Officer Pete Malloy
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California liquor laws are pretty sweet except bars closing at 2am.
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
That dance needs to go on PIP.I have an explanation, but it won't make a dent in how dorky that is, and I really needed to lighten the mood after my long post.
YSR
Footballguy
The last three places I've lived (Atlanta, Greenville, SC and Jacksonville) all sold both in supermarkets. Sure, at times there were restrictions on Sundays, but you could at least get everything you needed in one trip. I've been to two separate stores in Knoxville since Sunday and neither has wine. Not the end of the world, per se, but I need a little bit of a bone thrown my way at this point.
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Is this code?
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Just put on something slutty when Jasper gets home from dinner.
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Now having the "Cat Shirt Bob" conversation. I hate you facebook.
Tribulation
Footballguy
'Dungeon Master said:
We'll need a summary, preferably on your Facebook wall. I'll take a PM.
Samuel L Bronkowitz
Footballguy
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
Actually it went surprising well. wife "Hey, so someone named Cat Shirt Bob commented on a picture of Ben on facebook. Friend of yours?"me "yep"wife "Some weird internet friend?"me "yep"wife "what kind of name is Cat Shirt Bob?"me "I guess he didn't want to use his real name."wife "so what, he just wears a cat shirt all day and calls himself cat shirt bob?"me "I guess"wife "I'm so glad he can see pictures of our kids"me "he's a good dude"wife "alright, if you say so"'Dungeon Master said:
krista4
Footballguy
Responding to Tecumseh, Tribulation, and YSR, and THANKS to everyone for the advice:
Zack oversees a few different areas and is OK at some aspects of his job. He's a good trademark lawyer, which is important to our business. He is extremely hard-working and is well liked in general. Unfortunately in two areas (substantiation of marketing claims and large contracts) that are key to his job, he has shown some pretty bad weaknesses. My boss attributes this to both a lack of knowledge and an inability to show attention to detail and thoroughness. He also said without saying that he thinks Zack doesn't haven't the mental firepower necessary.
I have seen some of this but don't have enough interaction to know for sure if it is fixable. He was providing a lot of support to the India deal I was working on for several months this year, and when we would have meetings with our boss it was clear that we were always several steps ahead of him. He's such an agreeable guy that he would often say he understood something but then his work would reflect something completely wrong. And in terms of attention to detail, he was pretty horrible. I ended up taking over several things on both this and a large division sale we did earlier in the year because it was just easier, and given how busy he always is anyway he saw that as a good thing.
I poked and prodded to see if it's a lack of resources or something else that could give a good explanation. Gun to my head I'd say that Zack probably doesn't have what it takes to be really successful in the company BUT there is a part of me that thinks there is a possibility he could do better if not dealing with our boss, who is notorious for being the most difficult person in the company to work for. If you are lacking in confidence, as Zack can be, it kind of feeds on itself to work for this guy and spirals downward. On the other hand, Zack's been a lawyer for at least 10 years longer than I have, and there's something to the idea that he couldn't adapt his practices enough at this point.
It would undoubtedly be easier for me from a "getting the work done" POV just to get someone new as I could measure exactly what I needed and hire appropriately. The training involved would be minimal compared to getting someone to change his performance so dramatically.
Tribulation (who is this? redman maybe?), you make a lot of good points. Even though my boss is a badass generally, he wimps out when it comes to firing anyone. Zack will definitely get a nice severance package if he leaves--the company's actually pretty good about that.
You guys are really being helpful; thanks again. Another long post, and I don't have any more embarrassing videos to post.
Zack oversees a few different areas and is OK at some aspects of his job. He's a good trademark lawyer, which is important to our business. He is extremely hard-working and is well liked in general. Unfortunately in two areas (substantiation of marketing claims and large contracts) that are key to his job, he has shown some pretty bad weaknesses. My boss attributes this to both a lack of knowledge and an inability to show attention to detail and thoroughness. He also said without saying that he thinks Zack doesn't haven't the mental firepower necessary.
I have seen some of this but don't have enough interaction to know for sure if it is fixable. He was providing a lot of support to the India deal I was working on for several months this year, and when we would have meetings with our boss it was clear that we were always several steps ahead of him. He's such an agreeable guy that he would often say he understood something but then his work would reflect something completely wrong. And in terms of attention to detail, he was pretty horrible. I ended up taking over several things on both this and a large division sale we did earlier in the year because it was just easier, and given how busy he always is anyway he saw that as a good thing.
