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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (4 Viewers)

The Dude said:
I think the last scene will be - a person or small group of people discussing overthrowing the new king/queen.
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This group of writers really likes to do the call back... I can see them ending it with a similar scene to how it started....up north, white walkers, fin

 
Hard to see Dany surviving til the end. Without Jon wanting the thrones, it becomes a puzzle to me. Some have stated they see a Roman-like senate with Tyrion leading the counsel. Cersei likely dies by Arya's hands (perhaps with Jamie's face?). The Hound defeats The Mountain...I hope.

Somehow it wouldn't surprise me to see Sansa on the Throne (unless they do away with that, to some degree). Maybe Jon inherits the Throne by demand and then heads beyond the old wall and puts Sansa in charge until he returns (which is never)?

Yara seems obvious to come into play with her troops to kill Euron. Perhaps Tormund and the Wildlings come back to help as well.

Samwell somehow becomes the Grand Maester over all. I agree with some others that I don't think the last dragon survives until the end.

And that's the end, for right now, of my likely worthless predictions.

 
MikeMan said:
And the unbelievable level of scrutiny is mind-boggling, acting like show was so much better before off GRRMs script. Uh. No. You could nitpick all the old seasons as well. Why would Olenna put the poison in Sansa's necklace? So many better options to ensure Joff drinks it! Stannis sailed ALL his boats into one harbor?! Endless examples could be given.....  Why would Ned tell Cersei he's going to rat her out?! He'd tell his best friend first! People make mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20. Real life commanders didn't have perfect battle strategies either. 
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Really?  You honestly think that the writing is as good now as it was in the first 3-4 seasons?  That's actually a thing?  

Olenna didn't want anyone to finger her for the poisoning.  So, why carry the poison on her in case she was searched?  Pretty smart thinking, especially since they showed her sucking up to Sansa earlier(OMG foreshadowing?) to get her to wear the necklace.

Stannis didn't sail all of his boats into the harbor.  If he had, he wouldn't have escaped.  But, he was attacking a fortified position(the walls of King's Landing).  If he didn't bring most of his army there, he'd have had no chance.  As it was, he still would've won the day if Tywin and the Tyrells hadn't showed up at the right time(this is called a believable plot twist).  No idea how anyone can nitpick this.

The show literally spent 7 episodes previous to that one explaining how Ned was honorable to a fault.  They also spent those 7 episodes showing that Robert was rash and quick to anger.  Ned telling Cersei to run before telling Robert is probably one of the most believable scenes in this whole story and they spent a good part of a season setting it up.... also called GOOD WRITING.  No idea how anyone can think that BOOM! Euron! is as good of writing as the early seasons, but to each their own I guess.

 
encaitar said:
Really?  You honestly think that the writing is as good now as it was in the first 3-4 seasons?  That's actually a thing?  

Olenna didn't want anyone to finger her for the poisoning.  So, why carry the poison on her in case she was searched?  Pretty smart thinking, especially since they showed her sucking up to Sansa earlier(OMG foreshadowing?) to get her to wear the necklace.

Stannis didn't sail all of his boats into the harbor.  If he had, he wouldn't have escaped.  But, he was attacking a fortified position(the walls of King's Landing).  If he didn't bring most of his army there, he'd have had no chance.  As it was, he still would've won the day if Tywin and the Tyrells hadn't showed up at the right time(this is called a believable plot twist).  No idea how anyone can nitpick this.

The show literally spent 7 episodes previous to that one explaining how Ned was honorable to a fault.  They also spent those 7 episodes showing that Robert was rash and quick to anger.  Ned telling Cersei to run before telling Robert is probably one of the most believable scenes in this whole story and they spent a good part of a season setting it up.... also called GOOD WRITING.  No idea how anyone can think that BOOM! Euron! is as good of writing as the early seasons, but to each their own I guess.
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Boom! Euron works if Sansa sent a raven to Cersei telling her of Dany/Jons travel plans.  

