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TEN CB Renaldo Hill played very well in limited duty with the Raiders last year.  He's not big but he plays very aggressive against the run.  Played a few different positions if I remember correctly.  Not sure what spot he'll play for the Titans but I think he'll find a way to put up the tackle numbers again.
didn't he sign with the Dolphins? anyway, I agree he could be a very nice sleeper this year. I have him as my #39 ranked DB in the dynasty rankings.
So I am also learning there are 2 R Hills :wall: So which is the good sleeper Renaldo in Miami - or Reynaldo in Tenn or both??
Renaldo in Miami because he's playing safety, a higher tackle position, and he put up good tackle numbers in his limited time at safety for the raiders last year. the other Hill is a nice deep sleeper at CB for the NFL, but fantasy, i dont see him as more than an injury fill in. If he gets picked on unmercifully because Pac Man has progressed, then maybe he could be a good starter in CB/S split out leagues.
 
Nah...he was FS all year.
even in week 1 when Doss was suspended?anyway, ignore my original comment. Sanders put up good numbers from the FS position in Indy last year.
By NFL.com gamebook he was at FS and Joseph was SS. I know that sounds bizarre Aaron. I've always thought gamebook was a pretty accurate source, but maybe not. With Sanders, even though he is listed at FS, I think he plays some SS in every game. Just speculation, don't get to see enough Indy's games. Hopefully Indy homer will chime in. Like I said in earlier post, I hear Indy likes S to be interchangable. Maybe cover2 schemes like their saftey's to be interchangable, I don't know?

 
TEN CB Renaldo Hill played very well in limited duty with the Raiders last year.  He's not big but he plays very aggressive against the run.  Played a few different positions if I remember correctly.  Not sure what spot he'll play for the Titans but I think he'll find a way to put up the tackle numbers again.
didn't he sign with the Dolphins? anyway, I agree he could be a very nice sleeper this year. I have him as my #39 ranked DB in the dynasty rankings.
So I am also learning there are 2 R Hills :wall: So which is the good sleeper Renaldo in Miami - or Reynaldo in Tenn or both??
Renaldo in Miami because he's playing safety, a higher tackle position, and he put up good tackle numbers in his limited time at safety for the raiders last year. the other Hill is a nice deep sleeper at CB for the NFL, but fantasy, i dont see him as more than an injury fill in. If he gets picked on unmercifully because Pac Man has progressed, then maybe he could be a good starter in CB/S split out leagues.
Thanks! The strange thing is on MFL he is listed as a CB for Miami?? As is Reynaldo for Tenn.
 
Dolphins | Team expects Hill to play safetyTue, 28 Mar 2006 07:08:55 -0800Jason Cole, of the Miami Herald, reports newly signed Miami Dolphins DB Renaldo Hill is expected to play at safety in base defense situations.
Unfortunately, the full link is no longer accessible without a subscription. Hill was signed to play safety. Though only 185lbs, he stood up very well in run support in the Raiders' bizarro nickel package where he was listed as a CB but functioned in more of a run supporting role. Most Fins observers on the message board who've followed Saban's defenses for some time see the safety positions as interchangeable. Schulters held the most value last season from both a tackle and big play perspective. Whether that's because Travares Tillman and Tebucky Jones are spare parts (which is likely accurate) remains to be seen.I agree with Bloom's assessment of Reynaldo Hill/CB/TEN. Nice player but little fantasy value.I suppose you could say that the safeties in the Tampa-2 are interchangeable. Each are responsible for 1/3 of the deep zone (the MLB drops back to help cover the deep middle). In the Colts' defense, both Doss and Sanders tend to come up to aid in run support quickly. Unfortunately for Doss owners, he doesn't finish the tackle nearly as often as Sanders. Unfortunately for Sanders owners, he finishes so well he beats himself to a pulp and ends up dinged for a series or two every other game. And, someone correct if I'm off base here, but on obvious rushing downs I've seen Sanders function as the in the box defender.
 
Dolphins | Team expects Hill to play safety

Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:08:55 -0800

Jason Cole, of the Miami Herald, reports newly signed Miami Dolphins DB Renaldo Hill is expected to play at safety in base defense situations.
Unfortunately, the full link is no longer accessible without a subscription. Hill was signed to play safety. Though only 185lbs, he stood up very well in run support in the Raiders' bizarro nickel package where he was listed as a CB but functioned in more of a run supporting role. Most Fins observers on the message board who've followed Saban's defenses for some time see the safety positions as interchangeable. Schulters held the most value last season from both a tackle and big play perspective. Whether that's because Travares Tillman and Tebucky Jones are spare parts (which is likely accurate) remains to be seen.I agree with Bloom's assessment of Reynaldo Hill/CB/TEN. Nice player but little fantasy value.

