That's one reason why I think she's done, it's Jon's turn. They've changed course with her as a mercenary, she didn't even get a crack at Ceresi, she was used to show how normal people saw the devastation by trying to help the woman and girl. She has a role, some sort of savior of the people on a white horse, but I think her major killings on the show are over now.
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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (1 Viewer)
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The characters were operating under the belief the dead would get past it somehow. Otherwise Jon wouldn’t have felt the need to go to Dragonstone to get help in the first place.
Otis
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That is awesome. Like dark side of the moon and the wizard of Oz awesome
Thunderlips
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I bet all those people who named their daughters Khalessi feel like jabrones now. Guess they were related to the ones naming their kids Anakin after Attack of the Clones.
Dickies
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My money is on Arya. I refuse to believe we went through Arya's assassin training and crossing off her revenge list for it to just stop at the NK. Dany replaces Cersei on her list. A significant portion of this episode was her journey through the atrocities Dany was committing and how they directly impacted her.
I just don't know if Jon could kill Dany even if he were presented the opportunity. If Dany survives I could see her killing Jon and Tyrion.
CletiusMaximus
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In one of the post-show discussions, they said he was originally written for a much smaller role, but the actor they found was so awesome and compelling, they increased his screentime and role in the story. Seems like a huge miss to me, he was a terrible character right to the end.
-fish-
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Bob Sacamano
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I felt like some of what we saw through Arya in Ep 5 was a realization that not all deaths are equal, and that she may have a less antiseptic view of death now. I don't know if it will lead her to Gendry, and if it does I'm not sure I'll love that. But it gives her a potential ending, in Westeros, that isn't assassin or malcontent.
Maybe not. Maybe it just hardens her against Dany. Just felt like some of what she might be experiencing looking at the burned bodies and the helpless dying for no good reason.
Dickies
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James Daulton
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hagmania
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Dickies
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Bob Sacamano
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Telegraphing where you are heading with a character is not the same thing as successfully making that character into the person who arrives at that destination.
KarmaPolice
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The Duff Man
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And these are the people trusted to bring this awesome story to a fulfilling close?
Ilov80s
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Character-wise it would have made more sense for Jon to turn in Varys. A Ned Stark moment of doing the right thing even though it’s going to lead to bad results. Before this, Tyrion devises a plan to free Jamie knowing it might cost him his life but does it with the hopes he can get Jamie to the city and convince the troops to surrender with the bell. He has learned from Varys that it’s all for the good of the realm and sacrifices everything on one last Hail Mary. Davos is on it and has agreed to help Jamie by smuggling him out of camp and into Kings Landing. When news of Jamie’s escape reaches her, she orders Tyrion arrested and imprisoned as well. Now her camp is in disarray.
While imprisoned, Jon visits Tyrion, they have a bond going back to the S1 Wall. Tyrion tells Jon about the plan with bell and convinces Jon to beg Dany that if the bell rings, the city is surrendering and there’s no need for more carnage. He knows Dany will never listen to Tyrion but might take the advice from Jon. Dany burns Varys and Tyrion alive together on the beach. Jon goes along for the attack because he’s honorbound and scared. He tells Dany that if the bell rings it means the city has surrendered and that she should show mercy. The greatest smuggler alive gets Jamie in, he convinces the troops to surrender and races to ring the bell. Dany is set to end her rampage but on a fly by sees that it’s Jamie ringing the bell and assumes not only is it a trap but that Jon- the one who her told her about the bell and begged her to show mercy- was in on the coup. Khaleesi reigns hell on the city searching for revenge and searching for Jon Snow.
While imprisoned, Jon visits Tyrion, they have a bond going back to the S1 Wall. Tyrion tells Jon about the plan with bell and convinces Jon to beg Dany that if the bell rings, the city is surrendering and there’s no need for more carnage. He knows Dany will never listen to Tyrion but might take the advice from Jon. Dany burns Varys and Tyrion alive together on the beach. Jon goes along for the attack because he’s honorbound and scared. He tells Dany that if the bell rings it means the city has surrendered and that she should show mercy. The greatest smuggler alive gets Jamie in, he convinces the troops to surrender and races to ring the bell. Dany is set to end her rampage but on a fly by sees that it’s Jamie ringing the bell and assumes not only is it a trap but that Jon- the one who her told her about the bell and begged her to show mercy- was in on the coup. Khaleesi reigns hell on the city searching for revenge and searching for Jon Snow.
Ilov80s
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Also Arya should have been captured by the Mountain trying to kill Cersei so the Hound-Mountain fight had some stakes. The Hound had to allow Arya to escape and prevents Arya from having to take this super weird turn where all of a sudden AJ decides she doesn’t want to kill Cersei Lannister.
Ilov80s
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Bob Sacamano
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It wasn't that she didn't want to kill Cersei. He talked her out of being willing to die to do it. Especially when her death seemed inevitable anyway.
krista4
Footballguy
I think they pay attention, but don't process the negative parts because they wanted Dany to be their heroine. A bit like Tyrion had done. I mean, I read in here that people were naming their kids Khaleesi, so obviously there has been some excessive heroine worship going on, and it's not surprising that some on this board did the same. Some (not all) of the posts along the lines of "the Dany I know wouldn't do this" seem like emotionally overwrought versions of a boyfriend who found out the girl he worshipped turned out to be a #####. And she's beautiful and people want to believe she's good as a result. Studies show this stuff happens. I can see why people wanted it to be different.
