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How is Orb this big of a favorite based on one race? Especially one on a muddy track? The field at even money to win seems sensible here.
Derby winners who win as odds on favorite (if Orb wasn't the favorite, he was close) almost always enter Pimlico as heavy favorites. And they tend to do quite well. Smarty Jones, Big Brown come to mind. And the Florida Derby has traditionally been a great prep race, which Orb won. He has been strong all year and winning on a wet track is nothing to sneeze at. He's won at dry tracks. His works have been sharp. He's going to command a crap ton of wagering action from Joe Six Pack.

History is really in his corner here. But I'm with Cosjobs....there's no value and no fun in just betting heavy chalk. That said, he's going to be really hard to beat tomorrow and I will include him in the exotics.
I count 23 horses that have won both in history, out of a 100-some races. Mind you, more horses have done it recently, and if you take the most favorable sample possible, 8 have done it in the last 15 years. But in the 15 years prior to that, 2 have done it.

And given the two statements bolded above, which are true, I think just a straight fade of Orb makes sense. It just seems like way too much is being hung on the Derby result, which, while obviously a big race, is just one data point.

Then again, I know #### about horse racing.

Field +100 (5 Dimes) - 1 Truck Unit
Yeah, statistics tend to work better for other sports. Horse racing is a nuanced sport and at the end of the day, these are ANIMALS.

Traditionally, the Triple Crown races feature the VERY best 3 year olds. But this hasn't been a very good crop. Only a handful of Derby horses are even racing in this one. Some of the top contenders burned out before the Derby for various reasons, so Orb doesn't have a lot of obstacles standing in his way. This race is even shorter than the last one, so if Orb continues to show his form, he'll be there at the end.

And yes, the Derby was one race, but you have to look at his preps. The Florida Derby has historically been a very good prep race. He won that one with minimal effort. Fountain of Youth, he came late to win in the end (that's what she said).

On the surface, it would seem taking 8 other horses at near even money is a great bet. But Orb is 4-5 for a reason. Big Brown, Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, Rachel Alexandra...all heavy heavy favorites that won their race. Barbaro was also a heavy favorite, but we know what happened to him. :(

Horse racing has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, Need to bear that in mind.

 
How about we keep the Superfecta ticket as is, and then - for those inclined - we can play Charlie on the side if we want to. Deal?
My thought is we play your horse to keep from the I-told-you angle you've been playing and if we want we play the booted horse on the side.My irritation is you were fine with the plan all day during chat, then as soon as it was settled you started throwing out other ideas.Just checked with DD...sounds like we,re doing the original play. I'll have to put something on YOUR HORSE too. Lets win!
Yeah, I accept and understand that criticism. But, we had 27 hours until the race. I'm not used to banging the gavel on a race that far away from post time and I'm certainly not accustomed to being chastised for continuing to talk about it, especially if I see something in the form I hadn't seen prior. I didn't really sink my teeth into this until last night. It's a process and sometimes, things come to light the more you sit with it. That's why I typically don't put my bets in until the horses are heading to the gate. But I'm totally fine with our play, I like it. As I said last night, I'll have my own plays too. Sorry what i said bothered you, I'll tread more lightly around you as it seems I'm always a pubic hair away from pissing you off.

 
If you want to beat Orb, you have some solid options and if he gets beat, the payday will be really nice. However, history really favors him. Derby winners that come to Baltimore as heavy favorites tend to do rather well....except for Barbaro, but there's a reason for that. So you almost have to include him.

Something like 9 of the last 11 Preakness races have had new horses in the field hit the board. That bodes well for the newbies, but which one? Departing and Governor Charlie make the most sense to me.

Then it's finding the Derby Horses that can maybe factor in the money...Itsmyluckyday was my Derby horse, but he pooped the bed. I'm not sure he can win this, but if he can find the form he had in Florida, he can hit the board. Mylute intrigues me with that finish and that jockey. Will Take Charge was running stride for stride with Orb, but got checked in the stretch by Veranzano and had to alter course.

Goldencents I can't get a good read on. Fired a 105 Beyer, which is fantastic. But just sucked eggs in the Derby. Flash in the pan or dangerous horse? Don't really know.

If it is wet tomorrow, I think the syndicate should huddle up on chat.
This is completely Greek to me, and yet he can't install Netflix. Freakin' savant.
:lmao:

 
My current office is a mile and a half away and would be perfect for biking. But we are moving in a month to an office that's a mile away from my old house and five miles from this one. :wall:That said, the new office is next to the convenience store where I bought many a beer and taquitos, so it isn't all bad.I'm spending the morning helping the guy who bought my storage shed disassemble it and load it on to a trailer. Thankfully he has already paid me so if it goes badly he can't change his mind.
Five whole miles?

 
My current office is a mile and a half away and would be perfect for biking. But we are moving in a month to an office that's a mile away from my old house and five miles from this one. :wall:That said, the new office is next to the convenience store where I bought many a beer and taquitos, so it isn't all bad.I'm spending the morning helping the guy who bought my storage shed disassemble it and load it on to a trailer. Thankfully he has already paid me so if it goes badly he can't change his mind.
Five whole miles?
Surprise there isn't an "FML" at the end of that.

