Game Thread W1 - NY Giants V Dallas (2 Viewers)

[redman]

@ playing Carrie Underwood's music after a Tony Romo touchdown.Even more that I recognized the song after 5 notes.

Cheesy x2

 

[madviking10]

Half way through Q2 and Owens hasnt touched the ball yet. How long until he starts sulking? I say 6 minutes into Q3.

Um, it's already happening. I want to know how long before he loses his mind.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Wow.

Where is H.K.?

 

[j3r3m3y]

What the hell was Canty doing?

"Ok, Chris, you know how you keep inadvertantly tackling your teammates after they intercept passes. We have a plan. From now on, run straight to the sideline if there's an interception in order to avoid that, ok? Got it? [The play unfolds]Wade Phillips:

I loled.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Half way through Q2 and Owens hasnt touched the ball yet. How long until he starts sulking? I say 6 minutes into Q3.

Um, it's already happening. I want to know how long before he loses his mind.

I give it another quarter. Then his 1500/20TD season will seem impossible to him and he'll blow up.

 

[ClownDogs]

Jacobs out, sprained knee

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jacobs out for the night?!?

 

[videoguy505]

OUT. Wow.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

The Brandon Jacobs era getting off to a shaky start...

Sprained knee, out for the game, tests tomorrow...

 

[Double_J]

What a ####. Suck it up and get back in there. He ran off the field when he got hurt.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

{sigh}

Jacobs was going to be my steal of the draft.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Jacobs out, sprained knee

Well, I guess we actually have to talk about fantasy football instead of Barney Stinson and Carrie Underwood.Ward has looked good in limited action. Anyone know (doctors, etc.) how severe the injury could be?

 

[BigTex]

Jacobs did a lot of talkin this week and now he's hurt, go figure.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Jacobs did a lot of talkin this week and now he's hurt, go figure.

Yes. Correlation always means causation.Good read.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Are the Giants trying to give the ball back to the Cowboys for a drive before the half? Why do you call timeout with 1:43 left when you are inside the 20. YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME!!

 

[Sweeper]

@ playing Carrie Underwood's music after a Tony Romo touchdown.Even more that I recognized the song after 5 notes.

Cheesy x2

Wanna know what else is cheesy? doing this!

 

[redman]

@ playing Carrie Underwood's music after a Tony Romo touchdown.Even more that I recognized the song after 5 notes.

Cheesy x2

Wanna know what else is cheesy? doing this!

It just occurred to me: is "cheesy" an insult in Green Bay? Is it a compliment there?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

 

[Keys Myaths]

@ playing Carrie Underwood's music after a Tony Romo touchdown.Even more that I recognized the song after 5 notes.

Cheesy x2

Wanna know what else is cheesy? doing this!

It just occurred to me: is "cheesy" an insult in Green Bay? Is it a compliment there?

I think people forget Keys is from Wisconsin. Cheesy is a very good thing.I need some cheese curds. Mmmmm.

 

[ThinGrayLine]

I don't want to pile onto the Manning pile-on, but he does perpetually look like a pouting child.

Edit: But the pouting child just threw a TD

Norm

 

[cnguy19]

dallas is getting used

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Go for two dummy.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Go for two dummy.

Waaaay too early to start chasing 2 point conversions...Kick the XP and go to the half down 4...

 

[joffer]

Eli must have gotten lucky there

 

[Billy1x]

Owens must have taken the night off

 

[Spartans Rule]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

 

[GrossmanToHester]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

The fact that your simplification doesn't account for win probabilities given the various outcomes of both choices.

 

[MrPhoenix]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

Somehow, there's a correlation between being a "bigger" back and injuries.

 

[GrossmanToHester]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

Somehow, there's a correlation between being a "bigger" back and injuries.

Link?

 

[Penguin]

I can't get behind this Cowboy team at all. Their secondary, special teams, Bozo the QB. How are people seriously predicting 11 wins from this group?

 

[MrPhoenix]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

Somehow, there's a correlation between being a "bigger" back and injuries.

Link?

I'm just an interpreter. Never said I agreed with him.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Also in before the "look what happened to Carolina in the SB v New England when they went for two early" comments.

 

[fatness]

Sweet! An Eeyore sighting! :(

It's twue! It's twue!

 

[madviking10]

So we have this fancy game center thing on NFL.com that tells us all kinds of good stuff. It tells you the Score of the game. and and and....

oh and it tells me I can buy Cowboys and Giants stuff in the NFL.com store.

