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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (22 Viewers)

culdeus said:
Reddit comment I liked:

Paraphrasing.  - Jamie realized after giving the poison that the entire ####storm they are in right now was brought on by his Dad falsely accusing his son of murdering his son, likely with his knowledge.   

This opens up the possibility of a backstab of Dany by the imp among other things if he finds a way to share that info.
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Huh? Why would this info cause Tyrion to backstad Dany? Jaime never really thought Tyrion killed Joffrey.

 
encaitar said:
So I thought the episode was great.  Great TV that is.  The writing continuity is getting way out of wack though.  Last week Olenna was told to go home and raise her army and march them on King's Landing.  In the time that she made it to Highgarden and did nothing in the way of mobilizing her army, the enemy caught the Dornish, held a parade through the streets, had some more incestuous sex, mobilized their army and marched all the way to Highgarden.  Once there, they defeated a larger army that was defending a stronghold and the show played it off as "Well, your boys are tougher than ours."  If that was the case, then the Tyrells were never a threat to the Lannisters and the last 3 seasons of drama was bull####.

I realize that the show needs to have Cersei look powerful in order for there to continue to be drama, but at this point Euron could've taken over Westeros whenever he wanted with how powerful they're making him out to be.  Lannister's 10,000 men defeated the largest army in Westeros without trouble and Qyburn clearly schooling every Maester in history before him makes Cersei look as though she has more than a passing chance. It's almost like they're trying to portray her as the favorite,which is just absurd when we recall how afraid she was of the Tyrells less than a full season ago.
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There are massive inconsistencies with the show right now, and I think this is the cost of rushing through the final two seasons (not that I can disagree or criticize that decision because I've no idea what the reasons are for it or what is behind that decision.) After the first two episodes of the season, it looked like Cercei was SOL with no allies and strong enemies everywhere. She was essentially written off for purposes of discussions like this one and the only question was how she would die. But there's another whole season to go. She was always going to have a few victories before the fall. We're still wondering how she's going to die, but now the question now is how much damage she does on the way out and whether she'll still be around next summer when the final season starts.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
It's not a random tree and it's not the only tree we've seen like that. It's pretty important to the plot (that particular tree and the fact that they exist at all and why). Pretty stupid to criticize something if you're someone who knows he hasn't seen every episode and don't have the context.  Never mind the fact that we just saw that tree in the season finale last year, and many times before that. 
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:lmao:  amazing 

 
Tom Hagen said:
I believe last week Jaime told Randall Tarly he was the only man to defeat Robert Baratheon in battle and the Lords of the Reach would follow his lead.  He;s much more than a minor lord with a small hold.
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I was hoping they'd have a scene where Jamie says, "hey Randall, do you like my Valeryan steel sword? Its kind of small, but pretty cool right? Can I see yours now?"

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I don't think that was his point.

The Unsullied and Yara's fleet left at the same time.  The Unsullied were already closer to Casterly Rock than Euron's fleet, yet Euron's fleet apparently had time to intercept Yara's fleet, go back to King's Landing, have a parade, make some sex jokes, and then sail to Casterly Rock ahead of the Unsullied fleet (who had been sailing that way the whole time, from a closer starting point and without any detours) to lay the trap.
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And both times show up completely by surprise as if no scouts exists and nobody can look at the horizon.

 
Capella said:
:lmao:  amazing 
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I was a couple pages behind, didn't realize it had been beaten to death so much when I posted that. Sorry.

But my point stands that you didn't post "hey guys what's up with that tree I can't remember". You basically just ignored the fact that you know you haven't seen everything and said it was ridiculous or whatever anyways.

I'm not up in a nerd rage about it--its just a pet peeve of mine when people basically revel in their own ignorance about something they're discussing. Even that's overstating what you did here, it's just something I have a hard time ignoring. But I would have if I'd seen the rest of your posts. 

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
I was a couple pages behind, didn't realize it had been beaten to death so much when I posted that. Sorry.

But my point stands that you didn't post "hey guys what5s up with that tree I can't remember". You basicallu just ignored the fact that you know you haven't seen everything and said it was ridiculous or whatever anyways.

I'm not up in a nerd rage about it--its just a pet peeve of mine when people basically revel in their own ignorance about something they're discussing. Even that's overstating what you did here, it's just something I have a hard time ignoring. But I would have if I'd seen the rest of your posts. 
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This part doesn't make any sense. How am I supposed to know something didn't exist previously if it was my first time seeing it. 

 
beer 30 said:
So the armies of Dorne & Highgarden WERE on Yara's bhotes, interesting. That battle scene last week falls even flatter knowing that then.

Good stuff all the way around, Not a lot to the backstory of Euron IMO, see spoiler if interested. Dany needs to bust out the dragons ASAP. She was an air advantage over every army she would go up against except Esgaroth, better start using them before she is out of armies.

