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Greatest Football Player??? (1 Viewer)
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Niles Standish
Footballguy
So by the 22 clones of a player logic wouldn't Tim Tebow, Cam Newton and Mike Vick be the best modern era QBs?
I have a real bad habit of assuming things are obvious. Everybody who follows football gets what a QB is responsible for. But....it all starts with his ability to throw a football.
If you have seen Bradys combine performance you know he was never going to play another position. He can't run, lacks quicks and simply isn;t a great athlete. Yes an amazing QB.
Big 290 pound shot putters are in track & field, but just....field.
You are picking sides for backyard football, you will be one QB your bro the other, what good is Tom Brady going to do you?
Career highlights and awards
2× Pro Bowl (1950, 1951)
4× First-team All-Pro (1942, 1946–1948)*************************************************
2× Second-team All-Pro (1951, 1952)
NFL Most Valuable Player (1946)
2× NFL rushing yards leader (1942, 1946)******************************************
NFL interceptions leader (1946)
NFL 1940s All-Decade Team******************************************
Washington Redskins Ring of Fame
Pittsburgh Steelers Legends team
Maxwell Award (1941)
Consensus All-American (1941)
Career NFL statistics
Rushing yards:3,057
Rushing touchdowns:18
Receiving yards:1,383
Receiving touchdowns:18
Interceptions:23
Field goals:33/66 (50.0%)
Player stats at NFL.com
Pro Football Hall of Fame************************************
College Football Hall of Fame***************************************
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Here we have a guy who could everything there is to do on a football field and was among the best in the world at it in his day. Who else could do that?
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Tom Brady
But you really are missing the point. This has never been about who is the best at a position, it's always been about what player owned a football field in his day.
Bill Dudley never left a football field, think about that. He played all the special teams, he played three positions on offense, and defense.
Stop torturing yourself and mix a drink, which always beats straight up.
Talking about guys who can help his team in a multitude of ways vs those who can't, an obtuse joke......really?
I can't see Vick much of a tackler or blocker. Newton is no warrior.
What QB Clones could beat The Tebows...???
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I never met this to be funny, a cartoon or anything other than what really is a football player? We can't go with a Jerry Rice just because he is so far superior to all other WR's he isn't the greatest "football player" he is the greatest WR.
In order to get The Greatest Football Player we need a guy who wasn't limited to just a position. We need someone who can block, tackle, run, throw, kick, catch....that is football. Well we have that guy in Bullet Bill Dudley.
One of a ton.........
There was never a player quite like Dudley before he came and there will surely never be another one. He was the most versatile player in football history, college and pro.
An NFL team today suits up eight men to play the positions Bill played by himself in a single season. He won the only Quadruple Crown in NFL history, leading the league in rushing, punt returns, interceptions, and lateral passes in 1946.
He also won the NFL MVP award in 1946 with the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though he played in the NFL at five-foot 10, 175 pounds. When he arrived for his first training camp with the Steelers in 1942, the stadium guards wouldn't let him through the gate. They didn't believe he was a football player.
After that training camp, he was Rookie of the Year and second in MVP voting, leading the league in rushing.
He was defensive player of the year in 1947.
He is the only player elected Most Valuable Player in college, the pros, and the military. He was a hall of fame inductee, college and pro.
There are 11 ways to score in a football game. Bill scored using 10 of them. He once crawled for a touchdown.
He also played on a Major League Baseball exhibition team while serving in the Pacific during World War II.
All this from an athlete who didn't make his high school football team until his junior year. He didn't play in a game until his senior year.
He was president of the NFL Alumni Association for 12 years during the struggle for pension parity for old-time players who were in the league before 1959.
He introduced the gold jacket into the NFL Hall of Fame induction ceremony.
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The World's Greatest Athlete.........is what the winner of the Olympic decathlon will be called. While he stands no chance vs a Usain Bolt in a 100,or a Omar McLeod in the hurdles. he can do everything while they can't. So who is The Greatest Trackster.......a decathete.
