Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears...it's that week again. (1 Viewer)

[puckalicious]

All you need to know is the Lions nearly beat the Bears in Chicago. Well I prefer to believe they actually did win. Packers run away with this game unless the weather is bad.

This is it? This is all I need to know?

Well... yeah.

True. True. I guess I'm just more down on my Eagles than most. A defense that lets 32 points and 444 yds to the Lions is not a very good one. Granted the Lions are improving but the Bears found a way to keep them mostly in check the previous week.

Lions aren't all that bad of a hometeam. They're just awful on the road though.

Remind me how many home games the Lions have won in the last 2 years? I'll save you the research, it's 2 games in 2 years at home. 2 games out of 17 at home that they've won. I suppose in comparison to winning 0 of 17 road games in the same stretch they "aren't all that bad of a hometeam".

packers won't run on the Bears, and Rodgers will be running for his life.Bears 24-17.Cutler will score more fantasy points than Rodgers.

Oooo, I like this as a friendly bet. In a -2pt/INT system I'll take Rodgers. If 0pt/INT then I'll take Cutler. Additionally, in a 6pt/pass TD system I'll take Cutler, in a 4pt/pass TD system I'll take Rodgers (he'll run 1 in for 6). Nothing like hedging my bets. Don't ask me who to take in a -2pt/INT & 6pt/pass TD scoring system, it'll be close.

 

[smackdaddies]

I always thought the Bears/Pack was a bigger rivalry game than Pack/Vikes - but I grew up in Madison. Now that I live in Eau Claire (1.5 hours from Minnie), its the other way around

if one team goes +2 or better on turnovers, the other loses.

Both teams have good linebacking - Great for Bears, Very Good for Packers. I suspect the Pack will play Hawk most of the game instead of Chillar

D - line- with injuries, call it even, although normally I like the Pack D line better.

Backfield - don't think much of either all that much right now - Pack's is better, but with the injuries probably have to give the edge to Bears

O line - well - we will see.

RB - obviously Bears advantage. Even if Forte would be out, Chester Taylor is better than anything on the packers roster by double

QB - Rodgers in a walk, except for the fact he only has played well for one half (ok, 3/4's) in the Buffalo game. I concede Cutler has never impressed me, so color me biased. Both have put up points this year, but I don't think either played that well.

WR - obviously Packers advantage. Jones is a better player than anyone on the Bears, and he is not even a starter.

Game could go either way, lot of what ifs, situational stuff. If the Pack gets up by two td, I don't see Chicago coming back. If the Bears go up by 2td, the Pack could come back, but it will be hard

 

[sho nuff]

The three bears had been having some trouble recently and ended up in family court. Momma and Poppa bear were splitting up, and baby bear had to decide who he was going to live with.

So, the judge wanted to talk to baby bear to see what he thought about living with either of his parents.

When he asked baby bear about living with his father, baby bear said “No, I can’t live with Poppa bear, he beats me terribly.”

“Okay,” said the judge, “Then you want to live with your mother, right?”

“No way!” replied baby bear, “She beats me worse than Poppa bear does.”

The judge was a bit confused by this, and didn’t quite know what to do. “Well, you have to live with someone.”

The baby bear answered, “How about, the Chicago Bears. They don’t beat anybody.”

 

[Clifford]

Heard that same one about Auburn a couple of days ago. Nice

 

[Ghost Rider]

All you need to know is the Lions nearly beat the Bears in Chicago. Well I prefer to believe they actually did win. Packers run away with this game unless the weather is bad.

This is it? This is all I need to know?

Well... yeah.

The Saints lost to the Bucs (who were terrible last year) in week 16 at home last year (before they had home field locked up). Good thing that wasn't all we needed to know about them, eh?

 

[Jayrod]

I can't freaking wait for this game.

Great matchup and I'm running a lot of fantasy guys out there. I hope it is a well played game with big plays. Could be the Monday night game of the year if the offenses come out firing on all cylinders.

 

[dino259]

Cutler saved all his INT from last week for this week against the pack.

 

[DoubleG]

Cutler saved all his INT from last week for this week against the pack.

Oh, see? I thought Rodgers saved his torn ACL and seperated throwing shoulder for this Monday.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I always thought the Bears/Pack was a bigger rivalry game than Pack/Vikes - but I grew up in Madison. Now that I live in Eau Claire (1.5 hours from Minnie), its the other way aroundif one team goes +2 or better on turnovers, the other loses.Both teams have good linebacking - Great for Bears, Very Good for Packers. I suspect the Pack will play Hawk most of the game instead of ChillarD - line- with injuries, call it even, although normally I like the Pack D line better.Backfield - don't think much of either all that much right now - Pack's is better, but with the injuries probably have to give the edge to BearsO line - well - we will see. RB - obviously Bears advantage. Even if Forte would be out, Chester Taylor is better than anything on the packers roster by doubleQB - Rodgers in a walk, except for the fact he only has played well for one half (ok, 3/4's) in the Buffalo game. I concede Cutler has never impressed me, so color me biased. Both have put up points this year, but I don't think either played that well.WR - obviously Packers advantage. Jones is a better player than anyone on the Bears, and he is not even a starter. Game could go either way, lot of what ifs, situational stuff. If the Pack gets up by two td, I don't see Chicago coming back. If the Bears go up by 2td, the Pack could come back, but it will be hard

