Goodbye Rams (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

Yes!!! Rams are back.........time to put aside $$$$ for PSL's

Pumpkin spice lattes?

Poop stained lingerie?

 

[cstu]

Not so Mr. Kroenke. He has at least seven homes, but unless you count Columbia, Missouri, as a St. Louis suburb, none of them local. He has never pretended to be anything but an absentee overlord.

The message couldn't be more clear: Stan Kroenke doesn't need St. Louis. Moving the team to a new stadium in Los Angeles could double or triple the value of his asset. The smart play (to use a phrase not normally associated with the Rams) is to move to L.A.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

The best case scenario is that Kroenke sells the Rams to another owner or to the City of St. Louis and then is rewarded an expansion team in L.A. Then it turns out that Kroenke is highly leveraged in some business that goes bad,he loses all of his money, is homeless, then gets ball cancer.

 

[Riversco]

The best case scenario is that Kroenke sells the Rams to another owner or to the City of St. Louis and then is rewarded an expansion team in L.A. Then it turns out that Kroenke is highly leveraged in some business that goes bad,he loses all of his money, is homeless, then gets ball cancer.

Well, that escalated quickly!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is there any ghost of a chance that Kroenke will try to leverage the situation to be the owner of an L.A. Expansion team and sell/swap Rams to someone else? I know that Rosenbloom did this with the Colts back in the day.

-QG

They did a straight up swap, no expansion team existed, and teams weren't valued like they are now. I wonder what the Irsay heirs think when they realize they could have had L.A.

Today I would think a swap between the No. 2 market in L.A. and the 25th or 21st market Baltimore or St. Louis is would be considered highway robbery. Why take St. Louis when you can bid for L.A.? Anyway the NFL doesn't seem in the mood for messing with the aligned divisions and finding a 34th city at this point.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Is there any ghost of a chance that Kroenke will try to leverage the situation to be the owner of an L.A. Expansion team and sell/swap Rams to someone else? I know that Rosenbloom did this with the Colts back in the day.

-QG

They did a straight up swap, no expansion team existed, and teams weren't valued like they are now. I wonder what the Irsay heirs think when they realize they could have had L.A.

Today I would think a swap between the No. 2 market in L.A. and the 25th or 21st market Baltimore or St. Louis is would be considered highway robbery. Why take St. Louis when you can bid for L.A.? Anyway the NFL doesn't seem in the mood for messing with the aligned divisions and finding a 34th city at this point.

If only there were some way to make things even with all of the rest of the owners.

It also sucks, for many, many reasons besides sports, that there was finally real progress to merge the St. Louis City and County and then came the Ferguson debacle. If it would happen, St. Louis would be a top 10 TV market. You can get a heck of a lot more things done then.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Stan Kroenke - C - Rams

Profootballtalk reports Rams owner Stan Kroenke intends to move the team to Los Angeles "with or without" league approval.

Mike Florio's report comes via a source with "knowledge of the current dynamics in Southern California." The same source tells Florio that Kroenke doesn't currently have the 24 votes required for relocation. Kroenke is apparently unmoved by this, however, and has reportedly assured the mayor of Inglewood he'll be coming regardless of the league's wishes. It's a bold, confrontational stance, one that could result in a protracted legal battle. The takeaway from the past two days is that Kroenke, a Missouri native, is dead set on heading to Hollywood.

Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

Jan 6 - 8:08 PM

 

[5Rings]

St. Louis is in the process of building a new stadium. Rams ain't going anywhere

I'm sorry, but you are consistently 100% wrong on your Ram takes. TGunz II.

 

[ShamrockPride]

So what happens first here with this LA stadium? Rams move there or NFL hosts a super bowl there before a team even moves in?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

 

[Blackjacks]

I am really upset by this. The St Louis market has supported this bad team very well since the move. When they gave us a decent product on the field the dome was packed and ever since (when we have had one of the poorest records in the last 10 years) we have still supported the team very well.

Oh well Kroenke, best wishes. Their is a difference between being a businessman and a straight up liar and you my good sir, are the latter!

 

[GDogg]

I am really upset by this. The St Louis market has supported this bad team very well since the move. When they gave us a decent product on the field the dome was packed and ever since (when we have had one of the poorest records in the last 10 years) we have still supported the team very well.

Oh well Kroenke, best wishes. Their is a difference between being a businessman and a straight up liar and you my good sir, are the latter!

Now you know how Los Angeles feels about Georgia Frontiere (who was also a murderer).

 

[biju]

I am really upset by this. The St Louis market has supported this bad team very well since the move. When they gave us a decent product on the field the dome was packed and ever since (when we have had one of the poorest records in the last 10 years) we have still supported the team very well.

