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My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?
It’s not necessarily the agencies that are different, but different offices have different needs. I’ve only been a DAC for 7.5 years now, but have never been denied a day off I wanted and our office closes on holidays. That isn’t true for those in jobs that must be performed every day.
I have never worked at a place that has denied a day off I wanted. And if a place did, I would hand in my resignation letter immediately.
Nice. We had like, im guessing here, 100 officers or so. We would have maybe a week long vacation event. They called #1 in seniority and he would put in all his vacation for the year. Then down the list. Id bet the top 20 all had 5 weeks to assign or was it 6? It's been so long. Each week would have like 5 slots or something and by slot 60 all summer and peak hunting weeks were gone. Those first years my family and I got use to traveling to somewhere tropical in late September. Ha ha
 
I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.
Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.
I’m sure there is some of that also.
I don't think they have an actual plan. There is definitely places of bloat but it's need to be evaluated on a group by group basis not one giant axe imo
Yea this should be obvious. There are in all likelihood departments where a 20% cut is perhaps not even enough. Yet there are others where a 20% increase is needed. A blanket approach is easy but misguided.
Yeah, agreed. However…that’s been the mostly failed approach forever. Ask any government manager what resources they need and what kind of budget they need, and almost nobody says they can function with less. No manager is going to say their program needs to be eliminated. It’s incredibly hard to dissolve those offices and programs that need to be dissolved. This current method sucks, but it also might be the only realistic way to get rid of the bloat.
my issue isn't with the what. it's the how. Trump won the election as such he gets to implement his policies. if people don't like it they should have voted or voted differently.

But how they should be doing this is telling the agencies:

1) eliminate all DEI within 30 days.
2) return to office within 60 days.
3) identify 20% RIF positions and identify quantifiable risks to mandatory program execution requirements within 60 days and plan to execute by end of calendar year.

The agencies know what to do, and with trump appointing agency heads he can ensure his mandates are followed. But this current method is just crazy and asking for serious issues to everyday Americans.
And it makes them all less likely to stick. A slower, more methodical appraoch would probably have a better chance at making lasting successful changes. This wreckless approach is similar with what happened when Musk took over Twitter.
 
My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?
It’s not necessarily the agencies that are different, but different offices have different needs. I’ve only been a DAC for 7.5 years now, but have never been denied a day off I wanted and our office closes on holidays. That isn’t true for those in jobs that must be performed every day.
I have never worked at a place that has denied a day off I wanted. And if a place did, I would hand in my resignation letter immediately.
I was denied occasionally on active duty but that’s expected.
Actually that’s not really true, I wouldn’t ask.
That last part is what I'd expect from most. Good workers know when not to ask off and if it is for something important, they inquire with enough time to prepare.
 
How are our Govt Employees doing.

Some interesting reading about Musk’s team of young X engineers reportedly with the keys to the Treasury of the United States currently. (Take with your personally desired grains of salt)


I wonder if these kids have clearance for this? Anyone in here close enough to this to see how things are going or if this is just spin?

Anyone working in these depts aes this being used to just stop paying govt employees who won’t play ball and take their package?
 
While I do believe there is waste, fraud and corruption in the government. There’s a reason 5 C.F.R §2635.101(b)(11) exists, we’ve been dealing with those issues for a long time. But I’m skeptical about Musk weeding it out.
 
Hmm, I hadn’t thought about the CR. Now I’m wondering if they’ll try to force a long shutdown and even try to not provide back pay.
An email from my Department and the latest email from OPM both referenced the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act to assure backpay during a potential shutdown, so I guess I feel ok about this now.
 
How are our Govt Employees doing.

Some interesting reading about Musk’s team of young X engineers reportedly with the keys to the Treasury of the United States currently. (Take with your personally desired grains of salt)


I wonder if these kids have clearance for this? Anyone in here close enough to this to see how things are going or if this is just spin?

Anyone working in these depts aes this being used to just stop paying govt employees who won’t play ball and take their package?
Sounds like they granted them interim clearances.

But as mentioned pages ago, OPM databases have been hacked by China already, so the fact that some young Musk appointed engineers have access now doesn't concern me as much.