I think the DB's should go to the Pack.QB's- Rodgers in a walk??? Jay Cutler is LEADING THE NFL in QB rating at 121.2. Rodgers is 94.0. Yards per attempt, Cutler has almost a 3 yard advantage on Rodgers.WR - James Jones isn't better than anyone on the Bears.Other aspects not covered-TE- Edge should go to GB...although Finley has 8 catches and 0 TD's. From all the hype, I would've thought more.ST's- Edge should go to Chicago. Crosby has been playing well....but Gould is 4/4 as well. He also has a much higher career %. Punting...Maynard has 5 inside the 20 already. Returning...Packers seem to be doing better this season. Although Knox, Bennett, Manning, Hester have all returned kicks for TD's for the Bears in past years.

 

[sho nuff]

I always thought the Bears/Pack was a bigger rivalry game than Pack/Vikes - but I grew up in Madison. Now that I live in Eau Claire (1.5 hours from Minnie), its the other way aroundif one team goes +2 or better on turnovers, the other loses.Both teams have good linebacking - Great for Bears, Very Good for Packers. I suspect the Pack will play Hawk most of the game instead of ChillarD - line- with injuries, call it even, although normally I like the Pack D line better.Backfield - don't think much of either all that much right now - Pack's is better, but with the injuries probably have to give the edge to BearsO line - well - we will see. RB - obviously Bears advantage. Even if Forte would be out, Chester Taylor is better than anything on the packers roster by doubleQB - Rodgers in a walk, except for the fact he only has played well for one half (ok, 3/4's) in the Buffalo game. I concede Cutler has never impressed me, so color me biased. Both have put up points this year, but I don't think either played that well.WR - obviously Packers advantage. Jones is a better player than anyone on the Bears, and he is not even a starter. Game could go either way, lot of what ifs, situational stuff. If the Pack gets up by two td, I don't see Chicago coming back. If the Bears go up by 2td, the Pack could come back, but it will be hard

I think the DB's should go to the Pack.QB's- Rodgers in a walk??? Jay Cutler is LEADING THE NFL in QB rating at 121.2. Rodgers is 94.0. Yards per attempt, Cutler has almost a 3 yard advantage on Rodgers.WR - James Jones isn't better than anyone on the Bears.Other aspects not covered-TE- Edge should go to GB...although Finley has 8 catches and 0 TD's. From all the hype, I would've thought more.ST's- Edge should go to Chicago. Crosby has been playing well....but Gould is 4/4 as well. He also has a much higher career %. Punting...Maynard has 5 inside the 20 already. Returning...Packers seem to be doing better this season. Although Knox, Bennett, Manning, Hester have all returned kicks for TD's for the Bears in past years.

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

 

[gigantor]

how about if Rodgers throws 4 tds and the pack still lose?

i hate fantasy.

 

[MDSkinner]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

 

[sho nuff]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

I agree...right now Cutler has looked very good.But overall Id say Rodgers is still the better QB and I don't think its a stretch to say its by a decent margin yet.

Though, Cutler may just close in on that this year.

 

[Local303]

Can NOT wait for this and the Sunday night game Jets and Miami.

I think given the Bears, the packer (so far) and the officials,

34 -31 Bears. And one game deciding official mis-call.

 

[smackdaddies]

For all their points, I don't think either QB has played up to potential - I watched both w1 games on tv, and was at the pack/bills game (missed chi/dal on tv)

They both have had moments of good and bad. The second half of the lions game was awful for Cutler till the last td drive. Rodgers has looked - average - until the last half of the bills game.

We will see who shows up.

And I don't think there is a chicago wr that would make the packers roster (nor a packers RB that would make the Bears Roster)

as to TE, sure, advantage Pack, but I like Olson - I don't think the spread is that big between the two.

 

[smackdaddies]

Crosby is a freaking machine this year. In the pregame warm ups he was pounding the ball through every time, up to 59 yards with 10 yards clearance - boom, boom, boom. Far more focused than the Bills kicker, more kicks, longer kicks.

Packers ST have been very good. For whatever reason Jordy seems to be fitting well with the return scheme - Jordy being better, ST being injury free. He has been getting the pack off to good starts.

And the bears kicker has lots of balls inside the 20 because Cutler failed to move the team even with excellent postion. Based on field position, they should of buried the lions by 24

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

For all their points, I don't think either QB has played up to potential - I watched both w1 games on tv, and was at the pack/bills game (missed chi/dal on tv)They both have had moments of good and bad. The second half of the lions game was awful for Cutler till the last td drive. Rodgers has looked - average - until the last half of the bills game.We will see who shows up.And I don't think there is a chicago wr that would make the packers roster (nor a packers RB that would make the Bears Roster)as to TE, sure, advantage Pack, but I like Olson - I don't think the spread is that big between the two.

