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krista4
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Sometimes I don't understand the GMTAN aesthetic. I didn't see any responses to this, yet I found it awesome.So a girl I knew in high school just posted a Facebook status asking if you can make chicken in a crockpot.My proposed response: "Absolutely, in fact, your wall has inspired me to make a big batch of crockpot chicken right now."
Congrats to Bogart, SLB/CSB/CFB, etc. for your achievements. 
cosjobs, no Subaru as a possibility, or are you not lesbian enough?
Marvin
Footballguy
(blows out)
I might need somebody to talk me down. Or push me forward.
I'm not sure I want to be a teacher any more.
First off I knew going into this job 16-17 years ago that I would never make a lot of money. I've never really had a problem with that. There have been lean years. While my pay is steady my wife's is not (commission/bonus). My benefits are also pretty nice...but not as nice as they used to be.
I went into teaching because I never saw myself just earning a paycheck. I'm not a huge idealist or romantic but I always wanted a job that I new made a difference no matter how small. I also don't need a lot of praise. I'm self-aware enough to know when I've done something right. I actually blanch a little when I'm complimented by parents or students.
I still love teaching. The 45 minutes I'm in the classroom is still my favorite part of the job. Actually teaching kids. That's why I got into this profession. But for the last few months I've felt like it just isn't enough.
Let's get down to brass tacks.
I said above that I've never really let it bother me that I don't make a ton of money. For some reason it's been getting to me lately. Part of it has to do with the fact that I'm sick and tired of worrying about finances 3 or 4 times a year. It's never anything really drastic but I have come to hate knowing how little money is left at the end of the month...if any.
I've also been much more aware of other people around me and their jobs. One of my brothers has about 2 years of college credit to his name and makes more than twice what I do. My sister went to 'business college' for about 3 months and makes 30k more than me. My other brother has a Bachelor's degree and probably makes the most out of all of us. I just keep thinking that I could have done better.
Saturday night I was talking to a guy at a wedding. He's 27. I think he has an AA in something like Firefighting Science or whatever. He's got a damn good job at a local construction company supervising projects. Another guy I know who is about that age does the same job for another company. I think their starting salary is about 20k more than what I make. And this guy has a BA in communications or something.
The 27 year old was telling me that one of the local drilling companies is hiring like crazy. Supervisor-type positions and the like. Starting salary is $103k. WTF. His brother-in-law has a degree in Special Ed and was hired on last year at that rate.
Now I know that their jobs are a lot more "work" than mine...10 hour days starting at 5am and crap but they're not exactly breaking rocks.
There are other things that have been bothering me too. Like I said above I'm used to people thinking teachers are lazy and schools are screwed up. I spend more time than I should arguing with jackasses that devalue education. But I wasn't aware of how wide spread those attitudes are.
We've got this bond issue we're pushing. It's pretty ambitious but the bottom line is that if it passes property taxes in my district will go up anywhere from $3-$7 per month...PER MONTH. My district is one of the least state-funded districts in Calif. And although it is a 'one hand washing the other' situation one of the reasons why property values are high in my district is the schools. Real estate agents love to put the name of our schools in their listings.
But you wouldn't believe the people I've talked to when I did some phone banking.
"I don't have kids in those schools. What do I care?"
"You people waste too much money already."
"No. Those schools are fine. You can always put up portables."
ETC
Even in one of the best districts in the state people don't value education enough to pay the equivalent of a freaking Starbucks a month so the kids in the school down the street can sit in a classroom that wasn't built in 1960.
I know I'm rambling but I really haven't talked to anyone else yet.
Bottom line is that I've really started to think about seeing if there was any way, at my age and with my lack of real-world experience, I could land a much higher paying job.
Christ, I don't know.
I might need somebody to talk me down. Or push me forward.
I'm not sure I want to be a teacher any more.
First off I knew going into this job 16-17 years ago that I would never make a lot of money. I've never really had a problem with that. There have been lean years. While my pay is steady my wife's is not (commission/bonus). My benefits are also pretty nice...but not as nice as they used to be.
I went into teaching because I never saw myself just earning a paycheck. I'm not a huge idealist or romantic but I always wanted a job that I new made a difference no matter how small. I also don't need a lot of praise. I'm self-aware enough to know when I've done something right. I actually blanch a little when I'm complimented by parents or students.
I still love teaching. The 45 minutes I'm in the classroom is still my favorite part of the job. Actually teaching kids. That's why I got into this profession. But for the last few months I've felt like it just isn't enough.
Let's get down to brass tacks.