 
MikeMan said:
Lots of complaining without thinking.

And the unbelievable level of scrutiny is mind-boggling, acting like show was so much better before off GRRMs script. Uh. No. You could nitpick all the old seasons as well. Why would Olenna put the poison in Sansa's necklace? So many better options to ensure Joff drinks it! Stannis sailed ALL his boats into one harbor?! Endless examples could be given.....  Why would Ned tell Cersei he's going to rat her out?! He'd tell his best friend first! People make mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20. Real life commanders didn't have perfect battle strategies either. 
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Sure, you might be able to nitpick a couple things from the first 4 seasons.  I think a big takeaway is that people were enjoying it a bit more as a whole, so they didn't nitpick as much.   I fully admit to that being the case for me.  

That said, nothing in the first 4 seasons was a bad as the epic dumbness that was the zombie kidnapping plot last season.  Combining that with characters doing the same dumb things again this season that we have seen not work - Dany getting ambushed, meeting with Cersei, etc.. and I really don't know how people can say with a straight face that the writing has stayed at the same level of quality through all the seasons.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Sure, you might be able to nitpick a couple things from the first 4 seasons.  I think a big takeaway is that people were enjoying it a bit more as a whole, so they didn't nitpick as much.   I fully admit to that being the case for me.  

That said, nothing in the first 4 seasons was a bad as the epic dumbness that was the zombie kidnapping plot last season.  Combining that with characters doing the same dumb things again this season that we have seen not work - Dany getting ambushed, meeting with Cersei, etc.. and I really don't know how people can say with a straight face that the writing has stayed at the same level of quality through all the seasons.  
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I guarantee you if the fat man ever finishes the books....the cersei meeting season 7 and losing a dragon to the dead occurs.....how else does the wall come down?? Some horn?

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I guarantee you if the fat man ever finishes the books....the cersei meeting season 7 and losing a dragon to the dead occurs.....how else does the wall come down?? Some horn?
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If the books are ever finished, Cersei will have lost King's Landing (and the Throne) to a combination of the Faith Militant and/or Young Gryff by early-middle Book 6.

 
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So if every "good guy" got their happy ending what would that be? 

Yara kills Euron and rules the iron islands. 

Hound kills Mountain and eats more chickens. 

Arya kills Cersei

John goes back to live at the wall and whine a lot. 

Tyrion dies drunk in a brothel

Sansa rules the north

Dany gets the throne? I honestly don't care about the throne. 

 
Hollywood ending:

Sea Wench kills uncle and takes back the Iron Islands "for THEON!!"

Evil overloard is overthrown and the iron throne is melted. A kindler, gentler soul is atop the new republic of freed states, possibly a round table.

Illegal aliens sail off into the paradise seas, never to return.

Frodo takes his trek back to the Shire, err the North.

Pan over time to an older overweight gentleman with a beard writing the last few words of a documentary, err historical tome. Gets up and steps outside to see his boy learning to fight with a sword.

Pans waaaay out and all these things are just a sparkle in Bran's warged eyes in a memory of a long ago time and place. Gentle snowflakes float down around him and then suddenly swirl violently as the scene fades to black...

...it is known.

 
bostonfred said:
We've seen euron kill the greyjoy guy, we've seen him argue to be made king, get dunked underwater and say he wants to murder his remaining family, he was able to get an island of boat building people to build much better boats than they've ever built before, he's got unlimited information, knowing that cersei wanted the sand snakes alive to torture them,  knowing where they would be so he could destroy the previous best ships from the iron islands, knowing where to hide from the dragons that was on their route but not visible from the air, and we have seen him act like a water taxi, cut his crew mates tongues out with his only explanation being that someone lost a card game, he asked jamie if cersei liked a finger in her bum, pretended to be scared of zombies, and we saw him successfully beg for sex. I'd say we've seen a lot of euron. Too much even. 
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He’s the Han Solo of GOT.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I guarantee you if the fat man ever finishes the books....the cersei meeting season 7 and losing a dragon to the dead occurs.....how else does the wall come down?? Some horn?
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You could very well be right.  I also argue that the dialogue and character motivations have fallen off post-grrm material as well, so even if that was part of the outline he gave the showrunners it would come off better.  