I don't think Cutler was awful in the second half....he didn't get a lot of help. His second half splits(granted this takes into account both games) 19/27(70.4%) 223 2/0. Could things have been better yes. But those numbers aren't awful.Johnny Knox would make the Packers roster. James Jones/Nelson aren't THAT proven yet.I also think Brandon Jackson could be the Bears #2 or #3 RB. Chester hasn't shown me that much.

 

[cubbie5150]

For all their points, I don't think either QB has played up to potential - I watched both w1 games on tv, and was at the pack/bills game (missed chi/dal on tv)

They both have had moments of good and bad. The second half of the lions game was awful for Cutler till the last td drive. Rodgers has looked - average - until the last half of the bills game.

We will see who shows up.

And I don't think there is a chicago wr that would make the packers roster (nor a packers RB that would make the Bears Roster)

as to TE, sure, advantage Pack, but I like Olson - I don't think the spread is that big between the two.

I don't think Cutler was awful in the second half....he didn't get a lot of help. His second half splits(granted this takes into account both games) 19/27(70.4%) 223 2/0. Could things have been better yes. But those numbers aren't awful.

Johnny Knox would make the Packers roster. James Jones/Nelson aren't THAT proven yet.

I also think Brandon Jackson could be the Bears #2 or #3 RB. Chester hasn't shown me that much.

Strangely (IMO) Chester's usage also hasn't been as extensive as many thought it would be.

 

[maxwelledison]

I agree with much of what has been posted about respective talent. IMO the thing that will determine this game will be how or if the Bears adjust to the Packers' scheme. As we know similar talent doesn't equal a close game and I have little faith in the Bears' ability to gameplan for this offensive system. We'll see.

 

[smackdaddies]

For all their points, I don't think either QB has played up to potential - I watched both w1 games on tv, and was at the pack/bills game (missed chi/dal on tv)They both have had moments of good and bad. The second half of the lions game was awful for Cutler till the last td drive. Rodgers has looked - average - until the last half of the bills game.We will see who shows up.And I don't think there is a chicago wr that would make the packers roster (nor a packers RB that would make the Bears Roster)as to TE, sure, advantage Pack, but I like Olson - I don't think the spread is that big between the two.

I don't think Cutler was awful in the second half....he didn't get a lot of help. His second half splits(granted this takes into account both games) 19/27(70.4%) 223 2/0. Could things have been better yes. But those numbers aren't awful.Johnny Knox would make the Packers roster. James Jones/Nelson aren't THAT proven yet.I also think Brandon Jackson could be the Bears #2 or #3 RB. Chester hasn't shown me that much.

Numbers lie - second half against detroit was punt, punt, punt, int, punt, TD (which was 80 of those 170 yards in one play). Great start position, no scores (till he had to move the team more than 80 yards). You don't move the team, your not doing your job. He looked bad.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

For all their points, I don't think either QB has played up to potential - I watched both w1 games on tv, and was at the pack/bills game (missed chi/dal on tv)

They both have had moments of good and bad. The second half of the lions game was awful for Cutler till the last td drive. Rodgers has looked - average - until the last half of the bills game.

We will see who shows up.

And I don't think there is a chicago wr that would make the packers roster (nor a packers RB that would make the Bears Roster)

as to TE, sure, advantage Pack, but I like Olson - I don't think the spread is that big between the two.

I don't think Cutler was awful in the second half....he didn't get a lot of help. His second half splits(granted this takes into account both games) 19/27(70.4%) 223 2/0. Could things have been better yes. But those numbers aren't awful.

Johnny Knox would make the Packers roster. James Jones/Nelson aren't THAT proven yet.

I also think Brandon Jackson could be the Bears #2 or #3 RB. Chester hasn't shown me that much.

Numbers lie - second half against detroit was punt, punt, punt, int, punt, TD (which was 80 of those 170 yards in one play). Great start position, no scores (till he had to move the team more than 80 yards). You don't move the team, your not doing your job. He looked bad.

Fumble here.He didn't look great but not bad. They couldn't run the ball, pressure, etc forced some 3rd and longs. He didn't cost them the game, but in the end he won them the game. I don't consider his performance bad...although it does leave some to be desired. He is the #1 rated passer in the NFL...yet he is being treated like last season.

 

[Vicktimized]

I think Chicago wins at home. I think against that front the loss of Grant shows up ... and I can see Rodgers being pressured a ton if Peppers and Harris have free reign to pass rush. Plus Green Bay's defense has been suspect when faced with a strong passing game ... which Chicago 'may not' have, but the last two weeks have at least hinted at one.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

A couple of times users have posted about Tommy Harris' create pressure in pass rush. However, Tommie Harris hasn't shown up in a few years...so I wouldn't count on much.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Bears win 34-24. Rogers gets sacked 4 times

I'm contemplating keeping CHI's defense active this week since GB can put up big numbers. I recall a comment being made about Rodgers not being pressured or sacked much. Could have been a comment re: pre-season though.How tight are the games between these two teams...usually?