I suppose you could say that the safeties in the Tampa-2 are interchangeable. Each are responsible for 1/3 of the deep zone (the MLB drops back to help cover the deep middle). In the Colts' defense, both Doss and Sanders tend to come up to aid in run support quickly. Unfortunately for Doss owners, he doesn't finish the tackle nearly as often as Sanders. Unfortunately for Sanders owners, he finishes so well he beats himself to a pulp and ends up dinged for a series or two every other game. And, someone correct if I'm off base here, but on obvious rushing downs I've seen Sanders function as the in the box defender.
It seems like Sanders is in the box, but some of that is that his closing speed is ridiculous. Doss on the other hand can be completely beat if a receiver gets behind him (he was running as hard as he could and couldnt keep up with heath miller in the playoffs). Moving Jackson to safety and showing the Doss the door would be advisable.
 
For purposes of dicussions sake are you folks mentioning Spikes not the least bit concerned over the nature of his injury and age? He is getting mentioned a fair bit and, as people are reading and trying to determine the type of value Spikes might have, I was curious to see what those people with favorable feelings about Spikes think. His injury is not something to be taken lightly, opinion. Are you worried a lot, a little or the injury is a non issue?

I traded the guy last year in Zealots for either the 3.02 or 3.03. If the normal Joe off the street is reading this and going to attempt to trade for Spikes, what price do you guys see him having? Do you think Spikes still has high 3rd round value, which is essentially a blue chip defensive prospect, or do you feel it is lower than that due to age and injury?

How low is Spikes buy low price? Day after Thanksgiving? Blue light special? Thrift shop? Free couch on the curb?

 
Despite modern orthopedic treatment, rupturing an Achilles tendon is a big issue. It's the biggest tendon in the human body and even with aggressive rehabilitation, there's a substantial (4-6%) risk of a second rupture.

Elite athletes can fully recover in as little as 6 months, but it generally takes a little longer to regain full range of motion and strength. Spikes ruptured his in Week 3, so he should be ready to go for training camp.

Generally speaking, I don't like lower body/back injuries in older players. Speed and agility were Spikes' primary attributes, but he should fully recover from this injury. If he does, recent elderly backers like Donnie Edwards, Zach Thomas, Keith Brooking and his teammate London Fletcher have shown than turning 30 isn't the end of the line. If he doesn't fully recover his former quickness and agility, he's got the football IQ to make up for some loss of those measurables and still hold value.

I've downgraded him to the mid teens in my current rankings, but I'm more than willing to put him near or into the top 10 if he's ready for full contact during camp and shows good movement during the preseason.

For me, today, his value is much closer to blue chipper than couch on the curb. However, with the glut of good, young LB available in last year's and this year's drafts, I wouldn't overpay to get him. And he's probably too big a name still to grab ultra cheap.

 
So far most of the guys I'd list are already listed.

Just wanted to echo the comments on Kevin Williams, Darren Howard, Darent Williams, and Morlon Greenwood.

1) Brandon Moore. Should put up LB3 #s, and he's been goin as LB76 in Zealots.

2) Jeff Ulbrich. Should put up comparable #s to Derek Smith, and you can get him 26 spots later than Derek Smith.

3) Marquand Manuel. Going as DB51, should at least do better than Roman did last year, and he was a servicable DB3-4.

 
For purposes of dicussions sake are you folks mentioning Spikes not the least bit concerned over the nature of his injury and age? He is getting mentioned a fair bit and, as people are reading and trying to determine the type of value Spikes might have, I was curious to see what those people with favorable feelings about Spikes think. His injury is not something to be taken lightly, opinion. Are you worried a lot, a little or the injury is a non issue?

I traded the guy last year in Zealots for either the 3.02 or 3.03. If the normal Joe off the street is reading this and going to attempt to trade for Spikes, what price do you guys see him having? Do you think Spikes still has high 3rd round value, which is essentially a blue chip defensive prospect, or do you feel it is lower than that due to age and injury?

How low is Spikes buy low price? Day after Thanksgiving? Blue light special? Thrift shop? Free couch on the curb?
Spikes will get as far back as he possibly can from that achilles injury, you can count on that. Julian peterson was not as explosive coming back from his injury this year, and Spikes will not completely be himself either. He's still an excellent fit at WLB in the cover 2 and should put up at least 70-80% of his usual line. The injury was early enough in the year that it should not hamper his ability to return for game 1. I think Spikes value only goes up from that 3rd. At the moment he tore the achilles, his value hit bottom because you lost his production for that year, and you knew he would be less of a stud in year 2. As we get closer to his return, the value upticks. I would think it would take a 2nd to get him now.
 