Who is the best known, famous...Usain Bolt.
In order to get The Greatest Football Player we need a guy who wasn't limited to just a position. We need someone who can block, tackle, run, throw, kick, catch....that is football. Well we have that guy in Bullet Bill Dudley.
One of a ton.........
There was never a player quite like Dudley before he came and there will surely never be another one. He was the most versatile player in football history, college and pro.
An NFL team today suits up eight men to play the positions Bill played by himself in a single season. He won the only Quadruple Crown in NFL history, leading the league in rushing, punt returns, interceptions, and lateral passes in 1946.
He also won the NFL MVP award in 1946 with the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though he played in the NFL at five-foot 10, 175 pounds. When he arrived for his first training camp with the Steelers in 1942, the stadium guards wouldn't let him through the gate. They didn't believe he was a football player.
After that training camp, he was Rookie of the Year and second in MVP voting, leading the league in rushing.
He was defensive player of the year in 1947.
He is the only player elected Most Valuable Player in college, the pros, and the military. He was a hall of fame inductee, college and pro.
There are 11 ways to score in a football game. Bill scored using 10 of them. He once crawled for a touchdown.
He also played on a Major League Baseball exhibition team while serving in the Pacific during World War II.
All this from an athlete who didn't make his high school football team until his junior year. He didn't play in a game until his senior year.
He was president of the NFL Alumni Association for 12 years during the struggle for pension parity for old-time players who were in the league before 1959.
He introduced the gold jacket into the NFL Hall of Fame induction ceremony.
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The World's Greatest Athlete.........is what the winner of the Olympic decathlon will be called. While he stands no chance vs a Usain Bolt in a 100,or a Omar McLeod in the hurdles. he can do everything while they can't. So who is The Greatest Trackster.......a decathete.
Who is the best known, famous...Usain Bolt.
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Manster
Footballguy
Hard to compare different positions, but it's also hard to argue against Brady, if youre going to try, especially if he wins another SB and is a significant part of the victory.....Not like Peyton's 2nd one.......thing is, Brady will have to be money for NE to win, as this Pats team is not stacked.
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joey
Footballguy
Is quarterback a position in the game of football?
or can we play the game without one?
Of course you can play the game without a QB, just alternate RB's and go Wildcat.
Army/Navy have a runner at their....QB???....position.
Army again won without completing a pass ... this time in double overtime
Remember the single wing?
The Flying Wedge?
There was a time nobody threw the football.
The Four Horseman just alternated running the ball pretty much.
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You asked the question.....can we play the game without a QB....right? Well, yes we can and have. How many Army/Navy QB's play in the NFL?
Nothing nuts about anything here Joey.
Put Tom Brady in an 8 man back yard game, what happens when his team is on defense?
Hell...
Army West Point does not pass the football very much. Almost never, in fact.
You will pass the ball more playing pickup football with your family on Thanksgiving, and you will likely complete more passes.
This doesn’t faze Army, winner of 10 games in 2017 and the coveted Commander-in-Chief’s Trophy. The Black Knights, who skillfully operate the triple option, ranked dead last nationally in every major passing stat in 2017 -- yards per game (27.8), attempts per game (five) and total passing yards (361).
They don't use a legit QB.......five.....passes a game.
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Think about this...
A six man game of touch football, who wins.
A
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Peyton Maning
Eli Manning
Jared Goff
Philip Rivers
B
Julian Edelman....QB at Kent St
Danny Amendola
Golden Richards
Cole Beasley
Ryan Switzer
Wes Welker
That's right B and it would get ugly. Why?
A six man game of touch football, who wins.
A
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Peyton Maning
Eli Manning
Jared Goff
Philip Rivers
B
Julian Edelman....QB at Kent St
Danny Amendola
Golden Richards
Cole Beasley
Ryan Switzer
Wes Welker
That's right B and it would get ugly. Why?
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Elevencents
Footballguy
What is the point of arguing the best QB that could block or punt? Or the best lineman that could throw? Or cloning them for a fictional team? I seriously can’t follow any of the line of thinking.