 

[Dismattle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bears-Packers_rivalry

chk Dec 7th 1980 (game I thought of when I seen the revenge post)

 

[DoubleG]

Bears win 34-24. Rogers gets sacked 4 times

I'm contemplating keeping CHI's defense active this week since GB can put up big numbers. I recall a comment being made about Rodgers not being pressured or sacked much. Could have been a comment re: pre-season though.How tight are the games between these two teams...usually?

The last 3 games have been 20-17, 21-15 and 21-14. The twon games before that though were absolute routes - 37-3 Pack in 2008 and 35-7 Bears in 2007.ETA: IMHO, the Bears defense is at least as good as it was last year, so I don't see the Packers putting up much more than mid 20s. The Bears are averaging 23 on offense (and that's with two red zone fumbles in week 1).Bears 30Packers 24

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Packers OL is beat up right now. Colledge sprained his knee in practice on thursday, Clifton was benched b/c of his knees on sunday. Which leaves Clifton at LT and Bulaga at LG to start. Or do Packers fans have a different update?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Cutler saved all his INT from last week for this week against the pack.

Oh, see? I thought Rodgers saved his torn ACL and seperated throwing shoulder for this Monday.

Nice, wishing injury on a player.karma's a #####, ya know?

 

[Max Power]

Packers OL is beat up right now. Colledge sprained his knee in practice on thursday, Clifton was benched b/c of his knees on sunday. Which leaves Clifton at LT and Bulaga at LG to start. Or do Packers fans have a different update?

Packers LT Chad Clifton practiced Saturday, and will get the start Monday against the Bears as long as he remains healthy.Clifton practiced all week and looks like he'll be ready for Monday's game. Just how effective he'll be against Julius Peppers remains to be seen.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter LT Chad Clifton and LG Daryn Colledge are both listed as probable for Monday's game against Chicago.CB Charles Woodson is also listed as probable, and all three practiced Saturday.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter Related: Charles Woodson, Daryn Colledge

 

[Max Power]

I love my Bears, but need a WW WR this weekend and might have to pick up James Jones...

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Packers OL is beat up right now. Colledge sprained his knee in practice on thursday, Clifton was benched b/c of his knees on sunday. Which leaves Clifton at LT and Bulaga at LG to start. Or do Packers fans have a different update?

Packers LT Chad Clifton practiced Saturday, and will get the start Monday against the Bears as long as he remains healthy.Clifton practiced all week and looks like he'll be ready for Monday's game. Just how effective he'll be against Julius Peppers remains to be seen.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter LT Chad Clifton and LG Daryn Colledge are both listed as probable for Monday's game against Chicago.CB Charles Woodson is also listed as probable, and all three practiced Saturday.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter Related: Charles Woodson, Daryn Colledge

Thanks for the Update. I wonder if Bulaga or Colledge will start at LG? Either way the Bears interior has been a weak point in pass rush....so perhaps they will balance each other out.

 

[basher]

Packers OL is beat up right now. Colledge sprained his knee in practice on thursday, Clifton was benched b/c of his knees on sunday. Which leaves Clifton at LT and Bulaga at LG to start. Or do Packers fans have a different update?

Packers LT Chad Clifton practiced Saturday, and will get the start Monday against the Bears as long as he remains healthy.Clifton practiced all week and looks like he'll be ready for Monday's game. Just how effective he'll be against Julius Peppers remains to be seen.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter LT Chad Clifton and LG Daryn Colledge are both listed as probable for Monday's game against Chicago.CB Charles Woodson is also listed as probable, and all three practiced Saturday.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter Related: Charles Woodson, Daryn Colledge

Thanks for the Update. I wonder if Bulaga or Colledge will start at LG? Either way the Bears interior has been a weak point in pass rush....so perhaps they will balance each other out.

Roto said that Colledge is said to be starting.

 

[Max Power]

Packers OL is beat up right now. Colledge sprained his knee in practice on thursday, Clifton was benched b/c of his knees on sunday. Which leaves Clifton at LT and Bulaga at LG to start. Or do Packers fans have a different update?

Packers LT Chad Clifton practiced Saturday, and will get the start Monday against the Bears as long as he remains healthy.Clifton practiced all week and looks like he'll be ready for Monday's game. Just how effective he'll be against Julius Peppers remains to be seen.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter LT Chad Clifton and LG Daryn Colledge are both listed as probable for Monday's game against Chicago.CB Charles Woodson is also listed as probable, and all three practiced Saturday.Source: Green Bay Packers on Twitter Related: Charles Woodson, Daryn Colledge

Thanks for the Update. I wonder if Bulaga or Colledge will start at LG? Either way the Bears interior has been a weak point in pass rush....so perhaps they will balance each other out.

They have. I cant speak for the GB OL as much as the Bear DL, but that Knee Surgery on Harris has made him average at best. I do like Chicago in this one though. I bashed the Martz offense a WHOLE LOT this offseason, but this team is adjusting well so far and seems like a real condender if they stay healthy.