It seems like Sanders is in the box, but some of that is that his closing speed is ridiculous.

:thumbup:

From what little I've seen of Indy, this is my take also.

 
Who are some other LB's who have had a severe achilles injury?
Edgerton Hartwell is the first that comes to mind after Julian Peterson. I'm pretty certain that Sam Cowart partially tore his a few years back and I remembering reading that Brad Kassell had recovered from a partial tear a couple of years ago too.And, among other things, it was a ruptured Achilles that helped to end Lawrence Taylor's career.

 
It seems like Sanders is in the box, but some of that is that his closing speed is ridiculous.

:thumbup:

From what little I've seen of Indy, this is my take also.
seriously, go back and watch some indy tape. You'll see an RB break through to the second level, a blur from off the screen, and the RB goes down. That blur is Sanders.
 
Who are some other LB's who have had a severe achilles injury?
Edgerton Hartwell is the first that comes to mind after Julian Peterson. I'm pretty certain that Sam Cowart partially tore his a few years back and I remembering reading that Brad Kassell had recovered from a partial tear a couple of years ago too.And, among other things, it was a ruptured Achilles that helped to end Lawrence Taylor's career.
Ronald Curry is not an LB, but he re-tore his achilles very soon after taking the field again when he was done rehabbing the first tear. Very sad. Jives with Jene's info that there is a relatively high risk of re-injury.
 
From my personal experience I have never seen someone with a high level of athletic ability recover from an Achilles injury. I am not talking about once a week softball guy nor am I speaking of once a year family game of flag football guy. This perspective is coming from guys that had the ability to play in college or the minors or have short stints in the pros. On the other hand, though, guys normally come very close to recovering your garden vareity ACL, PCL or MCL injuries.

Spikes...last guy I would want to be hit by on a field; definition of physical specimen.; acute on field presence and savvy veteran but, if someone offered the hypothetical 2nd rounder Bloom mentioned, I would take it immediately.

That injury is just extremely difficult to get over and, if I could land a 2nd or high 3rd for him, I take it and run. In no way am I knocking Spikes or his recovery or wishing ill will on the guy. I just do not see him being above 80-85% of the player he was pre injury and I am not sure his practical experience will be enough to counterbalance his loss of speed, burst and lateral movement.

 
Who are some other LB's who have had a severe achilles injury?
Edgerton Hartwell is the first that comes to mind after Julian Peterson. I'm pretty certain that Sam Cowart partially tore his a few years back and I remembering reading that Brad Kassell had recovered from a partial tear a couple of years ago too.And, among other things, it was a ruptured Achilles that helped to end Lawrence Taylor's career.
Thanks for refreshing my memory...aint what it use to be. :P Cowart has never been the same. Peterson hasn't really come back all the way yet. And your right about LT. If I were Hartwell and/or Spikes owners, I would be nervous.

 
From my personal experience I have never seen someone with a high level of athletic ability recover from an Achilles injury. I am not talking about once a week softball guy nor am I speaking of once a year family game of flag football guy. This perspective is coming from guys that had the ability to play in college or the minors or have short stints in the pros. On the other hand, though, guys normally come very close to recovering your garden vareity ACL, PCL or MCL injuries.

Spikes...last guy I would want to be hit by on a field; definition of physical specimen.; acute on field presence and savvy veteran but, if someone offered the hypothetical 2nd rounder Bloom mentioned, I would take it immediately.

That injury is just extremely difficult to get over and, if I could land a 2nd or high 3rd for him, I take it and run. In no way am I knocking Spikes or his recovery or wishing ill will on the guy. I just do not see him being above 80-85% of the player he was pre injury and I am not sure his practical experience will be enough to counterbalance his loss of speed, burst and lateral movement.
:goodposting: I don't know much about achilles injuries, but I thought its a tough one to come back from. At, lets say 85%... Spikes would more like to play sam wouldn't he?

 
Who are some other LB's who have had a severe achilles injury?
Edgerton Hartwell is the first that comes to mind after Julian Peterson. I'm pretty certain that Sam Cowart partially tore his a few years back and I remembering reading that Brad Kassell had recovered from a partial tear a couple of years ago too.And, among other things, it was a ruptured Achilles that helped to end Lawrence Taylor's career.
Thanks for refreshing my memory...aint what it use to be. :P Cowart has never been the same. Peterson hasn't really come back all the way yet. And your right about LT. If I were Hartwell and/or Spikes owners, I would be nervous.
...and don't forget about Jamir Miller (CLE). He was an animal his '01 season with 99 tackles, 13 sacks and 12 PD's. Fast forward to the following preseason, Miller tears his achilles and never plays another down again.One final note...