I said above that I've never really let it bother me that I don't make a ton of money. For some reason it's been getting to me lately. Part of it has to do with the fact that I'm sick and tired of worrying about finances 3 or 4 times a year. It's never anything really drastic but I have come to hate knowing how little money is left at the end of the month...if any.
I've also been much more aware of other people around me and their jobs. One of my brothers has about 2 years of college credit to his name and makes more than twice what I do. My sister went to 'business college' for about 3 months and makes 30k more than me. My other brother has a Bachelor's degree and probably makes the most out of all of us. I just keep thinking that I could have done better.
Saturday night I was talking to a guy at a wedding. He's 27. I think he has an AA in something like Firefighting Science or whatever. He's got a damn good job at a local construction company supervising projects. Another guy I know who is about that age does the same job for another company. I think their starting salary is about 20k more than what I make. And this guy has a BA in communications or something.
The 27 year old was telling me that one of the local drilling companies is hiring like crazy. Supervisor-type positions and the like. Starting salary is $103k. WTF. His brother-in-law has a degree in Special Ed and was hired on last year at that rate.
Now I know that their jobs are a lot more "work" than mine...10 hour days starting at 5am and crap but they're not exactly breaking rocks.
There are other things that have been bothering me too. Like I said above I'm used to people thinking teachers are lazy and schools are screwed up. I spend more time than I should arguing with jackasses that devalue education. But I wasn't aware of how wide spread those attitudes are.
We've got this bond issue we're pushing. It's pretty ambitious but the bottom line is that if it passes property taxes in my district will go up anywhere from $3-$7 per month...PER MONTH. My district is one of the least state-funded districts in Calif. And although it is a 'one hand washing the other' situation one of the reasons why property values are high in my district is the schools. Real estate agents love to put the name of our schools in their listings.
But you wouldn't believe the people I've talked to when I did some phone banking.
"I don't have kids in those schools. What do I care?"
"You people waste too much money already."
"No. Those schools are fine. You can always put up portables."
ETC
Even in one of the best districts in the state people don't value education enough to pay the equivalent of a freaking Starbucks a month so the kids in the school down the street can sit in a classroom that wasn't built in 1960.
I know I'm rambling but I really haven't talked to anyone else yet.
Bottom line is that I've really started to think about seeing if there was any way, at my age and with my lack of real-world experience, I could land a much higher paying job.
Christ, I don't know.
cosjobs
Footballguy
Damn Tanner, sorry for your burdens and dilemmas. No advice yet, I need to think on it a while.
How old are your kids?
How strong are your Bakersfield ties?
I will say I appreciate the service you do as much as the military. Teachers here in Texas are just really getting #### on. The lack of respect, the unreasonable demands and class sizes. Working in a system the handcuffs what they can do and marginalizes their chance to excel, usually alienating all the best ones and then they change careers.
You are so smart and clever, I would think you could find something else rewarding, but your clock sure is ticking.
Do you have some point or number of years that would greatly affect your pension/retirement or whatever at your current job? I would think in CA you would have some really good benefits in that area. If you hung in x number of years you could retire and get a good monthly check and then pursue something else?
How old are your kids?
How strong are your Bakersfield ties?
I will say I appreciate the service you do as much as the military. Teachers here in Texas are just really getting #### on. The lack of respect, the unreasonable demands and class sizes. Working in a system the handcuffs what they can do and marginalizes their chance to excel, usually alienating all the best ones and then they change careers.
You are so smart and clever, I would think you could find something else rewarding, but your clock sure is ticking.
Do you have some point or number of years that would greatly affect your pension/retirement or whatever at your current job? I would think in CA you would have some really good benefits in that area. If you hung in x number of years you could retire and get a good monthly check and then pursue something else?
Marvin
Footballguy
My youngest son is graduating HS tomorrow. Older boy is 19. Moving out of town probably isn't an option. Upside down on our mortgage etc. According to legend the best time to retire is 61 or 62. That's 17 years from now for me. Right now I don't really give a #### about "rewarding". I've done that for 16 years. I'm pretty sure I could work for a company that makes baby cribs out of lead paint and asbestos and deal with it. One other thing I was thinking of. The state owes our district at least $18 million in funding. There's a good chance we'll never see that. If certain tax related props don't pass in this upcoming election things will be even more screwed. They're talking about furlough days for next year. It could work out to something like a 3% cut in pay.Once again I'm not trying to complain too much about how little I'm paid but that kind of stuff just pisses me off. I'd rather work in the private sector and have my salary based on my own work/merits and not based on the failures of a bunch of jagoffs in Sacramento.
cosjobs
Footballguy
What about your state pension? how long til u max that out?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Tanner, sorry to hear about your troubles at work.
