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Worse argument in this thread so far?

All women who get abortions are immoral godless whores.

A fetus is no different than an appendix or gall bladder.

 
BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.
Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis
Sex harassment law.

Next question.

 
BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.
Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis
Uggh. I wish I wouldn't have read that statement.
Someone taught this chick to read? :jawdrop:

 
It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.
They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.
Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.
Making false generalizations about bull#### tactics is a bull#### tactic. :angry:

 
There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.
For those of you confused about what begging the question is, here is a perfect example.
I think Pickles handled this a few years ago.
Then he did a really ####ty job.

 
Perhaps you are right. I typically try to stay level-headed in most discussions. My opinions on abortion are very strong and I can get angrier than I should on a message board.
:thumbup:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and to voice that opinion. But there's definitely a difference in tone between "I think this is immoral and repugnant" and "this is immoral and repugnant."
Meh, the "I think" is implied... I think.

 
Worse argument in this thread so far?

All women who get abortions are immoral godless whores.

A fetus is no different than an appendix or gall bladder.
This might be better as its own thread but I'll ask anyway...

Let's say Darth Vader force choked a mom-to-be's fetus... or maybe he force choked a thousand fetus. No mom's were injured, is he guilty of murder(s)?

 
Worse argument in this thread so far?

All women who get abortions are immoral godless whores.

A fetus is no different than an appendix or gall bladder.
This might be better as its own thread but I'll ask anyway...

Let's say Darth Vader force choked a mom-to-be's fetus... or maybe he force choked a thousand fetus. No mom's were injured, is he guilty of murder(s)?
Was the baby his?

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.
Why not blame Wendy Davis for all that wasted money?

(I'm not saying that would be at all fair -- I honestly do respect her filibuster even if I don't agree with her position. It's just that "Think of the money we could save if only the legislature didn't have to get together to do its job" isn't a very compelling argument).

 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.

 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.
They have telephones and the internet in Texas, right? It's easy for constituents to call or email their legislator if they want.

This board skews very strongly pro-choice. My guess is that Texas legislators who support this bill are judging correctly that it is in their electoral interests to do so. The pro-life position enjoys a lot more support among the population at large (especially in red states) than it does here. I'm very firmly convinced that people in this forum have a warped view of the raw politics of this issue.

 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.
Don't you think they've discussed the matter with their constituents? It's not like this is a novel question.

 
BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.
Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis
Pretty sure laws against public nudity would qualify, no?
Were these nudity rights granted to him by the supreme court, then revoked by a bunch of old women?

 
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BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.
Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis
Laws against rape are a really obvious example.

Before you jump back in with "but rape and abortion are two totally different things," both of them involve laws that regulate what people can do with their bodies (which directly addresses the point you were trying to make), and from the pro-life perspective both represent massive violations of the rights of another person.

So yeah, we can dispense with this argument.
I love you man but this is stupid. Are laws against murder laws that have to do with your body?
cosjobs asked for an example of women making laws about what I can do with my penis. Laws against rape clearly qualify.

The whole thing about "laws about what I can do with my body" is dumb and misses the point. Nobody gets to use their body in a way that leads to the death of another human being. All of us on all sides of the political spectrum agree that it's okay for the government to restrict my personal autonomy by passing laws that restrict me from killing people. The only issue is whether or not abortion amounts to "killing someone" in a philosophically meaningful sense. All of the other stuff that people throw out there are just empty bumper sticker arguments.
There is no conceivable way to claim that laws against someone forcing their penis into someones ###### against their will are the same as laws that make women have unnecessary medical procedures and keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure. Your rights stop at the end of my nose.
You don't get to use "keeps a doctor from performing a legal medical procedure" as an argument when the issue is whether or not said medical procedure should be legal.
It's been legal for decades.
So was slavery.
You are comparing slavery to abortion?
Slavery wasn't nearly as bad
:lol:

 
BTW, I'm pretty sure that "men shouldn't be able to tell women what to do with their body" is about the stupidest argument for a law ever. Men and women make laws about what men and women can't do with their body all the time.
Please remind me the last time a bunch of women voted and made laws governing your penis
Pretty sure laws against public nudity would qualify, no?
Were these nudity rights granted to him by the supreme court, then revoked by a bunch of old women?
I wasn't aware that was the question you asked in the previous post. However, SCOTUS has reversed itself in the past, and someday will do so again. Saying it's "settled law" isn't a good argument either. One could argue that until very recently, gay marriage was settled law.
 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.
Don't you think they've discussed the matter with their constituents? It's not like this is a novel question.
I would bet my life they haven't discussed it with their constituents for the most part. Not to say the constituents opinion is contrary to the legislator but I'm sure they don't hold forums or town halls or solicit opinion on it.

 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.
Don't you think they've discussed the matter with their constituents? It's not like this is a novel question.
I would bet my life they haven't discussed it with their constituents for the most part. Not to say the constituents opinion is contrary to the legislator but I'm sure they don't hold forums or town halls or solicit opinion on it.
Politicians generally do that which they believe will get them re-elected. While you may be right that they haven't held forums or town halls I bet they have solicited enough opinions that they know which way the majority of their constituents want them to vote.

