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Greatest Football Player??? (3 Viewers)
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How could anything think any QB could be....THE GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER....? When all they can do is pass a football?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Well that and run, recognize a defense, change the formation, change the play, control the pace of the game, adjust blocking assignments, control the clock, and manipulate what the defense does. But excluding that - yeah he throws the ball, often 20 yards downfield while running for his life into a tight window where only his player can catch it.
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You need how many guys who can throw a football on any team, what....three at most? How about run, jump, catch block, tackle?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Run and catch? Defend a WR? You seemed to imply throwing the ball is all the QB does.Give me 22 Deion clones vs 22 Brady clones, who wins a football game?
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
The Deion clones. But I thought we were looking for more than just who could run the fastest. Who's responsible for more of what goes on on the field?
The QB.
But what is he trying to do........get the ball to the play makers. The real athletes who make things happen.
Bill Dudley
He rushed for over 2000 yards
Returned punts for over 1000 yards
Had about a 1000 yards passing
Had 1300 yards receiving
Had 23 INTs
Had a 38 yard punting avg
Had 1700 yards returning K0;s
Scoring 44 TD, 33 FG 121 PATs
Who was a better football player than that guy?
He rushed for over 2000 yards
Returned punts for over 1000 yards
Had about a 1000 yards passing
Had 1300 yards receiving
Had 23 INTs
Had a 38 yard punting avg
Had 1700 yards returning K0;s
Scoring 44 TD, 33 FG 121 PATs
Who was a better football player than that guy?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Or he could be The Greatest Football player of all time.
Career highlights and awards
2× Pro Bowl (1950, 1951)
4× First-team All-Pro (1942, 1946–1948)
2× Second-team All-Pro (1951, 1952)
NFL Most Valuable Player (1946)
2× NFL rushing yards leader (1942, 1946)
NFL interceptions leader (1946)
NFL 1940s All-Decade Team
Washington Redskins Ring of Fame
Pittsburgh Steelers Legends team
Maxwell Award (1941)
Consensus All-American (1941)
Career NFL statistics
Rushing yards:3,057
Rushing touchdowns:18
Receiving yards:1,383
Receiving touchdowns:18
Interceptions:23
Field goals:33/66 (50.0%)
Player stats at NFL.com
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joey
Footballguy
I thought you listed TACKLING as a major attribute of your ficticous, non-QB, Greatest Football Player of all time.
That disqualifies Deion, no?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Sure you could put him in the mix - but he played in the 40's and 50's when they were part-time players. Not sure if the level of competition is the same as modern day NFL players. But who knows, maybe he could be the greatest if he played against the same competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSr1YiUFA2o
The Greatest Football Player ever.
The guy could do everything. how else could you be The Greatest Football player?
The Greatest Football Player ever.
The guy could do everything. how else could you be The Greatest Football player?
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You never look at over era's with this THE GREATEST thing. You always go with the dominance of that era.
There has never been any player in the history of the NFL who could hurt a team as many ways as Bill Dudley could.
He can do all of those things. What are you talking about? He has run for first downs, caught passes from others, as well as blocked and tackled opponents to clear space for his running backs.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I can only go by players in my generation. Tough to argue about the old timers as it was a different game in many respects. The greatest football player I ever got a chance to see play was Walter Payton. The stats and all around game were there, as they are for every "great", but his durability at his position is the most amazing thing that really set him apart in my mind. 13 year career and missed one game at RB. That one game was his rookie year with a sprained ankle that he wanted to play and was pissed off when coach didn't let him. From that point on he never missed a game and played with fevers, knees filled with fluid, swollen elbows, hamstring pulls and a fractured rib. 186 consecutive games, especially with the way he played he RB, made him the greatest IMO.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Payton could block, return kicks, run, catch, throw. That is the kind of guy it takes. someone multi talented.
Payton was incredible, so let's check him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq15VkLfPgc
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
had an entire week of this debate last week with my buddies. apparently there was a ESPN special about 100 greatest athletes of all time and Jim Brown was depicted as the greatest "football player" of all time, which prompted the discussion. our conclusion at least was that in football it has to be positional. NBA in contrast could have a greatest player of all time, but it's easier for one athlete to play every position in basketball. baseball was the opposite extreme, even more so that football. so it's too subjective.
btw, greatest athlete to play QB has to be Vick. unless we're talking it has to be someone who actually won stuff, then Young still over Brady.
btw, greatest athlete to play QB has to be Vick. unless we're talking it has to be someone who actually won stuff, then Young still over Brady.
Russel Wilson was a stud baseballer and a far better QB than Vick. While not as fast as Vick he is a more scarey run/pass threat because he can really pass.
Jim Brown did no blocking, or tackling. Fellow Browns FB Marion Motley had a better APC, was a monster blocker and played defense, how could Brown be better than that?
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
thought of Wilson when I wrote that and i don't disagree. Vick may not have been as accurate as Wilson, but the way he just flicked his wrist to throw 25+ yards on the run was just sick.
