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We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
No idea.

Just seems really contrived insisting people come to work to use the space, when we have a shortage of affordable housing.

I realize one can’t just wave a wand to change commercial to residential RE, but I’m guessing there’s ways it could happen.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
The problem with electrical is getting each unit on its own meter. Giant PIA
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
The problem with electrical is getting each unit on its own meter. Giant PIA
Sure, but it's also a giant PITA to have 30,000 sq ft sitting empty and not generating revenue. Retrofits wouldn't be cheap but they'd pay for themselves pretty quickly.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
The problem with electrical is getting each unit on its own meter. Giant PIA
Sure, but it's also a giant PITA to have 30,000 sq ft sitting empty and not generating revenue. Retrofits wouldn't be cheap but they'd pay for themselves pretty quickly.
I get it. And am all for it.

My family bought 3 interconnected warehouse buildings in DTLA in 1980. We turned them into 26 separate loft living units. It’s where I grew up. The biggest hurdle from a cost and inspection perspective was installing separate water and power meters. So much so that we didn’t do it. Water and power remained on one system. You were billed based on. The size and occupancy of your unit. One had to accept this set up in teh lease. It worked for. A mom and pop shop. Doubtful that it would for a multi hundred/thousand unit building. :shrug:
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
It's not so much the difference in codes, but the difference in customers demands. Most people leasing 2000 sf office aren't going to require 3 baths, w/d laundry room and full kitchen. Retrofitting that to any code will be extremely costly. It was an absolute deal like when I researched it about a decade ago and I'm pretty sure it's be a lot more expensive now.
As far as electrical, you could do an all bills lease and save boatloads.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
First of all, you spend about 50% of the building's value retrofitting plumbing to get up to code for residential occupancy.
And electrical
In states have gone to the IBC instead of the UBC, the residential codes and commercial codes aren't all that different. Yeah, you need to add some showers/baths to commercial spaces, but other than that it isn't all that difficult to convert it. Electrical wouldn't be a major change.

Is the cost worth it to rent out residential space instead of letting commercial space sit empty? Right now that's the issue I'm seeing commercial owners dealing with. It's borderline.
The problem with electrical is getting each unit on its own meter. Giant PIA
Sure, but it's also a giant PITA to have 30,000 sq ft sitting empty and not generating revenue. Retrofits wouldn't be cheap but they'd pay for themselves pretty quickly.
I get it. And am all for it.

My family bought 3 interconnected warehouse buildings in DTLA in 1980. We turned them into 26 separate loft living units. It’s where I grew up. The biggest hurdle from a cost and inspection perspective was installing separate water and power meters. So much so that we didn’t do it. Water and power remained on one system. You were billed based on. The size and occupancy of your unit. One had to accept this set up in teh lease. It worked for. A mom and pop shop. Doubtful that it would for a multi hundred/thousand unit building. :shrug:
Gotcha.
 
Well, we don't really need to send kids to school to get an education but we do so because they need the socialization.

Grownups need it too. This working from home is not helping us socialize. It's good for you to go mingle with people you hate and long for a lunch break.

We run the risk of turning into hermits.

I agree, but I dont need the corporation I work for looking after my social health. I can do that on my own, and without having to sit in traffic 2 hours a day.
 
We have a commercial real estate crisis in this country. The easiest fix is to force folks back into the office to justify the expense. I promise you, the last thing this country needs is a real estate crash.
My company owns its own home office. They're definitely using "in-person collaboration" as some BS excuse to justify having everyone that just happens to live close to the home office come in 3 days a week. I VERY rarely "collaborate" with anyone in person when I'm at my office. It's incredibly unfair.

They need to justify the expense of having a home office. It's not "free". There is somebody somewhere examining every expense and asking for a breakdown of people using the office to keep it open and maintain the costs associated with that....utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

It might be shareholders it might be a board it might be equity holders - the higher ups want financial justification for keeping the lights on in this building.

It's a math problem.
You may be right, but forcing people to come in to use unnecessary commercial real estate is pretty absurd, particularly when you consider our concomitant housing crisis.