I poked and prodded to see if it's a lack of resources or something else that could give a good explanation. Gun to my head I'd say that Zack probably doesn't have what it takes to be really successful in the company BUT there is a part of me that thinks there is a possibility he could do better if not dealing with our boss, who is notorious for being the most difficult person in the company to work for. If you are lacking in confidence, as Zack can be, it kind of feeds on itself to work for this guy and spirals downward. On the other hand, Zack's been a lawyer for at least 10 years longer than I have, and there's something to the idea that he couldn't adapt his practices enough at this point.
It would undoubtedly be easier for me from a "getting the work done" POV just to get someone new as I could measure exactly what I needed and hire appropriately. The training involved would be minimal compared to getting someone to change his performance so dramatically.
Tribulation (who is this? redman maybe?), you make a lot of good points. Even though my boss is a badass generally, he wimps out when it comes to firing anyone. Zack will definitely get a nice severance package if he leaves--the company's actually pretty good about that.
You guys are really being helpful; thanks again. Another long post, and I don't have any more embarrassing videos to post.
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Tribulation
Footballguy
Yes. Wait 'til she sees his pictures.
Does she know who Soda Popinski is?
Sarnoff
Footballguy
Definitely a bit of culture shock when I moved here from blue-law Connecticut. Used to be, I could only buy certain alcohol from certain stores at certain times on certain days. Now? Now I know which CVS Pharmacy has the good wine selection. Now I can buy a six-pack of beer at a gas station (how is this not DUI entrapment?). I remember last time the Lakers were in the finals, the local sports bar was filled to capacity, and I learned three things:'Officer Pete Malloy said:
1) The local How's Grocery store had its own "wine bar"
2) The wine bar had a big screen TV
3) They sold everything at the shelf price. If you wanted a beer, and they didn't have it in stock at the wine bar, the bartender would walk to the beer aisle and pull a sixer out of the cooler. Then he'd pull out a calculator and divide by six. Amstel Light for a buck-fifty a bottle? Yes please. It was like a full-time happy hour.
krista4
Footballguy
There's a wine bar in the Whole Foods on North Avenue. God how I miss that. Maybe I should be the one to take a severance package and move back.
YSR, I know you're right but don't want to admit that. I adore Zack. Kills me that he was the first person I saw and chatted with after the boss talked to me this evening, too.
YSR, I know you're right but don't want to admit that. I adore Zack. Kills me that he was the first person I saw and chatted with after the boss talked to me this evening, too.
YSR
Footballguy
dharmapunk
Footballguy
Frosty> You should have mentioned Bob's average daily alcohol consumption. You know, paint him as that weird but harmless drunk internet uncle. This is my plan when the wife comes asking.
K4> Wow. I freely admit I'm out of my league here, and can't match the advice already given by Red, Frosty, and others. However, if you ever give a ride home to one of your hot 19 year old blond interns, and she directs you to a bar instead and before exiting asks you to spooge on her face, I'm your man with all your answers.
K4> Wow. I freely admit I'm out of my league here, and can't match the advice already given by Red, Frosty, and others. However, if you ever give a ride home to one of your hot 19 year old blond interns, and she directs you to a bar instead and before exiting asks you to spooge on her face, I'm your man with all your answers.
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-fish-
Footballguy
that's homer
-fish-
Footballguy
we really need someone doing summaries.
dharmapunk
Footballguy
This is starting to become thread worthy, full of posts with texting transcripts for our humorous deconstruction.
dharmapunk
Footballguy
Old old story from one of my first years teaching. Don't think it's in the GMTAN or even posted from this account. I'll retell it tomorrow. The missus just went to bed I've got to hurry for some nookie before she falls asleep.
dharmapunk
Footballguy
she wants to see this
You MUST get a pic of this girl, some how, some way.
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1. I'm so glad my wife is cool and laid back. Most of my friends wive's are as well. I cringe at some of the #### I read on here.
2. GB living in a town that loves to drink. Stupid time/day/location restrictions on booze are ridiculous
3. Sucks to be in that situation Krista. Good luck with whatever happens.
2. GB living in a town that loves to drink. Stupid time/day/location restrictions on booze are ridiculous
3. Sucks to be in that situation Krista. Good luck with whatever happens.
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Yeah. That doesn't sound fixable.Any chance to arrange a transfer back to Chicago for the guy?
-fish-
Footballguy
here you goshe wants to see this
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Jesus
Tecumseh
Footballguy
I'm losing track- is that Knuckles?here you goshe wants to see this
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
I have like 6 screener DVDs of that. PM if you want one.she wants to see this
-fish-
Footballguy
I'm losing track- is that Knuckles?here you goshe wants to see this
Notorious T.R.E.