Yes Vick was a freakish talent to be a QB. But as far as I know football was his only gig. I think of "athlete" as somebody who can do a multitude of things,
Saw him in college, yep,a man vs boys (think Derrick Henry in HS) A real strong case can be made LT was the best defensive player ever.
Here is the trick to his greatness.
He came up a 400/200 sprinter, he trained as a "long sprinter'. He spent years running the 200m, building his"speed endurance".
So.... when he finally talked his coach Glen Mills into letting him give a 100m a shot he had a whole other level of "speed endurance".
So....with that 6-5 stride it takes him longer to hit his topend that MV (max velocity) more 75ishm as opposed to a normal sprinters who max out around 65ish.
So....while trying to sustain/maintain as much of their MV before the decelleration phase sits sprinters rely on that all important "speed endurance".
Bolt is still working up to his MV at 75ish, meaning he spends less time in the sustaining phase and that decelleration phase, with his level of "speed endurance" unlike anything we have seen, words like alien, outerworldly would work.
A unique sprinter.
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There are TONS of......what if.
Bullet Bil Dudley
passed
rushed
caught the ball
blocked
tackled
intercepted
PAT
FG
kicked off
returned kickoffs
punted
returned punts
He is The Greatest Football Player in history.
No player ever played on every team a team has and was the main man there.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Both could play offense and defense but only Dudley could kick/return kicks......also.
fightingillini
Footballguy
ericttspikes said:
You beat me to it. Not only Payton was one the best runners of all time, he was a very good pass catcher, could throw the ball.....and could have been CHI's punter or kicker.
But what impressed me the most was.... Payton never went out of bounds....ever. That dude would take it right to a linebacker or a cornerback and deliver the punishment before getting tackled. Might have had the best stiff arm that I have ever seen. Which made it even more impressive that he missed only one game in his career. Might have been the toughest 200-210 lb player ever. His conditioning workouts were legendary.
Couldn't imagine what Payton would have done if he ran behind Emmitt Smith's OL.
Back on those old Oilers teams there was Billy Cannon, a 9.5 sprinter at LSU who returned kicks, ran, could catch (ended up a TE). He was a far better "football player" than George Blanda. Cannon a Heisman inner.
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Would ya believe he had an older bro in the NFL?
You beat me to it. Not only Payton was one the best runners of all time, he was a very good pass catcher, could throw the ball.....and could have been CHI's punter or kicker.
But what impressed me the most was.... Payton never went out of bounds....ever. That dude would take it right to a linebacker or a cornerback and deliver the punishment before getting tackled. Might have had the best stiff arm that I have ever seen. Which made it even more impressive that he missed only one game in his career. Might have been the toughest 200-210 lb player ever. His conditioning workouts were legendary.
Couldn't imagine what Payton would have done if he ran behind Emmitt Smith's OL.
While in HS he jumped close to 23 feet in the long jump, avg 18 points a game in B-ball and played baseball.
He avg 6.0 yards a carry coming out of Jackson State and scored 63 TD's in his 4 seasons there, he also was a serious kicker.
As far as a HULK at 210ish, yep, a monster for his size.
Amazing runner, could block, catch, throw, kick, little doubts he could play D.
AND....he played in the band in HS, ha~~~
HUGE....Jim Brown fan here...HUGE. His "Jimmy Brown" rookie card one of more cherished possessions, but...............
He never blocked, talking....never. And didn't play defense.
Marion Motley a fellow Browns fullback actually avg more yards a carry at 5.7 (still NFL record) he was a monster blocker still considered the best, and was a linebacker on defense. And could catch the ball.
While did Brown have him, yep...nothing.
Wiki
Marion Motley
Marion Motley (June 5, 1920 – June 27, 1999) was an American football fullback and linebacker who played for the Cleveland Browns in the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) and National Football League (NFL). He was a leading pass-blocker and rusher in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and ended his career with an average of 5.7 yards per carry, a record for a fullback that still stands. A versatile player who possessed both quickness and size, Motley was a force on both offense and defense. Fellow Hall of Fame running back Joe Perry once called Motley "the greatest all-around football player there ever was".[1]
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
"football player" is just weird random thing that you are the lone judge on so yes I agree Cannon was a better "football player".
In track we have sprinters, jumpers, throwers, then we have the decathlete who can do it all. No he can;t beat any of those athletes in their event but he can do all the events.
This is about that, that guy who is the best "football player" not QB, RB, TE....etc.
Bill Dudley is the only HOF player who played on every team on a football team. The guy could do it all, everything. He has to be the best football player since there was nothing he couldn't do on a football field.
No other player in NFL history scored 10 different ways but Dudley.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
He was 5-10 and 180 pounds, he could barely play any modern football position. If you sent Derwin James or Saquon Barkley back to 1930 they could dominate at any position except maybe kicker or QB.
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