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ugh. really wish one of my contacts had panned out for you (I'll check in again and see if anything's changed)... but also would've likely meant moving somewhere.

hard to convince change/risk averse people to make changes or take risks... but what kind of work does she do? can she get similar work anywhere? is there a family connection to central FL? just trying to figure what's tying you there.
I appreciate that you tried.  If you want to hit them up again, I won't stop you.

Regarding the bolded: 

That's the thing....she hates what she does (So do I.  It's #### pay in a crooked industry) and got a degree in something else in an effort to get out of it.  That was in 2012.  It's 2017 now and she's still doing the same work. (It's a cocoon, IMO, which I have had discussions with her about.  Those are always fun.)  Nutshell: What she does currently is related to healthcare, so yeah she can do it from almost anywhere.  Much of this type of work has been, and will continue to be, off-shored though.  Because of that the compensation has steadily decreased, and will continue to do so.

Her parents live here.  Honestly, she isn't particularly close to them though, so other than the "safety of the familiar" and Florida being where she grew up (but not this part of it) there isn't a dead-nuts-lock good reason to have come back here.  Which was my argument from jump.

On the convincing risk averse folks to take risks:  You are correct.  We have had one discussion about that since I passed on the last job offer out West....and I made it abundantly clear that I won't ever be doing that again just because someone else is afraid to take a leap.  If something else as solid as that offer pans out elsewhere and I think it's worth it then I'm not passing again.  If that means she doesn't choose to accompany, that's a bridge I'll cross when I have to worry about crossing it.  Clock's ticking on my prime earning years.  Already feel like I burnt too many.

 
****

You and your family are a ####.

Ignoramus waved his #### at another soulless ginger who did not have a #### as far as we know.

**** Butkus can't do **** because he dicked up his brain while he was hitting people in the ####.

 
everyone has to have a hot take,  thats how we got 'session" beer.
Speaking of hot takes, crappy sports talk radio station 750 The Game hired Dino Costa to go up against Prime Time on The Fan.  I turned to 750 on a commercial break and this guy was just spitting the fiercest of hot takes known to man, attacking liberal Portland and vowing to bring the fire.  

This turd lasted 6 weeks in St. Louis.  I give him 4 in Portland.  

 
5-Ish.  Maybe I missed it, but what kinds of jobs are you looking for?  What field/industry?
I'm a digital artist, the last decade working on projects mainly for video games.  Graphic design, 3D models/animation, some UI work, basic mograph/effects work.  Have basic knowledge of web/interactive design as well.  I still do plenty of 2D/for print/marketing/branding work as a freelancer too.  Pretty much willing to do any of that.

####, at this point, I'm ready to do just about whatever if the pay is right.  That's the rub, tons of places want the skillset and exp. I have, but they want to pay me as if I don't have it.  "We need an art director who will work for production artist wages."  Yeah, well, I need a daily beej and a gold pi$$pot full of spending money, soooo......yeah.

Frustrating doesn't really begin to explain it, but that's where I'm at.  I've been joking I should just go learn to drive garbage trucks.  Rather than wasting time joking I should have probably just done it.  Figure there's still a few years left before the robots start doing that.

 
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####, at this point, I'm ready to do just about whatever if the pay is right.  That's the rub, tons of places want the skillset and exp. I have, but they want to pay me as if I don't have it.  "We need an art director who will work from production artist wages."  Yeah, well, I need a daily beej and a gold pi$$pot full of spending money, soooo......yeah.
that's been the same for my wife in fashion.

ads read just right for her wealth of experience- except they say 1-2yrs of experience... which is code for "we're going to cheap the #### out of you".

 
Sorry to hear, 5-ish.  I'm not good for much of anything advise related, so I'd just skip reading anything after this, but....

Would it at all be possible to get a job as a bartender or server to kill time and help with the bills?  I know that's probably the last thing anybody ever wants to do, but, the money can be good, the time goes by fast and it's a pretty good way to network yourself into a job you DO want to do.  It's my fallback plan anytime I find myself unencumbered by employment because I've done it before, I can make good money if I hustle and I like to talk to people, so it wouldn't take long before somebody I waited on might have a job opening or know somebody with a job opening for a nice guy who didn't **** up their order or their drink.  Think of it as a life raft that keeps you afloat until you get to land.

Remember the source; in fact, I hope you skipped all that.  

 
that's been the same for my wife in fashion.

ads read just right for her wealth of experience- except they say 1-2yrs of experience... which is code for "we're going to cheap the #### out of you".
This.  Precisely.  Almost verbatim.

At first I wouldn't apply to those at all.  After a few months of no leads I started to.  Almost never get calls.  I've gotten bolder the longer it's been without steady work and have started asking how they really expect to land anyone who can remotely meet their needs with so little experience.  I have yet to receive a legit explanation.

 
Wife's a photographer.  The money there is abysmal compared to the work involved.  Unless you are some fancy wedding photographer who can charge out the nose, but then you're dealing with brides, mothers of brides and all sorts of stressed out people.  Hard pass.

