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Guster
Footballguy
Started watching the show on Friday. I've already made it through the first two sedons
proninja
Footballguy
I think I made it about 15 minutes into one episode, had no idea why anybody would voluntarily spend time watching the show, and haven't seen it at all since. I admit I have been tempted to try watching it again, as people seem to love it.
Guster
Footballguy
The girl I'm dating likes the show. I'm trying to catch up so we can watch it together and drink
bentley
Footballguy
You can do it with many local credit unions, also. Don't buy into the monster megabank BS.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Mad men isnt a15 minutes at a time show. Its got great character development, some funny lines and a cool backdrop for a show that hasn't been done to death like cops,lawyers, families in a suburb or friends who live in a city. I didn't love it right away, I don't have much urge to watch reruns, and I haven't watched an episode yet this season, but im looking forward to it
proninja
Footballguy
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
I don't believe anyone smart could dislike Mad Men.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Yep, that'll do it.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
SofaKings
Footballguy
Somedays people jump on the bridge, somedays the bridge jumps into the water.
Woogie Lee
Footballguy
$5 here'Kendall_z said:Had to donate a buck
Marvin
Footballguy
This makes me like the show even more.
Marvin
Footballguy
This makes me like show even morer.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I totally made it up to get a response out of Tanner. I didn't expect these other guys to pile on.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Marvin
Footballguy
I sent him $100**I made the bills out of cardboard.$5 here'Kendall_z said:
Marvin
Footballguy
Marvin
Footballguy
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
krista4
Footballguy
Wasn't going to bring this up during baseball chat, but since I'm already full of sunshine and puppies and unicorns...
Had a meeting with my boss Monday. Remember Zack/Zach/Zacque, my best friend at work who was going to be fired and I'd take over his group? It's happening on Thursday. Now I have to spend time with my boss and HR figuring out my part in talking to him and getting him on board with his extremely generous severance package, while still (for me) remaining his friend and (for the company) being a good soldier to try to make him not make waves, as well as getting his team to buy into the change. So now I've been asked to contact him immediately after this happens to try to facilitate the solution, like within an hour of his being given the news. Effin yay.
Some people here had great advice when I was first dealing with this. If you have any advice at all--particularly on the questions of "when did you know" or "can you help me save my job"--they are welcomed.
Had a meeting with my boss Monday. Remember Zack/Zach/Zacque, my best friend at work who was going to be fired and I'd take over his group? It's happening on Thursday. Now I have to spend time with my boss and HR figuring out my part in talking to him and getting him on board with his extremely generous severance package, while still (for me) remaining his friend and (for the company) being a good soldier to try to make him not make waves, as well as getting his team to buy into the change. So now I've been asked to contact him immediately after this happens to try to facilitate the solution, like within an hour of his being given the news. Effin yay.
Some people here had great advice when I was first dealing with this. If you have any advice at all--particularly on the questions of "when did you know" or "can you help me save my job"--they are welcomed.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Sucks. How good a friend? I think any question along the lines of how long you knew has to be addressed with "Look, you know I can't get into the details and I would hope as a friend you won't make this situation any more difficult than it needs to be".
krista4
Footballguy
That's really a good response--thank you. I'd say he's my best friend at work.ETA: actually that doesn't answer your question. Best friend at work but not super-close. He moved about six months before I knew about it , for instance.
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krista4
Footballguy
Thanks. Problem is that I will also be "the man " representing the company here. So acting like I've tried to save him undercuts the company and my boss. And I should have mentioned, I can't lie. :(I'm thinking of deflecting questions by answering a different question, while not lying. For instance, the answer to when did you know is, "xxx [boss] and I discussed on Monday" (true). On the save my job question, I can't come up wih anything better than explaining why it's best for him, me, and the company. But I'm totally open to ideas,
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charvik
Footballguy
ummm... not a fan of Baseball chat, but I might stick around some anyway, depending on work schedule.There are TONS of interesting things to do in and around Copenhagen, and early June should be a good time to visit. I lived there for a while, and grew up about 45 mins away, on the other side of the bridge/ferry, so I've spent a lot of time there.I'm thinking of it. Would just be a few days, June 7-10. But while I'd love to get your thoughts on it, even more so I just missed seeing you around. Hope maybe you'll stay. Would more baseball chat entice you? :XI had a forced vacation from the board for giving advice. Apparently it's frowned upon to be direct.