Spikes and Miller were essentially the same age when they both tore their achilles.

 
Last year, Romeo Crennel was talking about Chaun Thompson being a physically gifted player and he needed to find more ways to get him on the field more.... the conversion to 3-4 & signing of Willie McGinest moves Chaun to ILB next to Andra Davis. Crennell was very high on CT when he arrived in Clev.

As for Spikes' recovery, he has had sufficient time to recover and rehab. He is running at full speed and cutting (don't know to what level). His only concern is a re-occurence.

I have T Spikes on my Keeper list right next to Odell Thurman!

Ulbrich is a nice name to target as a good low value!

Another name I am looking at is Indy LB Gilbert Gardner... finally fully healthy and opening as the SLB. With June's past (albiet minor) injury history, Gardner is in line to move to WLB. He was drafted to fill that spot!

I don't have alot of confidence in Matt McCoy as WLB in Philly. They let Keith Adams go to Carolina but brought in Shawn Barber. Don't they still have Mark Simoneau there too?

 
Last year, Romeo Crennel was talking about Chaun Thompson being a physically gifted player and he needed to find more ways to get him on the field more.... the conversion to 3-4 & signing of Willie McGinest moves Chaun to ILB next to Andra Davis. Crennell was very high on CT when he arrived in Clev.
Matt Stewart or a rook have as good a shot inside. I think Chaun stays outside ...
 
Last year, Romeo Crennel was talking about Chaun Thompson being a physically gifted player and he needed to find more ways to get him on the field more.... the conversion to 3-4 & signing of Willie McGinest moves Chaun to ILB next to Andra Davis.  Crennell was very high on CT when he arrived in Clev. 
Matt Stewart or a rook have as good a shot inside. I think Chaun stays outside ...
Well, Ourlads has him at ILB.... yeah, I realize it's still early and not much concrete evidence in the position listing, but McGinest is purely an OLB pass rush specialist.
LDE 99 ROYE Orpheus U/Pit

NT 92 WASHINGTON Ted SF06*

RDE 97 McKinley Alvin W/Car

LOLB 52 Stewart Matt U/Atl

LILB 54 Davis Andra 02/5

RILB 51 Thompson Chaun 03/2

ROLB 55 McGINEST Willie SF06*

LCB 33 McCutcheon Daylon 99/3

SS 21 Pool Brodney 05/2

FS 27 Russell Brian R/Min

RCB 24 Baxter Gary U/Bal
Ourlads Clev Depth Chart
 
It's anybody's guess with the ILB position next to Andra Davis in CLE. However, it needs to be noted that Chaun Thompson was an ILB in college. He was moved to the outside b/c of his favorable size/speed ratio. On the flip side, there was talk last year of Thompson playing ILB next to Davis, but Ben Taylor was given the nod.

Time will obviously tell.

 
Im not saying that its impossible for them to move Chaun inside, only that on the Browns Board and in other places they seem to think it is more likely Stewart going inside + a rookie pick to compete ...

Didn't Stewart play 3-4 ILB when he was at ATL?

Browns | M. Stewart could move to inside linebacker

Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:36:34 -0700

Steve Doerschuk, of the Canton Repository, reports Cleveland Browns LB Matt Stewart could move to inside linebacker. Head coach Romeo Crennel feels he is capable enough that the team could put him there and still operate.

Browns | Stewart might play at inside LB

Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:01:45 -0800

Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, reports Cleveland Browns LB Matt Stewart could be an option at the right inside linebacker position.

 
Didn't Stewart play 3-4 ILB when he was at ATL?
Stewart was an OLB for the Falcons. He also played OLB for Vanderbilt. At nearly 6'4" and "only" weighing 235lbs, I'm not sure if he'd have the mass to play inside.One would think Thompson (...or rookie ILB) would be the logical choice, but I guess this is why I'm not an NFL GM.
 
Just a little head's up...

This thread has suddenly increased the trade price for players listed to a shocking level. Go figure.

You might want to hold off on buying anyone listed in here for a couple days. Let the inflation subside, opinion, and push for a deal after the draft next weekend.

If you want specifics, drop me a pm but let's just say a guy I thought I could easily get for a 4th round pick or old, veteran WR now has an asking price of a 1st or 2nd round rookie pick. Such is the yin and ying of the boards.

