Goodbye Rams (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

@DailyNewsVinny: #Rams received over 45,000 deposits on season tickets over the first 48 hours they were available. WOW

 

[St. Louis Bob]

The NFL report cited at least two issues with the St. Louis proposal.

1 - Legislators have threatened to block bond funding.

2 - St. Louis has asked for $100 million more than the $200 millionleague maximum.

I wonder where they got that idea from? Neat league.

 

[JohnW1970]

Somebody better check on Bulger2holt. Dude was just adamant that the Rams would not be moving. He's been gone since the announcement.

 

[drummer]

Somebody better check on Bulger2holt. Dude was just adamant that the Rams would not be moving. He's been gone since the announcement.

His alias has Marc Bulger in it.

Yeah, you have a point.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

@DailyNewsVinny: #Rams received over 45,000 deposits on season tickets over the first 48 hours they were available. WOW

fwiw the "deposit" was only a refundable $100. I'm surprised it took 48 hours, but then there weren't really big announcements through news outlets (or I missed it). and this is for the coliseum, i'm sure there will be wheeling and dealing once the Inglewood stadium is finally up. the tix for the coliseum games should be (or I'm hoping they are) significantly cheaper than what the new stadium prices will be.

 

[TDorBust]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

St Louis is just another city in their eyes likely.

Portland, Ok City, St Louis, Mexico City, San Antonio, Las Vegas

Those are probably all pretty even.

 

[davearm]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

 

[kcfflguy]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Maybe but my guess the way this went down the city won't be handing out money to the NFL anytime soon

 

[davearm]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Define "prepared". There's a site, and local municipalities have around $350M to contribute (around 1/3 the cost of the stadium).

Someone just needs to come up with the other ~$700M and they'll be truly prepared.

 

[Tau837]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Define "prepared". There's a site, and local municipalities have around $350M to contribute (around 1/3 the cost of the stadium).

Someone just needs to come up with the other ~$700M and they'll be truly prepared.

I have no stake in this, but you make it sound like a bigger problem than it is. The NFL G4 loan program would provide $200M, and the sale of naming rights, PSLs, and luxury suites should generate $400M or more. A motivated NFL owner and a motivated city/county (if they are truly motivated and have the $350M) could figure out how to bridge that gap.

 

[dparker713]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Define "prepared". There's a site, and local municipalities have around $350M to contribute (around 1/3 the cost of the stadium).

Someone just needs to come up with the other ~$700M and they'll be truly prepared.

I have no stake in this, but you make it sound like a bigger problem than it is. The NFL G4 loan program would provide $200M, and the sale of naming rights, PSLs, and luxury suites should generate $400M or more. A motivated NFL owner and a motivated city/county (if they are truly motivated and have the $350M) could figure out how to bridge that gap.

Or a sports franchise could actually pay for their own facilities. I know, I know, crazy talk.

 

[drummer]

I just hope Ram fan isn't as horrid as Seahawk fan. They were back in the Martz era. But at least they know what a DIVISION RIVALRY means. Probably because they haven't been kicked around divisions as much as the Seahawks have.

Ram fans are so bitter that one Ram fan said is best: "I don't care if we go 2-14, as long as those 2 wins are against the 49ers".

We still never heard from Squawk fan then, because they were too busy whining HOLMGONE.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

stop.

 

[davearm]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Define "prepared". There's a site, and local municipalities have around $350M to contribute (around 1/3 the cost of the stadium).

Someone just needs to come up with the other ~$700M and they'll be truly prepared.

I have no stake in this, but you make it sound like a bigger problem than it is. The NFL G4 loan program would provide $200M, and the sale of naming rights, PSLs, and luxury suites should generate $400M or more. A motivated NFL owner and a motivated city/county (if they are truly motivated and have the $350M) could figure out how to bridge that gap.

Those revenue sources aren't exclusive to St Louis.The deal St Louis put on the table was pretty awful for the Rams, and any other NFL owner.

 

[Tau837]

Why aren't all th teams that want new stadiums rushing to St Louis now that it could be all theirs?