I haven't been back since, and probably wouldn't have returned if it weren't for somebody emailing me that you asked where I've been. Is the Copenhagen trip coming up?
Just off the top of my head, and I can follow up with more specifics when it's getting closer:
Strøget is a must, if for nothing else, just for shopping and people watching. Plenty of bars and Smørrebrød/lunch restaurants around (The Royal Cafe is good, or Husmanns Vinstue for traditional food). I'll post some favorites later. I'd do Tivoli Garden as well, which is kind of like an old-fashioned amusement park, but very well planned, laid back and worth a visit.
I'd go to Royal Copenhagen and Arne Jacobsen as well. For shopping Illum might interest, since it also gives some opportunity for people watching.
For art, Glyptoteket is nice, but up the coast about 45 minutes or so away is Louisiana, which generally has excellent quality in their exhibits. I'd have to check their exhibit program though, as they roll their exhibits frequently.
Nyhavn has a great deal of restaurants and bars, ranging from classic to modern. Excellent spot on the far east side of Strøget.
Of course, there's also the Carlsberg tour I am fond of, or the casino, pubs, beer halls, etc...
I'm sure I'll think of more when I haven't pulled a 16 hour day (and still going)...
charvik
Footballguy
not quite the right time talking vacations. 
charvik
Footballguy
kevzilla
Footballguy
You're an ethical lawyer? Your days are full of unicorns already.
Sorry I'm not more help. Perhaps he would be interested in property management in Nicaragua.
krista4
Footballguy
I'll send you a PM so as not to bore anyone ***cough***baseball chat*** but have also been researching areas in which to stay and such, as well as restaurants of course. I'll be on my own but am still considering a visit to Noma because...c'mon.ummm... not a fan of Baseball chat, but I might stick around some anyway, depending on work schedule.There are TONS of interesting things to do in and around Copenhagen, and early June should be a good time to visit. I lived there for a while, and grew up about 45 mins away, on the other side of the bridge/ferry, so I've spent a lot of time there.I'm thinking of it. Would just be a few days, June 7-10. But while I'd love to get your thoughts on it, even more so I just missed seeing you around. Hope maybe you'll stay. Would more baseball chat entice you? :X
I haven't been back since, and probably wouldn't have returned if it weren't for somebody emailing me that you asked where I've been. Is the Copenhagen trip coming up?
Just off the top of my head, and I can follow up with more specifics when it's getting closer:
Strøget is a must, if for nothing else, just for shopping and people watching. Plenty of bars and Smørrebrød/lunch restaurants around (The Royal Cafe is good, or Husmanns Vinstue for traditional food). I'll post some favorites later. I'd do Tivoli Garden as well, which is kind of like an old-fashioned amusement park, but very well planned, laid back and worth a visit.
I'd go to Royal Copenhagen and Arne Jacobsen as well. For shopping Illum might interest, since it also gives some opportunity for people watching.
For art, Glyptoteket is nice, but up the coast about 45 minutes or so away is Louisiana, which generally has excellent quality in their exhibits. I'd have to check their exhibit program though, as they roll their exhibits frequently.
Nyhavn has a great deal of restaurants and bars, ranging from classic to modern. Excellent spot on the far east side of Strøget.
Of course, there's also the Carlsberg tour I am fond of, or the casino, pubs, beer halls, etc...
