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DocGonzo said:
Summoning the collective knowledge of Jim Tan...

This isn't super important, but kind of a weird thing that came up today and I don't know the answer. Let's say you own a car that you leave in a rented storage unit. After a while you stop paying the monthly fee. Some time goes by and the owner of the storage unit follows all of the necessary procedures to auction off the car. The night before the auction you call the owner. The owner tells you that you can pay your past bill or the car is going up for auction as scheduled.

Here's the question: if you're the owner, can you refuse to pay the overdue bill and instead show up at the auction and bid on your own car? Essentially getting it for a fraction of the price and telling the storage unit owner to sue you for the rest?
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Pretty sure you can do that. Not sure if it is legal though.

 
DocGonzo said:
Summoning the collective knowledge of Jim Tan...

This isn't super important, but kind of a weird thing that came up today and I don't know the answer. Let's say you own a car that you leave in a rented storage unit. After a while you stop paying the monthly fee. Some time goes by and the owner of the storage unit follows all of the necessary procedures to auction off the car. The night before the auction you call the owner. The owner tells you that you can pay your past bill or the car is going up for auction as scheduled.

Here's the question: if you're the owner, can you refuse to pay the overdue bill and instead show up at the auction and bid on your own car? Essentially getting it for a fraction of the price and telling the storage unit owner to sue you for the rest?
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I don't think they can sue you for the remainder once they go the route of the auction (I am not a lawyer, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night). I am pretty sure if a storage auction goes for more than the unpaid bill, that extra is supposed to go to the person who owned the unit. So, you could either try to buy back your car for very little, or try to drive up the price higher than what you owe on the unit and get the profit.

 
You're going to be bidding a % of the rent you owe on the unit, while others are going to be bidding a % of the value of the car that sits inside the unit. Unless your bill is more than the value of the car, I'm not sure how likely it would be that this would end the way you'd hope.

 
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Thanks for the responses.

My colleague's client owns the storage unit. The guy who owns the car left it basically abandoned until finally the client decided to get rid of it. The only way for the client to get a title to the car to either sell it or drive it is to hold the auction. The owner suddenly came out of the woodwork. I think you guys are right, we probably can't legally stop him from bidding. If anything he'll probably send a proxy so nobody knows it's him bidding anyway. All indications are nobody is going to show up for this auction except, possibly, a proxy for the owner and a proxy for my client. If only one guys shows up besides my client I think you can assume he's there for the owner. In that case I say just bid his ### up. It's going to be like the wild, wild west. I might go just to watch.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
You're going to be bidding a % of the rent you owe on the unit, while others are going to be bidding a % of the value of the car that sits inside the unit. Unless your bill is more than the value of the car, I'm not sure how likely it would be that this would end the way you'd hope.
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This is a good point. I'm not the owner of the car, btw, but I think you might be right here.

ETA: Also, the bill is quite large. In the 5-figured teens. (Easy, Homer.)

 
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DocGonzo said:
Thanks for the responses.

My colleague's client owns the storage unit. The guy who owns the car left it basically abandoned until finally the client decided to get rid of it. The only way for the client to get a title to the car to either sell it or drive it is to hold the auction. The owner suddenly came out of the woodwork. I think you guys are right, we probably can't legally stop him from bidding. If anything he'll probably send a proxy so nobody knows it's him bidding anyway. All indications are nobody is going to show up for this auction except, possibly, a proxy for the owner and a proxy for my client. If only one guys shows up besides my client I think you can assume he's there for the owner. In that case I say just bid his ### up. It's going to be like the wild, wild west. I might go just to watch.
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Not sure about storage auctions, but in a real estate foreclosure, there's nothing to prevent the borrower from bidding, but if the winning bid is short of the amount owed, the borrower is still on the hook for the difference. Overages, which almost never happen, are returned to the borrowers. Although in a foreclosure auction the bank gets a current appraisal and won't let the property go for substantially less. Not sure how that works with a storage auction since presumably the facility owner doesn't know the value of the unit contents.

 
Thorn said:
DocGonzo said:
Thanks for the responses.

My colleague's client owns the storage unit. The guy who owns the car left it basically abandoned until finally the client decided to get rid of it. The only way for the client to get a title to the car to either sell it or drive it is to hold the auction. The owner suddenly came out of the woodwork. I think you guys are right, we probably can't legally stop him from bidding. If anything he'll probably send a proxy so nobody knows it's him bidding anyway. All indications are nobody is going to show up for this auction except, possibly, a proxy for the owner and a proxy for my client. If only one guys shows up besides my client I think you can assume he's there for the owner. In that case I say just bid his ### up. It's going to be like the wild, wild west. I might go just to watch.
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Not sure about storage auctions, but in a real estate foreclosure, there's nothing to prevent the borrower from bidding, but if the winning bid is short of the amount owed, the borrower is still on the hook for the difference. Overages, which almost never happen, are returned to the borrowers. Although in a foreclosure auction the bank gets a current appraisal and won't let the property go for substantially less. Not sure how that works with a storage auction since presumably the facility owner doesn't know the value of the unit contents.
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I'm with you. This is the only thing I could relate it too. I think I became the problem here because I kept telling my colleague that if I was the owner I'd just go to the auction and bid on it. He kept telling me I couldn't but kept getting frustrated because he couldn't find any legal reasoning why that would be so.