 
My current office is a mile and a half away and would be perfect for biking. But we are moving in a month to an office that's a mile away from my old house and five miles from this one. :wall:That said, the new office is next to the convenience store where I bought many a beer and taquitos, so it isn't all bad.I'm spending the morning helping the guy who bought my storage shed disassemble it and load it on to a trailer. Thankfully he has already paid me so if it goes badly he can't change his mind.
Five whole miles?
In Texas in August I'm sure showing up sweaty after a 45 minute bike ride would be well received.
 
How is Orb this big of a favorite based on one race? Especially one on a muddy track? The field at even money to win seems sensible here.
Derby winners who win as odds on favorite (if Orb wasn't the favorite, he was close) almost always enter Pimlico as heavy favorites. And they tend to do quite well. Smarty Jones, Big Brown come to mind. And the Florida Derby has traditionally been a great prep race, which Orb won. He has been strong all year and winning on a wet track is nothing to sneeze at. He's won at dry tracks. His works have been sharp. He's going to command a crap ton of wagering action from Joe Six Pack. History is really in his corner here. But I'm with Cosjobs....there's no value and no fun in just betting heavy chalk. That said, he's going to be really hard to beat tomorrow and I will include him in the exotics.
I count 23 horses that have won both in history, out of a 100-some races. Mind you, more horses have done it recently, and if you take the most favorable sample possible, 8 have done it in the last 15 years. But in the 15 years prior to that, 2 have done it. And given the two statements bolded above, which are true, I think just a straight fade of Orb makes sense. It just seems like way too much is being hung on the Derby result, which, while obviously a big race, is just one data point. Then again, I know #### about horse racing. Field +100 (5 Dimes) - 1 Truck Unit
Yeah, statistics tend to work better for other sports. Horse racing is a nuanced sport and at the end of the day, these are ANIMALS. Traditionally, the Triple Crown races feature the VERY best 3 year olds. But this hasn't been a very good crop. Only a handful of Derby horses are even racing in this one. Some of the top contenders burned out before the Derby for various reasons, so Orb doesn't have a lot of obstacles standing in his way. This race is even shorter than the last one, so if Orb continues to show his form, he'll be there at the end.And yes, the Derby was one race, but you have to look at his preps. The Florida Derby has historically been a very good prep race. He won that one with minimal effort. Fountain of Youth, he came late to win in the end (that's what she said). On the surface, it would seem taking 8 other horses at near even money is a great bet. But Orb is 4-5 for a reason. Big Brown, Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, Rachel Alexandra...all heavy heavy favorites that won their race. Barbaro was also a heavy favorite, but we know what happened to him. :(Horse racing has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, Need to bear that in mind.
Yeah, I was really surprised when I saw the zig-zagged portion of the Derby.
 
My current office is a mile and a half away and would be perfect for biking. But we are moving in a month to an office that's a mile away from my old house and five miles from this one. :wall:That said, the new office is next to the convenience store where I bought many a beer and taquitos, so it isn't all bad.I'm spending the morning helping the guy who bought my storage shed disassemble it and load it on to a trailer. Thankfully he has already paid me so if it goes badly he can't change his mind.
Five whole miles?
In Texas in August I'm sure showing up sweaty after a 45 minute bike ride would be well received.
Yeah, that's a fair point, though I do hope it doesn't take you 45 minutes to go 5 miles. :mellow:

 
For those that are into the whole indie music festival scene, Cincinnati has its own toned down attempt to copy SXSW. Indie bands playing stages at a range of small venues across a couple blocks in the hip part of the city. They don't have the full lineup set, but have announced some of the bigger names.

If anyone is interested (GM, this is your formal invite), let me know.

I can provide accommodations for a some folks and my place is a short cab ride away from the festivities.

first acts announced

Here are the first 17 acts booked for MPMF.13, the 12th installment of the ever-growing music fest that utilizes various venues in Over-the-Rhine/Downtown. Below the list, you can check out a song by each artist on our first MPMF.13 playlist.

The Breeders (Dayton, Ohio)

One of the seminal bands of the "Alternative Revolution" in the 90s, The Breeders are currently promoting the 20th anniversary, expanded reissue of their classic Last Splash album. Though the Dayton-based Deal sisters (Kelley of R. Ring and Kim of Pixies) have kept musically active since Last Splash, with outside projects and The Breeders, the world tour for the reissue is special because it reunites the Deals with the album's lineup bassist Josephine Wiggs and veteran Dayton drummer Jim MacPherson, who also spent time with Guided By Voices. The Breeders are playing Last Splash in its entirety on the whole tour.

The Head and The Heart (Seattle, Wash.)

One of the top acts of the "Indie Folk" movement, The Head and the Heart formed in Seattle in 2009. An early, self-made recording the band sold at initial shows ended up becoming so popular, local record stores began stocking it and trying to keep up with the surprising demand. The recording began making the music industry rounds, leading to a bidding war for the band. They ended up signing to hometown label Sub Pop within about a year of forming. The group's self-titled album was released to critical acclaim in 2011. The band's warm, ear-grabbing sound has been used a lot on TV spots; you might recognize their "Lost in My Mind," which was the background music for the trailer for the big hit film, Silver Linings Playbook.

Warpaint (Los Angeles)

With an airy, mesmerizing take on Psych Pop, L.A. quartet Warpaint caught the attention of mad guitar genius John Frusciante, who offered to mix the band's Exquisite Corpse EP. That release and a successful CMJ festival appearance led to Warpaint's signing to the legendary Rough Trade imprint. The label released the album The Fool in October 2010 and the band went back to their relentless touring schedule, which included dates with the likes of The xx, Yeasayer and The Walkmen. The band is currently prepping a new LP.