Oh well Kroenke, best wishes. Their is a difference between being a businessman and a straight up liar and you my good sir, are the latter!

Now you know how Los Angeles feels about Georgia Frontiere (who was also a murderer).

And Seattle about David Stern.

 

[cstu]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

 

[cstu]

Kroenke won't take calls from Mayor Francis Slay or other city leaders, said Maggie Crane, Slay's spokeswoman.

"He hasn't responded, he hasn't called back, he hasn't done anything," Crane said of Kroenke.

"After a while, you sort of get the hint," said Jeff Rainford, the mayor's chief of staff.

 

[(HULK)]

Expansion would pretty much have to be 4 teams, wouldn't it? Then it's 18 per conference, you can do 3 6 team divisions.

If that were to happen, I'd expect it to be international as well. London, Mexico City, Montreal, and LA would be my guess.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Lol...I'm not the dude you responded to butttt....I actually do. LA man. Wayyy too much to do in that city/surrounding region. And the stadium being domed would be a deal breaker IMO. Why you gonna willingly lock yourself away from that glorious SoCal sunshine? I think the first season would be easy to sellout due to the anticipation, but is that sustainable?

 

[massraider]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Of course they will, unless they provide a playoff team every year.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Of course they will, unless they provide a playoff team every year.

Totally agree. If the Rams are as bad in LA as they are in St. Louis, they will average less fans in LA than in StL. I don't care how big the market is, LA has proven time and time again across every sport that they simply do not show up for losers.

 

[Marauder]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Of course they will, unless they provide a playoff team every year.

Totally agree. If the Rams are as bad in LA as they are in St. Louis, they will average less fans in LA than in StL. I don't care how big the market is, LA has proven time and time again across every sport that they simply do not show up for losers.

This is just not true. The Rams always drew very well when they were in the Coliseum. The Dodgers, Angels, Lakers and Kings have always drawn well. The LA fans bad reputation all stems from that period of time when the Rams were in Anaheim and the Raiders were in LA. You can read post 55 in this thread for my explanation of what happened there. Suffice to say that the Rams moving to Anaheim was one of the worst decisions any sports franchise has ever made.

If the Rams moved into a state of the art stadium in Inglewood, they would sell out nearly every game.

 

[TDorBust]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Ram to LA actually makes the divisions better as the Ram would truly be WEST. Also London is the next leverage for NFL teams to use...

Also why would Kroenke be in court? Did I miss something he owns the team and if the NFL approves he's good?

 

[Marauder]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Ram to LA actually makes the divisions better as the Ram would truly be WEST. Also London is the next leverage for NFL teams to use...

Also why would Kroenke be in court? Did I miss something he owns the team and if the NFL approves he's good?

Because the rumors are he doesn't have the votes from the other owners but he's going to move anyway.

 

[cstu]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Of course they will, unless they provide a playoff team every year.

Totally agree. If the Rams are as bad in LA as they are in St. Louis, they will average less fans in LA than in StL. I don't care how big the market is, LA has proven time and time again across every sport that they simply do not show up for losers.

The Rams had no problems selling tickets when they were in LA - the only problem was selling 100k to avoid blackouts due to the Coliseum's size. After Frontiere moved them to Anaheim (a baseball field no less) in 1980 they sold out 70k seats. It didn't help that they played second fiddle to Montana and the 49ers the entire time they were in Anaheim.

Then the Raiders moved to LA in 1982 and siphoned off Rams fans. The Raiders attracted a lot of thuggish fans who scared away a lot of football fans and for many on the west side of LA a drive to Anaheim is too far.

Another thing to consider is that Los Angeles of the early 90's is not the Los Angeles of today. The economy is good and basketball and baseball are not as popular.

 

[Capella]

Oh I'm pretty sure basketball in LA is pretty popular right now. The Lakers are always a scene and the Clippers are resurgent.

 

[cstu]

Oh I'm pretty sure basketball in LA is pretty popular right now. The Lakers are always a scene and the Clippers are resurgent.

Both are still popular and people are going to the games, but there seems to be a lot less interest in them this year.

The Lakers averaged a 2.25 rating for those games on Time Warner Cable SportsNet, down 28% from the 3.14 at the start of last season.

The Clippers averaged a 1.24 on Prime Ticket, down 16% from the 1.47 they achieved early last season.

The Lakers' ratings are near the historic low of 2.11 they averaged all of last season, the worst on record for local Lakers telecasts and a 54% drop from the 2012-13 season, when they averaged a 4.63.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-fyi-20141216-story.html

 

[Capella]

that's because the Lakers are the worst team in the league.