I'm sure I'll think of more when I haven't pulled a 16 hour day (and still going)...
krista4
Footballguy
You're an ethical lawyer? Your days are full of unicorns already.
not such a bad idea.
charvik
Footballguy
sucky day... sorry GBK4...Well, I've done this too many times, almost to the point that it doesn't bother me anymore, which actually would've bothered me if I wasn't such a heartless drunken *******. The added complexity here is the "friendly" nature with the person being let go. Unfortunately, that relationship may not be salvageable, at least not short-term.What I've found is keeping things short and sweet is the way to go. Also to keep it focus on the business reasons, and not get involved in any personal side bars.I don't remember the exact details about Zach, but if I'm not too far off it was all performance related(?).I would make sure to get the feedback from your boss/HR, if possible, to get a heads up on his reaction. After that I would be very direct with him, helping him understand that the severance package is very nice, the decision is made and nothing can change it now, and while it sucks for him right at this moment it's always better to part ways amicably. I'm not sure how your firm handles severance packages, but I would assume there are caveats for behavior, and stipulations to be upheld in order for it to trigger? I wouldn't state that, unless things get ugly, but if HR has done their jobs, he should already be aware. He should have a vested interest in making things transition smoothly as well.I would make sure not to be apologetic, as you have done nothing wrong. If he had been a top performer, he would not have been let go. If anything I'd lead off with it being "an unfortunate situation", but then immediately focus on moving forward. His team will be going through a transition as well, and unless he was a horrible boss, he should want to treat them well, another motivating factor for him. "How can we help the team transition, and not cause concerns?" (BTW, you should already have a plan for that, which should/could be modified based on his input) That deflects the discussion onto the team, not his situation...Do you have reason to believe he would ask if you tried to save his job?I hope the rambling made at least a little sense, after
while posting and writing proposals...
charvik
Footballguy
I wouldn't mind breaking up baseball chat with, well anything really... Noma is indeed awesome, there's a reason it's considered one of the best in the world. For those wondering: http://www.noma.dk/main.php?lang=enCurrent menu:
That menu should run around $440 or so, if going with their wine pairings (which is a no-brainer)ETA: I'd probably make reservations now, just to make sure, or you'd be looking at a lunch reservation. Nothing wrong with lunch, I just prefer the slower pace over dinner.
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charvik
Footballguy
wrt hotels...
Hotel D'Angleterre is good, but almost Paris pricy, probably around $300/night, but you might enjoy Hotel Skt Petri, which is very modern, and also offers special programs for women traveling alone. Might be worth exploring for around $200-ish/night. (Hotel Vesterbro has the same <$150). Not super knowledgeable about hotel choices since I've always had apartments available to me.
Hotel D'Angleterre is good, but almost Paris pricy, probably around $300/night, but you might enjoy Hotel Skt Petri, which is very modern, and also offers special programs for women traveling alone. Might be worth exploring for around $200-ish/night. (Hotel Vesterbro has the same <$150). Not super knowledgeable about hotel choices since I've always had apartments available to me.