 
Who are some other LB's who have had a severe achilles injury?
Edgerton Hartwell is the first that comes to mind after Julian Peterson. I'm pretty certain that Sam Cowart partially tore his a few years back and I remembering reading that Brad Kassell had recovered from a partial tear a couple of years ago too.And, among other things, it was a ruptured Achilles that helped to end Lawrence Taylor's career.
Thanks for refreshing my memory...aint what it use to be. :P Cowart has never been the same. Peterson hasn't really come back all the way yet. And your right about LT. If I were Hartwell and/or Spikes owners, I would be nervous.
...and don't forget about Jamir Miller (CLE). He was an animal his '01 season with 99 tackles, 13 sacks and 12 PD's. Fast forward to the following preseason, Miller tears his achilles and never plays another down again.One final note...

Spikes and Miller were essentially the same age when they both tore their achilles.
:goodposting: Very good call Dog!

 
As for Spikes' recovery, he has had sufficient time to recover and rehab. He is running at full speed and cutting (don't know to what level). His only concern is a re-occurence.

I have T Spikes on my Keeper list right next to Odell Thurman!
Spikes is someone I would think of moving for decent value early next season - when he has shown that he will be all the way back soon...He's one of my keepers too - incidentally next to Thurman and Pierce so he probably ranks as LB3 on that team ( not that you care - but interesting coincidence)

 
Buffalo News on Spikes' injury/recovery/outlook.

By Allen Wilson

4/24/2006

Talking to Takeo Spikes, you get the feeling that he's ready to suit up for the Buffalo Bills today. But now is not the time.

The season opener at New England is the target date for the veteran linebacker, who expects to be fully recovered from his Achilles injury by then.

Spikes is seven months into his rehabilitation, which usually takes up to 10 months. A torn Achilles tendon is not an easy injury for a mobile player to overcome.

But for those who wonder if Spikes can recapture his Pro Bowl form, he has this response: Don't bet against me.

"I was always told this, and I know it's true, once a dog knows how to bite he doesn't forget," Spikes said by phone from his offseason home in Atlanta. "I don't care if that dog has jaw surgery he's still going to know how to bite when he gets healthy because that's in his instincts.

"I'm a football player. That's what I do. I'll be back. Not only that, I'll be better than I was before the injury. I promise you that."

Spikes' optimism comes from the progress he's made since Dr. James Andrews, the noted Birmingham, Ala.-based orthopedic surgeon, repaired his tendon.

Spikes has drawn inspiration from the number of calls he gets from teammates and from others who have resumed careers after suffering the same injury, including Seattle linebacker Julian Peterson and basketball Hall of Famer Dominique Wilkins.

Spikes even started a campaign called "The Comeback 2006" to hype his return. On his web site, takeospikes51.com, he is selling a T-shirt with the slogan "I'll be back: BIGGER, STRONGER, FASTER, BETTER," emblazoned on the front.

Spikes and his agent, Todd France, came up with the concept during the early stages of Spikes' rehab.

"We did a sample and I liked it," Spikes said. "Ever since then, that's the goal, and I've been pushing for it."

Spikes has a great passion for the game and a drive to be the best. So it should come as no surprise that he's determined to make a full recovery.

"Takeo is the kind of guy that is relentless," France said. "He doesn't accept anything but perfection from himself. He is doing everything, and then some, to get himself not only to where he was before but better than he was before. And if there's anyone who can do that, it's Takeo. I won't bet against him for all the money in the world."

Spikes spends long hours working with his trainer and physical therapist. His daily regimen consists of weight lifting, stretching and light running. He takes a kick boxing class twice a week to improve his flexibility. He does plyometrics, an exercise designed to increase power and explosiveness in the muscles. He works on functional drills that simulate his movements on the field.

"It's been a long, tiresome, tedious process," Spikes said. "For the first three or four months it was hard just because from a physical standpoint I couldn't do anything. I had to just let it heal. Mentally it was tough because you're always trying to meet new challenges. When I got used to doing certain drills and thought I had it mastered, my physical rehab guy would throw something else at me. So as soon as you think you have it, he would come in there and humble you back down. It was a good strategy.

"It was hard sometimes to be patient, but what helped keep me in check was I had to realize, "It's only March. You have to be ready in September, not April. So don't do something stupid.' "

Spikes is doing his rehab in Atlanta, but the Bills' medical staff has been able to monitor him. The Bills are pleased with Spikes' progress but are in no rush to get him on the field.

"Our plan now is to take it very slow with him obviously through the offseason and then right into training camp," coach **** Jauron said. "We'll proceed cautiously and slowly. We sat down and talked about it a great deal. We'll see how he's doing it. He's doing really well on his rehab. We think he's right on course and we're counting on him to play. But we do have a plan, and we intend to take it pretty slowly."