Because there is no new stadium in St Louis?

Werent they prepared to build?

Define "prepared". There's a site, and local municipalities have around $350M to contribute (around 1/3 the cost of the stadium).

Someone just needs to come up with the other ~$700M and they'll be truly prepared.

I have no stake in this, but you make it sound like a bigger problem than it is. The NFL G4 loan program would provide $200M, and the sale of naming rights, PSLs, and luxury suites should generate $400M or more. A motivated NFL owner and a motivated city/county (if they are truly motivated and have the $350M) could figure out how to bridge that gap.

Those revenue sources aren't exclusive to St Louis.The deal St Louis put on the table was pretty awful for the Rams, and any other NFL owner.

I didn't say those revenue sources were exclusive to St. Louis. But if there are teams (e.g., Oakland) who are in bad stadium situations, it might be an improvement to move to a city willing to commit $350M (if indeed STL is definitely willing to do so). To put it another way, how much is Oakland willing to commit? How much is San Diego willing to commit? Are those commitments guaranteed or do they still require voter approval? Etc.

 

[davearm]

We're arguing semantics now. St. Louis might be *more* prepared than places like Oakland and San Diego (I'm not sure), but they're still not prepared.

If STL has $350M, and those other places have less than that, then none of them are prepared to build a new NFL stadium... not without the majority of the funding coming from the owner and/or the league anyway.

 

[Tau837]

We're arguing semantics now. St. Louis might be *more* prepared than places like Oakland and San Diego (I'm not sure), but they're still not prepared.

If STL has $350M, and those other places have less than that, then none of them are prepared to build a new NFL stadium... not without the majority of the funding coming from the owner and/or the league anyway.

Revenue from naming rights, PSLs, luxury suites, marketing deals/sponsorships, concessions/parking, etc. would be a huge part of any NFL stadium deal anywhere, and that is not coming from the owner/league.

If a stadium costs $1B, a reasonable notional breakdown of how to fund it is as follows:

$200M NFL G4 loan

$350M City/county

$175M Naming rights

$100M PSLs

$150M Luxury suites

$25M Other (marketing sponsorships, parking, concessions, etc.)

That breakdown shows $200M (20%) coming from owner/league. Sure, this is notional, and some of these items are market-dependent, but it's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

The more the cost increases above $1B, the more difficult it gets, but $1.5B is still doable with the owner/league contributing less than one third of the cost and the city/county contributing less than $500M. See this post where I addressed this for San Diego. Not saying I laid everything out perfectly, but I think you are overstating how poor the STL situation is from a stadium financing perspective.

 

[dparker713]

We're arguing semantics now. St. Louis might be *more* prepared than places like Oakland and San Diego (I'm not sure), but they're still not prepared.

If STL has $350M, and those other places have less than that, then none of them are prepared to build a new NFL stadium... not without the majority of the funding coming from the owner and/or the league anyway.

Revenue from naming rights, PSLs, luxury suites, marketing deals/sponsorships, concessions/parking, etc. would be a huge part of any NFL stadium deal anywhere, and that is not coming from the owner/league.

If a stadium costs $1B, a reasonable notional breakdown of how to fund it is as follows:

$200M NFL G4 loan

$350M City/county

$175M Naming rights

$100M PSLs

$150M Luxury suites

$25M Other (marketing sponsorships, parking, concessions, etc.)

That breakdown shows $200M (20%) coming from owner/league. Sure, this is notional, and some of these items are market-dependent, but it's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

The more the cost increases above $1B, the more difficult it gets, but $1.5B is still doable with the owner/league contributing less than one third of the cost and the city/county contributing less than $500M. See this post where I addressed this for San Diego. Not saying I laid everything out perfectly, but I think you are overstating how poor the STL situation is from a stadium financing perspective.

There is no world where a city/count paying $350M for a stadium is reasonable.

 

[davearm]

We're arguing semantics now. St. Louis might be *more* prepared than places like Oakland and San Diego (I'm not sure), but they're still not prepared.