 

[basher]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

The Packers have an advantage at QB but with the way Cutler is playing and the way Rodgers is playing it isn't overwhelming at all. Chicago homers ... how much will Chris Williams being out affect the game? I recall him being rather garbage but haven't been able to see him much this season.WR: advantage is the packers easily because of the fact that the #1 and #2 are better then anyone on the bears roster. Jones is probably not as good as knox but it isn't crazy to compare the two and say they are close.

ST: Hester/Knox have pedigree but the packers right now are averaging almost 7 more yards a return. The growth of Jordy Nelson as a return man has been a huge boon for the Packers. If anyone saw him last year they would tell you that Nelson returned the ball 10 yards then ran into the back of a blocker and went down. This year he is establishing great field position for the offense that so far hasn't really been capitalized on enough. Neither team has punt returned well but the Packers have the statistical advantage this year as well by 6 yards. Crosby has Gould in distance but Gould has Crosby in consistency over the past few years.

Overall I view it like this:

QB: Packers > Bears

RB: Bears >> Packers

WR: Packers >> Bears

OL: Wash (neither unit is really all that good ... packers have a slight advantage because of health)

TE: Packers > Bears (Finley has been a mismatch and has been every bit the chain mover as we thought he would be. DD has taken a lot of his end zone looks)

DL: Packers > Bears runs stopping, Peppers is better then anyone the packers have all around and provides a better pass rush.

LB: Bears > Packers (this is close with Matthews level of play right now)

DB: Packers > Bears (definite weakness on the bears but the packers have no depth)

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

The Packers have an advantage at QB but with the way Cutler is playing and the way Rodgers is playing it isn't overwhelming at all. Chicago homers ... how much will Chris Williams being out affect the game? I recall him being rather garbage but haven't been able to see him much this season.WR: advantage is the packers easily because of the fact that the #1 and #2 are better then anyone on the bears roster. Jones is probably not as good as knox but it isn't crazy to compare the two and say they are close.

ST: Hester/Knox have pedigree but the packers right now are averaging almost 7 more yards a return. The growth of Jordy Nelson as a return man has been a huge boon for the Packers. If anyone saw him last year they would tell you that Nelson returned the ball 10 yards then ran into the back of a blocker and went down. This year he is establishing great field position for the offense that so far hasn't really been capitalized on enough. Neither team has punt returned well but the Packers have the statistical advantage this year as well by 6 yards. Crosby has Gould in distance but Gould has Crosby in consistency over the past few years.

Overall I view it like this:

QB: Packers > Bears

RB: Bears >> Packers

WR: Packers >> Bears

OL: Wash (neither unit is really all that good ... packers have a slight advantage because of health)

TE: Packers > Bears (Finley has been a mismatch and has been every bit the chain mover as we thought he would be. DD has taken a lot of his end zone looks)

DL: Packers > Bears runs stopping, Peppers is better then anyone the packers have all around and provides a better pass rush.

LB: Bears > Packers (this is close with Matthews level of play right now)

DB: Packers > Bears (definite weakness on the bears but the packers have no depth)

Chris Williams looked much much better at the end of last season than he does so far this season. Omiyale actually played well at LT last week...to the point that he could be a better LT right now over Williams....now if the old Williams shows up, then he is hands down better.

 

[Wooderson]

So I will be in Chicago Monday night. Chance I might try to get to the game. What's the best place to find scalpers around the game?

If I don't go to the game what bar should I hang out at?

 

[basher]

So I will be in Chicago Monday night. Chance I might try to get to the game. What's the best place to find scalpers around the game?If I don't go to the game what bar should I hang out at?

Don't have any advice here but I just wanted to say I love your avatar!

 

[identikit]

Bears scratch Chris Williams for Monday night

Posted by Mike Florio on September 25, 2010 5:04 PM ET

Though Bears tackle Chris Williams reportedly was maneuvering well with a hamstring injury in the locker room on Thursday, he's not in good enough condition to play on Monday night.

The Bears have announced that Williams is out for the prime-time showdown with the Packers at Soldier Field.

Also out for the Bears, as expected, is safety Major Wright. (I almost typed Major Harris. It's a West Virginia thing.)

Probable for the Bears are linebacker Lance Briggs (ankle), defensive end Israel Idonije (foot), linebacker Brian Iwuh (quad), and linebacker Nick Roach (hamstring).

With a guy named Roach having a hamstring injury, I can't help but wonder whether the treatment includes medicinal marijuana.

Yeah, it's lame. But I still couldn't help but wonder it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...r-monday-night/

 

[DoubleG]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

The Packers have an advantage at QB but with the way Cutler is playing and the way Rodgers is playing it isn't overwhelming at all. Chicago homers ... how much will Chris Williams being out affect the game? I recall him being rather garbage but haven't been able to see him much this season.WR: advantage is the packers easily because of the fact that the #1 and #2 are better then anyone on the bears roster. Jones is probably not as good as knox but it isn't crazy to compare the two and say they are close.