The line of thinking is this....
In every football game it will take blocking, tackling, passing, running, catching, kicking. That is the game.
So what athlete came the closest to being able to do all the things we see in a football game? At that HOF level.
Anyone able to do all those things would have to be The Greatest Football player, based the fact there is nothing on a football field he can't do.
Enter....Bullet Bill Dudley.
Forget the cloning thing, bad idea.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
New candidat:e: for #1 seed
Why is this so damn hard?
Hell, while in HS Derrick Henry was a grown man vs boys, his HS video is comical, he could have played both lines, linebacker, WR, TE and at QB just run over everyone, he was OBVIOUSLY the best football player out there.
QB's can't block, can't tackle, can't catch, few can really run, how can a guy that limited be a great football player? Sure, a great QB, but a football player, surrounded by guys who can do far more things than he can....hmmmm?
Hell, Julian Edelman was a QB at Kent State, but.....he can return kicks, pass, catch, run, block....he's a hell of a lot better "football player" than Tom Brady.
Look at this, it's actually funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2yfWsFk3c
There is no doubt he could have played every position out there. Hell, he really was a man vs boy
Hell, while in HS Derrick Henry was a grown man vs boys, his HS video is comical, he could have played both lines, linebacker, WR, TE and at QB just run over everyone, he was OBVIOUSLY the best football player out there.
QB's can't block, can't tackle, can't catch, few can really run, how can a guy that limited be a great football player? Sure, a great QB, but a football player, surrounded by guys who can do far more things than he can....hmmmm?
Hell, Julian Edelman was a QB at Kent State, but.....he can return kicks, pass, catch, run, block....he's a hell of a lot better "football player" than Tom Brady.
Look at this, it's actually funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2yfWsFk3c
There is no doubt he could have played every position out there. Hell, he really was a man vs boy
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Bobby, you could also run, kick. Some think you are still the best QB the Lions ever had, being a HOFer ya know.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I see you've met
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Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Don’t know why I keep doing this to myself, but anyway...
NO ONE is saying Team A is an example they’d use. How about this team A:
T Brady
A Peterson
J Rice
Megatron
Lawrence Taylor
Ray Lewis
Thats a list of players who were/are considered one of the best at their positions and, I believe, would kill your TeamB.
Not all of them can play every position but they’re all great and would compliment each so well in the ACTUAL GAME OF FOOTBALL WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND SKILLS REQUIRED FOR EACH.
I think my B team beats that team in.....touch......football which is all about quicks. Brady isn't quick and neither is Megatron, Lewis or Taylor compared to a slot receiver, which my guys were/are.
I played in an alumni football game of flags vs Tulare Union. They had a legendary RB named John Henry Hamilton (got a look by the Rams) he was a big power back.....so what...this was flags and he didn't have much wiggle.
YES.......everybody has different skills. And when it comes to where they play can be the best. But when it comes to The Greatest Football Player now you enter into a different relm, now you are looking for that guy who can cover all the bases,he has no limits, he can do everything it takes on a football field at that HOF level. Enter....Bullet Bill Dudley,
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Lawrence Taylor was a beast one of the greatest players ever. But....he was limited. There were things he couldn't do like return kicks , a legit receiver, a legit RB, a legit QB.
With Bill Dudley we have the total package. There is nothing out there he can't do.
simsarge
Footballguy
Weighing in very late here. But I gotta thing that ZR is on the right path here.
I think there's probably a zillion different ways to look at the "greatest football player ". I think if you ask a hundred people you'd get 99 definitions. So in an open forum, it's going to be impossible at best to get an agreement on what makes a footballer great let alone who fits one's definition.
Personally, I like the take 11 of this guy and put him on the field vs 11 of anyone else, who would win?
I think there's probably a zillion different ways to look at the "greatest football player ". I think if you ask a hundred people you'd get 99 definitions. So in an open forum, it's going to be impossible at best to get an agreement on what makes a footballer great let alone who fits one's definition.