Foxygen (New York, NY/Olympia, Wash.)

Foxygen is the engagingly adventurous duo of Sam France and Jonathan Rado, who formed the group as 15-year-olds in 2005 and self-released a dozen or so albums while learning to play as many instruments as possible. The band's skewered Art Pop (akin to that of MGMT) with retro-underpinnings has been drawing attention since the release of the Foxygen full-length debut for the respected Jagjaguwar Records, the Richard Swift-produced We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic, at the start of this year.

Cody ChesnuTT (Atlanta, Ga.)

Singer/songwriter Cody ChesnuTT first came to a lot of people's attention as the lead vocalist on "The Seed (2.0)," a fairly big single off of The Roots' Phrenology album in 2002. That drove a lot of Roots fans to ChesnuTT's full-length from the same year, The Headphone Masterpiece, though what they heard on that album an underproduced, ambling collection of demo-sounding tunes that surfed a wide range of genres with ADD-like abandon. A decade later, ChesnuTT has returned with a new focus, showcasing a balanced approach based in vintage Soul (vocally, he's quite similar to Marvin Gaye) and Rock & Roll, on the full-length, Landing on a Hundred.

Daughter (London, UK)

Originating as the "one-woman-band" recording project of singer/guitarist Elena Tonra, Daughter now a trio, which Tonra's husband on guitar and drummer Remi Aguilella mixes an Indie Folk base with subtle electronics, creating an emotive sound that can be whisper-quiet one moment and epically lush another. After a self-titled EP, Mumford & Son's Communion label released The Wild Youth EP. Often compared to Cat Power due to Tonra's vocals, last year, the band signed to the 4AD label, a fitting choice given the legendarily ambient sound that defined the label's artists in its early years. The label released the trio's debut, If You Leave, in March of this year.

METZ (Toronto, Canada)

Relentless in its sonic attack, Canadian three-piece METZ recalls a lot of the punchier Post Punk bands of the 80s/90s, drawing comparisons to Big Black, The Jesus Lizard and any number of acts on the (early) Sub Pop and Dischord labels. After a few years of heavy touring, opening for like-minded bands Death from Above 1979, Mudhoney and NoMeansNo, the band signed with indie label legend Sub Pop, which released METZ's powerhouse self-titled debut last year.

Kishi Bashi (Norfolk, Va.)

Starting his career as a violinist for artists like Regina Spektor and of Montreal, Seattle-born multi-instrumentalist and singer/songwriter K Ishibashi went solo under the less-confusing moniker Kishi Bashi and began touring. Making engaging Indie Pop touched by Classical/Chamber influence, the Joyful Noise imprint released his first full-length album, 151A, last spring. There's a pretty good chance you've hear Kishi Bashi before, even if you didn't know it his jaunty, Shins-ish single "Bright Whites" was used in a wide-running commercial for Windows 8.

Julianne Barwick (Brooklyn, NY)

Julianne Barwick makes angelic Ambient music based entirely on loops. The Southern-born experimental artist signed to Asthmatic Kitty Records creates her compositions by using a loop station and crafting elegant layers of sonic haze, using mostly piano, her voice, some percussion and guitar. Barwick who recently announced her signing to Dead Oceans and a new album set for August is an up-and-comer in the Avant Garde/New Music world, recently scoring an invite recently to Yoko Ono's Meltdown Festival in the U.K.

Spectrals (Yorkshire, U.K.)

Spectrals was originally the work of one dude, British singer/songwriter Louis Jones (with just a little help from his brother on drums). Spectrals' wandering sound touches on everything from Nuggets-esque Garage to swaying, elegant Pop (threaded with reverbed-out, Surf-ish guitar). Jones signed to the Slumberland label in the States, which released his first album, Bad Penny, in 2011. For Spectrals' latest, the Sob Story album, Jones, for the first time, had some help from other musicians (who aren't related to him).The album is due June 18.

Dent May (Oxford, Miss.)

Singer/songwriter Dent May makes unabashed Pop music, the kind that forces a smile on your face regardless of your troubles. The Mississippi resident singed with Animal Collective's Paw Tracks label in 2008 and released The Good Feeling Music of Dent May & His Magnificent Ukulele, which drew comparisons to the likes of The Beach Boys, The Turtles and Prefab Sprout. For last year's self-titled album, May put away the uke and decided it was time to dance. The album is a cooly eclectic collection of dynamic electronic Pop, retaining those classic Pop/Rock influences, but adding elements of Disco, Funk, R&B Electro.

Grandfather Child (Houston, Texas)

Grandfather Child was formed in Houston in 2009 by members of various other local bands. The group hit upon a compelling "formula," creating a kitchen-sink sound that is loaded with influence from R&B, Soul, early Rock & Roll and Gospel music, resulting in a pretty psychedelic vibe. The band is signed to New West Records, which released Grandfather Child's eponymous 9-track album last summer.

The Ghost Wolves (Austin, Texas)

With a blistering sound created by just two people guitarist Carley and drummer Jonny Wolf (both sing) The Ghost Wolves traveled many miles across the country to build a fan base one explosive show at a time. The group's debut was the raw and rugged In Ya Neck! EP, which showcased the Wolves' fuzzy take on stompin' Blues Rock expertly, like a two-piece version of The Cramps. The band is getting set to release its debut full-length, Man, Woman, Beast.

