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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (6 Viewers)

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Well you would lose the knights of the vale possibly....but big picture....all his machinations are just noise...im surprised he is hanging out to fight the white walkers.....
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Nah.  Sansa would go show her cleavage to Robyn and they'd stay right where they are. 

 
ScottNorwood said:
You guys want Bronn to die there?  #### no.  He can very believably switch sides at the end of the battle.

Jamie could've died there - not sure there's much left for him to do.  I guess we can expect him to turn on Cersei if she goes "mad queen" at some point but it's not really that interesting.
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Yeah, I don't think there's any way Bronn dies before meeting back up with Tyrion.  Has to happen. 

 
The thread is moving too fast for me to follow here at work, but I thought the show last night did a great job of creating some internal conflict. As the producers noted, its the first big battle we've had where there are major characters on either side, going head to head. When Jamie was charging toward Dany, with Tyrion's mumbling voiceover "you ####ing idiot", I'm not sure what I was hoping for or fearing. I guess I was confident Dany would not die, there's no way he's going to kill the dragon, so in hindsight the only question was whether or not Jamie would survive.  I know many feel otherwise, but my first reaction was that he's dead. Reading the comments, I guess its at least 50/50 he'll be pulled from the water, but going to bed last night I was certain he's gone.

My other reaction to some of the comments here is that I would not count Littlefinger out. I think there's a very good chance he'll be there at the end. He does still control the largest army in the West, and he's presented as being very smart, master at playing all angles.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Not many, but she was talking to the banker about the Gold Troops, or whatever they are called.  However...

1.  Some people don't think the gold reached home

2.  Even if it did, they might not be so willing to back her after this epic loss.  They could take their gold they are owed and leave her as is. 
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Well first of all, I don't think Mycroft is taking anything.  Unless he brought the Gold Company (and more) with him to King's Landing.

In the spirit of who's mowing the lawns, I don't really understand the finance here.  Unless Cersei has gold to pay off the Iron Bank and fund a war, why go through the trouble of refinancing?  Why not use some of the gold to make the interest payments and the bulk of it to finance your war? 

Guess it's just a plot point so I don't even though the gold purportedly made it into King's Landing, that we're done with the IB just yet.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Yeah, I don't think there's any way Bronn dies before meeting back up with Tyrion.  Has to happen. 
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I was real surprised they didn't show us a shot of Tyrion seeing Bronn during the battle. Once he showed up to watch I figured he'd see Jamie (which he did) but I'm surprised they didn't give him a shot of seeing Bronn. That would've really drove home how conflicted he was.

 
bigmarc27 said:
So Jamie's dead, right?  Everyone feel that is a pretty safe assumption?
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No way, bet the house moment, that Jamie is dead. Write it down, he'll be back, probably as a prisoner but he ain't dead and neither is Bronn.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
The thread is moving too fast for me to follow here at work, but I thought the show last night did a great job of creating some internal conflict. As the producers noted, its the first big battle we've had where there are major characters on either side, going head to head. When Jamie was charging toward Dany, with Tyrion's mumbling voiceover "you ####ing idiot", I'm not sure what I was hoping for or fearing. I guess I was confident Dany would not die, there's no way he's going to kill the dragon, so in hindsight the only question was whether or not Jamie would survive.  I know many feel otherwise, but my first reaction was that he's dead. Reading the comments, I guess its at least 50/50 he'll be pulled from the water, but going to bed last night I was certain he's gone.

My other reaction to some of the comments here is that I would not count Littlefinger out. I think there's a very good chance he'll be there at the end. He does still control the largest army in the West, and he's presented as being very smart, master at playing all angles.
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I wouldn't count Little Finger out either but we know big characters are going to die and he seems a likely pick. He's almost completely surrounded by enemies now and will be even more when Jon returns. 

 
eoMMan said:
Stop. Nothing wrong with pointing out some flaws in the show or simply things you didn't like or agree with.
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I was begging him to continue.

I was dead serious when I said it was my favorite thing going in here.

 
kupcho1 said:
Well first of all, I don't think Mycroft is taking anything.  Unless he brought the Gold Company (and more) with him to King's Landing.

In the spirit of who's mowing the lawns, I don't really understand the finance here.  Unless Cersei has gold to pay off the Iron Bank and fund a war, why go through the trouble of refinancing?  Why not use some of the gold to make the interest payments and the bulk of it to finance your war? 

Guess it's just a plot point so I don't even though the gold purportedly made it into King's Landing, that we're done with the IB just yet.
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She needs money and doesn't have any more. The only way to borrow more was to pay off the debt. 