ETA I see @rockaction covered it

Who pays the owners of the buildings for the new occupants who will live there? The occupants or?

I like the idea just wondering how this works financially.
No idea.

Just seems really contrived insisting people come to work to use the space, when we have a shortage of affordable housing.

I realize one can’t just wave a wand to change commercial to residential RE, but I’m guessing there’s ways it could happen.
Funny because I actually work IN affordable housing.
 
Well, we don't really need to send kids to school to get an education but we do so because they need the socialization.

Grownups need it too. This working from home is not helping us socialize. It's good for you to go mingle with people you hate and long for a lunch break.

We run the risk of turning into hermits.
Meh. There are numerous other ways to form social networks, and I’m not talking about electronic social media. Minus unnecessary work commutes, there should be even more time for meaningful human interaction.

Also, while some home schoolers do OK, I think we do need to send most kids to school.
 
I have a plan to turn my local mall into senior living. You wouldn't need to get rid of all the retail; I imagine Walgreens would love to be on-site. Plenty of room for urgent care, too, which might save a few ER visits. The majority of the vast parking lot would be converted to a par-three golf course, pickleball, etc. The main retrofitting challenge might not be plumbing, but windows. Folks are going to insist on those, too.
 
I have a plan to turn my local mall into senior living. You wouldn't need to get rid of all the retail; I imagine Walgreens would love to be on-site. Plenty of room for urgent care, too, which might save a few ER visits. The majority of the vast parking lot would be converted to a par-three golf course, pickleball, etc. The main retrofitting challenge might not be plumbing, but windows. Folks are going to insist on those, too.
I'm not a senior yet, but I do agree that they will want windows.
 
I have a plan to turn my local mall into senior living. You wouldn't need to get rid of all the retail; I imagine Walgreens would love to be on-site. Plenty of room for urgent care, too, which might save a few ER visits. The majority of the vast parking lot would be converted to a par-three golf course, pickleball, etc. The main retrofitting challenge might not be plumbing, but windows. Folks are going to insist on those, too.
forget windows. just give me the golf and a killer arcade.

wonder how the mall conversions in Illinois are working out https://archive.ph/ponEA -
 
I have a plan to turn my local mall into senior living. You wouldn't need to get rid of all the retail; I imagine Walgreens would love to be on-site. Plenty of room for urgent care, too, which might save a few ER visits. The majority of the vast parking lot would be converted to a par-three golf course, pickleball, etc. The main retrofitting challenge might not be plumbing, but windows. Folks are going to insist on those, too.
This is a great idea.
 
Oldest graduates from college on Sunday. Two ceremonies on tap then a small celebration at his place. Anybody curious what one does with a double major in sociology and Spanish the answer is: move to Spain and teach English. :lmao:

Better than any ideas I came up with at that age. Go get 'em, kid.
I have 2 friends our age that did this. One in Spain one in Japan. Spain guy ended up at Georgetown as a professor. Japan guy married a Japanese girl ended up in HI teaching at punaho (beugie private school that Obama went too) Both very happy.
 
Oldest graduates from college on Sunday. Two ceremonies on tap then a small celebration at his place. Anybody curious what one does with a double major in sociology and Spanish the answer is: move to Spain and teach English. :lmao:

Better than any ideas I came up with at that age. Go get 'em, kid.
I was gonna guess become a barista so yeah his option is much better
 
Oldest graduates from college on Sunday. Two ceremonies on tap then a small celebration at his place. Anybody curious what one does with a double major in sociology and Spanish the answer is: move to Spain and teach English. :lmao:

Better than any ideas I came up with at that age. Go get 'em, kid.
it's a lovely country
 
Oldest graduates from college on Sunday. Two ceremonies on tap then a small celebration at his place. Anybody curious what one does with a double major in sociology and Spanish the answer is: move to Spain and teach English. :lmao:

Better than any ideas I came up with at that age. Go get 'em, kid.
it's a lovely country

I've never been. Hell, I've never been anywhere outside of Canada and some border towns of Mexico, so I'm hoping to get over to Spain for a visit. He spent a semester there last year and fell in love with it.