Jeecy and The Jungle (Detroit)

Known for their reportedly incredible like show, Detroit's Soul rockers Jeecy and the Jungle represent two sides of Detroit's music heritage, blending a modern-day Garage Rock energy with influence from classic Soul artists. Last summer, the band released its impressive five-track EP, Twist and Scream.

Caveman (New York, NY)

Caveman is an NYC quintet that makes atmospheric Indie Rock with the kind of soft-breeze effervescence found in everything from the best vintage "AM Gold" songs to Fleet Foxes. The band released its debut in 2010, CoCo Beware, built a following and signed to notable label, Fat Possum Records, which re-released the debut and also the recent self-titled full-length, which has been garnering great reviews.

Perfume Genius (Seattle, Wash.)

Perfume Genius is Mike Hadreas, a Seattle singer/songwriter and visual artist whose 2010 debut caught the attention of the Indie music press corps. Quickly signed to the esteemed Matador Records, Perfume Genius' latest is Put Your Back N 2 It, a gentle, intimate collection of spectral, folksy songs.

PHOX (Madison, Wisc.)

Slanted, sparse yet broad Indie/Folk/Pop band PHOX started turning heads this year with consistent touring and a knock-out appearance at South By Southwest. The band recently released its latest EP, Confetti, which also has a companion "video EP," featuring short films for every track that the group members made simultaneously with the musical recording.
I'd go just for the Breeders. Mainly because that's just about the only band I recognize there.I actually thought of you when I saw the Breeders/Kim Deal would be thereDoes this mean you're coming???

 
Guster said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Guster said:
For those that are into the whole indie music festival scene, Cincinnati has its own toned down attempt to copy SXSW. Indie bands playing stages at a range of small venues across a couple blocks in the hip part of the city. They don't have the full lineup set, but have announced some of the bigger names.

If anyone is interested (GM, this is your formal invite), let me know.

I can provide accommodations for a some folks and my place is a short cab ride away from the festivities.

first acts announced

Here are the first 17 acts booked for MPMF.13, the 12th installment of the ever-growing music fest that utilizes various venues in Over-the-Rhine/Downtown. Below the list, you can check out a song by each artist on our first MPMF.13 playlist.

The Breeders (Dayton, Ohio)

One of the seminal bands of the "Alternative Revolution" in the 90s, The Breeders are currently promoting the 20th anniversary, expanded reissue of their classic Last Splash album. Though the Dayton-based Deal sisters (Kelley of R. Ring and Kim of Pixies) have kept musically active since Last Splash, with outside projects and The Breeders, the world tour for the reissue is special because it reunites the Deals with the album's lineup bassist Josephine Wiggs and veteran Dayton drummer Jim MacPherson, who also spent time with Guided By Voices. The Breeders are playing Last Splash in its entirety on the whole tour.

The Head and The Heart (Seattle, Wash.)

One of the top acts of the "Indie Folk" movement, The Head and the Heart formed in Seattle in 2009. An early, self-made recording the band sold at initial shows ended up becoming so popular, local record stores began stocking it and trying to keep up with the surprising demand. The recording began making the music industry rounds, leading to a bidding war for the band. They ended up signing to hometown label Sub Pop within about a year of forming. The group's self-titled album was released to critical acclaim in 2011. The band's warm, ear-grabbing sound has been used a lot on TV spots; you might recognize their "Lost in My Mind," which was the background music for the trailer for the big hit film, Silver Linings Playbook.

Warpaint (Los Angeles)

With an airy, mesmerizing take on Psych Pop, L.A. quartet Warpaint caught the attention of mad guitar genius John Frusciante, who offered to mix the band's Exquisite Corpse EP. That release and a successful CMJ festival appearance led to Warpaint's signing to the legendary Rough Trade imprint. The label released the album The Fool in October 2010 and the band went back to their relentless touring schedule, which included dates with the likes of The xx, Yeasayer and The Walkmen. The band is currently prepping a new LP.

Foxygen (New York, NY/Olympia, Wash.)

Foxygen is the engagingly adventurous duo of Sam France and Jonathan Rado, who formed the group as 15-year-olds in 2005 and self-released a dozen or so albums while learning to play as many instruments as possible. The band's skewered Art Pop (akin to that of MGMT) with retro-underpinnings has been drawing attention since the release of the Foxygen full-length debut for the respected Jagjaguwar Records, the Richard Swift-produced We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic, at the start of this year.

Cody ChesnuTT (Atlanta, Ga.)

Singer/songwriter Cody ChesnuTT first came to a lot of people's attention as the lead vocalist on "The Seed (2.0)," a fairly big single off of The Roots' Phrenology album in 2002. That drove a lot of Roots fans to ChesnuTT's full-length from the same year, The Headphone Masterpiece, though what they heard on that album an underproduced, ambling collection of demo-sounding tunes that surfed a wide range of genres with ADD-like abandon. A decade later, ChesnuTT has returned with a new focus, showcasing a balanced approach based in vintage Soul (vocally, he's quite similar to Marvin Gaye) and Rock & Roll, on the full-length, Landing on a Hundred.