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Just go to a bar, friend. That's what you need anyway.'krista4 said:
-fish-
Footballguy
I'm seeing it at a theater tomorrow night. I can't imagine I'll want to see it again, or that I'll even survive to do it if I wanted to.I have like 6 screener DVDs of that. PM if you want one.she wants to see this
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Huh. Looks like a PTA mom.I'm losing track- is that Knuckles?here you goshe wants to see this
charvik
Footballguy
This is key to me. Your boss is looking to you to show you are management material and solve his "problem", ie firing Zack. It sounds to me that you know the guy isn't cut out for the job, but you like him and are weighing that into the picture.This is business, nothing personal, and it sounds like the guy will be well taken care of, have an option to go back to his family in Chicago, and wouldn't suffer too much.
The only option I would even consider would be to work out a deal with Zack, where he can leave on good terms with the company (saving face and industry reputation), while still getting a decent severance. That would allow him to return to a better location for him to succeed, while getting rid of your problem.
Retaining him, after a demotion and PIP would likely kill any friendship anyway. I can't imagine a PIP looks good on his track record either.
Just my $0.02
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I guess you haven't told her about our upcoming "kidfights" (name in progress).Actually it went surprising well. wife "Hey, so someone named Cat Shirt Bob commented on a picture of Ben on facebook. Friend of yours?"me "yep"wife "Some weird internet friend?"me "yep"wife "what kind of name is Cat Shirt Bob?"me "I guess he didn't want to use his real name."wife "so what, he just wears a cat shirt all day and calls himself cat shirt bob?"me "I guess"wife "I'm so glad he can see pictures of our kids"me "he's a good dude"wife "alright, if you say so"'Dungeon Master said:
Dungeon Master
Footballguy
I forgot about how weird you are.I guess you haven't told her about our upcoming "kidfights" (name in progress).Actually it went surprising well. wife "Hey, so someone named Cat Shirt Bob commented on a picture of Ben on facebook. Friend of yours?"me "yep"wife "Some weird internet friend?"me "yep"wife "what kind of name is Cat Shirt Bob?"me "I guess he didn't want to use his real name."wife "so what, he just wears a cat shirt all day and calls himself cat shirt bob?"me "I guess"wife "I'm so glad he can see pictures of our kids"me "he's a good dude"wife "alright, if you say so"'Dungeon Master said:
charvik
Footballguy
Also, don't underestimate the increased workload with the new position. Do you really think you will have time to train someone to do a job he already feels he can do, plus the fact that he most likely views himself (wrongly, but still) as your senior.
General Malaise
Footballguy
What, do you want them to fly? They're boobs, not floating devices.floppy boobs'General Malaise said:
krista4
Footballguy
She has the crazy eyes!here you goshe wants to see this
How did you not see this?!?! Or was that what attracted you in the first place?
General Malaise
Footballguy
That's what Cosjobs wanted to see with me in Portland.she wants to see this
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
I haven't read any of the books that Krista already posted but has she warned this dude of the impending PIP? Can you tell him to figure his #### out or he's ####ed? Most slackers know they suck, fyi. (Frosty>hi)
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh my god Rover, MOVE! NOW!She has the crazy eyes!here you goshe wants to see this
How did you not see this?!?! Or was that what attracted you in the first place?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
You misspelled awesome. Do you need an Erin pic?FYI - Springsteen on Palladia.I forgot about how weird you are.I guess you haven't told her about our upcoming "kidfights" (name in progress).Actually it went surprising well. wife "Hey, so someone named Cat Shirt Bob commented on a picture of Ben on facebook. Friend of yours?"me "yep"wife "Some weird internet friend?"me "yep"wife "what kind of name is Cat Shirt Bob?"me "I guess he didn't want to use his real name."wife "so what, he just wears a cat shirt all day and calls himself cat shirt bob?"me "I guess"wife "I'm so glad he can see pictures of our kids"me "he's a good dude"wife "alright, if you say so"'Dungeon Master said:
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-fish-
Footballguy
I know she has the crazy eyes. It's a package deal. Have you noticed that I drink a lot? After a crappy 10-year marriage and a 3-year divorce/hiatus from women, I was willing to overlook the fact that this chick may be a serial killer.She has the crazy eyes!here you goshe wants to see this
How did you not see this?!?! Or was that what attracted you in the first place?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
She has the crazy eyes!here you goshe wants to see this
How did you not see this?!?! Or was that what attracted you in the first place?
This is her at her best.Similar threads