Please don't pretend like the Lakers aren't popular in LA.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Remember when the pats had to move SB practice indoors because someone was watching from a nearby hotel window? Maybe the rams would be staying put if they didnt cheat.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Oh I'm pretty sure basketball in LA is pretty popular right now. The Lakers are always a scene and the Clippers are resurgent.

Both are still popular and people are going to the games, but there seems to be a lot less interest in them this year.

The Lakers averaged a 2.25 rating for those games on Time Warner Cable SportsNet, down 28% from the 3.14 at the start of last season.

The Clippers averaged a 1.24 on Prime Ticket, down 16% from the 1.47 they achieved early last season.

The Lakers' ratings are near the historic low of 2.11 they averaged all of last season, the worst on record for local Lakers telecasts and a 54% drop from the 2012-13 season, when they averaged a 4.63.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-fyi-20141216-story.html

You're just proving my point that LA fans don't support losers.

 

[bagger]

that's because the Lakers are the worst team in the league.

Please don't pretend like the Lakers aren't popular in LA.

this.LA is a Lakers town. Just bcause the team is complete poop and people have better things to do than watch that garbage on TV doesn't mean that as soon as they are halfway decent again ratings fly back up.

No way do the owners approve a team coming to LA as they love holding their cities hostage with the threat of moving to la. If a team does come it will not be supported unless it is a playoff team within a few years of checking out the new stadium.

So many transplants here with Midwest or east coast football ties that the rather just sit at home with Sunday ticket.

Best solution would be chargers coming up to Orange County where it would be renamed the Southern CA Chargers and drawing from LA, OC, and SD Counties.

L A fans barely even want a NFL team let alone some crappy retread of a franchise.

 

[cstu]

that's because the Lakers are the worst team in the league.

Please don't pretend like the Lakers aren't popular in LA.

this.LA is a Lakers town. Just bcause the team is complete poop and people have better things to do than watch that garbage on TV doesn't mean that as soon as they are halfway decent again ratings fly back up.

No way do the owners approve a team coming to LA as they love holding their cities hostage with the threat of moving to la. If a team does come it will not be supported unless it is a playoff team within a few years of checking out the new stadium.

So many transplants here with Midwest or east coast football ties that the rather just sit at home with Sunday ticket.

Best solution would be chargers coming up to Orange County where it would be renamed the Southern CA Chargers and drawing from LA, OC, and SD Counties.

L A fans barely even want a NFL team let alone some crappy retread of a franchise.

Gotta love all the people who aren't from LA telling everyone about LA.

 

[QuizGuy66]

that's because the Lakers are the worst team in the league. Western Conference

Please don't pretend like the Lakers aren't popular in LA.

Hey they'd probably be a playoff team in the East. And nobody can match the unstoppable force of losing that the Knicks are at this point. Not even the Sixers.

-QG

 

[GDogg]

I don't think the NFL REALLY wants a team in LA again. It's been fantastic leverage for any owner looking for a new stadium. I especially don't think the NFL wants an expansion team either. The conferences and divisions break down perfectly right now. Adding one, or two, more teams would screw all that up while killing LA as leverage for owners.

If Kroenke moves the Rams to LA, he's going to be looking at a lot of years in court and my guess is a lot of suspicious calls against his team for a long time. That doesn't mean he won't do it, but I think it will ultimately be looked at as a bad decision.

Frankly, I think LA seems like a more attractive market than it really is.

Do you think they'll have trouble selling out?

Of course they will, unless they provide a playoff team every year.

Totally agree. If the Rams are as bad in LA as they are in St. Louis, they will average less fans in LA than in StL. I don't care how big the market is, LA has proven time and time again across every sport that they simply do not show up for losers.

They have?

The Dodgers have led the league or been in the top 3 in attendance in 53 out of the 57 years they've been in L.A. Over the last 12 years, the only year they weren't in the top 3 was when the fans were boycotting games to get Frank McCourt ousted (which obviously happened). This, despite only making the playoffs 8 times since they last won a world series in 1988 and not having a single world series appearance in that same timeframe.

The Rams still hold several attendance records from their days in Los Angeles. They had no problems with attendance. And, again, they only appeared in one super bowl in L.A.

The Lakers are currently 10th in attendance despite being awful. They finished 8th last season in their worst season ever. Top 10 attendance when the team is among the five worst teams in the league is not supporting losers?

I think an L.A. Rams team will do very well in attendance when they move to Inglewood.

 

[bigmarc27]

Expansion would pretty much have to be 4 teams, wouldn't it? Then it's 18 per conference, you can do 3 6 team divisions.