 
Incidentally, the guy who owns the storage unit is awesome. He's always playing an angle, always on the edge of something. He's got stories for days.

Back in the 90s he owned a night club. He lined up an Elvis impersonator to come in for the night. He only hired really good looking girls to wait tables and decided that to make the Elvis show more authentic he would give them each several pair of women's underwear that they would throw on stage at various times throughout the performance.

Problem was, where do you get a hundred or so pair of women's underwear?

He had a place in Florida and he would fly back and forth about once a week. Becauause it was usually only a couple day trip and he had clothes and stuff at his Florida place he would usually just take a small carryon bag or briefcase. This apparently caught the attention of the DEA and they began watching him. (The guy doesn't even drink, so, yeah, not a drug dealer.) So he flies to Florida and goes to some swap meet where he finds someone with bins full of ... wait for it .... women's underwear.

So he puts all the underwear in a duffel bag and gets on his plane to return home. Upon landing he's stopped by two agents who put him in one room, and take his bag to an adjoining room to be searched. There's a small window near the ceiling and he can hear the agents talking as they unzip the bag. You can imagine their reactions when they went into the bag looking for bricks of weed or cocaine and came up with a bunch of Hanes.

 
DocGonzo said:
Thorn said:
DocGonzo said:
Thanks for the responses.

My colleague's client owns the storage unit. The guy who owns the car left it basically abandoned until finally the client decided to get rid of it. The only way for the client to get a title to the car to either sell it or drive it is to hold the auction. The owner suddenly came out of the woodwork. I think you guys are right, we probably can't legally stop him from bidding. If anything he'll probably send a proxy so nobody knows it's him bidding anyway. All indications are nobody is going to show up for this auction except, possibly, a proxy for the owner and a proxy for my client. If only one guys shows up besides my client I think you can assume he's there for the owner. In that case I say just bid his ### up. It's going to be like the wild, wild west. I might go just to watch.
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Not sure about storage auctions, but in a real estate foreclosure, there's nothing to prevent the borrower from bidding, but if the winning bid is short of the amount owed, the borrower is still on the hook for the difference. Overages, which almost never happen, are returned to the borrowers. Although in a foreclosure auction the bank gets a current appraisal and won't let the property go for substantially less. Not sure how that works with a storage auction since presumably the facility owner doesn't know the value of the unit contents.
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I'm with you. This is the only thing I could relate it too. I think I became the problem here because I kept telling my colleague that if I was the owner I'd just go to the auction and bid on it. He kept telling me I couldn't but kept getting frustrated because he couldn't find any legal reasoning why that would be so.
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One other thought, your friend should use a straw. I can easily see the owner keeping any qualifying deposit and claiming that it is an offset against rent owed.

 
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Thanks, guys.

Really oddly, when we were at lunch today, to try to put things in perspective I talked about how some people deal with their kid having cancer, and I had bigbottom in mind. Then I got back from the vet and saw his thread. I don't even think I can post in there as I have no words.

 
So sorry about Fuzzy, k4. We have three kitties and I'm sick at the thought of anything happening to them.

And I couldn't even finish bb's first post in that thread without breaking down. I want to offer words of sympathy but I don't think I can go in there again for a while.

Someone really needs to win the lottery or have a threesome or get deemed STD-free.

 
YSR said:
Someone really needs to win the lottery or have a threesome or get deemed STD-free.
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Two days ago my realtor told me we'd be getting an offer on our house, so if something positive happens there I'll post and start turning things around a little. Considering we have no income (I start my contract work Sunday), just spent thousands of $$$ NOT moving to Nicaragua as well as $6000 NOT saving Fuzzy's life, selling the house would be huge.

 
krista4 said:
Thanks, guys.

Really oddly, when we were at lunch today, to try to put things in perspective I talked about how some people deal with their kid having cancer, and I had bigbottom in mind. Then I got back from the vet and saw his thread. I don't even think I can post in there as I have no words.
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:(

Want some lobster pets?

 
Thorn said:
krista4 said:
Thanks, guys.