 
No chance Jamie is dead. Zero. The last 4 years have been one huge redemption arc and he's not there yet. Killing him now before he can tell cersei about olleyna poisoning joffrey makes no sense.

 
bigmarc27 said:
So Jamie's dead, right?  Everyone feel that is a pretty safe assumption?
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I don't think so.  If they were going to kill him off, they would have been clear about it (not, he's just mostly dead).  A death of his bearing would be at the end of the episode with dramatic music (maybe not). To start the next episode with Jaime doing "glug-glug" is kind of anticlimactic.

 
No chance Jaime is dead. Zero. I'm not sure how he survives, and what his role going forward will be, but he is too important to have a lame drowning death like that

 
TLEF316 said:
No chance Jamie is dead. Zero. The last 4 years have been one huge redemption arc and he's not there yet. Killing him now before he can tell cersei about olleyna poisoning joffrey makes no sense.
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Plus Cersei is going to be killed by one of her brothers if the prophecy holds (and it's been 100% on point so far). Sure it could be Arya faceshifting but still makes sense for it to be either Jamie or Tyrion. I'm still going with Jamie doing it to save Tyrion from Cersei.  

 
Jamie is a major character.  That'd be disappointing if that were his death scene.  Dying Rickon got more screen time.  

I think Jamie and Bronn get captured, which means: (1) Bronn and Tyrion are reunited for some good dialogue, and (2) the conflict for Tyrion becomes a major plot device.  

 
kentric said:
I don't think so.  If they were going to kill him off, they would have been clear about it (not, he's just mostly dead).  A death of his bearing would be at the end of the episode with dramatic music (maybe not). To start the next episode with Jaime doing "glug-glug" is kind of anticlimactic.
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Not saying you're wrong, but it was at the end of an episode and it did have dramatic music.  They've cleared alluded to not wearing armor in naval battles because you'll sink. 

I can see the case case for him to be alive, he would need some pretty quick intervention, though. 

 
The Indestructible said:
Jamie is a major character.  That'd be disappointing if that were his death scene.  Dying Rickon got more screen time.  

I think Jamie and Bronn get captured, which means: (1) Bronn and Tyrion are reunited for some good dialogue, and (2) the conflict for Tyrion becomes a major plot device.  
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This feels very much the way things are headed and what better way to bring that out in full force than for Dany to take Jamie prisoner. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
Not saying you're wrong, but it was at the end of an episode and it did have dramatic music.  They've cleared alluded to not wearing armor in naval battles because you'll sink. 

I can see the case case for him to be alive, he would need some pretty quick intervention, though. 
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It is true that he was looking pretty lifeless when he was going down in the water, but if you're going to kill off a major character like Jaime, subtlety isn't warranted (unless you're talking TWD where they like to be obfuscate everything).

 
Frostillicus said:
I've never seen Justified.  Are we putting it in that tier of TV shows now?  Because that's interesting.
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I greatly enjoyed it. 

It isn't quite on the level of Breaking Bad or the Wire, but it is an extremely solid show with great characters.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Is the dragon dead?

2 dragons left? 
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Last we saw of the Dragon was that it recovered from its death spiral, raised up to flame the ballista, and then settled down in the water to have Dany try and take the arrow out, when Jamie charged it raised its head to protect her.

I would assume just injured until we know more

 
Great episode.

I think Jamie is dead. They showed it. I don't think the series has done the 'he jumped out of the car before it went off the cliff' type of thing yet. Hound was closest but every other time a death is shown, it's done.

I also think Dragon number 1 is dead. Anti-aircraft thing did it's job. 3 dragons vs. undead is too easy. All sides keep taking their lumps.

Nice job of Dothraki hoard using the teleporter to somehow get west of King's Landing unnoticed, and at the same time the first-priority gold arrives. Surprised the geography and timing not complained about yet. 

Even if not the best battle of the series since it shared the episode, it was totally edge of seat and I loved not knowing what was going to happen or who was going to bite it.

 
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TLEF316 said:
No chance Jamie is dead. Zero. The last 4 years have been one huge redemption arc and he's not there yet. Killing him now before he can tell cersei about olleyna poisoning joffrey makes no sense.
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But those kind of curveballs are what really made this show great, right?

The story of a boy who was out for vengeance against a corrupt king that wrongly executed his father.  A boy who became king of the North, who built his forces and marched south for one last great batt.....Oh wait nevermind, he dead.

Some of the big plot points have become kind of predictable lately.  Everyone knew Jon Snow was going to get resurrected.  Everyone knew the Knights of the Vale were going to ride in at the last minute to save the day at BotB.  It would have been a neat little twist and in the show's character to guide Jamie towards redemption and the overwhelming prediction that he's going to kill Cersei, only to cut it short.