Not like my wife is going back to work anytime soon with 179 **** kids.

 
This.  Precisely.  Almost verbatim.

At first I wouldn't apply to those at all.  After a few months of no leads I started to.  Almost never get calls.  I've gotten bolder the longer it's been without steady work and have started asking how they really expect to land anyone who can remotely meet their needs with so little experience.  I have yet to receive a legit explanation.
dunno if you've tried this, but when I was out of work I started reaching out to firms I liked who were hiring people obviously Jr. I'd say something along the lines of- love your work, know you're not hiring my level right now, but would really enjoy getting a chance to meet you guys and see what you're up to. got some great interviews out of this and one fantastic job (a month or two after this "informational" interview). I think talking to firms when there wasn't any stress over the hiring part- for either party- made for a nice way to get a feel for each other.

 
Wife's a photographer.  The money there is abysmal compared to the work involved.  Unless you are some fancy wedding photographer who can charge out the nose, but then you're dealing with brides, mothers of brides and all sorts of stressed out people.  Hard pass.

Not like my wife is going back to work anytime soon with 179 **** kids.
kid #####

kid ****

##### kids

****'s kids

eta: ok... feeling a little gross after that.

 
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I'm not good for much of anything advise related, so I'd just skip reading anything after this, but....
It's fine.  I appreciate any and all input.

Technically anything is "possible."  In this area?  Fairly unlikely, given that I have never actually bartended (did get training for it 1,000 years ago).  There's, like, 2 drinking establishments in this flyspeck.

I have tried getting something local just to chip away at things.  Anything. Costco, Lowe's, local retail, etc.  Totally rebuffed so far.  Very, very small town here with no prospects for the natives, so even openings like that are scarce.  Most anyone who is living here long-term aren't quitting jobs like that because it's the best they can ever hope to land.  Plus, I'm an "outsider."  Pretty provincial here.

Anyway, don't mean to sound like I'm shouting you down (I'm not).  Just that I've been trying the kind of angles you're bringing up too and still getting the middle finger.

 
dunno if you've tried this, but when I was out of work I started reaching out to firms I liked who were hiring people obviously Jr. I'd say something along the lines of- love your work, know you're not hiring my level right now, but would really enjoy getting a chance to meet you guys and see what you're up to. got some great interviews out of this and one fantastic job (a month or two after this "informational" interview). I think talking to firms when there wasn't any stress over the hiring part- for either party- made for a nice way to get a feel for each other.
I have tried this once or twice this go 'round between gigs.  Lots of studios have an "open submission for talent" sort of portal, so even if they aren't hiring they take resumes/portfolios.  It's what I did with the place out West that actually gave me the offer (have a friend working there too, which helps).

I could certainly do it more.  Nothing to lose, really.

 
I'm a digital artist, the last decade working on projects mainly for video games.  Graphic design, 3D models/animation, some UI work, basic mograph/effects work.  Have basic knowledge of web/interactive design as well.  I still do plenty of 2D/for print/marketing/branding work as a freelancer too.  Pretty much willing to do any of that.

####, at this point, I'm ready to do just about whatever if the pay is right.  That's the rub, tons of places want the skillset and exp. I have, but they want to pay me as if I don't have it.  "We need an art director who will work for production artist wages."  Yeah, well, I need a daily beej and a gold pi$$pot full of spending money, soooo......yeah.

Frustrating doesn't really begin to explain it, but that's where I'm at.  I've been joking I should just go learn to drive garbage trucks.  Rather than wasting time joking I should have probably just done it.  Figure there's still a few years left before the robots start doing that.
sorry man.  

 
It's fine.  I appreciate any and all input.

Technically anything is "possible."  In this area?  Fairly unlikely, given that I have never actually bartended (did get training for it 1,000 years ago).  There's, like, 2 drinking establishments in this flyspeck.

I have tried getting something local just to chip away at things.  Anything. Costco, Lowe's, local retail, etc.  Totally rebuffed so far.  Very, very small town here with no prospects for the natives, so even openings like that are scarce.  Most anyone who is living here long-term aren't quitting jobs like that because it's the best they can ever hope to land.  Plus, I'm an "outsider."  Pretty provincial here.

Anyway, don't mean to sound like I'm shouting you down (I'm not).  Just that I've been trying the kind of angles you're bringing up too and still getting the middle finger.
You have a little bit of a Catch-22 going, it sounds like. You have set up camp in a rural Florida backwater (and I realize that happened for familial reasons) because you don't have a job, but there are no jobs in said backwater.

Tough situation.

 
You have a little bit of a Catch-22 going, it sounds like. You have set up camp in a rural Florida backwater (and I realize that happened for familial reasons) because you don't have a job, but there are no jobs in said backwater.