If that were to happen, I'd expect it to be international as well. London, Mexico City, Montreal, and LA would be my guess.

There's already too many bad teams, why dilute the talent pool further?

 

[cstu]

They have?

The Dodgers have led the league or been in the top 3 in attendance in 53 out of the 57 years they've been in L.A. Over the last 12 years, the only year they weren't in the top 3 was when the fans were boycotting games to get Frank McCourt ousted (which obviously happened). This, despite only making the playoffs 8 times since they last won a world series in 1988 and not having a single world series appearance in that same timeframe.

The Rams still hold several attendance records from their days in Los Angeles. They had no problems with attendance. And, again, they only appeared in one super bowl in L.A.

The Lakers are currently 10th in attendance despite being awful. They finished 8th last season in their worst season ever. Top 10 attendance when the team is among the five worst teams in the league is not supporting losers?

I think an L.A. Rams team will do very well in attendance when they move to Inglewood.

This is what I've been saying.

NFL games get around a 25% share (% of homes watching the NFL) which is higher than about 12 cities who actually do have NFL teams.

Don't confuse Angelenos sick of being jerked around by NFL owners with lack of interest in having a NFL team. After what happened with the Rams and Raiders the people here aren't going to beg for a team.

 

[Fresh Prince of Bel Nor]

I love that there is now a proposal for an open-air stadium in downtown St. Louis on the table. It sounds like a good plan as well. I wonder if the powers that be would move forward if the Rams left in the coming months.

http://www.kmov.com/sports/football/Plans-for-new-St-Louis-football-stadium-by-river-unveiled-288070971.html

 

[OC Zed]

I love that there is now a proposal for an open-air stadium in downtown St. Louis on the table. It sounds like a good plan as well. I wonder if the powers that be would move forward if the Rams left in the coming months.

http://www.kmov.com/sports/football/Plans-for-new-St-Louis-football-stadium-by-river-unveiled-288070971.html

They want to spent $900 million on a stadium and it wouldn't even have a retractable roof? Lord, you guys are doing something wrong.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Expansion would pretty much have to be 4 teams, wouldn't it? Then it's 18 per conference, you can do 3 6 team divisions.

If that were to happen, I'd expect it to be international as well. London, Mexico City, Montreal, and LA would be my guess.

They could add 1 expansion team and have 2 divisions of 16/17 teams. Division winners get a BYE and the next 6 teams from each division make the playoffs.

 

[bagger]

that's because the Lakers are the worst team in the league.

Please don't pretend like the Lakers aren't popular in LA.

this.LA is a Lakers town. Just bcause the team is complete poop and people have better things to do than watch that garbage on TV doesn't mean that as soon as they are halfway decent again ratings fly back up.

No way do the owners approve a team coming to LA as they love holding their cities hostage with the threat of moving to la. If a team does come it will not be supported unless it is a playoff team within a few years of checking out the new stadium.

So many transplants here with Midwest or east coast football ties that the rather just sit at home with Sunday ticket.

Best solution would be chargers coming up to Orange County where it would be renamed the Southern CA Chargers and drawing from LA, OC, and SD Counties.

L A fans barely even want a NFL team let alone some crappy retread of a franchise.

Gotta love all the people who aren't from LA telling everyone about LA.

how am I not from LA again?

 

[cstu]

Rams are on there way back !!!! lease was pushed to year to year at the Dome.......Long Live the LA Rams2 !!!!

FOOTBALL!!!!!!

I've journeyed from So Cal to St. Louis every year since they left....probably been there 22 - 24 times, so I feel bad for the tons of STL people I made friends with.....

But to have the chance to tailgate again in SOCAL will be great..........my two sons were 1 year old and the other was - 3 ( now 20 and 16 ) when they pulled up from Anaheim Stadium and left.....I've taken them to tons of games in ST.Loouie....but this will be awesome.......

I'm too young to remember them actually playing in LA. I've always been a Chargers fan because I despise the Raiders. It'll be nice having a more local team to root for. Maybe the Chargers will also move up here!

I'm a Chargers fan for the same reason and used to want them to move here, but don't think it's fair to SD. The Rams on the other hand used to be here and for them to come back would be less of an impact on STL.

Do hope the Chargers get a new stadium though...I haven't gone to games in a few years because it didn't feel worth it to drive all the way there to see a game at Qualcomm.

 

[Faust]

Rams are on there way back !!!! lease was pushed to year to year at the Dome.......Long Live the LA Rams2 !!!!