I had an extremely bad identity theft situation in 2018 that the FBI got involved in because stolen good went international. During my interview with the FBI, I mentioned the OPM breach as potential source of leaked information and they quickly ruled that out a source. :rolleyes:
 
Hmm, I hadn’t thought about the CR. Now I’m wondering if they’ll try to force a long shutdown and even try to not provide back pay.
An email from my Department and the latest email from OPM both referenced the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act to assure backpay during a potential shutdown, so I guess I feel ok about this now.
I would hope that because we have Republican majority in the house, the Senate in the White House… We would have a balanced budget no later than March 13.
 
How are our Govt Employees doing.

Some interesting reading about Musk’s team of young X engineers reportedly with the keys to the Treasury of the United States currently. (Take with your personally desired grains of salt)


I wonder if these kids have clearance for this? Anyone in here close enough to this to see how things are going or if this is just spin?

Anyone working in these depts aes this being used to just stop paying govt employees who won’t play ball and take their package?
Sounds like they granted them interim clearances.

But as mentioned pages ago, OPM databases have been hacked by China already, so the fact that some young Musk appointed engineers have access now doesn't concern me as much.

I had an extremely bad identity theft situation in 2018 that the FBI got involved in because stolen good went international. During my interview with the FBI, I mentioned the OPM breach as potential source of leaked information and they quickly ruled that out a source. :rolleyes:
Our data was stolen from OPM in2015 & 2020 . It was a news blurb and that’s it
 
Hmm, I hadn’t thought about the CR. Now I’m wondering if they’ll try to force a long shutdown and even try to not provide back pay.
An email from my Department and the latest email from OPM both referenced the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act to assure backpay during a potential shutdown, so I guess I feel ok about this now.
I would hope that because we have Republican majority in the house, the Senate in the White House… We would have a balanced budget no later than March 13.
Surely the “balanced” part is in jest.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
If true

We live in a weird world where holding people accountable to certain rules actually feels kinda bad. Every federal agency I worked at was pretty clear about topics like this. Always felt they over empathized what I could or couldn't do while employed for them, but that's my opinion. I just knew I couldnt sell warehouse racks to a prison where I managed the warehouse. Either way most knew the rules. Still feels weird. Imo
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
If the person isn’t a financial disclosure filer, they don’t need approval unless their agency has rules beyond OGE. But if the person is a 450 or 278 filer, working on the side for a DOD contractor, I’m kinda okay with this. Presumably other agencies have similar rules. Conflicts of interest matter.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
I can imagine moonlighting as an Uber Driver costing people a pension. Makes total sense to balance the budget.
 
Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
Is that a legal use of IRS data?
Do you think it matters?
Maybe not:

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Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.

Thanks. Do you have a link for that?
 
Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.
It’s great to see all the Hatch act training I led really pay off.
 

USAID workers, most of whom are career government employees, were emailed shortly after midnight that they should not come into their Washington office, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

“At the direction of Agency leadership, the USAID headquarters at the Ronald Reagan building in Washington, D.C. will be closed to Agency personnel on Monday, February 3, 2025. Agency personnel normally assigned to work at USAID headquarters will work remotely tomorrow, with the exception of personnel with essential on-site and building maintenance functions individually contacted by senior leadership,” said the email, of which CNN has obtained a copy.

Thousands of personal services contractors and civil servants lost access to email and USAID systems overnight.

The sudden chaos has left employees struggling to get any answers as they have gotten no information, officials aid. Personal services contractors, who travel on diplomatic passports and speak on behalf of the agency, are required to be given 15 days of notice before termination, but that has not happened.

Some USAID contractors who are on official work travel are suddenly stuck, some in sensitive and dangerous places, without answers of how they will get home.

A source who works in a USAID annex building told CNN they have no word on whether they should go to work on Monday.

When asked if leaders in their department appeared to have any more information on the future of the agency’s work, the source said: “Our senior leaders have all been fired.”

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USAID logos and photos showing the humanitarian work the agency does around the globe were removed from its offices last week, multiple sources familiar with the situation told CNN.

“All of the visuals have been taken down. These are like large-scale photos of our work in developing countries that are in our lobbies, in our galleys, in communal kitchens, hallways,” a USAID employee said. “An order also came down to individual bureaus and offices to remove all USAID artwork and signage.”

Another USAID worker told CNN: “They’ve taken the photos off the walls, and we’re missing half of our colleagues because our colleagues are gone and have been let go, and everyone sort of feels like they’re walking around with a target on their back.”
 
Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.