As for Spikes, he can't suit up fast enough. He had only brief conversations with Jauron, but he's excited about the new defense and his role in it.

Will Spikes be the player he was? Will he have the same explosiveness?

"One my favorite quotes of all time is, "A man can't have vision if his imagination is out of focus,' " Spikes answered. "You've got to imagine yourself doing it. That's why I'm so sure I'm going to be OK because I've seen myself making the big play. I've seen myself making cuts like I use to but doing it even better. I've seen myself making hard hits.

"I love what I do, and I can't wait for the day I can walk out of that tunnel at Ralph Wilson Stadium and hear the fans chant "TKO.' It's going to be an emotional moment, man. I've got so much built up inside me that when I get on the field that team better get ready because somebody is going to get dropped."
 
What is the status of Rodney Harrison's rehab? Age is creaping, but he and D Brooks seem to not be fading fast. time will tell.

Tony Parrish is coming off a late season injury and is always a nice value.

 
Matt McCoy - Last year's 2nd-round only has Shawn Barber standing in his way...for at least another week, that is.
:thumbup: Eagles | Reid discusses McCoy playing first LB unit

Sat, 13 May 2006 18:16:03 -0700

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid discusses LB Matt McCoy playing with the first linebacker unit during minicamp and the competition with LB Shawn Barber. Reid said, "He is working with that first group. He and [LB] Shawn Barber were competing. Shawn is going to have a big role in our nickel package. I am sure he will work in there at base. They will both compete for that spot."

 
Peppers and Kevin Williams are definitely at the top of my list. Kevin Williams + cover 2 = good things. Peppers will get there eventually, we can all see it.

Charles Grant and Darren Howard should bounce back this year.

Sean Taylor could be a good one to get while these legal troubles hang over him.

Reggie Hayward was a beast in Denver - he's coming off a disappointing year.

Andre Carter - Could see time on all three downs as a WLB/pass rush specialist
Picked all of these plus C Griffin in Washington too. Shaun Rogers is a maybe depending on how he responds to Marinelli.
 
Peppers and Kevin Williams are definitely at the top of my list. Kevin Williams + cover 2 = good things. Peppers will get there eventually, we can all see it.

Charles Grant and Darren Howard should bounce back this year.

Sean Taylor could be a good one to get while these legal troubles hang over him.

Reggie Hayward was a beast in Denver - he's coming off a disappointing year.

Andre Carter - Could see time on all three downs as a WLB/pass rush specialist
Picked all of these plus C Griffin in Washington too. Shaun Rogers is a maybe depending on how he responds to Marinelli.
Make sure you realize that A Carter will most likely be coded as a DL in your league. He will not be playing LB and should be the Skins starting RDE.
 
Make sure you realize that A Carter will most likely be coded as a DL in your league. He will not be playing LB and should be the Skins starting RDE.

Yes but will probably play some OLB like McGinest did a few years ago.

 
Nnamdi Asomugha ... logging a lot of time in the Raider backfield = pure gold baby ...
:confused: Got some inside information for us? What makes you think he'll be more valuable this season?

To my eyes, he's never been a big play guy (zero picks in three seasons) and despite good size hasn't been overly impressive in run support. Or has he and his tackle numbers just not show it?

I've heard rumblings about him moving to safety for a couple of seasons now. He's not SS material and hasn't been played at safety over Schweigert in two seasons. The Raiders went to Renaldo Hill as their near the box run stopping DB in their bizarro nickel schemes last season. And the Raiders don't have a bunch of corners just lying around either. So it looks like he stays a corner to me.

I don't mean to knock the idea. I just want to better understand the pure gold comment.
In my league he was DB #72 while seeing some bench time ... I think with Woodson gone and their safety position in disarray Asomugha will almost never see the bench ...You cant go wrong with a DB on the field as much as Asomugha will be, especially considering what a sorry pass D the Raiders will have ... I also think he is a better tackler than generally thought ...

And he is typically undrafted, even in 40 man roster leagues ... note that Cracker agrees to an extent, having him at Dynasty DB #55 over Bly ...
I would suspect that with the drafting of Huff and Bing by teh raiders, the Asomugha theory goes out the window. He may well not even be on the roster when the season rolls around.
 
Nnamdi Asomugha ... logging a lot of time in the Raider backfield = pure gold baby ...
:confused: Got some inside information for us? What makes you think he'll be more valuable this season?

To my eyes, he's never been a big play guy (zero picks in three seasons) and despite good size hasn't been overly impressive in run support. Or has he and his tackle numbers just not show it?