Guster
Footballguy
I work in the private sector and wish my salary were based on my own work/merits. Not saying your situation doesn't suck - it absolutely does - just that sometimes the grass looks greener because someone decided to spray paint it. If you had to work for a living, but regardless of what profession you chose, you would make the same salary and benefits and work the same hours, what would you do?
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Professional game show contestant?
Fluffer? The pay's not great but you make up for it in tips
Fluffer? The pay's not great but you make up for it in tips
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Tanner, that sucks. I have to say, though, that you might really miss teaching if you were to quit. Practically every day you post in the FFA about something funny that happened to you at work -- you made fun of a kid, a kid made fun of you, etc. I've been a lawyer for 11 years now and nothing funny ever happens to me at work. The people around me all act like grownups. Yes, people may crack a joke once in a while, but the jokes aren't immature and stupid, they're generally formulaic and stupid. And virtually my entire day is spent alone in my office not interacting with anyone.
I don't know the extent to which most jobs are like my job, but I tend to think the percentage is pretty high. When I read your stories about teaching, I always think "I wish I was doing that." Even though I'm sure I make more than you do, I envy your career choice. I can see how the money issues would bother you. But life on the other side might just suck even worse.
I don't know the extent to which most jobs are like my job, but I tend to think the percentage is pretty high. When I read your stories about teaching, I always think "I wish I was doing that." Even though I'm sure I make more than you do, I envy your career choice. I can see how the money issues would bother you. But life on the other side might just suck even worse.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
You should be a bartender in the Hamptons.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
I am not sure he can pass the "Can you make this CLOUDY COLD??" test.Tanner, sorry to hear about the upcoming issues at school. How would they furlough teachers?? Everyone rotates to cover the other classes? Given the potential impending financial crisis, any chance they will be offering early retirement to the more senior teachers?? My mom was a teacher and was able to get out with full pension 7 years early I think.You should be a bartender in the Hamptons.
FWIW, if you're somewhat competent and willing to sacrifice a lot of time for 2 years, you can really make into the $200+ range.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Marv, you're really making me double think my decision to get into education.
How about administration? Any interest in moving up within education?
How about administration? Any interest in moving up within education?
Gadzooks
Footballguy
OH BULL####
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Crazy Canuck
Footballguy
Humanities college positions?
Positions are so scarce and the labor pool is so flooded that you need a PhD and publications (like a book) to get a community college gig now. And it generally still pays like crap. If he wanted to adjunct, sure, they'd hire him in a second. 70% of academia are adjuncts - paid by the class. But then he'd be in my position, which is even worse financially than his present situation.I'm not sure if you taught in the sciences, Pack, but I do know the sciences and humanities are vastly different. The private sector hires people with biology degrees, so the labor pool for academia stays reasonable, which translates to less stressful and demanding positions. Professors have leverage. If their gig is awful, they can always leave for a corporate job paying three times as much.
Teaching the humanities is totally different. The private sector isn't hiring people with English or history degrees, so the labor pool is flooded with people trying to get teaching positions and jobs are at a premium, leading to departments making insane demands of the teachers they have (the new trend is hiring only 1 year temp positions and making people reapply to their own job every year - I have a friend who does this and stresses out every May because of it. She has no idea if she'll have a job or be fighting again for what little positions are out there). It's even worse than Tanner's issues with high school. It pays about the same (unless you're a somewhat famous historian working at a private college), they overwork you with course loads, and they pressure you constantly to publish and present at conferences ("publish or perish"). It's awful.
Tanner> Yea, stay away from academia. But if you get a beat on one of these 100K jobs that would actually hire a dude with 2 humanities grad degrees, let me know. I'd take it in a heartbeat and the wife would love to move back to Cali. Also, she read your post this morning right before rushing out to work. She sends her sympathies. Especially for the part about the devaluation of education in the public mind. I'll never forget the time during the Scott Walker fiasco when she accidentally turned on FOX news to hear the talking heads rip teachers as lazy and entitled. She just broke down and cried. It was awful.
Crazy Canuck
Footballguy
It is worth noting that drilling positions aren't exactly safe. See the BP Gulf case, for example. They underfunded maintenance, refused to listen to safety demands, and instead pressured supervisors to keep working anyway. This did not end well.
Gadzooks
Footballguy
Tanner, here is my 2 cents sense (spelled wrong as a tibute to GM)
All that matters in life is that you do what makes you and your hot wife happy. Nothing else matters. You said the 45 minutes you spend actually "teaching" is the best part of your day then keep doing that IF that outweighs all the other negative BS that goes along with your job. If the negative outweighs the positive then move on and do something that will make you happier. And don't let money dictate your decision.