If STL has $350M, and those other places have less than that, then none of them are prepared to build a new NFL stadium... not without the majority of the funding coming from the owner and/or the league anyway.

Revenue from naming rights, PSLs, luxury suites, marketing deals/sponsorships, concessions/parking, etc. would be a huge part of any NFL stadium deal anywhere, and that is not coming from the owner/league.

If a stadium costs $1B, a reasonable notional breakdown of how to fund it is as follows:

$200M NFL G4 loan

$350M City/county

$175M Naming rights

$100M PSLs

$150M Luxury suites

$25M Other (marketing sponsorships, parking, concessions, etc.)

That breakdown shows $200M (20%) coming from owner/league. Sure, this is notional, and some of these items are market-dependent, but it's not as bad as you are making it out to be.

The more the cost increases above $1B, the more difficult it gets, but $1.5B is still doable with the owner/league contributing less than one third of the cost and the city/county contributing less than $500M. See this post where I addressed this for San Diego. Not saying I laid everything out perfectly, but I think you are overstating how poor the STL situation is from a stadium financing perspective.

I'd argue in your breakdown, all but the $350M is provided by the team/league. Not purely in cash of course, but in brand value.Think of it this way: with no team, all of those other values go to zero (naming rights, PSLs, suites etc,).

It's the value the team/league brings to the table that generates those revenues, so it's fair to give them ownership of those dollars.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

1/6/16

The St. Louis region is losing population and lags in economic drivers to such a degree that it cannot support three professional sports teams, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke told the National Football League in his proposal to move to Los Angeles.

2/5/16

Kroenke, partner, want tax dollars for huge Maryland Heights development

The idea, he said, is to build a “town center” of sorts, with retail, office space, entertainment and sports venues — yes, perhaps even a Major League Soccer stadium.

#### this guy.

 

[TheFanatic]

1/6/16

The St. Louis region is losing population and lags in economic drivers to such a degree that it cannot support three professional sports teams, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke told the National Football League in his proposal to move to Los Angeles.

2/5/16

Kroenke, partner, want tax dollars for huge Maryland Heights development

The idea, he said, is to build a “town center” of sorts, with retail, office space, entertainment and sports venues — yes, perhaps even a Major League Soccer stadium.

#### this guy.

I heard this on the Bernie show this morning. What a F'ing joke. NOW they want my tax dollars. F.U. buddy. You ain't getting a dime after walking away from the millions we offered to take your ball and go home. See you, dude...

 

[Hankmoody]

Now you're just angry and telling only one side of the story. First of all Kroenke isn't driving it, he's just an investor. Bornstein owns/is buying the land.

A business partner of Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke is seeking to develop 1,800 acres of Maryland Heights flood plain into a vast retail, entertainment, office, residential and sports district.

Second of all, Maryland Heights is ASKING for proposals like this.

J. Wayne Oldroyd, Maryland Heights’ director of community development, said the Maryland Heights request-for-proposals will be advertised in St. Louis, Kansas City and Chicago. Proposals are due by April 29.

This isn't exactly uncharted territory for municipalities, STL included.

But Bornstein is the first since 2008 to come forward and offer to redevelop the area, even though the city has been trying to redevelop it for more than a decade, City Administrator Tim Krischke said.

After it’s done collecting all the proposals for the site, the council could decide to pitch in tax incentives to aid in the redevelopment — a likely move, considering smaller redevelopment projects for the city have gotten incentives

Krischke said there’s a good chance the City Council will eventually decide to dole out incentives for whatever redevelopment project is chosen.

I lived a mile from there, and that area is one huge swamp. It would be borderline miraculous if anything is able to be done with it, let alone a productive business park/industrial/entertainment complex.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Now you're just angry and telling only one side of the story. First of all Kroenke isn't driving it, he's just an investor. Bornstein owns/is buying the land.

A business partner of Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke is seeking to develop 1,800 acres of Maryland Heights flood plain into a vast retail, entertainment, office, residential and sports district.

Second of all, Maryland Heights is ASKING for proposals like this.

