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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

Chadstroma said:
One gripe about the last episode..... you are going to tell me that Olenna, one of the best at playing the Game of Thrones, was really going to let her fate go to the whims of Cercei? I fear that that let the character down. I can't see that she would wait to see "how will it end" when the decision would be made by someone she sees as being the incarnation of evil. Now, I understand it made for quite a great scene for her to banter with Jamie and then gulp down the wine before getting her last win in.... but I just don't see her allowing her final fate to be something she did not have control over. 
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Is it possible that the potion couldnt kill her or we have not seen her pull out the antidote yet or that Jamie didnt even give her poison?

 
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bigmarc27 said:
Yeah I still don't really understand why everyone has a problem with this... we have no concept of time in between these episodes. It's not like you get a notification that says, "later that day...."

Just roll with it. 
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The timeline doesn't bother me, but I'd be more forgiving if we were using that timeline to get some ####### white walker action.

 
Mavis said:
Is it possible that the potion couldnt kill her or we have not seen her pull out the antidote yet?
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She didn't know what poison it was. Jamie didn't even tell her when he gave it to her, just told her that it was painless. I don't think there is any room for that. 

 
Is there any explanation for why Cersei cares to repay the Iron Bank.  With the whole Seven Kingdoms at war, what leverage does the Iron Bank have anyway?  Does it have it's own army?

 
Mavis said:
Well you could fly by Dragon, but that wasnt his mode of transportation. 
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He seems to be fresh out of a Dragon. Maybe Dany will let him borrow one. Of course, that is the big fan favorite guess is that he will ride one and Tyrion will ride the other. 

 
Is there any explanation for why Cersei cares to repay the Iron Bank.  With the whole Seven Kingdoms at war, what leverage does the Iron Bank have anyway?  Does it have it's own army?

 
cashman88 said:
Is there any explanation for why Cersei cares to repay the Iron Bank.  With the whole Seven Kingdoms at war, what leverage does the Iron Bank have anyway?  Does it have it's own army?
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Because the Iron Bank is a power player. She needs to be able to borrow from them to pay for the war and she needs them to not back Dany. The Iron Bank is basically Citibank, BofA, Chase, HSBC, BNP Paribas, Mitsuibishi UFJ and the hand full of other big chineses banks all rolled into one. 

 
Chadstroma said:
She didn't know what poison it was. Jamie didn't even tell her when he gave it to her, just told her that it was painless. I don't think there is any room for that. 
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1) With how the timing in thhis season has been going, there is time for everything.

2) Maybe it wasnt a poison then, which is possible still, right? 

 
Mavis said:
1) With how the timing in thhis season has been going, there is time for everything.

2) Maybe it wasnt a poison then, which is possible still, right? 
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Don't see why. Jamie has no reason to see her alive. Even more so after she told him that she was the one to kill his son. I think you are going to need to let her go. Her time has come. 

 
NewlyRetired said:
so is this the last we see of Ellaria or will the "leaving her alive" hurt Cerci eventually?
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My thinking is that this episode was really all about making Cercei an equal power to Dany and no longer on the ropes about to be toppled over. Dany has lost her Westerosi allies and has taken out pretty much most, if not all, Dany's naval forces. 

Cercei will now be able to have Highgarden taken over by Tarly and back her again. Maybe bring Dorne as a puppet as well or just keep them off the board. 

Either way- the table has been made even now and now just a question of how Dany steamrolls Cercei. That, I think is the point, Ellaria- my guess, won't be a factor moving forward. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
So these events will make Dany...

A: Become the Dragon and go scorched earth.

B: Learn some humility and get off of her "bend the knee" kick. 

C: Continue on and have a short stay in Westeros. 
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Yeah she annoyed me this episode.  She got where she is by treating others with respect and here comes Jon Snow, who everybody has told her is great, and she immediately demands allegiance as if she was Donald Trump or something.  Then she ignores the Whitewalker warning.  I really wanted Snow to just like quickly drop to a knee then demand she get on to important things. 

 
I know there is a lot of talk here about the lack of time line information in the episodes and this is true.

The only nugget they built into the show last night was Cerci telling Mycroft from the Iron Bank that if he waited a fortnight, she would be able to pay her debt in full so I guess we can assume that it was roughly that time period from that meeting until Jamie returned with the money from High Garden.

 
cashman88 said:
Is there any explanation for why Cersei cares to repay the Iron Bank.  With the whole Seven Kingdoms at war, what leverage does the Iron Bank have anyway?  Does it have it's own army?
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"Wars are won with gold."  

