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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)
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skol asylum
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Actually, I believe that was Wolf Blitzer with the cameo.Maik Jeaunz said:
skol asylum
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Pretty sure Cersei's fate is sealed. Either Jamie, Arya, or childbirth does her in.Socrates11 said:
Mario Kart
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Sweet J
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I'll give a prediction I don't think anyone else gave yet:
Jamie has spent 7 looooong seasons having to take crap for being a Kingslayer. And him trying to overcome the shame and dishonor of it (even though it's not clear he wouldn't do it again). EVERYONE gives him crap for it. And he's trying desperately to show the world that he is more than that. Soooooooooo . . . . it's only natural that . . .
When Khalisi FINALLY makes it to the iron throne, and finally fulfills her destiny to go a little crazy and become the Mad Queen (tm), and threatens to kill/burn her subjects, Jamie is the only one left with the courage/conviction to stick a sword in her, thereby fulfilling HIS destiny of forever being a misunderstood kingslayer/queenslayer.
To me, that would be classic George Martin tragic/dark story. I would love to see it. Probably won't happen. But would be perfect end of both of their story arcs.
Jamie has spent 7 looooong seasons having to take crap for being a Kingslayer. And him trying to overcome the shame and dishonor of it (even though it's not clear he wouldn't do it again). EVERYONE gives him crap for it. And he's trying desperately to show the world that he is more than that. Soooooooooo . . . . it's only natural that . . .
When Khalisi FINALLY makes it to the iron throne, and finally fulfills her destiny to go a little crazy and become the Mad Queen (tm), and threatens to kill/burn her subjects, Jamie is the only one left with the courage/conviction to stick a sword in her, thereby fulfilling HIS destiny of forever being a misunderstood kingslayer/queenslayer.
To me, that would be classic George Martin tragic/dark story. I would love to see it. Probably won't happen. But would be perfect end of both of their story arcs.
Nathan R. Jessep
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hagmania
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culdeus
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I tried to be vague to keep any perceived spoilers out.
There are certain things you can guess centered around the large format shooting. One of them would be a lack of large battle scenes after this one.
Short of a second large night battle I guess.
So it's this and three long episodes of character drama that has as much run time as really 4 episodes.
That limits any thought of an army of dead or living marching on KL. Could be CGI based around dragons and iron fleet etc. But no large format battle.
Short of a second large night battle I guess.
So it's this and three long episodes of character drama that has as much run time as really 4 episodes.
That limits any thought of an army of dead or living marching on KL. Could be CGI based around dragons and iron fleet etc. But no large format battle.
Moe.
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That's quite the false dichotomy there professor. You were complaining about people who were uncomfortable with seeing her real (maybe?) boobs compared to seeing her character fake kill people, like that's some sort of deep social commentary. Yes, we all know America has weird hang-ups about sex and stuff - doesn't apply here is all I'm saying. Let's move on.
jplvr
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Looked at the director listings for the final episodes on Wiki. I don’t think the battle at Winterfell will last two episodes as some were suggesting.
Nutter directed the first two. Sapochnik will direct the next. Nutter is listed for Ep 4, and then Sapochnik does the 5th. Show runners direct the finale. So I expect: Battle of Winterfell, Plot Movement, Battle at Kings Landing, and then the story wrap up.
I also now expect the NK to die next week.
I also now expect the NK to die next week.
matuski
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Capella
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sn0mm1s
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Thought the episode was good. Though, as I have felt for a long time, the writers seem to miss key things and/or add tension/drama where it shouldn't exist.
For instance:
Brienne knows why Jaime killed the Mad King, as does Tyrion, as does Jaime (obviously), as does Bran - but no one seems to bring up that Jaime killed the Mad King to save the entire population of King's Landing. Similarly no one, like Jorah, her blood riders, Bran, Varys, Jaime (who presumably knows how Viserys was killed) bring up the fact she let her mad, cruel, brother - her true king - get killed for much, much less without uttering a peep.
I am not a fan of deus ex machina - but Bran's knowledge/power/character is severely under used. You telling me he can't warg into some ravens to give some timing, locations, and numbers of wights and White Walkers? The best place for an all seeing 3-eyed raven is to sit as bait for NK and an zombie dragon with a cripple protecting him? It Theon/Reek really an upgrade from Hodor? At the same time, his best choice of action is to cause *legitimate* tension between Jon, Dany, and Sam with the Aegon Targaryen reveal?