I love you.
All that matters in life is that you do what makes you and your hot wife happy. Nothing else matters. You said the 45 minutes you spend actually "teaching" is the best part of your day then keep doing that IF that outweighs all the other negative BS that goes along with your job. If the negative outweighs the positive then move on and do something that will make you happier. And don't let money dictate your decision.
I love you.
It it safer than teaching, of course not...but it's not exactly handling rattlesnakes. Regulations have gotten much stiffer after that incident, and you have onshore; which is deemed a lot less risky (although still there is risk) than offshore.
Marvin
Footballguy
I have zero ambition to become an admin. If I was going to invest the time and money to get a graduate degree I would go into the private sector.
Gadzooks
Footballguy
I said I love you.
Marvin
Footballguy
I love you too. Teaching is the best part of my work day. But even that isn't what it used to be.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Typical teacher
Marvin
Footballguy
You want me to work for less money and have to talk about Jeebus?
Corky
Footballguy
There's plenty of good schtick there. Around here, private school teachers make more. Forgot you're in the California.
Marvin
Footballguy
Well around here the only private schools are Christian/Catholic and they make less money. We don't have no Choates or Deerfields or Dead Poets Academy.
Corky
Footballguy
Apologies, O Captain, my Captain.
Crazy Canuck
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Those of us whose kids are in your classes know how valuable good teachers are, and we appreciate the impact you have on our kids, the work you do, and how important it is to both our kids and society as a whole. :awkwardmanhug:Now quit yer #####in and get back to work.
Marvin
Footballguy
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
:(
The grass is always greener GB. Every year about this time I get sort of depressed and very jealous of teachers. I've been doing this job for 21 years now, much longer if you include all the time I put in as a kid, and I wish I had more free time and feel I could do without the money. When the kids are in school, there are days I don't even see them because I'm gone before they wake up and come home when they are sleeping. Thanks to you and all of the other good teachers, it takes a special kind of person to do your job.
Maybe you could announce MLB games during the summer. I hear that pays pretty well.
The grass is always greener GB. Every year about this time I get sort of depressed and very jealous of teachers. I've been doing this job for 21 years now, much longer if you include all the time I put in as a kid, and I wish I had more free time and feel I could do without the money. When the kids are in school, there are days I don't even see them because I'm gone before they wake up and come home when they are sleeping. Thanks to you and all of the other good teachers, it takes a special kind of person to do your job.
Maybe you could announce MLB games during the summer. I hear that pays pretty well.
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Marvin
Footballguy
I hear you. My kids are basically adults now. I would be a huge hit at announcing MLB games."Sooo...coming up to bat is...um, how do you say that? Texy-era? Tashara? Anyway, Mark T is up to bat. He's batting like .260 so far. I wish I could get paid $22 million to succeed 1/4 of the time. Annnnd he pops out to left. Good job, Gaylord. What? Another Jimmy Dean plug? Christ. And that will bring Derek Jeter up to bat. Hey, Tim...did I ever tell you about the geek I knew online that counted down ever Derek Jeter hit? Total homo, right?"
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
Uh oh.Actually I missed this post so GD here's a'krista4 said:Sometimes I don't understand the GMTAN aesthetic. I didn't see any responses to this, yet I found it awesome.So a girl I knew in high school just posted a Facebook status asking if you can make chicken in a crockpot.
My proposed response: "Absolutely, in fact, your wall has inspired me to make a big batch of crockpot chicken right now."
from me.I'm not sure what I achieved other than my highest level of lust to date, and that's really saying something, but thanks!'krista4 said:Congrats to Bogart, SLB/CSB/CFB, etc. for your achievements.
'krista4 said:
Marvin
Footballguy
Beats me. The funny thing is that life is pretty decent. Wife, kids, marriage, cats, dogs etc are all good. Right now the only thing that I'm not satisfied with is my bank account.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
male escort
Marvin
Footballguy
Not at all. Pretty sure I stated that I just wanted a job that paid better and that I would be willing to work my ### off at it.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Winnah.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Tanner: :(
I have no advice, I've been at the same place forever. I've had a few interviews and close calls for moving on without looking too hard and I take online courses to hopefully add to my marketability. But holy crap am I lazy.
Edit: I keep hoping a really rich relative of mine will buy me a golf course (with bar of course) to run. #pieinthesky
I have no advice, I've been at the same place forever. I've had a few interviews and close calls for moving on without looking too hard and I take online courses to hopefully add to my marketability. But holy crap am I lazy.
Edit: I keep hoping a really rich relative of mine will buy me a golf course (with bar of course) to run. #pieinthesky
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