Daughter (London, UK)

Originating as the "one-woman-band" recording project of singer/guitarist Elena Tonra, Daughter now a trio, which Tonra's husband on guitar and drummer Remi Aguilella mixes an Indie Folk base with subtle electronics, creating an emotive sound that can be whisper-quiet one moment and epically lush another. After a self-titled EP, Mumford & Son's Communion label released The Wild Youth EP. Often compared to Cat Power due to Tonra's vocals, last year, the band signed to the 4AD label, a fitting choice given the legendarily ambient sound that defined the label's artists in its early years. The label released the trio's debut, If You Leave, in March of this year.

METZ (Toronto, Canada)

Relentless in its sonic attack, Canadian three-piece METZ recalls a lot of the punchier Post Punk bands of the 80s/90s, drawing comparisons to Big Black, The Jesus Lizard and any number of acts on the (early) Sub Pop and Dischord labels. After a few years of heavy touring, opening for like-minded bands Death from Above 1979, Mudhoney and NoMeansNo, the band signed with indie label legend Sub Pop, which released METZ's powerhouse self-titled debut last year.

Kishi Bashi (Norfolk, Va.)

Starting his career as a violinist for artists like Regina Spektor and of Montreal, Seattle-born multi-instrumentalist and singer/songwriter K Ishibashi went solo under the less-confusing moniker Kishi Bashi and began touring. Making engaging Indie Pop touched by Classical/Chamber influence, the Joyful Noise imprint released his first full-length album, 151A, last spring. There's a pretty good chance you've hear Kishi Bashi before, even if you didn't know it his jaunty, Shins-ish single "Bright Whites" was used in a wide-running commercial for Windows 8.

Julianne Barwick (Brooklyn, NY)

Julianne Barwick makes angelic Ambient music based entirely on loops. The Southern-born experimental artist signed to Asthmatic Kitty Records creates her compositions by using a loop station and crafting elegant layers of sonic haze, using mostly piano, her voice, some percussion and guitar. Barwick who recently announced her signing to Dead Oceans and a new album set for August is an up-and-comer in the Avant Garde/New Music world, recently scoring an invite recently to Yoko Ono's Meltdown Festival in the U.K.

Spectrals (Yorkshire, U.K.)

Spectrals was originally the work of one dude, British singer/songwriter Louis Jones (with just a little help from his brother on drums). Spectrals' wandering sound touches on everything from Nuggets-esque Garage to swaying, elegant Pop (threaded with reverbed-out, Surf-ish guitar). Jones signed to the Slumberland label in the States, which released his first album, Bad Penny, in 2011. For Spectrals' latest, the Sob Story album, Jones, for the first time, had some help from other musicians (who aren't related to him).The album is due June 18.

Dent May (Oxford, Miss.)

Singer/songwriter Dent May makes unabashed Pop music, the kind that forces a smile on your face regardless of your troubles. The Mississippi resident singed with Animal Collective's Paw Tracks label in 2008 and released The Good Feeling Music of Dent May & His Magnificent Ukulele, which drew comparisons to the likes of The Beach Boys, The Turtles and Prefab Sprout. For last year's self-titled album, May put away the uke and decided it was time to dance. The album is a cooly eclectic collection of dynamic electronic Pop, retaining those classic Pop/Rock influences, but adding elements of Disco, Funk, R&B Electro.

Grandfather Child (Houston, Texas)

Grandfather Child was formed in Houston in 2009 by members of various other local bands. The group hit upon a compelling "formula," creating a kitchen-sink sound that is loaded with influence from R&B, Soul, early Rock & Roll and Gospel music, resulting in a pretty psychedelic vibe. The band is signed to New West Records, which released Grandfather Child's eponymous 9-track album last summer.

The Ghost Wolves (Austin, Texas)

With a blistering sound created by just two people guitarist Carley and drummer Jonny Wolf (both sing) The Ghost Wolves traveled many miles across the country to build a fan base one explosive show at a time. The group's debut was the raw and rugged In Ya Neck! EP, which showcased the Wolves' fuzzy take on stompin' Blues Rock expertly, like a two-piece version of The Cramps. The band is getting set to release its debut full-length, Man, Woman, Beast.

Jeecy and The Jungle (Detroit)

Known for their reportedly incredible like show, Detroit's Soul rockers Jeecy and the Jungle represent two sides of Detroit's music heritage, blending a modern-day Garage Rock energy with influence from classic Soul artists. Last summer, the band released its impressive five-track EP, Twist and Scream.

Caveman (New York, NY)

Caveman is an NYC quintet that makes atmospheric Indie Rock with the kind of soft-breeze effervescence found in everything from the best vintage "AM Gold" songs to Fleet Foxes. The band released its debut in 2010, CoCo Beware, built a following and signed to notable label, Fat Possum Records, which re-released the debut and also the recent self-titled full-length, which has been garnering great reviews.

Perfume Genius (Seattle, Wash.)

Perfume Genius is Mike Hadreas, a Seattle singer/songwriter and visual artist whose 2010 debut caught the attention of the Indie music press corps. Quickly signed to the esteemed Matador Records, Perfume Genius' latest is Put Your Back N 2 It, a gentle, intimate collection of spectral, folksy songs.

PHOX (Madison, Wisc.)

Slanted, sparse yet broad Indie/Folk/Pop band PHOX started turning heads this year with consistent touring and a knock-out appearance at South By Southwest. The band recently released its latest EP, Confetti, which also has a companion "video EP," featuring short films for every track that the group members made simultaneously with the musical recording.
I'd go just for the Breeders. Mainly because that's just about the only band I recognize there.
I actually thought of you when I saw the Breeders/Kim Deal would be thereDoes this mean you're coming???