Really oddly, when we were at lunch today, to try to put things in perspective I talked about how some people deal with their kid having cancer, and I had bigbottom in mind. Then I got back from the vet and saw his thread. I don't even think I can post in there as I have no words.
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:(

Want some lobster pets?
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:lmao: We should be non-homeless in a few weeks, so that would be great. :)

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So is this pretty much the worst week in FFA history?
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I don't know, Leeroy. Someone here said a page or three ago that maybe things are just aired more now that it's become a decade-+ community. I kinda believe that. How many people have met IRL that first ran across each other here? I'm guessing 100s. And how many more have had other types of contact that have helped just because of meeting here? Thousands?

For myself, I would never have posted some of the things I have in the last couple of years if we rewound the clock 10 years.

Bigbottom's news is catastrophic, though, and would've been no matter when it was posted. I think it hits all the harder because a lot of FFAers have grown to "know" him.

 
krista4 said:
Thorn said:
krista4 said:
Thanks, guys.

Really oddly, when we were at lunch today, to try to put things in perspective I talked about how some people deal with their kid having cancer, and I had bigbottom in mind. Then I got back from the vet and saw his thread. I don't even think I can post in there as I have no words.
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:(

Want some lobster pets?
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:lmao: We should be non-homeless in a few weeks, so that would be great. :)
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Suggested lobster activity

 
I know the answer to this but I really don't want to do it so I'm turning to the GMTAN to confirm or deny what I already know I should probably do.

I was planning to go to Denver tomorrow, camping tomorrow night, football with friends Sunday and go see a concern Monday night. I haven't been back to CO for a year and a half and this is my get ready for peak blowout.

However, my Mom won't be cleared to fly until next week and both my sisters are here and staying with us as well. Given that it's still possible that my Mom is living on borrowed time, I want to spend that time with her. I also don't want to abandon my wife to being stuck playing hostess for my family (even though she really does love them). I've also missed a lot of work this week and am way behind and taking Monday and Tuesday off will only make that worse. I also have the start of a cold.

However, given the stress of the past week, the upcoming stress until Christmas and the fact that my wife and my mom are both telling me to go, I really want to go.

But know I really shouldn't. In order of the cons that are weighing heavily:

1. My Mom of course. If I knew she didn't potentially have stage IV cancer, I'd have no problem leaving but given that there is still a possibility that she might, every minute counts. My optimism in this is my enemy here though.

2. Work - I'm way behind and this won't get any better. Although the trip is to clear my stress level out before my busy season, I will be digging a deep hole to get out of.

3. Wife entertaining family - Not as concerned about this one.

Not going is the right thing to do here, right?

Edit - I just realized I might not have updated with the most recent status. This week is a blur so I don't really remember what I posted here and what I didn't. My mom got discharged from the hospital yesterday. Risk of dropping dead in the very near term is mitigated. She has a follow up Tuesday to get cleared to fly back to Toronto.

 
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Abraham said:
Big Bottom is having the kind of bad day that puts things in perspective. :(
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Horrible f'ing news. Our kids just came home with a letter that one of their classmates dad (father of 5) just died from cancer yesterday. #### cancer and hug your kids.

 
Drifter said:
I know the answer to this but I really don't want to do it so I'm turning to the GMTAN to confirm or deny what I already know I should probably do.

I was planning to go to Denver tomorrow, camping tomorrow night, football with friends Sunday and go see a concern Monday night. I haven't been back to CO for a year and a half and this is my get ready for peak blowout.

However, my Mom won't be cleared to fly until next week and both my sisters are here and staying with us as well. Given that it's still possible that my Mom is living on borrowed time, I want to spend that time with her. I also don't want to abandon my wife to being stuck playing hostess for my family (even though she really does love them). I've also missed a lot of work this week and am way behind and taking Monday and Tuesday off will only make that worse. I also have the start of a cold.

However, given the stress of the past week, the upcoming stress until Christmas and the fact that my wife and my mom are both telling me to go, I really want to go.

But know I really shouldn't. In order of the cons that are weighing heavily:

1. My Mom of course. If I knew she didn't potentially have stage IV cancer, I'd have no problem leaving but given that there is still a possibility that she might, every minute counts. My optimism in this is my enemy here though.

2. Work - I'm way behind and this won't get any better. Although the trip is to clear my stress level out before my busy season, I will be digging a deep hole to get out of.

3. Wife entertaining family - Not as concerned about this one.

Not going is the right thing to do here, right?

Edit - I just realized I might not have updated with the most recent status. This week is a blur so I don't really remember what I posted here and what I didn't. My mom got discharged from the hospital yesterday. Risk of dropping dead in the very near term is mitigated. She has a follow up Tuesday to get cleared to fly back to Toronto.
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That's a tough one, both of them telling you to go and all but do you think you could go and not 1:) feel guilty about being there and z:>actually unwind and enjoy yourself?

 
Drifter, man - that's a tough one. You seem to have a good bunch around you and I'm sure you could use some decompression (they could, too).

I'm am the worst person to suggest what anyone should do - I forgot to eat for three days - but I'd probably hang until things became a little more clear.