The Lannister gold mines are empty.  She needs financial backing.  Like we experience in real life, when you pay back loans your credit limits go up. :shrug:

 
shadyridr said:
Its impossible to keep track of everything.
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:bigredx:

If you don't have a shared "People, Places and Politics" Google Sheets going with accompanying reddit, westeros.org and towerofthehand discussions pulled up in parallel why are you even bothering watching?

I bet you don't even pause the show and cross reference the book series and World/History of Ice and Fire at the end of each scene.

 
NewlyRetired said:
I know there is a lot of talk here about the lack of time line information in the episodes and this is true.

The only nugget they built into the show last night was Cerci telling Mycroft from the Iron Bank that if he waited a fortnight, she would be able to pay her debt in full so I guess we can assume that it was roughly that time period from that meeting until Jamie returned with the money from High Garden.
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Or at least a raven saying "Highgarden is awesome, wish you were here". I am not sure if the paying back meant actually paying back right then or showing the ability to pay back. They have made it clear the debt is like our National Debt. It is not like we could invade China tomorrow and then be back in a week with our National Debt paid off. 

 
In seriousness i don't have problem keeping track of things... but then again I'm a relentless nerd that gets stoked for things like new Pokemon titles.

 
Sabertooth said:
No kidding.  Not everybody is Ramsay Bolton.  That wouldn't go well with Jaime's redemption arc.  
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Jaime isn't really an evil person. He just fell helplessly in love with a truly horrible woman. It happens.

The fact it was his twin sister is a little gross, sure. But he is actually ashamed by it, as they showed last night.

 
I think a big thing about book folk being complainers is that now they are without their source material after watching what had been a fantastic adaptation.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Seeing that these are still very savage times, what stops an army from taking over the Iron Bank for themselves?
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The Iron Bank is in Braavos, so you'd have to bring your army across by ship.  They have the money to buy every sell sword company on the continent and would have zero trouble boosting their army to 100K plus.  Good luck finding 5,000 ships to bring an army across the sea to match that.  Not to mention that Braavos is also home to the Faceless Men, so while you're trying to topple the Iron Bank one or more of your "loyal servants" will be soon putting a blade in your back or poison in your cup.

 
Yeah I was way wrong.  

After the first episode I had a plan in my head how Dany and Tyrion were going to wage the war, and the central part of my plan was to pretend to be attacking one place but instead going after Casterly Rock because Cersei would have to defend it.  So when Tyrion came up with that plan I was all, yup, I'd do it too.  I drink and I know things.

It never occurred to me that Cersei would be abandon Casterly Rock.  And in hindsight it makes perfectly evil sense.  Dang.  I don't like that Tyrion is getting outsmarted just because I don't want something bad to happen to him.  Be a shame to lose the character.

 
The burning question (pun intended) that needed to be asked in that episode: <Jaime> "Cersei, are you sure you wiped all that poison off of your lips?" </Jaime>

 
TheFanatic said:
Who's complaining?
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Any of those upset we don't see the ins and outs of travel along the continent. Before D&D took it past the books, readers could fill in the gaps. I'm saying the adaptation was so good before that it makes the viewers "needing their hands held" miss those little snippets and details, because they are still capturing the essence of GRRM's story.

 
Chadstroma said:
One gripe about the last episode..... you are going to tell me that Olenna, one of the best at playing the Game of Thrones, was really going to let her fate go to the whims of Cercei? I fear that that let the character down. I can't see that she would wait to see "how will it end" when the decision would be made by someone she sees as being the incarnation of evil. Now, I understand it made for quite a great scene for her to banter with Jamie and then gulp down the wine before getting her last win in.... but I just don't see her allowing her final fate to be something she did not have control over. 
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I also thought she would have a better feel for her own bannermen's loyalties as such a high level player. Seems like she had no idea she'd get very little internal support for taking Dany's side. 

 
thecatch said:
I also thought she would have a better feel for her own bannermen's loyalties as such a high level player. Seems like she had no idea she'd get very little internal support for taking Dany's side. 
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JMHO - I thought they made it pretty clear that she was just gunning for revenge at this point against Cersei.  Her house's future was dead and she had no one to leave it to.

 
encaitar said:
Once there, they defeated a larger army that was defending a stronghold and the show played it off as "Well, your boys are tougher than ours."  If that was the case, then the Tyrells were never a threat to the Lannisters and the last 3 seasons of drama was bull####.
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Well, they were the knights of summer.

 
NewlyRetired said:
so is this the last we see of Ellaria or will the "leaving her alive" hurt Cerci eventually?
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That scene had a James Bond feel, where the villain doesn't simply kill Bond, but leaves him in some contraption that will certainly seal his fate in gruesome fashion. But of course Bond always escapes. It seems highly likely its not the last we'll see of her.

 
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