I've heard rumblings about him moving to safety for a couple of seasons now. He's not SS material and hasn't been played at safety over Schweigert in two seasons. The Raiders went to Renaldo Hill as their near the box run stopping DB in their bizarro nickel schemes last season. And the Raiders don't have a bunch of corners just lying around either. So it looks like he stays a corner to me.

I don't mean to knock the idea. I just want to better understand the pure gold comment.
In my league he was DB #72 while seeing some bench time ... I think with Woodson gone and their safety position in disarray Asomugha will almost never see the bench ...You cant go wrong with a DB on the field as much as Asomugha will be, especially considering what a sorry pass D the Raiders will have ... I also think he is a better tackler than generally thought ...

And he is typically undrafted, even in 40 man roster leagues ... note that Cracker agrees to an extent, having him at Dynasty DB #55 over Bly ...
I would suspect that with the drafting of Huff and Bing by teh raiders, the Asomugha theory goes out the window. He may well not even be on the roster when the season rolls around.
Wont Bing play LB and Huff play S? How does that impact Asomugha at CB, where he is their CB1?
 
Nnamdi Asomugha ... logging a lot of time in the Raider backfield = pure gold baby ...
:confused: Got some inside information for us? What makes you think he'll be more valuable this season?

To my eyes, he's never been a big play guy (zero picks in three seasons) and despite good size hasn't been overly impressive in run support. Or has he and his tackle numbers just not show it?

I've heard rumblings about him moving to safety for a couple of seasons now. He's not SS material and hasn't been played at safety over Schweigert in two seasons. The Raiders went to Renaldo Hill as their near the box run stopping DB in their bizarro nickel schemes last season. And the Raiders don't have a bunch of corners just lying around either. So it looks like he stays a corner to me.

I don't mean to knock the idea. I just want to better understand the pure gold comment.
In my league he was DB #72 while seeing some bench time ... I think with Woodson gone and their safety position in disarray Asomugha will almost never see the bench ...You cant go wrong with a DB on the field as much as Asomugha will be, especially considering what a sorry pass D the Raiders will have ... I also think he is a better tackler than generally thought ...

And he is typically undrafted, even in 40 man roster leagues ... note that Cracker agrees to an extent, having him at Dynasty DB #55 over Bly ...
I would suspect that with the drafting of Huff and Bing by teh raiders, the Asomugha theory goes out the window. He may well not even be on the roster when the season rolls around.
Wont Bing play LB and Huff play S?
:yes: No effect on Aso.

 
Nnamdi Asomugha ... logging a lot of time in the Raider backfield = pure gold baby ...
:confused: Got some inside information for us? What makes you think he'll be more valuable this season?

To my eyes, he's never been a big play guy (zero picks in three seasons) and despite good size hasn't been overly impressive in run support. Or has he and his tackle numbers just not show it?

I've heard rumblings about him moving to safety for a couple of seasons now. He's not SS material and hasn't been played at safety over Schweigert in two seasons. The Raiders went to Renaldo Hill as their near the box run stopping DB in their bizarro nickel schemes last season. And the Raiders don't have a bunch of corners just lying around either. So it looks like he stays a corner to me.

I don't mean to knock the idea. I just want to better understand the pure gold comment.
In my league he was DB #72 while seeing some bench time ... I think with Woodson gone and their safety position in disarray Asomugha will almost never see the bench ...You cant go wrong with a DB on the field as much as Asomugha will be, especially considering what a sorry pass D the Raiders will have ... I also think he is a better tackler than generally thought ...

And he is typically undrafted, even in 40 man roster leagues ... note that Cracker agrees to an extent, having him at Dynasty DB #55 over Bly ...
I would suspect that with the drafting of Huff and Bing by teh raiders, the Asomugha theory goes out the window. He may well not even be on the roster when the season rolls around.
Wont Bing play LB and Huff play S? How does that impact Asomugha at CB, where he is their CB1?
:bag: I was thinking that Asomugha played S. My bad.
 