Timing of travelling is getting a little ridiculous on all counts. Theon, Tormund, etc. etc. must have learned the ancient art of teleporting.
This Sansa/Dany tension is as contrived as the Sansa/Arya tension of last season.
Children of the Forest all gone? Every last one? Warging by Jon, Bran, and Arya no longer a thing?
Plenty of other nits to pick but overall, I think they are doing justice to the fans of the show and the story. Hoping GRRM can do the same for the books.
For instance:
Brienne knows why Jaime killed the Mad King, as does Tyrion, as does Jaime (obviously), as does Bran - but no one seems to bring up that Jaime killed the Mad King to save the entire population of King's Landing. Similarly no one, like Jorah, her blood riders, Bran, Varys, Jaime (who presumably knows how Viserys was killed) bring up the fact she let her mad, cruel, brother - her true king - get killed for much, much less without uttering a peep.
I am not a fan of deus ex machina - but Bran's knowledge/power/character is severely under used. You telling me he can't warg into some ravens to give some timing, locations, and numbers of wights and White Walkers? The best place for an all seeing 3-eyed raven is to sit as bait for NK and an zombie dragon with a cripple protecting him? It Theon/Reek really an upgrade from Hodor? At the same time, his best choice of action is to cause *legitimate* tension between Jon, Dany, and Sam with the Aegon Targaryen reveal?
Timing of travelling is getting a little ridiculous on all counts. Theon, Tormund, etc. etc. must have learned the ancient art of teleporting.
This Sansa/Dany tension is as contrived as the Sansa/Arya tension of last season.
Children of the Forest all gone? Every last one? Warging by Jon, Bran, and Arya no longer a thing?
Plenty of other nits to pick but overall, I think they are doing justice to the fans of the show and the story. Hoping GRRM can do the same for the books.
McJose
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McJose
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Bob Sacamano
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Bob Sacamano
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I was waiting for Jaime to suggest The Rains of Castamere.
Any battle after the Great War would be a letdown in my opinion.
However, we do have Euron and Golden Company to resolve, so my guess is they join in the fight next week, Knight of Vale style.
Can the killed people rise IMMEDIATELY? So, we can have a dead Davos fighting against a live Jorah, for example.
Gone next week, imho: Theon, Davos, Beric, Grey Worm are most confident. Guessing Gilly and Sam Jr from crypts.
Loved the episode yesterday.
Did NOT like the shortcut of having someone walk in at the perfect moment to interrupt the conversation. Dany/Sansa - what would Dany have said next? Dany/Jon - what would Jon have said next. Both conversations interrupted seems weak.
Other than that, I just love the different scenarios of how one would spend what they believe to be their last night. Some would sit around and reminisce, get drunk, make out, sit alone, etc...
However, we do have Euron and Golden Company to resolve, so my guess is they join in the fight next week, Knight of Vale style.
Can the killed people rise IMMEDIATELY? So, we can have a dead Davos fighting against a live Jorah, for example.
Gone next week, imho: Theon, Davos, Beric, Grey Worm are most confident. Guessing Gilly and Sam Jr from crypts.
Loved the episode yesterday.
Did NOT like the shortcut of having someone walk in at the perfect moment to interrupt the conversation. Dany/Sansa - what would Dany have said next? Dany/Jon - what would Jon have said next. Both conversations interrupted seems weak.
Other than that, I just love the different scenarios of how one would spend what they believe to be their last night. Some would sit around and reminisce, get drunk, make out, sit alone, etc...
Socrates11
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I can't see Bronn killing Jaimie or Tyrian. Every time he's had a chance to sell everyone out and take off, he comes back and does the right thing for the Lannister brothers. I see him setting up the shot to kill Jaimie an/or Tyrian, having a crisis of conscience, then pulling the trigger only to see he's shot someone that was about to take Jaimie or Tyrian out, then making some quip 'looks like I'm right fooked now'.
If Bronn kills either one of them I'll be severely disappointed.
need2know
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Bob Sacamano
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badmojo1006
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Interesting that some of behind the scenes (Director for example) worked episode 1,2,4. David Nutter is a good director, wonder why he didn't direct episode 3.
Bob Sacamano
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Meh. He just has to see if people like the show's ending before he finalizes his own.
sn0mm1s
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The NW oath is broken upon death. There is no oath for claiming the throne. They aren't the same thing.
jplvr
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Sapochnik is the battle director. Battle of the Bastards. Battle of Winterfell. Also director of Episode 5 this season.