krista4
Footballguy
This actually is all very sensible and helpful. Glad you showed up here for a minute.sucky day... sorry GBK4...Well, I've done this too many times, almost to the point that it doesn't bother me anymore, which actually would've bothered me if I wasn't such a heartless drunken *******. The added complexity here is the "friendly" nature with the person being let go. Unfortunately, that relationship may not be salvageable, at least not short-term.What I've found is keeping things short and sweet is the way to go. Also to keep it focus on the business reasons, and not get involved in any personal side bars.I don't remember the exact details about Zach, but if I'm not too far off it was all performance related(?).I would make sure to get the feedback from your boss/HR, if possible, to get a heads up on his reaction. After that I would be very direct with him, helping him understand that the severance package is very nice, the decision is made and nothing can change it now, and while it sucks for him right at this moment it's always better to part ways amicably. I'm not sure how your firm handles severance packages, but I would assume there are caveats for behavior, and stipulations to be upheld in order for it to trigger? I wouldn't state that, unless things get ugly, but if HR has done their jobs, he should already be aware. He should have a vested interest in making things transition smoothly as well.I would make sure not to be apologetic, as you have done nothing wrong. If he had been a top performer, he would not have been let go. If anything I'd lead off with it being "an unfortunate situation", but then immediately focus on moving forward. His team will be going through a transition as well, and unless he was a horrible boss, he should want to treat them well, another motivating factor for him. "How can we help the team transition, and not cause concerns?" (BTW, you should already have a plan for that, which should/could be modified based on his input) That deflects the discussion onto the team, not his situation...Do you have reason to believe he would ask if you tried to save his job?I hope the rambling made at least a little sense, after
You're right about keeping answers short, as well as focusing on business entirely.It's certainly all performance-related, which might lead to your other question of why "saving him" might have come up. I don't have a huge amount of business interaction with Zack, but I know he works very hard. He might think that, if I were a "real" friend, and knowing I have a lot of influence with our boss, I might try to keep him in the junior position we are now creating In lieu of his job. I think he could volunteer to take that position (reporting to me, one level down from where he was), especially because our boss is known as an ####### and many people like a buffer from him. I can't let him vie for that job as we need someone stronger in the position.You're totally on target in terms of emphasizing the severance and encouraging that. It's extremely generous and in fact I pitched our boss to let me go instead. Again as you anticipated, there would be ramifications to not taking it and making a fuss instead.Every sentence I type on this stupid iPad takes at least 4x as long as normal.
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krista4
Footballguy
Love this. Thanks for this and everything else. Copenhagen chat activated!
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charvik
Footballguy
Beats baseball chat any day!
charvik
Footballguy
oof, yeah, that one is tricky... Why would he be aware of the new position though?If he does go that route, that might be where it'll be impossible to salvage the "work-friendship". You can't afford to have a B-player in that type of role, especially one challenged to perform.
I again would go a direct route, saying that you need/want somebody young/hungry/driven that can be groomed into your role, when you are ready to leave. The way I always view things is that I want people directly underneath me to eventually replace me. and B-players have no place in a role like that. I have used the bolded in the past when letting somebody "down" more gently. He should get the gist of it, I would think.
charvik
Footballguy
Well, that came off a little dickmitten-ish, but like previously stated:
ETA: I guess I should either stop drinking, stop writing this proposal or just shut down altogether, because I just called the CTO for a very large Oilfield Service Provider a dickmitten in my executive overview.
ETA: I guess I should either stop drinking, stop writing this proposal or just shut down altogether, because I just called the CTO for a very large Oilfield Service Provider a dickmitten in my executive overview.
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Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Ok, so me and the new girl were texting back and forth tonight. She's a retail manager with an 8 year old kid, so her free time is limited to 3 hour windows at best.
But during some texts tonight, it was revealed that she's completely free on Friday night and wants to hang out. I responded excitedly and one of her replies was that she still had to be at work at 8am Saturday...this girl is cool as a cucumber.
So right now I'm asking for feedback on the response I sent. Two female friends I was hanging out with tonight saw it and I got a 50/50 response. The preceding texts were confirming Friday night (sans child) but she qualified it with the whole 8am work on Saturday morning.
Here it is:
Ok, I should probably reply with some sweet and nice kinda thing, but #### that. I'm gonna drop you off at 7:58 Saturday morning with insane hair and a spectacularly bad attitude and painfully sore legs. and we'll both be happy. Sound good?
I'm saying it's money.
But during some texts tonight, it was revealed that she's completely free on Friday night and wants to hang out. I responded excitedly and one of her replies was that she still had to be at work at 8am Saturday...this girl is cool as a cucumber.
So right now I'm asking for feedback on the response I sent. Two female friends I was hanging out with tonight saw it and I got a 50/50 response. The preceding texts were confirming Friday night (sans child) but she qualified it with the whole 8am work on Saturday morning.
Here it is:
Ok, I should probably reply with some sweet and nice kinda thing, but #### that. I'm gonna drop you off at 7:58 Saturday morning with insane hair and a spectacularly bad attitude and painfully sore legs. and we'll both be happy. Sound good?
I'm saying it's money.
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