Rams owner's stadium plan pushes NFL closer to L.A. return

 

[St. Louis Bob]

There are 4 of us left with season tickets, out of 20, since the Rams came to St. Louis. I'm shocked that my other 3 buddies all wanted to renew this year. I just paid my bill, what are the rest of you STL ST holders doing?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

This make me happy

 

[QuizGuy66]

This make me happy

"Answer a survey question to continue reading this content
Question 1 of 2 or fewer:
Have you moved within the past six months or are you planning to move from your current residence within the next six months?"

Wonder how Kroenke answered this when he checked out the article.

-QG

 

[St. Louis Bob]

This make me happy

"Answer a survey question to continue reading this content
Question 1 of 2 or fewer:
Have you moved within the past six months or are you planning to move from your current residence within the next six months?"

Wonder how Kroenke answered this when he checked out the article.

-QG

 

[TDorBust]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/story/_/id/12378821/inglewood-city-council-oks-fast-tracking-st-louis-rams-backed-nfl-stadium

Not looking good for St. Louis, I know there is politics to be played out but I am not even from LA and this is exciting to think about. Not to mention its nice to have teams rumored to be moving in the US instead of to London all the time.

 

[TheFanatic]

So Kroenke buys some land in LA, not enough to build a stadium but most of the land, and St. Louis unveils a new stadium plan. The Chargers and the Raiders see this and announce they are going to share a stadium in LA. Seems like LA is being used as a pawn again as usual. The only difference is that Kroenke bought a ton of land. Him being a real estate developer means it won't be a problem to move the land if he keeps the Rams in St. Louis.

 

[cstu]

So Kroenke buys some land in LA, not enough to build a stadium but most of the land, and St. Louis unveils a new stadium plan. The Chargers and the Raiders see this and announce they are going to share a stadium in LA. Seems like LA is being used as a pawn again as usual. The only difference is that Kroenke bought a ton of land. Him being a real estate developer means it won't be a problem to move the land if he keeps the Rams in St. Louis.

Do you think all of this is just leverage to get St. Louis to pitch in more funding? From what I've read St. Louis is going to require Kroenke and the NFL to put in about half. Not sure why he'd want to do that when he's sitting on a gold mine in Inglewood.

 

[Casting Couch]

So Kroenke buys some land in LA, not enough to build a stadium but most of the land, and St. Louis unveils a new stadium plan. The Chargers and the Raiders see this and announce they are going to share a stadium in LA. Seems like LA is being used as a pawn again as usual. The only difference is that Kroenke bought a ton of land. Him being a real estate developer means it won't be a problem to move the land if he keeps the Rams in St. Louis.

Do you think all of this is just leverage to get St. Louis to pitch in more funding? From what I've read St. Louis is going to require Kroenke and the NFL to put in about half. Not sure why he'd want to do that when he's sitting on a gold mine in Inglewood.

Concur. This is wishful thinking from STL fan. Kroenke does not buy land in Inglewood if he's not dead serious about building a stadium.

This 5-0 vote today is moving this plan even closer to reality. The smart money is on the Rams moving to Inglewood.

 

[This_Guy]

The Kroenke deal is the most substantial thing I have seen in LA in 20 years. If feels a lot more real than anything yet. He has all the land he needs, a development plan, support of the city of Inglewood, partners and a team. That last thing is a huge key to the whole thing. Up to this point every stadium plan involved a group that didn't own a team and was usually dependent on the developer getting a part of a team in the deal. Supposedly the vote last night will allow them to start building this December. Now the only real obstacle is legal battles with the NFL, which could be a problem but it didn't stop Al Davis.

I think the Chargers / Raiders plan is them seeing the leverage of a vacant LA slipping away. For 20 years teams used that leverage to get a new stadium in their home market. Those 2 teams see something that is very real in the Kroenke deal and know they need to act fast to utilize that leverage.

 

[TheFanatic]

So Kroenke buys some land in LA, not enough to build a stadium but most of the land, and St. Louis unveils a new stadium plan. The Chargers and the Raiders see this and announce they are going to share a stadium in LA. Seems like LA is being used as a pawn again as usual. The only difference is that Kroenke bought a ton of land. Him being a real estate developer means it won't be a problem to move the land if he keeps the Rams in St. Louis.

Do you think all of this is just leverage to get St. Louis to pitch in more funding? From what I've read St. Louis is going to require Kroenke and the NFL to put in about half. Not sure why he'd want to do that when he's sitting on a gold mine in Inglewood.

Last I heard is that the people of St. Louis pay a tax that is just about to end on the current stadium. If they extend that tax, get a couple hundred mill from the NFL then Kroenke will not have to put in a ton. Probably the same amount as the NFL.

There is still a long way to go on this, and I feel that the Rams are moving, but still have the 20 years of leveraging LA for a new stadium elsewhere eating at me...