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culdeus
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Well you have a few flavors of posters here putting forward theories that follow the more hardcore fan sites, those that are using book knowledge, and those parroting back stuff off reddit/youtube without citing it. The fan sites for whatever we are calling last season (7.0?) were pretty good at calling it.
It's been posted here at least a handful of times that there is only one large format battle this season. If they managed to sneak another one in it would be CGI assisted heavily.
I haven't been reading the super hard core fan sites, but I watch reddit and the youtubes that leverage book knowledge at a minimum. You just don't know if those guys are leaning on insider stuff also to build their subscriber base.
It's been posted here at least a handful of times that there is only one large format battle this season. If they managed to sneak another one in it would be CGI assisted heavily.
I haven't been reading the super hard core fan sites, but I watch reddit and the youtubes that leverage book knowledge at a minimum. You just don't know if those guys are leaning on insider stuff also to build their subscriber base.
need2know
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Socrates11
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Dany and Sansa survive, team up to go kill Cersei. Episode name - Battle of the (rhymes with itches)
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Redwes25
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I don't think they ever focused on Jon and Arya being able to Warg on the show like they have in the books.
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Bobcat10
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Will be too much going on if the Dead survive the Great Battle and head further South (unless the NK is the big winner of Season 8, just don't see that though). And it wouldn't be a Great Battle if someone doesn't win outright. I think the NK falls and that story ends (at great cost for the survivors).
Theon is going out Oberyn styles at the hands of the NK, probably after Theon shoves some dragon glass into the NK (which does nothing). Cue in Jon flying in on Rhaegal with the weapon the Red Woman will give him. Arya spears the Ice Dragon as it's zeroing in on Jon during his 1:1 battle with NK. Lots of little things happening in between (Beric and others, who will end up dying, will take down some WW which helps the forces fighting the wights as they begin to disappear, etc). No idea how Bran plays into this, which obviously is the missing piece to my simple high level puzzle, so I'm just going to say he sits around and observes it all with Theon guts dripping from his brow.
Theon is going out Oberyn styles at the hands of the NK, probably after Theon shoves some dragon glass into the NK (which does nothing). Cue in Jon flying in on Rhaegal with the weapon the Red Woman will give him. Arya spears the Ice Dragon as it's zeroing in on Jon during his 1:1 battle with NK. Lots of little things happening in between (Beric and others, who will end up dying, will take down some WW which helps the forces fighting the wights as they begin to disappear, etc). No idea how Bran plays into this, which obviously is the missing piece to my simple high level puzzle, so I'm just going to say he sits around and observes it all with Theon guts dripping from his brow.
Sweet J
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I'm assuming there is some sort of specialty to directing huge battle scenes. Special effects and all that.
Capella
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Pigskin Fanatic
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dhockster said:
noticed NK wasn't there on the last scene of the episode. noticed NK nor the dead dragon was shown in any of the previews for next week. NK has a specific target, a lot was said in last night's episode that implied the target would be Bran. But is it though? I refuse to believe this is all of a sudden lazy writing for such an epic show.
culdeus
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Maybe Lord Umber killed the NK and the remaining WW tacked him up to the wall in revenge.
I was not a fan of the episode overall - but you had to have a show where you get all the pieces in place for the big battle.
General observations:
Daenerys seemed to be very demure this episode - that seemed out of character for her - even allowing for her shaky standing in the North. Sansa essentially proved to be much more aggressive, both in the great hall with Jamie (and also Theon coming in to say he was there for Sansa), but also in the private conversation with Daenerys. Daenerys has never been meek or played second fiddle to anyone - so it seemed out of place.
Jon/Aegon - ever since we met him he has always been a reluctant leader. Seems a little out of character for him to not immediately tell Daenerys that he wanted no part of the iron throne or ruling the seven kingdoms. I get that he is just finding out who he really is - and a little bit about his parents - but still struck me as odd.
General observations:
Daenerys seemed to be very demure this episode - that seemed out of character for her - even allowing for her shaky standing in the North. Sansa essentially proved to be much more aggressive, both in the great hall with Jamie (and also Theon coming in to say he was there for Sansa), but also in the private conversation with Daenerys. Daenerys has never been meek or played second fiddle to anyone - so it seemed out of place.
Jon/Aegon - ever since we met him he has always been a reluctant leader. Seems a little out of character for him to not immediately tell Daenerys that he wanted no part of the iron throne or ruling the seven kingdoms. I get that he is just finding out who he really is - and a little bit about his parents - but still struck me as odd.