 
There is clearly opposition to this bill. A special session for July 1 does not give legislators time to consult with constituents. Which is further proof that they don't care what the constituents have to say.
Don't you think they've discussed the matter with their constituents? It's not like this is a novel question.
I would bet my life they haven't discussed it with their constituents for the most part. Not to say the constituents opinion is contrary to the legislator but I'm sure they don't hold forums or town halls or solicit opinion on it.
Politicians generally do that which they believe will get them re-elected. While you may be right that they haven't held forums or town halls I bet they have solicited enough opinions that they know which way the majority of their constituents want them to vote.
The only opinions they solicit are the ones that affirm their views. I Agree and understand that it's politics as usual. But they carefully craft their public interaction to validate their own views, not solicit opinions. I used to do it for a living for the master of Texas politics. Like any good attorney, our office never asked a question without knowing the answer in advance.

 
As a corrallary, I won't be at all shocked of Davis loses he post next election. She had clout as the chair of the education committee and that is gone. If the GOP can find someone remotely competent to run against her she could lose by 15 points.

 
Is abortion something that politicians should vote based off their constituency?
As opposed to what?
Their own values. Could you vote against your own values if the majority of your constituents supported it?
That's kind of the point. If you don't, the system should correct itself. This happens when pissed off constituents vote for the other candidate in the future.
Assuming it is an issue worth basing your vote on, which for many isn't abortion. Just looking at polls, it seems most Texans were in favor of SB5 so it seems that the opposition isn't greater, just louder. So the previous indication that somehow Republicans pushing this through without consulting their constituency isn't right. But if that is the way we are going to go, why not just make everything referendums?

 
Pro life is the defacto opinion of the majority here. I get that. She used an option to oppose it. The majority still has the majority opinion on their side. I am just pointing out that this would have been a chance for our bumbling governor to say, "this issue is clearly important to a lot of people and it is important enough to revisit debate and be sure of what we do" rather then calling them back to work on Monday for more of the same.

 
i think she might have some legs in national politics and i wonder if she will be a vp pick in three years brohans

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.
Why not blame Wendy Davis for all that wasted money?

(I'm not saying that would be at all fair -- I honestly do respect her filibuster even if I don't agree with her position. It's just that "Think of the money we could save if only the legislature didn't have to get together to do its job" isn't a very compelling argument).
The reason why this is the 2nd special session. He tried and failed in the first session, its time to move on and lets get other work that we need. Remember this Gov. Is turning down help for healthcare and for education. So if he is really concerned about the born, then focus on when they are here and breathing and those that need his help today!!

 
No, but I'd make it clear during the election if my position on such a controversial issue went against party platform. That's probably why I'm not a politician.
I knew a LA who said he wasn't a politician because he was fat, ugly, and had done every drug known to mankind. I think some varation of that might be a standard legislative aide joke.

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.
Why not blame Wendy Davis for all that wasted money?

(I'm not saying that would be at all fair -- I honestly do respect her filibuster even if I don't agree with her position. It's just that "Think of the money we could save if only the legislature didn't have to get together to do its job" isn't a very compelling argument).
The Governor doesn't have to call for a special session on this.

 
It did pass, but it was ruled that it was not a valid vote. So it failed at this time.

What I find so funny, is that Republicans are so concerned about a fetus, yet have no concerns for them when they are born. Also Republicans want smaller Govt, yet want to tell a woman that she cannot control what goes on in her body.
They are not pro-life. They have a fetus fetish.
Oh please. Stop this crap. This is as terrible of posting as possible. Making false generalizations about people is a bull#### tactic.
Yeah get back to me when the same people against abortion aren't also voting to end food stamps or medical care for the children they claim to love so ####### much.
Pro-Life

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.
Why not blame Wendy Davis for all that wasted money?

(I'm not saying that would be at all fair -- I honestly do respect her filibuster even if I don't agree with her position. It's just that "Think of the money we could save if only the legislature didn't have to get together to do its job" isn't a very compelling argument).
The Governor doesn't have to call for a special session on this.
True, and there also wouldn't be a special session on this if Davis hadn't filibustered the bill.

 
Rick Perry called another special session for July 1. I just can't imagine what emergency issue will be on the call.
Just think about all this money that they waste for this "special" session, when it could go to the great educators of this state. Since they seem to have problems funding the education system in Texas.
Why not blame Wendy Davis for all that wasted money?

(I'm not saying that would be at all fair -- I honestly do respect her filibuster even if I don't agree with her position. It's just that "Think of the money we could save if only the legislature didn't have to get together to do its job" isn't a very compelling argument).
The Governor doesn't have to call for a special session on this.
True, and there also wouldn't be a special session on this if Davis hadn't filibustered the bill.
And the filibuster wouldn't have worked if they had gotten to the bill earlier in the session instead of working 2 day weeks for the first month and deliberately making it a last-day bill so there would be headlines about all their hard work during the session.

 

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