I have been to 49 of the 50 US states, though. Almost like going to Spain.
 
Oldest graduates from college on Sunday. Two ceremonies on tap then a small celebration at his place. Anybody curious what one does with a double major in sociology and Spanish the answer is: move to Spain and teach English. :lmao:

Better than any ideas I came up with at that age. Go get 'em, kid.
it's a lovely country

I've never been. Hell, I've never been anywhere outside of Canada and some border towns of Mexico, so I'm hoping to get over to Spain for a visit. He spent a semester there last year and fell in love with it.

I have been to 49 of the 50 US states, though. Almost like going to Spain.
Spain in AMAZING
 
Roverkid unsurprisingly broke up with her boyfriend who moved to NY to live with her last year. She'll be solo for her senior year and moving back to EVil. @El Floppo know anyone renting a 1 BR for a year?

She also just got an invitation from the International Emmys (who she interned with last year) to apply to intern again running their social media. She'll get to go to the gala and awards show if she gets it.
 
While there are a lot of good things back home, my sister still is in dire need of getting her life together.

The good. She's physically doing great. She walks every day. She is doing part time volunteer work at a homeless shelter / mission house which keeps her on a regular schedule and she is now actually getting paid to work in their food cart which helps fund the project. Food is one of her passions so this is a good fit. On the surface these are all good things.

The bad. After you get past her physical improvements, etc. She doesn't have a car. She is still 2.5 hours away from her kids (two are now in college but they are home for the summer). We had a heart to heart over the weekend and she is sabotaging her relationship with out mother because she can't cope with the fact her current situation is of her own doing. She is throwing my mom under the bus to several people in the community. My mother's friends and yoga students, our aunts. My mother has probably already spent $50,000 to $65,000 on my sister over the past five years....maybe more. She bailed her out of back due rent ($8,000). She paid $250 a month for a storage until for five years in which nothing was really needed. Food, gas, cell phone bill, spending money....it's been a lot. And now my sister thinks my mom should buy her a car. My mom bought an Audi convertible after my dad died, 9 years ago as sort of mid life crisis, coming of age present to herself. She deserved it and she likes it and it's her second car. It's probably all that practical now because she doesn't use it that much. But my sister is pissed that my mom won't sell it in order to buy her a car.

Any way...it's really hard to be supportive, empathetic and sympathetic towards my sister while defending our mother. Is my mom perfect, no. She has sort of hard edge to her and she's not all that nurturing or emotionally available or deep, but that's how she was raised and you aren't going to change her at this point at 79. She's more than happy to let my sister stay with her and be a part of her life which she now also shares with her partner...they've been together for 7 years now. He lives in Michigan but then spend probably 7 to 8 months out of the year living together.

I have no idea how this is all going to work out but it's painful to see my sister live with my mom and take advantage of all the things she's provided meanwhile my sister blames her for the situation she's in while talking **** and making her out to the bad person in all of this.

Thanks for letting me rant.
 
Dang, man. Glad you got to be home for a bit and I know your nephews enjoy having your around - all smiles when I see the pics! But that's rough to watch your sister continue to spiral at the expense of her kids and your mom.

You sure you don't want to get that beer at Breakside after our Sat morning round?
 
One of my GF's best friends just moved back to our town after 25+ years in San Diego and Arizona. I've been told I have to befriend her boyfriend since he doesn't know anyone here. Playing golf today for this man-date.

My last round was embarrassingly bad. This may not turn out well.
 
blog post update:
  • Hack is now single - not interested in dating or getting on the apps. Welcome to "Summer of Hack"
  • Hack/GM disc golf cornhole scheduled for Saturday morning.
  • My nephews are amazing. Was just home for a few days and got to spend some time with them.
I’ll pm you when I get out there on 7/19. @General Malaise, interested in a cornhole?

Thought you'd never ask....
 

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