Personally, I like the take 11 of this guy and put him on the field vs 11 of anyone else, who would win?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Walter Payton
Thank you sir, appreciate that.
I know it was funky with the clones thing, yep, weird. BUT......this is about a football player, not accomplishments, fame, best WR, best QB etc. It;s about looking at all the talents it takes to play football and who comes the closest to having all those talents.
Aaron Donald is a monster, he will knock you on your butt, buy what good would he be going down on a kickoff return team, or. returning a punt? The guy is limited while Bullet Bill Dudley isn't.
joey
Footballguy
so now it's the greatest TOUCH football player.ZenoRazon said:
I do understand what YOUR definition of "greatest football player" is, and I know I'm being a pain in the ### on this one. It's just that I think your definition doesn't line up with what most folks (in this thread at least) would think "greatest football player" means.
I am now going to promise to try not to reply in this thread again (though I've failed twice already)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
simsarge
Footballguy
Part of the problem with this line of thinking is though is there's probably a hundred guys in the later day NFL who could do the same thing, but were slotted as DBs or WRs or what not and never had a chance to show that kind of versatility. Mainly because the league is so specialized (long snapper anyone?).
Joey, did ya miss...
Think about this...
A six man game of touch football, who wins.
A
Tom Brady
Joe Montana
Peyton Maning
Eli Manning
Jared Goff
Philip Rivers
I made it clear...TOUCH.
When a guy is on every team ya got, he's kicking, he's blocking, INT/TD/pass/punt return......how can he not be the best player out there?
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But, we don't really know who should, would, could, until we get to.....he did, with Bullet Bill Dudley. There is no doubt about his talents because we saw them on display in his HOF NFL career.
Imagine going to a footbal game and seeing some guy out there kicking off, returning kick offs, punting, returning punts, kicking field goals/PATs, passing, catching, blocking, running and then......there he goes on defense....INT~~~~
That is amazing.
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Come on guys, hell.
You go to your sons Pop Warner game. Little kid out there kicking, running back kicks, running away from everyone, INT passes, catching and scoring, he throws a few. He stands out like a sore thumb, he is obviously the best football player out there.
Imagine any NFLer in his HS days, totally stand out.
This cannot be this complex.
Virgil Green the NFL TE played at nearby Tulare Union HS, watching him out there vs those kids was comical, actually looked weird.
You go to your sons Pop Warner game. Little kid out there kicking, running back kicks, running away from everyone, INT passes, catching and scoring, he throws a few. He stands out like a sore thumb, he is obviously the best football player out there.
Imagine any NFLer in his HS days, totally stand out.
This cannot be this complex.
Virgil Green the NFL TE played at nearby Tulare Union HS, watching him out there vs those kids was comical, actually looked weird.
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I give, the hell with it.
Yep, Tom Brady THE GREATEST FOOOTBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
Shine the fact he can't run, catch, block, kick, tackle, return anything. He sure can throw.
Sorry Bullet Bill, I tried. I know, I know you can do it all but..........NOBODY CARES.
Yep, Tom Brady THE GREATEST FOOOTBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
Shine the fact he can't run, catch, block, kick, tackle, return anything. He sure can throw.
Sorry Bullet Bill, I tried. I know, I know you can do it all but..........NOBODY CARES.
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Elevencents
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm gonna go outside the box here and say Tom Brady.
Tau837
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
Some of my favorite football players of all time were Pele, Diego Maradona and Zinedine Zidane.
American Football? I'll go with my favorite school yard team of me, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, and Joe Greene. I know we're gonna put up points but I still wanted LT and Mean Joe on the defensive side of the ball. I'm gonna QB... at least on the gimmick plays that coach Payton (Sean) sends in.
American Football? I'll go with my favorite school yard team of me, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, and Joe Greene. I know we're gonna put up points but I still wanted LT and Mean Joe on the defensive side of the ball. I'm gonna QB... at least on the gimmick plays that coach Payton (Sean) sends in.