But yes, I agree, in the current show there is little chance Jamie is dead.  He will likely escape from the water off screen and continue down his path of redemption which ends with him killing Mad Queen Cersei, which will come as a complete shock to all the Noonan's out there that watch the show while playing Words With Friends.

 
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If Jaime was to die he would have gotten torched by the dragon. Make sno sense for him to be saved only to die in the water.

 
MikeMan said:
I also think Dragon number 1 is dead. Anti-aircraft thing did it's job. 
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The arrow would have struck its underside if it was to die IMO.  

"arrow/bullet" in the shoulder is a tried and true method to injure, not kill in stories.  The likelihood of that arrow striking a vital organ is pretty low IMO.

Unless the arrow was poisoned but I don't remember any indication of that.

 
You guys miss the part where Jamie was looking down at the guy sinking to the bottom?  It looked like Bronn saved Jamie and is seen sinking.  If they were going to kill off Jamie there they wouldn't have dove in the water, they would have had him just go up in dragon flames.

Also, dragon not dead, was just used to show they have a weapon that make them vulnerable.  

 
the moops said:
If Jaime was to die he would have gotten torched by the dragon. Make sno sense for him to be saved only to die in the water.
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Exactly.

And LOL at Drogon being dead. He basically got winged and was pretty clearly ok once he recovered from the initial shock and landed. Only chance that contraption takes him out is a head shot.

They might kill one of the other 2 dragons at some point, but not that one.

 
There's no way Jamie is dead.  It's like the Glenn scene/situation from The Walking Dead.  First scene next week it'll be obvious the situations isn't as dire. 

 
TLEF316 said:
Exactly.

And LOL at Drogon being dead. He basically got winged and was pretty clearly ok once he recovered from the initial shock and landed. Only chance that contraption takes him out is a head shot.

They might kill one of the other 2 dragons at some point, but not that one.
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Yeah I wish she had brought one of the other two dragons.  I was never worried for Drogon or thought the spear thing may work because no way they kill off the main dragon this early. One of the other two though and I could have seen a death...

 
FreeBaGeL said:
But those kind of curveballs are what really made this show great, right?

The story of a boy who was out for vengeance against a corrupt king that wrongly executed his father.  A boy who became king of the North, who built his forces and marched south for one last great batt.....Oh wait nevermind, he dead.

Some of the big plot points have become kind of predictable lately.  Everyone knew Jon Snow was going to get resurrected.  Everyone knew the Knights of the Vale were going to ride in at the last minute to save the day at BotB.  It would have been a neat little twist and in the show's character to guide Jamie towards redemption and the overwhelming prediction that he's going to kill Cersei, only to cut it short.

But yes, I agree, in the current show there is little chance Jamie is dead.  He will likely escape from the water off screen and continue down his path of redemption which ends with him killing Mad Queen Cersei, which will come as a complete shock to all the Noonan's out there that watch the show while playing Words With Friends.
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I honestly didn't know these things. 

 
kentric said:
Still not sure why she would do this.  One of the things they needed was the food/resources in those wagons.  To burn so many to the ground seemed counterintuitive.  It would be a minor cleanup for the Dothraki to take out the wagon guards.
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It cut off the Lannisters' escape route and generally induced panic. I get what you guys are saying about burning the food but obliterating the Lannister army is really the primary objective. 

 
Plus, how would she know that those wagons were filled with food? Plus, ya know, she's flying on a freaking dragon, so she doesn't exactly have time to pick out her targets with laser focus.

 
thecatch said:
I get what you guys are saying about burning the food but obliterating the Lannister army is really the primary objective. 
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While Dany probably did not know this, they did make it abundantly clear during the dialogue that this was just the last few remaining soldiers that were lagging behind.  It was far from the full forces.  

 
Why do some people pronounce Aya and others Arya, while others say Sansa or Salsa?

Is it just an accent thing?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 
Zow said:
Yeah I wish she had brought one of the other two dragons.  I was never worried for Drogon or thought the spear thing may work because no way they kill off the main dragon this early. One of the other two though and I could have seen a death...
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Has Dany ever been shown to ride either of the other 2 dragons?  I can't remember.

 
Zow said:
Yeah I wish she had brought one of the other two dragons.  I was never worried for Drogon or thought the spear thing may work because no way they kill off the main dragon this early. One of the other two though and I could have seen a death...
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The first time the other two dragons fly into battle against Cerci, they may as well be wearing red star trek shirts. Most tv viewers probably don't even know their names.

 
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