What is the status of Rodney Harrison's rehab?
Rodney Harrison should be the #1A guy listed in this thread. You should be able to get him cheap, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he ends up being the #1 IDP. His rehab is ahead of schedule and he is expected to be ready to start the season.
 
the subject came up in the vilma thread of some IDP trades one of our teams has made in past few seasons...

i had in mind players like julius peppers & roy williams...

they had come off disappointing seasons (in some cases multiple ones)... peppers was gotten for a second & sixth...

roy involved a trade of bryan scott & swapping second rounders (we gave up higher)...

this thread partly overlaps with threads along the lines of buy low... the variant here is to target not just any player that is a buy low candidate (average, good, great)... but specifically go after superstars that are down for some reason or another one (identifiable ones are the best :) )...

in case of roy williams, his stats were impoverished for scheme-related reasons... he played a FS-type role with CB problems before 2005... with addition of CB anthony henry & terence newman playing with more confidence, he was freed up to return to playmaking SS role he does best & that parcells had vowed he would be returned to...

in peppers case he didn't develope as fast as some had hoped...

in dynasty/IDP leagues , there is always a variable distribution of scouting acumen & patience... sometimes smart guys that drafted a a guy in first place & correctly assigned value give up or undervalue a little sooner...

it helps to have trust in your scouting instincts to have confidence you have correctly identified talent & value & they are poised on cusp & threshold of a breakthrough...

another thing that prompted this post was more intended as interactive than didactic...

who ya got for those type of dudes for 2006 that similarly fit profile outlined above? :)

i think charles grant & ed reed fall into this category... grant especially parallels peppers here in that he is probably elite talent that may have fallen in estimation of some (bonus is howard moves on)... at least he is guaranteed cheaper this off-season than last... some dynasty players have short memories...

they may not be cheap... but fit theme of targeting monster players that won't be as expensive as they should be (can be gotten for second rounder, which wouldn't yield as stud of a corresponding rookie, which is also more risk as unproven)... smart owners will jump on that opportunity when it presents itself...

reed is probably not as cheap as williams was before 2005 after several mediocre seasons... but he could fit profile...
I have the following DL in Dynasty league..Grant

Abraham

K. Williams

Suggs

I start 2 and tackles are 2 pts with a bonus +5 for every 3...sacks are 5 with bonus +10 for every 3...

I was going to keep Grant and Abraham...You mentioned K. Williams could bounce back...who is in the best position to qualify as a keeper? Abraham is for sure and I was leaning for grant....But I particularly like Osi Uminora (sp) as a draft...should i forget about grant and pick Osi early in the draft?

 
the subject came up in the vilma thread of some IDP trades one of our teams has made in past few seasons...

i had in mind players like julius peppers & roy williams...

they had come off disappointing seasons (in some cases multiple ones)... peppers was gotten for a second & sixth...

roy involved a trade of bryan scott & swapping second rounders (we gave up higher)...

this thread partly overlaps with threads along the lines of buy low... the variant here is to target not just any player that is a buy low candidate (average, good, great)... but specifically go after superstars that are down for some reason or another one (identifiable ones are the best :) )...

in case of roy williams, his stats were impoverished for scheme-related reasons... he played a FS-type role with CB problems before 2005... with addition of CB anthony henry & terence newman playing with more confidence, he was freed up to return to playmaking SS role he does best & that parcells had vowed he would be returned to...

in peppers case he didn't develope as fast as some had hoped...

in dynasty/IDP leagues , there is always a variable distribution of scouting acumen & patience... sometimes smart guys that drafted a a guy in first place & correctly assigned value give up or undervalue a little sooner...

it helps to have trust in your scouting instincts to have confidence you have correctly identified talent & value & they are poised on cusp & threshold of a breakthrough...

another thing that prompted this post was more intended as interactive than didactic...

who ya got for those type of dudes for 2006 that similarly fit profile outlined above? :)

i think charles grant & ed reed fall into this category... grant especially parallels peppers here in that he is probably elite talent that may have fallen in estimation of some (bonus is howard moves on)... at least he is guaranteed cheaper this off-season than last... some dynasty players have short memories...

they may not be cheap... but fit theme of targeting monster players that won't be as expensive as they should be (can be gotten for second rounder, which wouldn't yield as stud of a corresponding rookie, which is also more risk as unproven)... smart owners will jump on that opportunity when it presents itself...

reed is probably not as cheap as williams was before 2005 after several mediocre seasons... but he could fit profile...
I have the following DL in Dynasty league..Grant

Abraham

K. Williams

Suggs

I start 2 and tackles are 2 pts with a bonus +5 for every 3...sacks are 5 with bonus +10 for every 3...

I was going to keep Grant and Abraham...You mentioned K. Williams could bounce back...who is in the best position to qualify as a keeper? Abraham is for sure and I was leaning for grant....But I particularly like Osi Uminora (sp) as a draft...should i forget about grant and pick Osi early in the draft?
these kind of questions can be tough to answer without knowing who you would be giving up to draft osi early (stud skill position player?)... but osi would definitely be a prize... i'm not sure if there is another young DE i would rather have in the entire league, including julius peppers... the frightening thing for nfc east defenses is he is still getting better and we don't know how high his upside is...
 

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