 
Sebowski said:
So if every "good guy" got their happy ending what would that be? 

Yara kills Euron and rules the iron islands. 

Hound kills Mountain and eats more chickens. 

Arya kills Cersei

John goes back to live at the wall and whine a lot. 

Tyrion dies drunk in a brothel

Sansa rules the north

Dany gets the throne? I honestly don't care about the throne. 
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Bran watching Sansa's wedding on a loop

 
Finished my re-watch of previous seasons this last weekend, and caught up on the new episodes.Skimmed a little bit of the thread (which advanced like 70 pages in the meantime).  I was really surprised how much love there was for episode 3.  

 
GregR said:
Finished my re-watch of previous seasons this last weekend, and caught up on the new episodes.Skimmed a little bit of the thread (which advanced like 70 pages in the meantime).  I was really surprised how much love there was for episode 3.  
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The greatest TV we will ever have in our lifetime, man.  ;)

 
Sebowski said:
So if every "good guy" got their happy ending what would that be? 

Yara kills Euron and rules the iron islands. 

Hound kills Mountain and eats more chickens. 

Arya kills Cersei

John goes back to live at the wall and whine a lot. 

Tyrion dies drunk in a brothel

Sansa rules the north

Dany gets the throne? I honestly don't care about the throne. 
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Varys gets a ####

 
Just read the leaked spoilers.  Remember when it was reported that Kit Harrington's wife didn't speak to him for three days after he told her what happens?  Yeah, I feel the same way.  

 
Scoresman said:
Just read the leaked spoilers.  Remember when it was reported that Kit Harrington's wife didn't speak to him for three days after he told her what happens?  Yeah, I feel the same way.  
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Link please.

 
Scoresman said:
Just read the leaked spoilers.  Remember when it was reported that Kit Harrington's wife didn't speak to him for three days after he told her what happens?  Yeah, I feel the same way.  
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Seriously...wtf

 
GregR said:
A friend pointed me to this on youtube after I watched it. Probably posted by now I'm guessing?  Warning, NSFW language from the opening click: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0&feature=youtu.be

I've seen his stuff before which is funny but usually has a lot of filler not worth #####ing about.  Very little to no filler on this one.

My favorite moment I now refer to as the moment Khaleesi died (NSFW language still):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0&feature=youtu.be&t=1289

Again and again they show someone in hopeless situations only to cut away and when you come back they are fine. Who needs a sword when you have cutaways to defend you?

Jon surrounded by many dozens of zombies. Only to have all of those behind or to the sides of him teleport away between camera shots, then reappear another 20 yards back next camera shot so they can be safely burnt by dragonfire without it hitting him too (NSFW language again).    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0&feature=youtu.be&t=1110

Worst episode of the entire series. Utterly idiotic, unsupported cavalry charge. Stupidly having all of your siege weapons in the front line of the battle. Squandering the Unsullied standing in ranks in front of the defenses instead of behind them.  Not even trying to retreat any of the Unsullied. Just... gah.   
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Psssssh, they only lost half their forces, these were genius-level tactics.

 
hagmania said:
Psssssh, they only lost half their forces, these were genius-level tactics.
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Given the enormity of the army they were going against and the fact that they were already dead to begin with, only losing half your troops that started the battle down 3-1 is actually pretty solid. Especially given the piss poor tactics involved. Figure you lose two major armies int he first half hour of battle, finishing with half your men is pretty good.

I also think that's bull####. The asembled Unsullied in front of KL's last episode is more along the lines of what I was thinking was left of the entire force given the battle scenes we saw.

 
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