Tough situation.
Kind of.  I never remotely thought I'd find anything of substance in Polk Co. FL.  We "set up camp" here because of her family and it was at least centrally located between a couple of much larger markets.  The rub there is that the Orlando and Tampa markets both suck.....which I already knew, and pointed out again and again.  We'd lived in/around them for 15 years prior, and I had to find a job in Illinois that let me work remote to make real money for half of that time.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up about it now.  This is why I normally don't do this here.  I just end up feeling like I'm #####ing/raging against the machine and nobody else needs that crap.  It'd have been quicker for me to just post "I'm in a sucky situation that I foresaw 1000%, found a decent way out of it that I passed on because I'm apparently too nice of a guy, I'm pissed off at myself about it, and am pretty much resenting my wife."

 
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Yeah, Finkelsteiner, you and your wife (any kids?) need to move. 

You're unemployed and she hates her job.  Maybe it is still in FL (Tampa, Miami, etc) but I don't see how staying will be the answer. Maybe find another cheaper state (Tennessee, Nevada, idk) with better job opportunities.

GL

 
I'm a digital artist, the last decade working on projects mainly for video games.  Graphic design, 3D models/animation, some UI work, basic mograph/effects work.  Have basic knowledge of web/interactive design as well.  I still do plenty of 2D/for print/marketing/branding work as a freelancer too.  Pretty much willing to do any of that.

####, at this point, I'm ready to do just about whatever if the pay is right.  That's the rub, tons of places want the skillset and exp. I have, but they want to pay me as if I don't have it.  "We need an art director who will work for production artist wages."  Yeah, well, I need a daily beej and a gold pi$$pot full of spending money, soooo......yeah.

Frustrating doesn't really begin to explain it, but that's where I'm at.  I've been joking I should just go learn to drive garbage trucks.  Rather than wasting time joking I should have probably just done it.  Figure there's still a few years left before the robots start doing that.
I'm not sure if they cover your field, but check out a company called Business Talent Group.  They help find contract jobs for people in a number of fields.  https://businesstalentgroup.com/

In general I would look for companies like this.  It will be easier to find a contract/project based job while you are unemployed.  I am sure you have been looking in that direction, but I would really exhaust all you can in finding companies like BTG for your field of work.  Once you get your foot in the door on a project and you prove yourself, you will have a better opportunity for full time permanent employment.  Your wife should probably be more open to moving, though.  That sounds like a big obstacle.

 
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Yeah, but because you ARE a nice guy, people in here want to help.  Nobody wants to see a fellow GMTANer having a rough go of it.  So vent away and don't ever worry about dragging this place down.  For christ's sake, we've spent over a 100 pages arguing about condiments in here.  

PS, the corndog picture you drew me was so good i kept it.  You're talented.

 
Yeah, but because you ARE a nice guy, people in here want to help.  Nobody wants to see a fellow GMTANer having a rough go of it.  So vent away and don't ever worry about dragging this place down.  For christ's sake, we've spent over a 100 pages arguing about condiments in here.  

PS, the corndog picture you drew me was so good i kept it.  You're talented.
There wasn't ketchup on it, was there?

 
Here is another - PwC Talent Exchange.  https://talentexchange.pwc.com/  These are obviously just going to be PwC projects, but it's the same concept.  If you have skills they are looking for for a specific project it could be a good opportunity and an easier way to find work, even if its just a 5 month project.

 
I'm not sure if they cover your field, but check out a company called Business Talent Group.  They help find contract jobs for people in a number of fields.  https://businesstalentgroup.com/

In general I would look for companies like this.  It will be easier to find a contract/project based job while you are unemployed.  I am sure you have been looking in that direction, but I would really exhaust all you can in finding companies like BTG for your field of work.  Once you get your foot in the door on a project and you prove yourself, you will have a better opportunity for full time permanent employment.  Your wife should probably be more open to moving, though.  That sounds like a big obstacle.
Good wives are easier to find than good jobs.  Ezekiel 14:5

 
Not sure about that.  I'm single. I often think about my future wife and how lax she's been about getting in touch with me.
My wife is never lax about getting in touch with me. Now when it comes to actually touching me, I might as well be a leper.

 
Speaking of hot takes, crappy sports talk radio station 750 The Game hired Dino Costa to go up against Prime Time on The Fan.  I turned to 750 on a commercial break and this guy was just spitting the fiercest of hot takes known to man, attacking liberal Portland and vowing to bring the fire.  

This turd lasted 6 weeks in St. Louis.  I give him 4 in Portland.  
The only thing worth it on 750 is Dan Patrick. Everyone else can suck bags of ****

 
I don't want to upset the good karma of this thread so could someone direct me to the appropriate thread for venting about the misuse of the words "bias" and "biased?" Hugs.

 
Sketch tourists walking around Orlando for money.  Make it funny.  Find a new wife.  ????  Profit.
Hey, I can sketch cobalt as easy as corndogs and my wife's BFF lives near Portland, so that'd be an easier sell for a move.  Let your CEO know.  We could develop a full-on brand package.  Make cobalt more relatable with an iconic avatar, etc. 

"Hey, kids! I'm Cobie Cobalt.  My atomic # is 27 and the most-est important thing for you all to remember is that I'M NOT THAT ####### ####### TUNGSTEN!!!!"

 
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