ST: Hester/Knox have pedigree but the packers right now are averaging almost 7 more yards a return. The growth of Jordy Nelson as a return man has been a huge boon for the Packers. If anyone saw him last year they would tell you that Nelson returned the ball 10 yards then ran into the back of a blocker and went down. This year he is establishing great field position for the offense that so far hasn't really been capitalized on enough. Neither team has punt returned well but the Packers have the statistical advantage this year as well by 6 yards. Crosby has Gould in distance but Gould has Crosby in consistency over the past few years.

Overall I view it like this:

QB: Packers > Bears

RB: Bears >> Packers

WR: Packers >> Bears

OL: Wash (neither unit is really all that good ... packers have a slight advantage because of health)

TE: Packers > Bears (Finley has been a mismatch and has been every bit the chain mover as we thought he would be. DD has taken a lot of his end zone looks)

DL: Packers > Bears runs stopping, Peppers is better then anyone the packers have all around and provides a better pass rush.

LB: Bears > Packers (this is close with Matthews level of play right now)

DB: Packers > Bears (definite weakness on the bears but the packers have no depth)

I'm not sure I understand. You give the edge to the Packers, then explain all the reasons the Bears D-line is better. You also didn't rate special teams. Right now, even with Hester, I'd have to give the nod to Pack. The Bears coverage teams have been downright awful. If it weren't for an improvement in Robbie Gould's kickoff depth (I beleive he already has 3 touchbacks - after only 8 all of last year), the special teams would be putrid.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Cutler saved all his INT from last week for this week against the pack.

Oh, see? I thought Rodgers saved his torn ACL and seperated throwing shoulder for this Monday.

MEOW

 

[basher]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

The Packers have an advantage at QB but with the way Cutler is playing and the way Rodgers is playing it isn't overwhelming at all. Chicago homers ... how much will Chris Williams being out affect the game? I recall him being rather garbage but haven't been able to see him much this season.WR: advantage is the packers easily because of the fact that the #1 and #2 are better then anyone on the bears roster. Jones is probably not as good as knox but it isn't crazy to compare the two and say they are close.

ST: Hester/Knox have pedigree but the packers right now are averaging almost 7 more yards a return. The growth of Jordy Nelson as a return man has been a huge boon for the Packers. If anyone saw him last year they would tell you that Nelson returned the ball 10 yards then ran into the back of a blocker and went down. This year he is establishing great field position for the offense that so far hasn't really been capitalized on enough. Neither team has punt returned well but the Packers have the statistical advantage this year as well by 6 yards. Crosby has Gould in distance but Gould has Crosby in consistency over the past few years.

Overall I view it like this:

QB: Packers > Bears

RB: Bears >> Packers

WR: Packers >> Bears

OL: Wash (neither unit is really all that good ... packers have a slight advantage because of health)

TE: Packers > Bears (Finley has been a mismatch and has been every bit the chain mover as we thought he would be. DD has taken a lot of his end zone looks)

DL: Packers > Bears runs stopping, Peppers is better then anyone the packers have all around and provides a better pass rush.

LB: Bears > Packers (this is close with Matthews level of play right now)

DB: Packers > Bears (definite weakness on the bears but the packers have no depth)

I'm not sure I understand. You give the edge to the Packers, then explain all the reasons the Bears D-line is better. You also didn't rate special teams. Right now, even with Hester, I'd have to give the nod to Pack. The Bears coverage teams have been downright awful. If it weren't for an improvement in Robbie Gould's kickoff depth (I beleive he already has 3 touchbacks - after only 8 all of last year), the special teams would be putrid.

That should say the Packers are a better run stopping unit (although they are missing Jolly ... surprisingly) but Peppers is a better overall player then anyone the packers have on the DL. Mark Anderson, Tommie Harris, and Anthony Adams are all meh. Raji/Jenkins/Pickett are a quality unit.I also touched on special teams above and with the way the Packers are playing on all their special teams units ... I give them the nod. Kick return and coverage were big weaknesses last season but have been lights out so far. Punt return hasn't helped greatly but isn't awful. Punt coverage has been just fine although their punter leaves a lot to be desired. I like Crosby better then Gould but Gould is really, really good in Chicago with the weird Chi-town elements.

 

[JFT Ben]

ST's- Edge should go to Chicago. Crosby has been playing well....but Gould is 4/4 as well. He also has a much higher career %. Punting...Maynard has 5 inside the 20 already. Returning...Packers seem to be doing better this season. Although Knox, Bennett, Manning, Hester have all returned kicks for TD's for the Bears in past years.