He spent his life sailing the word, seeing stuff, doing stuff and fighting stuff. I believe they even mention it as a throw away line when he first pops on the scene. He's a pirate doing pirate stuff
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Pretty sure neither army was on the boats. I'd be a little surprised if we heard from Dorne again though, because the show hasn't established any other characters who might bring their army north (unless Ellaria gets free somehow). 

 
culdeus said:
There were some additional really weak dialogue sections this week.  Sansa directing people to put leather on armor was cringeworthy, as was all the whole "we need food for mah bellyz" stuff.  :oldrolleyes:

Sansa as a whole had a really weak acting and dialogue episode.  I'm really starting to move her down into the Dormer tier of hot girls that can't really act their way through bad lines.  

Maybe it was because there were so many classic lines and deliveries this episode that made her look especially weak, not sure.
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HOW DARE YOU!!

 
thecatch said:
Pretty sure neither army was on the boats. I'd be a little surprised if we heard from Dorne again though, because the show hasn't established any other characters who might bring their army north (unless Ellaria gets free somehow). 
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Maybe a random new Sword of the Morning.

 
Capella said:
This part doesn't make any sense. How am I supposed to know something didn't exist previously if it was my first time seeing it. 
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I think watching a show like this my first reaction would be "that's kinda goofy to just come out of nowhere, I must have missed something". Rather than just assuming it doesn't make sense, since I know I haven't seen it all. But maybe I'm being too charitable with myself.

 
A few things:

The whole "I didn't see a real time scene of Euron sailing from here to there and back so this is bull#### and they might as well use a teleporter" needs to stop. His fleet took out the unsullied boats. But at no point in that scene did we see him. I'll have to rewatch the scene, but I'm not sure even his flagship was there. So for all we know, he could've been parading the Dorne queen down the street while his fleet took out the unsullied boats. He could've split his fleet the moment he left Kings Landing after proposing to Cersei. Half went and got Yara and the other half straight to Casterly Rock.

Sansa's acting/lines are bad? She is transforming from the naive little girl who likes pretty things into a leader. They summed that up well in two sentences in a shortened season. That's not bad writing. That's brilliant writing. 

Best episode of the season and it's not even close. 

Everyone is writing Dorne out of the show, but the queen is still alive and even more pissed than she was before. If she somehow escapes, that would be awesome. 

Also, I there is going to be a mess sorting out who gets what here. Cersei and Jamie have no more children. The Tyrell's have nobody left. There's no children left of the Dorne folks. Dany can't have kids. Who do they hand this stuff off to?

 
I'm surprised we didn't see or hear any mention of Arya in that episode. Is she still heading towards Cersei? Maybe changed her mind and will join up with Jon Snow?

 
eoMMan said:
I'm surprised we didn't see or hear any mention of Arya in that episode. Is she still heading towards Cersei? Maybe changed her mind and will join up with Jon Snow?
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In the second episode she was on her way to KL when she ran into Hot Pie. After doing her impression of the Hound, she found out that the Bolton's are dead and Jon Snow is king of the north. She turned around and headed north. She's likely still on the road. Covering 200 miles on horseback might take a few days. Too bad the many faced god doesn't have that teleporter that Varys and Jorah used. 

 
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eoMMan said:
I'm surprised we didn't see or hear any mention of Arya in that episode. Is she still heading towards Cersei? Maybe changed her mind and will join up with Jon Snow?
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I think we knew from her last episode, she is going to Winterfell. She came out of Hot Pie's place, thought about it, and headed North (where she then ran into her direwolf.)

 
TheFanatic said:
Everyone is writing Dorne out of the show, but the queen is still alive and even more pissed than she was before. If she somehow escapes, that would be awesome. 
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See, this right here is why Cersei will never be as good of a schemer as her father.  She lets emotion run her too much.  A truly wise ruler would've seen that they have the last two Dornish rulers in their dungeon and would've found a way to use that to bring Dorne into their fold.  I guarantee if Tywin was still alive, Ellaria would've been held captive to ensure Tyene's cooperation and Tyene would've been married off to Jaime in order to force Dorne to their side.

 
Game of Thrones has some of the most annoying fans I swear....Euron's ENTIRE fleet did not have to turn around for Kings Landing. It's totally believable that he captured Yara, and bolted for KL in his enormous ship, and let his remaining fleet continue on to Casterly Rock.

You guys need so much hand-holding it's ridiculous

 
Rick James said:
Game of Thrones has some of the most annoying fans I swear....Euron's ENTIRE fleet did not have to turn around for Kings Landing. It's totally believable that he captured Yara, and bolted for KL in his enormous ship, and let his remaining fleet continue on to Casterly Rock.

You guys need so much hand-holding it's ridiculous
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This

And now we have people saying where are Arya and the Hound? Why aren't we seeing them? Because nothing is happening while they travel north. 