A Tanner showing would be strong reason for me to say I'm coming, then back out at the last minute because I can't afford it or am too lazy to drive 5+ hours.

But in my heart, I'd want to be there.

 
Abraham said:
General Malaise said:
Abraham said:
My current office is a mile and a half away and would be perfect for biking. But we are moving in a month to an office that's a mile away from my old house and five miles from this one. :wall:That said, the new office is next to the convenience store where I bought many a beer and taquitos, so it isn't all bad.I'm spending the morning helping the guy who bought my storage shed disassemble it and load it on to a trailer. Thankfully he has already paid me so if it goes badly he can't change his mind.
Five whole miles?
In Texas in August I'm sure showing up sweaty after a 45 minute bike ride would be well received.
45 minutes to ride five miles? Are you going to ride a tricycle?

 
General Malaise said:
Good Posting Judge said:
General Malaise said:
Good Posting Judge said:
How is Orb this big of a favorite based on one race? Especially one on a muddy track? The field at even money to win seems sensible here.
Derby winners who win as odds on favorite (if Orb wasn't the favorite, he was close) almost always enter Pimlico as heavy favorites. And they tend to do quite well. Smarty Jones, Big Brown come to mind. And the Florida Derby has traditionally been a great prep race, which Orb won. He has been strong all year and winning on a wet track is nothing to sneeze at. He's won at dry tracks. His works have been sharp. He's going to command a crap ton of wagering action from Joe Six Pack.

History is really in his corner here. But I'm with Cosjobs....there's no value and no fun in just betting heavy chalk. That said, he's going to be really hard to beat tomorrow and I will include him in the exotics.
I count 23 horses that have won both in history, out of a 100-some races. Mind you, more horses have done it recently, and if you take the most favorable sample possible, 8 have done it in the last 15 years. But in the 15 years prior to that, 2 have done it.

And given the two statements bolded above, which are true, I think just a straight fade of Orb makes sense. It just seems like way too much is being hung on the Derby result, which, while obviously a big race, is just one data point.

Then again, I know #### about horse racing.

Field +100 (5 Dimes) - 1 Truck Unit
Yeah, statistics tend to work better for other sports. Horse racing is a nuanced sport and at the end of the day, these are ANIMALS.

Traditionally, the Triple Crown races feature the VERY best 3 year olds. But this hasn't been a very good crop. Only a handful of Derby horses are even racing in this one. Some of the top contenders burned out before the Derby for various reasons, so Orb doesn't have a lot of obstacles standing in his way. This race is even shorter than the last one, so if Orb continues to show his form, he'll be there at the end.

And yes, the Derby was one race, but you have to look at his preps. The Florida Derby has historically been a very good prep race. He won that one with minimal effort. Fountain of Youth, he came late to win in the end (that's what she said).

On the surface, it would seem taking 8 other horses at near even money is a great bet. But Orb is 4-5 for a reason. Big Brown, Smarty Jones, Funny Cide, Rachel Alexandra...all heavy heavy favorites that won their race. Barbaro was also a heavy favorite, but we know what happened to him. :(

Horse racing has changed quite a bit over the last 20 years, Need to bear that in mind.
The People Who Know What They're Doing can (fairly accurately) express a given horse's chances of winning as a simple probability just as easily as a baseball handicapper can express the Reds' chances of winning as a simple probability. Horses are unpredictable, but so is Johnny Cueto.

I don't know much about horses, but I know about gambling. And a prop that's offered one-way (e.g. you can bet that X will happen, but that you can't bet that X won't happen) are often difficult propositions to beat. And being a winner playing the horses is difficult too. Simply because oddsmakers aren't accountable to being beaten the other way, they can pump up the odds to virtually guarantee they're going to be a winner.

Getting a two-way bet that's normally offered one way, on a horse that the linesmakers know is good and know the public will be hitting hard, seems like a winning proposition to me. Certainly Orb has a better chance than any of the other horses, but 50%+?

 
Anyone remember that movie with Ted Danson where they shoved a giant medicated dildo up a horse's butt to make it run faster so they could bet and win lots of money, but of course it doesn't happen and the gag at the end is the stooges shove it up their own butts to get away from the police. They run all the way to South America. Haha. /horsechatcontribution.

 
seattle june poker or something>in. I've recently (like last night, take a cab home and leave my girlfriend at a charity fund-raiser recently) become more single than I've been lately, so I have some free time now.

 
How long should it take to ride 5 miles?

I think there is a gay helmet law in my state. If that's the case, I'm going to keep driving.

 
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Good Posting Judge said:
How is Orb this big of a favorite based on one race? Especially one on a muddy track? The field at even money to win seems sensible here.
Especially since he's on the rail to start. Will he be able to break free on a muddy track from there? He was in the 16 at the KY Derby.

ETA: it doesn't look muddy. Orb back to the top

 
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I was going to be the race, but I cant remember the name of the sports book I use. It was mentioned in some Frosty emails...

A little help?

 
cosjobs said:
I can sit at dinner and let everyone speak for half an hour, yet when i try to utter a sentence I am interrupted halfway through EVERY time. Is this all women or just the ones emeshed in my life?

Its driving me crazy.

I respond by stopping and letting them go on talking over me under the delusion that they will notice and stop doing it

Huge fail.
it's all women. except, of course, the women who post here.