Maybe one day it will show live game stats and cool stuff like that..LIKE IT HAS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS OR SO !!!!

:(

 

[GrossmanToHester]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

Somehow, there's a correlation between being a "bigger" back and injuries.

Link?

I'm just an interpreter. Never said I agreed with him.

I'd be careful to distance myself from KRS if I were you.

 

[UlyssesNorris]

Did Barber get hurt on his TD? Looked like he was in pain on the sideline.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

The fact that your simplification doesn't account for win probabilities given the various outcomes of both choices.

Given that we're only at halftime and there's still a million possible outcomes, I'm pretty sure the higher EV is gonna give you the higher win probability.

 

[redman]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

The fact that your simplification doesn't account for win probabilities given the various outcomes of both choices.

Given that we're only at halftime and there's still a million possible outcomes, I'm pretty sure the higher EV is gonna give you the higher win probability.

Um . . . I was not told that there would be math . . . :(

 

[joffer]

Also in before the "look what happened to Carolina in the SB v New England when they went for two early" comments.

damn, was just about to pull that one out :(

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

The fact that your simplification doesn't account for win probabilities given the various outcomes of both choices.

Given that we're only at halftime and there's still a million possible outcomes, I'm pretty sure the higher EV is gonna give you the higher win probability.

I agree that it's "less certain" at this point of the game. For example with no time left, it's obvious there is no choice but to go for 2 down 2. We are not at that point. That doesn't mean that going for 2 now doesn't give them a better chance of winning the game.Your math is only analyzing the risk not the reward.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I can't get behind this Cowboy team at all. Their secondary, special teams, Bozo the QB. How are people seriously predicting 11 wins from this group?

I think they look pretty good. All that's keeping the Giants in this game is Plaxico Burress. Having Terrence Newman around might help quite a bit with that situation.Romo has been disappointing though.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

There's a reason why RBs the size of Brandon Jacobs aren't feature backs.

And what is that?

Somehow, there's a correlation between being a "bigger" back and injuries.

Link?

I'm just an interpreter. Never said I agreed with him.

I'd be careful to distance myself from KRS if I were you.

:(

 

[j3r3m3y]

Go for two dummy.

In before the "you kick early and go for it late" and other variations of bad logic.

.98*1 > .4*2What's wrong with that logic?

The fact that your simplification doesn't account for win probabilities given the various outcomes of both choices.

Given that we're only at halftime and there's still a million possible outcomes, I'm pretty sure the higher EV is gonna give you the higher win probability.

I agree that it's "less certain" at this point of the game. For example with no time left, it's obvious there is no choice but to go for 2 down 2. We are not at that point. That doesn't mean that going for 2 now doesn't give them a better chance of winning the game.Your math is only analyzing the risk not the reward.

You also have to consider more than math. Go for 2 now and miss it, and how does that affect the confidence of the players? There are intangibles that can not be factored in. You also have to consider that coaching is not a stable occupation. Coaches are often criticized when they take a risk and it does not pan out, they are often immune if general consensus was he played it safe. Sometimes the right statistical move is to "go for it", but playing it safe is in the coach's best interests.

 

[jmsne]

I need more tds from Romo.. playing the burress/wayne owner its a close game, but romo could really help

 

[j3r3m3y]

I need more tds from Romo.. playing the burress/wayne owner its a close game, but romo could really help

If Romo is your QB#1 I suspect you will find yourself in need most weeks.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

You also have to consider more than math. Go for 2 now and miss it, and how does that affect the confidence of the players? There are intangibles that can not be factored in. You also have to consider that coaching is not a stable occupation. Coaches are often criticized when they take a risk and it does not pan out, they are often immune if general consensus was he played it safe. Sometimes the right statistical move is to "go for it", but playing it safe is in the coach's best interests.

This can be measured and your assumption is that the effect is negative.The second bolded statement is probably the reason reason coaches make -EV decisions. Their job is on the line. And you seem to suggest that you should make the wrong call for job security sake. Ironically, not a good way to keep a job. Althouh 16 game season might not be enough to make the law of averages speak for itself.

Look at coaches like BB who are good and have good job security. They often go for it in situations other don't to good results.

 

[maestro]

Is Romo the Homo pissed at T.O.? Throw him the Ball!!!1

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Great catch.