 
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TheFanatic said:
A few things:

The whole "I didn't see a real time scene of Euron sailing from here to there and back so this is bull#### and they might as well use a teleporter" needs to stop. His fleet took out the unsullied boats. But at no point in that scene did we see him. I'll have to rewatch the scene, but I'm not sure even his flagship was there. So for all we know, he could've been parading the Dorne queen down the street while his fleet took out the unsullied boats. He could've split his fleet the moment he left Kings Landing after proposing to Cersei. Half went and got Yara and the other half straight to Casterly Rock.

Sansa's acting/lines are bad? She is transforming from the naive little girl who likes pretty things into a leader. They summed that up well in two sentences in a shortened season. That's not bad writing. That's brilliant writing. 

Best episode of the season and it's not even close. 

Everyone is writing Dorne out of the show, but the queen is still alive and even more pissed than she was before. If she somehow escapes, that would be awesome. 

Also, I there is going to be a mess sorting out who gets what here. Cersei and Jamie have no more children. The Tyrell's have nobody left. There's no children left of the Dorne folks. Dany can't have kids. Who do they hand this stuff off to?
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I don't think she is the queen of Dorne.

 
Rick James said:
Game of Thrones has some of the most annoying fans I swear....Euron's ENTIRE fleet did not have to turn around for Kings Landing. It's totally believable that he captured Yara, and bolted for KL in his enormous ship, and let his remaining fleet continue on to Casterly Rock.

You guys need so much hand-holding it's ridiculous
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Except there was a close-up of his own ship at Casterly Rock.  I highly doubt he switched ships to bring the Sand Snakes back to KL and let someone else take his personal ship without him.

It's TV magic.  We need this important character here now, so we'll ignore the fact that it's physically impossible for them to have made the trip here in this time.  Most of the time it doesn't matter to me because many weeks/months/years could've passed and there is no real timeline being followed, but this episode it was pretty obvious that the timing was impossible on both Euron's and the Lannister army's part, yet they were needed where they were so wala... TV magic.

 
Rick James said:
Game of Thrones has some of the most annoying fans I swear....Euron's ENTIRE fleet did not have to turn around for Kings Landing. It's totally believable that he captured Yara, and bolted for KL in his enormous ship, and let his remaining fleet continue on to Casterly Rock.

You guys need so much hand-holding it's ridiculous
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Plus the Iron Islands are close to Casterly Rock, and I am sure he would have a bunch of ships there too that could have gotten there quickly. 

 
Slapdash said:
And both times show up completely by surprise as if no scouts exists and nobody can look at the horizon.
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The lack of scouting for the unsullied doesn't surprise me, although the timing is off as I mentioned earlier.  But I agree about Yara...that was awful.

 
TheFanatic said:
Sansa's acting/lines are bad? She is transforming from the naive little girl who likes pretty things into a leader. They summed that up well in two sentences in a shortened season. That's not bad writing. That's brilliant writing.
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Yeah I don't get the complaints here, she's changed a lot and it's showing--and she's being in charge. 

Not to mention that her main adviser is a guy from the Vale--so not only not a Stark, but not even a Northerner--who wouldn't necessarily think about the logistics of storing grain in the North during a long winter, or coating the metal armor in leather due to the extreme cold. She grew up here, and she may have been a little prissy ##### as a girl but she picked some stuff up. And her Maester isn't the normal Winterfell guy either as he's dead, so he's not as experienced in these matters. She's rising to the moment and I thought it was cool to see. She's the Lady there and in charge.

Edit: They also are setting up and laying the groundwork for a badass last stand at Winterfell vs the White Walkers

 
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Did anyone else wonder if Jaime gave Olenna a fake poison to get her to feel free to talk and now he's going to drag her off to King's Landing for public torture?

 
encaitar said:
Except there was a close-up of his own ship at Casterly Rock.  I highly doubt he switched ships to bring the Sand Snakes back to KL and let someone else take his personal ship without him.

It's TV magic.  We need this important character here now, so we'll ignore the fact that it's physically impossible for them to have made the trip here in this time.  Most of the time it doesn't matter to me because many weeks/months/years could've passed and there is no real timeline being followed, but this episode it was pretty obvious that the timing was impossible on both Euron's and the Lannister army's part, yet they were needed where they were so wala... TV magic.
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I think there are some potential inconsistencies, sure. But I think people need to understand that there is more elapsed time between episodes in Season 7 than in the past. And often significant elapsed time between scenes in the same episode.