J. Wayne Oldroyd, Maryland Heights’ director of community development, said the Maryland Heights request-for-proposals will be advertised in St. Louis, Kansas City and Chicago. Proposals are due by April 29.

This isn't exactly uncharted territory for municipalities, STL included.

But Bornstein is the first since 2008 to come forward and offer to redevelop the area, even though the city has been trying to redevelop it for more than a decade, City Administrator Tim Krischke said.

After it’s done collecting all the proposals for the site, the council could decide to pitch in tax incentives to aid in the redevelopment — a likely move, considering smaller redevelopment projects for the city have gotten incentives

Krischke said there’s a good chance the City Council will eventually decide to dole out incentives for whatever redevelopment project is chosen.

I lived a mile from there, and that area is one huge swamp. It would be borderline miraculous if anything is able to be done with it, let alone a productive business park/industrial/entertainment complex.

Bornstein is the one that wrote the verbiage in the first link. HTH

Also, Stan is being sued for stealing this idea too from another "partner" just like he screwed Spanos out of the land in L.A.

HE'S A BUSINESSMAN!!!

No, he's a scumbag.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

1/6/16

The St. Louis region is losing population and lags in economic drivers to such a degree that it cannot support three professional sports teams, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke told the National Football League in his proposal to move to Los Angeles.

2/5/16

Kroenke, partner, want tax dollars for huge Maryland Heights development

The idea, he said, is to build a “town center” of sorts, with retail, office space, entertainment and sports venues — yes, perhaps even a Major League Soccer stadium.

#### this guy.

I heard this on the Bernie show this morning. What a F'ing joke. NOW they want my tax dollars. F.U. buddy. You ain't getting a dime after walking away from the millions we offered to take your ball and go home. See you, dude...

Wish I could have some faith they would be told tough ####. Personally, I think they should leave the land as is. The last thing we really need is more stores/malls and that kind of bull####. Think it would be much more prudent to save the flood plain.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

No doubt in my mind they purposely lost games over the years.

The relocation application was do in the first week in January. Either thankfully or not thankfully, we went on a four-game losing streak in the middle of November (smile from Demoff and laughter from the crowd), so we went from being in the playoff hunt and having a seed to woefully out of the the playoff hunt, which allowed us a little more time to talk about this (pointing to the Los Angeles presentation on the screen behind him) and put this together.”

Pieces of garbage.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Kroenke claims to have "discovered" Kurt Warner

Look at this ahole

 

[Insein]

Kroenke claims to have "discovered" Kurt Warner

Look at this ahole

He reminds me a Kim Jung Il.

Greatest Sportsman Ever

 

[cstu]

Kroenke claims to have "discovered" Kurt Warner

Look at this ahole

The Rams had already signed Warner and sent him to NFLE for the spring.

Here's who really discovered Warner:

Charley Armey was well into the tale of all tales for the 1999 National Football League season, of how he found Kurt Warner, lost in the ozone between Iowa and Amsterdam.

"Everybody was aware of what Kurt had been doing in the Arena Football League," said Armey, the former Patriots executive and current vice president of player personnel for the St. Louis Rams.

"There were write-ups in the papers and videotapes, so you knew about the guy. And I had worked out other arena league guys."


Warner had a tryout with the Green Bay Packers in the 1994 training camp, but was so intimidated by Brett Favre and the other quarterbacks that he was reluctant to even take snaps in scrimmages.

Many minds in the NFL closed. Warner went off to the Iowa Barnstormers of the Arena Football League, where he played from 1995-97.

Then one day, coach Al Luginbill of the Amsterdam Admirals of NFL Europe called--his 12th NFL team, as it were--and talked to Armey. Armey's mind was not closed, especially since Luginbill, Marshall Faulk's former coach at San Diego State, was a longtime friend.

"Al was calling and he was looking for a quarterback and he was asking me about working out Kurt," said Armey.

"Kurt had come from Northern Iowa and then what I did was look up the report I had done on Kurt when I was with the Patriots.

"And then I noticed in the report I'd done with the Patriots that I had written, `(Warner) has a chance to develop into a solid player in the NFL.' I had written that because of his accuracy and his arm strength.