Maybe it's because I watched all of the show in a truncated period, but it seemed evident to me how she was going to go. I feel like it's been telegraphed for quite some time, not just this season. I give a lot of credit to the actress who plays her, because she has said so much with a subtle look or a tone change without going over-the-top into capital A "Acting." In the scene last episode where she asked Jon not to tell Arya/Sansa, she was full of emotion - crying, pleading - but when it became clear he wasn't going to agree, she did a 180 and the temperature in the room dropped 100 degrees as she adopted an icy, stoic glare and spat out her line to him. Great acting that in my opinion helped deliver the logical conclusion.
Ilov80s
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I get that. I didn’t hate the turn she made there either but it did seem contradictory to how she’s spent the last few years of her life.
Man of Constant Sorrow
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I totally agree SID.
I have some further questions & thoughts on this, but I don't have time today.
I'll check back tomorrow.
Thnx.
zoonation
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I’m with you right up until the point she kills thousands of innocent people when she didn’t have to. I dont think there is anything “logical” in that conclusion or outcome. It is pure evil.
krista4
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Good Posting Judge
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I'm OK with it as a storytelling choice. In fact, I think it's a better storytelling choice than her taking over as a benevolent ruler. My issue is that it just wasn't sold nearly well enough. The bit at the end of "Prevoiusly on Game of Thrones" where they show Dany hearing a multitude of voices was
If she legitimately had the "crazy Targaryen" gene/whatever, we would've seen it before now. She's been through a lot of traumatizing #### pre-season 8, that seeing the Red Keep and being the literal hours away from victory being the trigger that makes her cross the line just doesn't hold up.
krista4
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My post wasn't clear. I mean logical in terms of how I saw them setting up the character, not logical in terms of what a normal, non-mad person would do. But I realize I might be looking at the character development differently than you do.
Speaking of which, while I found the Dany direction what I expected, I didn't really understand Jamie's character, as it turned out. Last week I asked you guys if it was clear why he was going back to KL, and most said for vengeance against Cersei. I tended to agree with that, but obviously we were wrong. A few people here have explained his arc (or lack thereof) in response to the latest episode, and I guess it's the best explanation, but I still don't really get it or buy into it. Maybe, like the big Dany fans, I just wanted Jamie to have changed to the good side.
ConnSKINS26
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Wha...? That's exactly what happened. It's not ambiguous at all, several tens of thousands of pounds of stone crushed her. The camera was right on them, we saw the stone descend. Am I high reading this? Were you high watching it?
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krista4
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I agree completely on the "previously" stuff - that was lame.I'm OK with it as a storytelling choice. In fact, I think it's a better storytelling choice than her taking over as a benevolent ruler. My issue is that it just wasn't sold nearly well enough. The bit at the end of "Prevoiusly on Game of Thrones" where they show Dany hearing a multitude of voices was
If she legitimately had the "crazy Targaryen" gene/whatever, we would've seen it before now. She's been through a lot of traumatizing #### pre-season 8, that seeing the Red Keep and being the literal hours away from victory being the trigger that makes her cross the line just doesn't hold up.
Good Posting Judge
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Buddy, are you going to be pissed when you hear how Hitler died. Not at all befitting.
KarmaPolice
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ragincajun
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Scenario 1: Ned wakes up from his dream.
Scenario 2: Arya goes ole no face on Dany and John takes the throne.
Scenario 2: Arya goes ole no face on Dany and John takes the throne.
I think the "simplest" explanation is that he was addicted to Cersei - he could never quit her, even if he wanted.
Good Posting Judge
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If I were Jaime, I wouldn't have gone back. But just because it's sooooooo faaaaaaaaar to travel. Sometimes it pays to be lazy.
zoonation
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I hear you.
Re Jamie: I was one of the only people in the thread who didn’t think he was going back to kill Cersei. I said “he is addicted”. And it turned out to be right. I didn’t mind that end for him.
Next week should be fun!
Dickies
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ConnSKINS26
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@krista4 I've been looking forward to reading your thoughts, knowing that you had recently binged the whole series I had wondered how that would impact your POV. I suspected having seen all the red flags and warning signs in quick succession very recently, without years of attachment to the character, might mean you were less surprised by the outcome. Good stuff.
Yankee23Fan
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Good Posting Judge
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Punxsutawney Phil
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A little more dramatic effect would have been better. Instead of a rumble and fade to black. Maybe show an actual rock crushing her.
krista4
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Most of us were, but kudos to zoonation and others for calling it. It's hard for me, and maybe was for you, to empathize with the "addiction" angle.
Punxsutawney Phil
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Scenario 3: she enslaves the rest of the kinds landing population and grey worm kills her. Like Jamie killed the mad king.
Yankee23Fan
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Yankee23Fan
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At 0:53 in Drogon melts part of the Red Keep. They show a window with the Lannister Lion insignia....
Without going back and looking....that would be the throne room, wouldn't it?
Without going back and looking....that would be the throne room, wouldn't it?
CletiusMaximus
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They said the same about Lady Mormont (Bella Ramsey). She was originally only going to do the one scene, when she pledged troops to the Starks in season 7. She was such a hit as a character, she ended up getting much more work out of it and was given a massive death scene.
facook
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I'm old enough this stuff doesn't matter to me anymore, but I'm not sure making love to the first 8 feet of a sequoia would keep him from his beloved.