 
I'm on the 1,6,7,9 in exactas, tris and superfectas

1 = orb

6 = oxbow

7 = will take charge

9 = itsmyluckyday

The race is really a toss up, but with a smaller field of 9, I like to push beyond my usual exactas

 
I'm on the 1,6,7,9 in exactas, tris and superfectas1 = orb6 = oxbow7 = will take charge9 = itsmyluckydayThe race is really a toss up, but with a smaller field of 9, I like to push beyond my usual exactas
Good luck GB.

I like 1-5-9

5 = MyLute

 
I'm on the 1,6,7,9 in exactas, tris and superfectas1 = orb6 = oxbow7 = will take charge9 = itsmyluckydayThe race is really a toss up, but with a smaller field of 9, I like to push beyond my usual exactas
Good luck GB. I like 1-5-9 5 = MyLute
Yeah, MyLute was another horse I considered. Like the speed numbers and closed strong at the Derby
Oh hello Mrs. Al Stall Jr.

Sorry, could not find a pic, just saw her on the Preakness pregame show

 
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I emptied my account on this race. Every penny I had. The entire $23

$1 Superfecta 1/2,4/2,4,5/2,4,5,6,7,8,9

$1 Tri 4/2/1,7,9
 
Guster said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Guster said:
For those that are into the whole indie music festival scene, Cincinnati has its own toned down attempt to copy SXSW. Indie bands playing stages at a range of small venues across a couple blocks in the hip part of the city. They don't have the full lineup set, but have announced some of the bigger names.

If anyone is interested (GM, this is your formal invite), let me know.

I can provide accommodations for a some folks and my place is a short cab ride away from the festivities.

first acts announced

Here are the first 17 acts booked for MPMF.13, the 12th installment of the ever-growing music fest that utilizes various venues in Over-the-Rhine/Downtown. Below the list, you can check out a song by each artist on our first MPMF.13 playlist.

The Breeders (Dayton, Ohio)

One of the seminal bands of the "Alternative Revolution" in the 90s, The Breeders are currently promoting the 20th anniversary, expanded reissue of their classic Last Splash album. Though the Dayton-based Deal sisters (Kelley of R. Ring and Kim of Pixies) have kept musically active since Last Splash, with outside projects and The Breeders, the world tour for the reissue is special because it reunites the Deals with the album's lineup bassist Josephine Wiggs and veteran Dayton drummer Jim MacPherson, who also spent time with Guided By Voices. The Breeders are playing Last Splash in its entirety on the whole tour.

The Head and The Heart (Seattle, Wash.)

One of the top acts of the "Indie Folk" movement, The Head and the Heart formed in Seattle in 2009. An early, self-made recording the band sold at initial shows ended up becoming so popular, local record stores began stocking it and trying to keep up with the surprising demand. The recording began making the music industry rounds, leading to a bidding war for the band. They ended up signing to hometown label Sub Pop within about a year of forming. The group's self-titled album was released to critical acclaim in 2011. The band's warm, ear-grabbing sound has been used a lot on TV spots; you might recognize their "Lost in My Mind," which was the background music for the trailer for the big hit film, Silver Linings Playbook.

Warpaint (Los Angeles)

With an airy, mesmerizing take on Psych Pop, L.A. quartet Warpaint caught the attention of mad guitar genius John Frusciante, who offered to mix the band's Exquisite Corpse EP. That release and a successful CMJ festival appearance led to Warpaint's signing to the legendary Rough Trade imprint. The label released the album The Fool in October 2010 and the band went back to their relentless touring schedule, which included dates with the likes of The xx, Yeasayer and The Walkmen. The band is currently prepping a new LP.

Foxygen (New York, NY/Olympia, Wash.)

Foxygen is the engagingly adventurous duo of Sam France and Jonathan Rado, who formed the group as 15-year-olds in 2005 and self-released a dozen or so albums while learning to play as many instruments as possible. The band's skewered Art Pop (akin to that of MGMT) with retro-underpinnings has been drawing attention since the release of the Foxygen full-length debut for the respected Jagjaguwar Records, the Richard Swift-produced We Are the 21st Century Ambassadors of Peace & Magic, at the start of this year.

Cody ChesnuTT (Atlanta, Ga.)

Singer/songwriter Cody ChesnuTT first came to a lot of people's attention as the lead vocalist on "The Seed (2.0)," a fairly big single off of The Roots' Phrenology album in 2002. That drove a lot of Roots fans to ChesnuTT's full-length from the same year, The Headphone Masterpiece, though what they heard on that album an underproduced, ambling collection of demo-sounding tunes that surfed a wide range of genres with ADD-like abandon. A decade later, ChesnuTT has returned with a new focus, showcasing a balanced approach based in vintage Soul (vocally, he's quite similar to Marvin Gaye) and Rock & Roll, on the full-length, Landing on a Hundred.

Daughter (London, UK)

Originating as the "one-woman-band" recording project of singer/guitarist Elena Tonra, Daughter now a trio, which Tonra's husband on guitar and drummer Remi Aguilella mixes an Indie Folk base with subtle electronics, creating an emotive sound that can be whisper-quiet one moment and epically lush another. After a self-titled EP, Mumford & Son's Communion label released The Wild Youth EP. Often compared to Cat Power due to Tonra's vocals, last year, the band signed to the 4AD label, a fitting choice given the legendarily ambient sound that defined the label's artists in its early years. The label released the trio's debut, If You Leave, in March of this year.