"But, you know, at New England, we weren't really looking for a quarterback with Drew (Bledsoe) there and (Scott) Zolak."

NFL scouts have pals strewn throughout all the highways and byways of America. It's a necessity. The pipeline must be replenished every year with nuggets about a hidden gem at some unknown school.

Armey recalled that he had a pal, Mike Kolling, on the staff of Northern Iowa "and my first coaching job I ever had, at a high school in Grainsville, Minn., Mike was my quarterback. So I just called and asked him about Warner, to get a little background on the kid.

"Mike said, `You really need to work this guy out because his arm is so accurate.' Already, it was an unbelievable story with Warner, because in five years at Northern Iowa, it wasn't until his senior year that he had ever played. And then he went into Green Bay's camp and they never really gave him a chance since they had Favre and (Mark) Brunell there."

So Armey went to Rams coach **** Vermeil and the two decided to bring in Warner for a workout.

"We were both struck by how quickly he got rid of the ball--and that was strictly because of the arena league and how fast-paced it is--and how accurate he was," Armey said.

"He always put the ball where the receivers could catch it without adjusting their routes. But what you never know about a quarterback is how well he runs a team and manages a team."

The answer, Armey and Vermeil decided, could only be found in NFL Europe. So Armey and the Rams signed Warner in December 1997 and shipped him to Amsterdam in 1998.

"He immediately started lighting it up there," said Armey.

Armey's mind was not closed--the Rams signed a totally unknown quarterback and shipped him off to Europe.

 

[cstu]

Here's the full quote:

“**** Vermeil asked me my opinion on who the third quarterback should be,” Kroenke recalled during a wide-ranging interview with USA TODAY Sports.

As he sat in a lounge adjacent to the Rams’ war room during the draft, Kroenke, 68, sounded incredulous while pondering that Vermeil, the accomplished former coach of the Rams, asked him for advice one evening following an intra-squad scrimmage. Warner was competing with Will Furrer.

“I had a great relationship with ****,” Kroenke said. “**** loved Will Furrer, the type of guy we’d all want to marry our daughter. He worked his tail off. Came out of Virginia Tech. I liked Will. Nobody knew anything about Kurt, but I watched the scrimmage, and this is the similarity with Goff: I told ****, ‘OK, I’ve never played football, but you want my opinion? The kid from Northern Iowa can see. He’s got vision. It’s like a really good point guard. Some guys have it, some guys don’t. Whether it’s Arena Football that gave it to him or whatever, but he can see.’

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Here's the full quote:

It's right there in the article I linked,.  Charlie Armey said it was 100% **** Vermeil which pretty much everyone knew already. Just more lies from Kroenke. 

 

[Abrantes]

Kroenke doesn't give a damn that fans who followed the team in St. Louis can see through his revisionist buffoonery. He's putting on a show for the LA crowd, and plenty of them seem to be eating it up. Dude's a piece of work.

 

[Fireinside]

Feel sorry for the Stl-fans, not just because they lost the team, but because of this #####.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Five St. Louis players taken in the first round of the NHL draft.

It's a baseball town

 

[St. Louis Bob]

 At the Rams taking "refundable"  deposits for season tickets  then keeping the money. 

 

[ponza88]

 At the Rams taking "refundable"  deposits for season tickets  then keeping the money. 

They use that deposit to secure that persons place in line or get deals on Single day tickets.

So... Okay?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

They use that deposit to secure that persons place in line or get deals on Single day tickets.

So... Okay?

It was supposed to be refunded if you didn't get ST's but the Rams changed their mind.  So... Okay?   Don't care at all but find it hilarious.  Such scumbags. 

 

[Hankmoody]

Is there a specific story here or are you just being bitter?

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Is there a specific story here or are you just being bitter?

Yeah, read the thread.  I mean why would should I be bitter right? 

Oh yeah, because the NFL are #######s.


Orlando Pace Thanks St. Louis In Hall Of Fame Speech; NFL Leaves That Part Out Of Its YouTube Upload

 

[St. Louis Bob]

This rules pretty hard.  