Had to jump on the Crosby vs. Gould thing real quick. Here's a quick breakdown on the two from Patler from Packer Rats forum, basically says Packers trot out Crosby more frequently for 50+ yarders and that's the major difference in career %. Also, Crosby's kicks this year have been 49, 56, 44, 24 and Goulds have been 20, 30, 38, 40:Well, I got tired of reading all of the shallow reports about Robbie Gould being one of the best in the business and Mason Crosby being "improved". They point to Gould's career percentage of 86.25% in support. I decided to dig a little deeper. Gould is in his 6th year. Crosby in his 4th. Here are their stats 20-29 yards - Gould 38/38; Crosby 30/30 30-39 yards - Gould 55/59; Crosby 27/33 40-49 yards - Gould 43/58; Crosby 20/29 Under 50 yards - Gould 87.74%; Crosby 83.70%. So yes, Gould is a little better percentage wise. But lets look a little deeper: In 5+ seasons, Gould is 2/5 on kicks over 50 yards. Yes, he has tried only 5 of them! In two fewer seasons, Crosby is 9/18 on kicks over 50 yards. It makes me wonder how many Gould has from 45-49 yards and if the Bears pass up those opportunities with any regularity. I know the Packers don't. Gould has 7 blocked FG attempts. Crosby has 3. On kickoffs, Crosby has 8 more touchbacks in 4 seasons than Gould has in 6. I'll take Mason Crosby.

 

[FallenHero32]

how about if Rodgers throws 4 tds and the pack still lose?i hate fantasy.

All too Jennings too would be great.I also hate Fantasy.

 

[scott72]

48 hours to go..

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

ST's- Edge should go to Chicago. Crosby has been playing well....but Gould is 4/4 as well. He also has a much higher career %. Punting...Maynard has 5 inside the 20 already. Returning...Packers seem to be doing better this season. Although Knox, Bennett, Manning, Hester have all returned kicks for TD's for the Bears in past years.

Had to jump on the Crosby vs. Gould thing real quick. Here's a quick breakdown on the two from Patler from Packer Rats forum, basically says Packers trot out Crosby more frequently for 50+ yarders and that's the major difference in career %. Also, Crosby's kicks this year have been 49, 56, 44, 24 and Goulds have been 20, 30, 38, 40:Well, I got tired of reading all of the shallow reports about Robbie Gould being one of the best in the business and Mason Crosby being "improved". They point to Gould's career percentage of 86.25% in support. I decided to dig a little deeper. Gould is in his 6th year. Crosby in his 4th. Here are their stats 20-29 yards - Gould 38/38; Crosby 30/30 30-39 yards - Gould 55/59; Crosby 27/33 40-49 yards - Gould 43/58; Crosby 20/29 Under 50 yards - Gould 87.74%; Crosby 83.70%. So yes, Gould is a little better percentage wise. But lets look a little deeper: In 5+ seasons, Gould is 2/5 on kicks over 50 yards. Yes, he has tried only 5 of them! In two fewer seasons, Crosby is 9/18 on kicks over 50 yards. It makes me wonder how many Gould has from 45-49 yards and if the Bears pass up those opportunities with any regularity. I know the Packers don't. Gould has 7 blocked FG attempts. Crosby has 3. On kickoffs, Crosby has 8 more touchbacks in 4 seasons than Gould has in 6. I'll take Mason Crosby.

I appreciate well thought out posts and statistics backing them up.However, i'm not sure why you still pick Crosby. The only advantages he has would be: a) more touchbacks b) stronger leg(which has led to only a 10% increase in making a 50+ yarder). You note the blocked FG attempts....but fail to take into consideration that Gould has attempted 50 more FG's than Crosby. Crosby also almost lost his job....never in the discussion with Gould.Give me the guy that makes kicks more than the guy that has a strong leg.

 

[DoubleG]

ST's- Edge should go to Chicago. Crosby has been playing well....but Gould is 4/4 as well. He also has a much higher career %. Punting...Maynard has 5 inside the 20 already. Returning...Packers seem to be doing better this season. Although Knox, Bennett, Manning, Hester have all returned kicks for TD's for the Bears in past years.

Had to jump on the Crosby vs. Gould thing real quick. Here's a quick breakdown on the two from Patler from Packer Rats forum, basically says Packers trot out Crosby more frequently for 50+ yarders and that's the major difference in career %. Also, Crosby's kicks this year have been 49, 56, 44, 24 and Goulds have been 20, 30, 38, 40:Well, I got tired of reading all of the shallow reports about Robbie Gould being one of the best in the business and Mason Crosby being "improved". They point to Gould's career percentage of 86.25% in support. I decided to dig a little deeper.

Gould is in his 6th year. Crosby in his 4th. Here are their stats

20-29 yards - Gould 38/38; Crosby 30/30

30-39 yards - Gould 55/59; Crosby 27/33

40-49 yards - Gould 43/58; Crosby 20/29

Under 50 yards - Gould 87.74%; Crosby 83.70%. So yes, Gould is a little better percentage wise. But lets look a little deeper:

In 5+ seasons, Gould is 2/5 on kicks over 50 yards. Yes, he has tried only 5 of them! In two fewer seasons, Crosby is 9/18 on kicks over 50 yards. It makes me wonder how many Gould has from 45-49 yards and if the Bears pass up those opportunities with any regularity. I know the Packers don't.

Gould has 7 blocked FG attempts. Crosby has 3.

On kickoffs, Crosby has 8 more touchbacks in 4 seasons than Gould has in 6.

I'll take Mason Crosby.