But fading Uruk is always a good play.

 
This whole year sucks ###.

Give me 2012 again in a heartbeat.

Hawks, the same thing happened to one of my daughter's classmates earlier in the year. He was a self-employed handyman, she was a stay at home mom, and I think they have 3 kids iirc. Just brutal stuff. We went to a fundraiser for them, and lots of people bought lots of raffle/auction items and donated lots of money that's not going to even begin to eat into what they likely need.

Drifter, I know what you want to hear, and I hate being a buzzkille, but CO isn't going anywhere.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
This whole year sucks ###.

Give me 2012 again in a heartbeat.

Hawks, the same thing happened to one of my daughter's classmates earlier in the year. He was a self-employed handyman, she was a stay at home mom, and I think they have 3 kids iirc. Just brutal stuff. We went to a fundraiser for them, and lots of people bought lots of raffle/auction items and donated lots of money that's not going to even begin to eat into what they likely need.

Drifter, I know what you want to hear, and I hate being a buzzkille, but CO isn't going anywhere.
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True, but neither am I after this weekend until 2014. The other issue is that I really don't have any friends in Seattle which is one of the reasons you can find me drinking in the GMTAN on many Friday nights. My life here is work and family and that's about it.

 
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How much of the apparent uptick in bad news is due to the posters going from young guys in their 20s and 30s to married, divorced, fathers with aging parents and kids? I know that I haven't been around that long but just looking at how long a lot of you have been here and where you are in life now, I would imagine that 10 years ago you had a lot less other people to worry about.

:shrug:

 
mr roboto said:
How much of the apparent uptick in bad news is due to the posters going from young guys in their 20s and 30s to married, divorced, fathers with aging parents and kids? I know that I haven't been around that long but just looking at how long a lot of you have been here and where you are in life now, I would imagine that 10 years ago you had a lot less other people to worry about.

:shrug:
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I think that's at least as much, if not more of it, than people opening up.

 
Drifter said:
Bob Sacamano said:
This whole year sucks ###.

Give me 2012 again in a heartbeat.

Hawks, the same thing happened to one of my daughter's classmates earlier in the year. He was a self-employed handyman, she was a stay at home mom, and I think they have 3 kids iirc. Just brutal stuff. We went to a fundraiser for them, and lots of people bought lots of raffle/auction items and donated lots of money that's not going to even begin to eat into what they likely need.

Drifter, I know what you want to hear, and I hate being a buzzkille, but CO isn't going anywhere.
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True, but neither am I after this weekend until 2014. The other issue is that I really don't have any friends in Seattle which is one of the reasons you can find me drinking in the GMTAN on many Friday nights. My life here is work and family and that's about it.
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I'm of the opinion that you NEED to take this trip.

 
The length of time people have been on the board and the way we've aged:grown in real life is definitely a big part of people opening up.

Doesn't change the fact that life is trying to **** punch us.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Drifter said:
Bob Sacamano said:
This whole year sucks ###.

Give me 2012 again in a heartbeat.

Hawks, the same thing happened to one of my daughter's classmates earlier in the year. He was a self-employed handyman, she was a stay at home mom, and I think they have 3 kids iirc. Just brutal stuff. We went to a fundraiser for them, and lots of people bought lots of raffle/auction items and donated lots of money that's not going to even begin to eat into what they likely need.

Drifter, I know what you want to hear, and I hate being a buzzkille, but CO isn't going anywhere.
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True, but neither am I after this weekend until 2014. The other issue is that I really don't have any friends in Seattle which is one of the reasons you can find me drinking in the GMTAN on many Friday nights. My life here is work and family and that's about it.
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I'm of the opinion that you NEED to take this trip.
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Agree. I say this as a dude that's been dealing with cancers/deaths/other#### for basically 3 years straight. Enjoy the moments you can.
 
I think I should focus on the lottery. Winning that would make the others possible, at least. Mega Millions, here I come!

 
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Drifter said:
Bob Sacamano said:
This whole year sucks ###.

Give me 2012 again in a heartbeat.

Hawks, the same thing happened to one of my daughter's classmates earlier in the year. He was a self-employed handyman, she was a stay at home mom, and I think they have 3 kids iirc. Just brutal stuff. We went to a fundraiser for them, and lots of people bought lots of raffle/auction items and donated lots of money that's not going to even begin to eat into what they likely need.

Drifter, I know what you want to hear, and I hate being a buzzkille, but CO isn't going anywhere.
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True, but neither am I after this weekend until 2014. The other issue is that I really don't have any friends in Seattle which is one of the reasons you can find me drinking in the GMTAN on many Friday nights. My life here is work and family and that's about it.
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I'm happy-hour eligible in Seattle every Tues and Thurs and 3 out of 4 Fridays a month

 
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