METZ (Toronto, Canada)

Relentless in its sonic attack, Canadian three-piece METZ recalls a lot of the punchier Post Punk bands of the 80s/90s, drawing comparisons to Big Black, The Jesus Lizard and any number of acts on the (early) Sub Pop and Dischord labels. After a few years of heavy touring, opening for like-minded bands Death from Above 1979, Mudhoney and NoMeansNo, the band signed with indie label legend Sub Pop, which released METZ's powerhouse self-titled debut last year.

Kishi Bashi (Norfolk, Va.)

Starting his career as a violinist for artists like Regina Spektor and of Montreal, Seattle-born multi-instrumentalist and singer/songwriter K Ishibashi went solo under the less-confusing moniker Kishi Bashi and began touring. Making engaging Indie Pop touched by Classical/Chamber influence, the Joyful Noise imprint released his first full-length album, 151A, last spring. There's a pretty good chance you've hear Kishi Bashi before, even if you didn't know it his jaunty, Shins-ish single "Bright Whites" was used in a wide-running commercial for Windows 8.

Julianne Barwick (Brooklyn, NY)

Julianne Barwick makes angelic Ambient music based entirely on loops. The Southern-born experimental artist signed to Asthmatic Kitty Records creates her compositions by using a loop station and crafting elegant layers of sonic haze, using mostly piano, her voice, some percussion and guitar. Barwick who recently announced her signing to Dead Oceans and a new album set for August is an up-and-comer in the Avant Garde/New Music world, recently scoring an invite recently to Yoko Ono's Meltdown Festival in the U.K.

Spectrals (Yorkshire, U.K.)

Spectrals was originally the work of one dude, British singer/songwriter Louis Jones (with just a little help from his brother on drums). Spectrals' wandering sound touches on everything from Nuggets-esque Garage to swaying, elegant Pop (threaded with reverbed-out, Surf-ish guitar). Jones signed to the Slumberland label in the States, which released his first album, Bad Penny, in 2011. For Spectrals' latest, the Sob Story album, Jones, for the first time, had some help from other musicians (who aren't related to him).The album is due June 18.

Dent May (Oxford, Miss.)

Singer/songwriter Dent May makes unabashed Pop music, the kind that forces a smile on your face regardless of your troubles. The Mississippi resident singed with Animal Collective's Paw Tracks label in 2008 and released The Good Feeling Music of Dent May & His Magnificent Ukulele, which drew comparisons to the likes of The Beach Boys, The Turtles and Prefab Sprout. For last year's self-titled album, May put away the uke and decided it was time to dance. The album is a cooly eclectic collection of dynamic electronic Pop, retaining those classic Pop/Rock influences, but adding elements of Disco, Funk, R&B Electro.

Grandfather Child (Houston, Texas)

Grandfather Child was formed in Houston in 2009 by members of various other local bands. The group hit upon a compelling "formula," creating a kitchen-sink sound that is loaded with influence from R&B, Soul, early Rock & Roll and Gospel music, resulting in a pretty psychedelic vibe. The band is signed to New West Records, which released Grandfather Child's eponymous 9-track album last summer.

The Ghost Wolves (Austin, Texas)

With a blistering sound created by just two people guitarist Carley and drummer Jonny Wolf (both sing) The Ghost Wolves traveled many miles across the country to build a fan base one explosive show at a time. The group's debut was the raw and rugged In Ya Neck! EP, which showcased the Wolves' fuzzy take on stompin' Blues Rock expertly, like a two-piece version of The Cramps. The band is getting set to release its debut full-length, Man, Woman, Beast.

Jeecy and The Jungle (Detroit)

Known for their reportedly incredible like show, Detroit's Soul rockers Jeecy and the Jungle represent two sides of Detroit's music heritage, blending a modern-day Garage Rock energy with influence from classic Soul artists. Last summer, the band released its impressive five-track EP, Twist and Scream.

Caveman (New York, NY)

Caveman is an NYC quintet that makes atmospheric Indie Rock with the kind of soft-breeze effervescence found in everything from the best vintage "AM Gold" songs to Fleet Foxes. The band released its debut in 2010, CoCo Beware, built a following and signed to notable label, Fat Possum Records, which re-released the debut and also the recent self-titled full-length, which has been garnering great reviews.

Perfume Genius (Seattle, Wash.)

Perfume Genius is Mike Hadreas, a Seattle singer/songwriter and visual artist whose 2010 debut caught the attention of the Indie music press corps. Quickly signed to the esteemed Matador Records, Perfume Genius' latest is Put Your Back N 2 It, a gentle, intimate collection of spectral, folksy songs.

PHOX (Madison, Wisc.)

Slanted, sparse yet broad Indie/Folk/Pop band PHOX started turning heads this year with consistent touring and a knock-out appearance at South By Southwest. The band recently released its latest EP, Confetti, which also has a companion "video EP," featuring short films for every track that the group members made simultaneously with the musical recording.
I'd go just for the Breeders. Mainly because that's just about the only band I recognize there.
I actually thought of you when I saw the Breeders/Kim Deal would be thereDoes this mean you're coming???

No

 
The software company I thought I was a lock to get a job at 3 months ago (120k comp, sales manager) had their ipo today and popped 60% after open.Fml.
I have no idea what this means? Jesus has come back?
I thought I was getting hired at tableau software. They had an ipo today. Everyone got richer. I don't work there.
We have been using their software for years, and know several people who made a ton of money yesterday.
 

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