40-49 yards - Gould 43/58 (74%); Crosby 20/29 (69%)HTH in terms of longer range.

A few points here - first, it's not exactly fair to punish Gould if Lovie choses to play more conservativly and trust his defense more.

Second, I might actually agree with you except that Gould has worked on his strength more this offseason - he's already had 3 touchbacks in 2 games vs. 8 all last year. In fact looking at this years kickoff stats, in 12 kicks Crosby has 0 TBs, while Gould has 3/10 and has the 2nd best average in the league.

There has also been much talk about letting him try more 50+ yarders for that very reason.

So, based on previous seasons, I may have agreed, but going forawrd Gould might be a better kicker (he has been so far in 2010)

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

QB: I think he was basing it on more than just 2 games this year.

WR: Might not be...but I don't think its that far fetched.

ST: Punting you get...though, I don't think our punter has been asked to even try pinning one deep yet. Jordy is doing well on returns. Tramon is ok. Crosby right now is just in a zone and has a huge leg. We will see if he can keep it up.

I am sure you are right that it is based on more than two games, and I am certainly not going to say Cutler is better than Rodgers, but at this point in the season I don't think it is Rodgers "in a walk". We have only seen Cutler play in this offense for 2 games and he has looked great in it even with the bad WR corp and bad OL. Also admittedly that is against the Lions and what looks to be an overrated Cowboys team, but I think that Cutler on this team and in this offense is at least in the same discussion as Rodgers at this point this year.

The Packers have an advantage at QB but with the way Cutler is playing and the way Rodgers is playing it isn't overwhelming at all. Chicago homers ... how much will Chris Williams being out affect the game? I recall him being rather garbage but haven't been able to see him much this season.WR: advantage is the packers easily because of the fact that the #1 and #2 are better then anyone on the bears roster. Jones is probably not as good as knox but it isn't crazy to compare the two and say they are close.

ST: Hester/Knox have pedigree but the packers right now are averaging almost 7 more yards a return. The growth of Jordy Nelson as a return man has been a huge boon for the Packers. If anyone saw him last year they would tell you that Nelson returned the ball 10 yards then ran into the back of a blocker and went down. This year he is establishing great field position for the offense that so far hasn't really been capitalized on enough. Neither team has punt returned well but the Packers have the statistical advantage this year as well by 6 yards. Crosby has Gould in distance but Gould has Crosby in consistency over the past few years.

Overall I view it like this:

QB: Packers > Bears

RB: Bears >> Packers

WR: Packers >> Bears

OL: Wash (neither unit is really all that good ... packers have a slight advantage because of health)

TE: Packers > Bears (Finley has been a mismatch and has been every bit the chain mover as we thought he would be. DD has taken a lot of his end zone looks)

DL: Packers > Bears runs stopping, Peppers is better then anyone the packers have all around and provides a better pass rush.

LB: Bears > Packers (this is close with Matthews level of play right now)

DB: Packers > Bears (definite weakness on the bears but the packers have no depth)

I'm not sure I understand. You give the edge to the Packers, then explain all the reasons the Bears D-line is better. You also didn't rate special teams. Right now, even with Hester, I'd have to give the nod to Pack. The Bears coverage teams have been downright awful. If it weren't for an improvement in Robbie Gould's kickoff depth (I beleive he already has 3 touchbacks - after only 8 all of last year), the special teams would be putrid.

That should say the Packers are a better run stopping unit (although they are missing Jolly ... surprisingly) but Peppers is a better overall player then anyone the packers have on the DL. Mark Anderson, Tommie Harris, and Anthony Adams are all meh. Raji/Jenkins/Pickett are a quality unit.I also touched on special teams above and with the way the Packers are playing on all their special teams units ... I give them the nod. Kick return and coverage were big weaknesses last season but have been lights out so far. Punt return hasn't helped greatly but isn't awful. Punt coverage has been just fine although their punter leaves a lot to be desired. I like Crosby better then Gould but Gould is really, really good in Chicago with the weird Chi-town elements.

The Packers run D hasn't been as good this season as last, the Bears currently rank #1.

 

[Green94]

Checking in...this week will prove whether or not the Bears are for real. Great game last week, if they can beat the Pack there are going to be a lot of surprised people in Chicago.

 

[two_dollars]

History

Rodgers vs the Bears:

12/13/2009: 16 for 24, 180 yds, 0 td, 0 int, sacked 3 times in a win

09/13/2009: 17 for 28, 184 yds, 1 td, 0 int, sacked 4 times in a win

12/22/2008: 24 for 39, 260 yds, 2 td, 1 int, sacked 0 times in a loss

11/16/2008: 23 for 30, 233 yds, 2 td, 1 int, sacked 0 times in a win

Cutler vs the Packers:

12/13/2009: 23 for 36, 209 yds, 2 td, 2 int, sacked 3 times in a loss

09/13/2009: 17 for 36, 277 yds, 1 td, 4 int, sacked 2 times in a loss

 

[DrJ]

At least I'll get the game here in northern Wisconsin.

Pretty sure I'll get it at Soldier Field as well.