 
TheFanatic said:
In the second episode she was on her way to KL when she ran into Hot Pie. After doing her impression of the Hound, she found out that the Bolton's are dead and Jon Snow is king of the north. She turned around and headed north. She's likely still on the road. Covering 200 miles on horseback might take a few days. Too bad the many faced god doesn't have that teleporter that Varys and Jorah used. 
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I would of thought she could have gotten there by the time Jon sailed to Dragon stone, Bran made it from the wall to winterfell as a cripple, the king slayer make it to kill the queen, and the Greyjoy guy capturing the Dorne ladies but maybe she stopped to take a few naps along the way.

 
rascal said:
The lack of scouting for the unsullied doesn't surprise me, although the timing is off as I mentioned earlier.  But I agree about Yara...that was awful.
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Yeah.  It is just the combo of things.  Hopefully this is the last time we see this used as a save the day device for Cersi.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
I think there are some potential inconsistencies, sure. But I think people need to understand that there is more elapsed time between episodes in Season 7 than in the past. And often significant elapsed time between scenes in the same episode.
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Yeah I still don't really understand why everyone has a problem with this... we have no concept of time in between these episodes. It's not like you get a notification that says, "later that day...."

Just roll with it. 

 
TheFanatic said:
This

And now we have people saying where are Arya and the Hound? Why aren't we seeing them? Because nothing is happening while they travel north. 
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That was a great episode; thoroughly enjoyable for me from start to finish.  And I felt episodes 1 and 2 were both really good.

There could be a timing issue with Arya's/Jon's recent journeys.  In episode 2, Arya was at the Inn at the Crossroads and decided to head north to Winterfell.  In the same episode, Jon decided to leave Winterfell and head south to Dragonstone.  Assuming they travel by horse at the same speed, it should take Arya less time to get from the Inn to Winterfell then it would take Jon to get from Winterfell to Dragonstone.  But I guess that assumes they left at the same time, and the show didn't tell us when each character departs.  It doesn't matter.  Maybe Arya is going slow, or something happened to her.  Or not.  I'm fine with the writers deciding that episode 3 was too busy with other stories to include Arya's story.

Seeing the main characters sharing the same scenes is a great payoff after 6 years of watching, and I'm enjoying every minute of the show.

 
cashman88 said:
That was a great episode; thoroughly enjoyable for me from start to finish.  And I felt episodes 1 and 2 were both really good.

There could be a timing issue with Arya's/Jon's recent journeys.  In episode 2, Arya was at the Inn at the Crossroads and decided to head north to Winterfell.  In the same episode, Jon decided to leave Winterfell and head south to Dragonstone.  Assuming they travel by horse at the same speed, it should take Arya less time to get from the Inn to Winterfell then it would take Jon to get from Winterfell to Dragonstone.  But I guess that assumes they left at the same time, and the show didn't tell us when each character departs.  It doesn't matter.  Maybe Arya is going slow, or something happened to her.  Or not.  I'm fine with the writers deciding that episode 3 was too busy with other stories to include Arya's story.

Seeing the main characters sharing the same scenes is a great payoff after 6 years of watching, and I'm enjoying every minute of the show.
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Jon went by water. They showed them come ashore at Dragonstone to begin the episode.

 
eoMMan said:
I'm surprised we didn't see or hear any mention of Arya in that episode. Is she still heading towards Cersei? Maybe changed her mind and will join up with Jon Snow?
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When Sansa went to the gate, I thought it was going to be Arya. She can't be too far behind... although given how loose they're playing with timelines and travel, who knows.

 
cashman88 said:
That was a great episode; thoroughly enjoyable for me from start to finish.  And I felt episodes 1 and 2 were both really good.

There could be a timing issue with Arya's/Jon's recent journeys.  In episode 2, Arya was at the Inn at the Crossroads and decided to head north to Winterfell.  In the same episode, Jon decided to leave Winterfell and head south to Dragonstone.  Assuming they travel by horse at the same speed, it should take Arya less time to get from the Inn to Winterfell then it would take Jon to get from Winterfell to Dragonstone.  But I guess that assumes they left at the same time, and the show didn't tell us when each character departs.  It doesn't matter.  Maybe Arya is going slow, or something happened to her.  Or not.  I'm fine with the writers deciding that episode 3 was too busy with other stories to include Arya's story.

Seeing the main characters sharing the same scenes is a great payoff after 6 years of watching, and I'm enjoying every minute of the show.
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Train B will get there first.   :nerd:

 
One gripe about the last episode..... you are going to tell me that Olenna, one of the best at playing the Game of Thrones, was really going to let her fate go to the whims of Cercei? I fear that that let the character down. I can't see that she would wait to see "how will it end" when the decision would be made by someone she sees as being the incarnation of evil. Now, I understand it made for quite a great scene for her to banter with Jamie and then gulp down the wine before getting her last win in.... but I just don't see her allowing her final fate to be something she did not have control over. 

 
encaitar said:
When he poured the two glasses, this is what I really thought was going to happen. 
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It was more of a hope than a thought for me.  Definitely picked up on the lingering on the glasses and guessed they'd be used, but Jaime bringing poison makes sense.

 
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