Thanks. Do you have a link for that?
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
I can imagine moonlighting as an Uber Driver costing people a pension. Makes total sense to balance the budget.
From my understanding it sounded more like they were looking for people who were work from home and also getting paid for a second WFH job at the same time.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
I can imagine moonlighting as an Uber Driver costing people a pension. Makes total sense to balance the budget.
From my understanding it sounded more like they were looking for people who were work from home and also getting paid for a second WFH job at the same time.
I guess they’re looking for people with full-time jobs? But even then how could they prove you weren’t doing it after your tour ends daily? And if you have an Etsy store or drive Ubers it seems it would be even more difficult to prove when you were doing that stuff.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
I can imagine moonlighting as an Uber Driver costing people a pension. Makes total sense to balance the budget.
From my understanding it sounded more like they were looking for people who were work from home and also getting paid for a second WFH job at the same time.
I guess they’re looking for people with full-time jobs? But even then how could they prove you weren’t doing it after your tour ends daily? And if you have an Etsy store or drive Ubers it seems it would be even more difficult to prove when you were doing that stuff.
Id guess there is a lot of nuance with the second job realm. I don't know much about it because they typically don't let us in Crisis response/national defense have second jobs. They allow for people to own a business or work family jobs. I think some moonlighting is allowed with permission, but that can bring a person's financials into view for clearance renewals.
 

USAID workers, most of whom are career government employees, were emailed shortly after midnight that they should not come into their Washington office, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

“At the direction of Agency leadership, the USAID headquarters at the Ronald Reagan building in Washington, D.C. will be closed to Agency personnel on Monday, February 3, 2025. Agency personnel normally assigned to work at USAID headquarters will work remotely tomorrow, with the exception of personnel with essential on-site and building maintenance functions individually contacted by senior leadership,” said the email, of which CNN has obtained a copy.

Thousands of personal services contractors and civil servants lost access to email and USAID systems overnight.

The sudden chaos has left employees struggling to get any answers as they have gotten no information, officials aid. Personal services contractors, who travel on diplomatic passports and speak on behalf of the agency, are required to be given 15 days of notice before termination, but that has not happened.

Some USAID contractors who are on official work travel are suddenly stuck, some in sensitive and dangerous places, without answers of how they will get home.

A source who works in a USAID annex building told CNN they have no word on whether they should go to work on Monday.

When asked if leaders in their department appeared to have any more information on the future of the agency’s work, the source said: “Our senior leaders have all been fired.”

=================================================================================
USAID logos and photos showing the humanitarian work the agency does around the globe were removed from its offices last week, multiple sources familiar with the situation told CNN.

“All of the visuals have been taken down. These are like large-scale photos of our work in developing countries that are in our lobbies, in our galleys, in communal kitchens, hallways,” a USAID employee said. “An order also came down to individual bureaus and offices to remove all USAID artwork and signage.”

Another USAID worker told CNN: “They’ve taken the photos off the walls, and we’re missing half of our colleagues because our colleagues are gone and have been let go, and everyone sort of feels like they’re walking around with a target on their back.”
This can get political quick but this is BS. A friend left the army to work for USAID, lawyer. We saw her the week before inauguration, she seemed to be doing well but definitely looked stressed.
At the risk of sounding political, there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
 
Latest Rumor (No good source to share) - The government will review IRS data to determine if any federal employees have dual employment without approvals. Those who do may be released.
I can imagine moonlighting as an Uber Driver costing people a pension. Makes total sense to balance the budget.
From my understanding it sounded more like they were looking for people who were work from home and also getting paid for a second WFH job at the same time.
I guess they’re looking for people with full-time jobs? But even then how could they prove you weren’t doing it after your tour ends daily? And if you have an Etsy store or drive Ubers it seems it would be even more difficult to prove when you were doing that stuff.
You're talking 1099 type work. I'd guess (and it's a guess, but it's logical) that they're looking for people with a federal W-2 and another W-2 on top of it. With so many WFH folks you know there are a few who are double dipping with two full time gigs.
 
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Take some war money away
The amount spent on things that aren’t fraud or “WASTE”, but aren’t really needed would fund many federal employees salaries for years.

With so many WFH folks you know there are a few who are double dipping with two full time gigs.
Yes. We’ve investigated some, with mixed results. And those are just the ones someone finds out about and reports.
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary

As with EVERYTHING Government related, there is idiocy involved and waste incurred. That doesn’t mean there weren’t benefits behind what USAID did. With a bit of research, you could cite comparable examples of lunacy in every government organization. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary

As with EVERYTHING Government related, there is idiocy involved and waste incurred. That doesn’t mean there weren’t benefits behind what USAID did. With a bit of research, you could cite comparable examples of lunacy in every government organization. 🤷🏼‍♂️
This conversation probably isn’t headed in a direction that is appropriate for this forum.
 
Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.
This conversation probably isn't headed in a direction that is appropriate for this forum.
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
Q-Are Were the employees of USAID overall a bunch of well intentioned people focused on their jobs and agency mission?
A-Yes
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to review the function of USAID to ensure it aligns with current foreign policy objectives?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to ensure that the taxpayer money used to fund USAID is spent wisely and wasteful programs eliminated?
A - yes
 
Would be a good source of data to determine whose money might be going to organizations whose ideologies differ from leadership
There was something last week about the WH saying that 98% (or some other ridiculously high number) of USAID employees donated to a Democratic candidate. First, that's obviously not true. Second, it was a sign that someone is looking into party affiliation of government employees.
This conversation probably isn't headed in a direction that is appropriate for this forum.
That’s what she said.
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to review the function of USAID to ensure it aligns with current foreign policy objectives?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to ensure that the taxpayer money used to fund USAID is spent wisely and wasteful programs eliminated?
A - yes
The callousness of the shuttering of USAID is apalling. So many people doing good humanitarian work are left scrambling. So many programs that bolster the image of the US worldwide are vaporized. So many millions that are in need and rely on humanitarian aid paid for by the USG will know that our country turned their backs on them without any notice.

These are programs that provide polio vaccines, HIV drugs, clean water and sanitation, prosthetic limbs, landmine clearing, and so many other good deeds around the world. If the American people think those aren't worthwhile and the USG agrees, OK fine, wind down the programs. But simply cutting off funding and firing all personnel without warning? There is so much cruelty in that.

I just can't get over how un Christ-like this is. Tell me, Christians, why you would support such actions?
 
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there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to review the function of USAID to ensure it aligns with current foreign policy objectives?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to ensure that the taxpayer money used to fund USAID is spent wisely and wasteful programs eliminated?
A - yes
Q - Are there far better ways to do this?
A - Let’s not get this thread shut down.
 
there is some major strategic reasons for the services provided by USAID, things the military isn’t right to do but help the national defense - imo anyway.
Please help us understand the "major strategic reasons" behind services provided USAID such as $1.5 million for advancing DEI in Serbia's workplaces, $70K for production of a DEI musical in Ireland, $47K for a transgender opera in Colombia, and $32K for a transgender comic book in Peru. Source: WH Press Secretary
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in USAID?
A - yes
Q - are there questionable uses of funds in the vast majority of agencies?
A - sure, probably
Q - is the USAID overall a valuable resource?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to review the function of USAID to ensure it aligns with current foreign policy objectives?
A - yes
Q - is it appropriate to ensure that the taxpayer money used to fund USAID is spent wisely and wasteful programs eliminated?
A - yes
The callousness of the shuttering of USAID is apalling. So many people doing good humanitarian work are left scrambling. So many programs that bolster the image of the US worldwide are vaporized. So many millions that are in need and rely on humanitarian aid paid for by the USG will know that our country turned their backs on them without any notice.

These are programs that provide polio vaccines, HIV drugs, clean water and sanitation, prosthetic limbs, landmine clearing, and so many other good deeds around the world. If the American people think those aren't worthwhile and the USG agrees, OK fine, wind down the programs. But simply cutting off funding and firing all personnel without warning? There is so much cruelty in that.

I just can't get over how un Christ-like this is. Tell me, Christians, why you would support such actions?

I appreciate the thoughts on this and share many of them. Wasn't expecting to see being a Christian as a factor in the Government Employee thread but I can say as a Christian, our church partners with a group in Ethiopia and they are affected by this with the HIV medicine aid they provide. It might make good social posts to act as if every Christian is cheering for this. I know from personal experience that's not the case. The hope is to continue the good things the government has been doing with humanitarian aid. And as I understand it, to bring it under the State Department.

But that's already way more political than we will go here and we've proven repeatedly we're not able to discuss that here without it going way off the rails.

I'm sure there are tons of good forums on line to discuss the politics of all this. Please do that there and not here, Thanks.
 
It might make good social posts to act as if every Christian is cheering for this.
I assume that this was directed at me. I was asking a serious question for the group. If you don't want us talking about the shutting down of US-funded humanitarian aid through the lens of "what would Jesus do", then that's fine. It's your site and you make the rules.
 
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