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Does Bob need me to pick up an L.A. Rams hat at the game tomorrow? 

 Only Rams merchandise I've ever worn was a hat and it has been at least 5 years since I've even done that.  My wife used to get me one for Christmas every year with my seat number stitched in it.

I have a lot of really cool framed, autographed Rams memorabilia including one of these.  Would probably hold on to it though.  Warner rules..  Not sure WTF to do with the rest of it though.  Bought it all before we had children when I was playing in a lot of charity golf tournaments that had auctions.  Guess I'll hold on to it and sell when they are good again in 15-20 years.  

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Former Los Angeles City Councilman Dennis Zine will file a lawsuit Wednesday against the city of Los Angeles, alleging an illegal “gift of public funds” relating to police security at Rams home games.

The lawsuit is designed “to prevent the city from expending any additional taxpayer funds to provide over 200 LAPD officers free of charge to secure Rams home games,” according to a statement from the Los Angeles Police Protective League.

“Rams owner Stan Kroenke has refused to pay in full for the police services necessary to ensure public safety at his team's home games,” the statement said. “This free use of LAPD personnel constitutes an illegal gift of $2 million in public funds.”

That was quick. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Stan Kroenke

He's a real beaut.

 

[cstu]

“Rams owner Stan Kroenke has refused to pay in full for the police services necessary to ensure public safety at his team's home games,” the statement said. “This free use of LAPD personnel constitutes an illegal gift of $2 million in public funds.”

$2M / 8 games / 200 officers = $1,250 per officer per game.

Since these officers are being reassigned instead of being paid extra it seems like the city is double-dipping and prioritizing the game over the neighborhoods the officers would normally be working.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Typical Rams game last night.   Ruled pretty hard.  I loved the shots of the Rams fans in the crowd and the disbelief on their faces.  Apparently nobody has tuned in for the last decade plus.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Why did you bother staying up then?

I watched maybe 10 minutes of NFL, total, on Sunday, spent the day at the casino.  I watched about 5 minutes of the game last night at the beginning of the third quarter to check it out.  There was no shortage of news on the radio this morning which I have very much enjoyed.  Stuff like this.

Hopefully I'll have time next week to watch the whole game. 

 

[St. Louis Bob]

1/6/16

The St. Louis region is losing population and lags in economic drivers to such a degree that it cannot support three professional sports teams, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke told the National Football League in his proposal to move to Los Angeles.

NOTHING to do with how bad of a team and organization they've been. 

 

[St. Louis Bob]

16.1 rating in L.A. for the MNF home opener vs. 19.1 in STL last year for the home opener. 

I would like to personally thank everyone in L.A., that boycotted this abhorrent organization Monday, for their support .

 

[TDorBust]

16.1 rating in L.A. for the MNF home opener vs. 19.1 in STL last year for the home opener. 

I would like to personally thank everyone in L.A., that boycotted this abhorrent organization Monday, for their support .

Give it up and move on dude they left and you actually stole the organisation first. Its not like the team originated in St. Louis or anything.

Also you realise that 16.1% of 18.7 MILLION is much bigger than 19.1% of 319 thousand so while the rating might be "down" the number of people in the respective market is much much higher.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Give it up and move on dude they left and you actually stole the organisation first. Its not like the team originated in St. Louis or anything.

Also you realise that 16.1% of 18.7 MILLION is much bigger than 19.1% of 319 thousand so while the rating might be "down" the number of people in the respective market is much much higher.

First, I didn't steal anything.  The people in Phoenix didn't steal anything from me either.

Second, there are more than 3 MILLION people in the St. Louis area, 319k is the city of STL only.

Third, yes it's still a bigger number but that also means 83.7% of households didn't care to tune in after 20 years without football. I don't blame them, Kroenke and the Rams are ##### and don't care about winning.

Lastly, I don't have a beef with you or anyone in L.A.  NONE of this is your fault.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Report: Rams coach Jeff Fisher to receive contract extension




YES!!!