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Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears...it's that week again. (1 Viewer)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,7498426.story

Article comparing Cutler to Rodgers with quotes from NFL D-Backs, basically saying both are excellent QB's...Cutler better arm, Rodgers makes better decisions, both can run/make plays but take some silly sacks...almost all D-Backs think these two will be fighting for the top dog at QB spot for the next ten years with a few others.

The Bears LB core(best in the league, imo, when healthy, they just don't put up ridicuous sack numbers like the DE/LB's do in 3-4 D's), and their D-Line, if Tommie Harris is good to go, (he will never be the same dominant force due to the leg injury, but he still commands respect), and Peppers is hyped, (the most intimidating player to look at, not saying skill wise, as there are a few defenders who are better, but none look as fierce/big/strong/etc, and yes, I know that is pretty much meaningless to 95% of NFL players, but freaks of nature like Peppers don't come along much and if there are any rookies on GB's line, that 5% may rear it's ugly head) it will be almost impossible for GB to run the ball/do anything with their screen passes. Nevertheless....

Rodgers, being the elite QB he is, should be able to find the holes in Lovie Smith's D, with the game probably coming down to whether or not Rodgers and company can get some big gainers/long TD's(the key to beating a HEALTHY Lovie Smith defense). Of course, Martz versus Capers is why this game will be watched by pretty much all NFL big-wigs/coaches/die-hards/strategos/etc, as this is the ULTIMATE chess match. An offensive mastermind, versus a defensive guru...something will break, just no sure what it's going to be!

Bottom line, I think both teams/coaching staffs(I think the Bears have 4 "head coaches", lol, as Tice, Martz, Lovie, and Marinelli all run a part of the team) respect the hell out of each other, and the game will reflect that...as I don't see a 45-38 game on tap. This game could very easily determine the NFC North(should the Vikings fail to get healthy, Favre continues to regress, etc), and it may be THE NFC North rivalry for years to come(of course Matt Stafford could very easily crash the party if he becomes the real deal). Cutler, Rodgers, Stafford all maturing/developing at the same time? For those living in NFC North territory, y'all may be in for a treat over the next ten years....as the best football in the world could be played between these four teams.

My prediction: Packers 21 ---- Bears 18

It's going to take Cutler another 20 games or so to truly learn everything he needs to know about the "GREATEST SHOW ON TURF" offense", and I expect to see a few turnover here and there, just like last year when Cutler was forced to learn a new offense. If Martz leaves the Bears, and Cutler is forced to learn a new offense for the 4th time in 4 years? Well, all the critics can just relax. as that isn't fair to ANY QB, regardless of whether or not they are as gifted as Rodgers or Cutler or Stafford or Favre(see 2008). He will deserve another mulligan...but I digress.

It's front seven(on defense) versus opposing front seven(on defense)...who can create the most havoc, and given the Bears are playing without their starting LT, although I think the Packers will get Martzed a few times, but I see the Packers making enough key stops/sacks/picks to knock off the Bears in Chicago and sew up the division, for the most part. I think both teams, as well as the Vikings, win 9+ games, so NFC North fans, sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy the start of something that you will be telling your grandkids about 40 years from now...be safe tonight y'all, see ya tommorow!

 
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Why does everyone say that you need so long to learn the Martz offense? Trent Green was looking spectacular in the preseason before going down, and Warner ended up winning the MVP and going to the Superbowl that year. They had a great supporting cast, far superior than what Cutler has to work with here, but bottom line is that it didn't take the QB's long to learn the offense.

And Bob, special was the 1994 season where the Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Lions all made the playoffs. And ended up having a Packers/Lions and Bears/Vikings wildcard round. With 4 divisions it can't even get that special anymore. :blackdot:

 
Long is subjective, of course DrJ, but it takes any QB a while to become truly comfortable in a new system, at least one season, imo. Which is why I'm going to give up on the Bears completely if they do not do everything in their power to keep Martz and Cutler together for a long time. Sure, a QB can know all the plays and his hot WR's with a bunch of studying, but in game trial by fire is where the learning goes on, and it's going to take a while. I don't think I'm off-base here, and I do believe Cutler(and Martz) deserve at least 32 games( 2 seasons ) to try and put everything together, filling in the KEY pieces during the process. This next off-season? Need to open the draft/FA checkbook for a true(preferably tall) #1 WR AND a pass-blocking offensive lineman worth the $. If they have to trade a #1 pick to get both of these pieces, do it...because unless the Bears give Cutler better protection and a legit #1 option at WR/stuf pass-blocking tackle or guard, the offense will never reach its full potential, but I think we both know(and agree) on this.It's just my opinion that it takes a while for a QB to learn everything he needs to know about a system, escpecially one as detailed as Martz', it may only take Cutler/Martz a few games, but I will not be angry if they struggle a bit due to lack of protection/stud WR/trial by error. I'm giving Cutler a mulligan on this season even if they win 12! And the next one if the Bears screw him over by forcing him to learn his 4th system in 4 years.I agree, a route is a route, and a throw is a throw, but it may take 16-32 games before Cutler is living/breathing/dreaming about HIS offense, ala Peyton Manning and his mentor in Indy. That situation, while not easily obtainable, is a legit possibility with a talented QB like Cutler paired with a mind/mentor like Martz.I know you are a very knowledgable Bears fan DrJ, and I know you will not want to kick Martz to the curb should the Bears win 8 games again and, as a result, Lovie fired and set free to some other team to do what he does best, coordinate a defense. I am expecting the Bears new head-coach(hopefully not Martz, as he is best used in his current position) to keep the Martz/Cutler tandem together for a long time...this is key to the future of the Bears franchise AND my spot on the Bears bandwagon. This offense can be similar to the "GREATEST SHOW ON TURF". but the pieces are not all in place just yet, and I don't see it being ready to DOMINATE till 2013 at the earliest. Don't get me wrong, it will still be a solid top 10-15 NFL offense, but the top 1-5? Gonna take a few years, and the Bears owners/front office had better allow them the time to build something special. Goodnight Bears/Packers fans! Here's to an injury free, classic game featuring the oldest rivalry in American football.

Why does everyone say that you need so long to learn the Martz offense? Trent Green was looking spectacular in the preseason before going down, and Warner ended up winning the MVP and going to the Superbowl that year. They had a great supporting cast, far superior than what Cutler has to work with here, but bottom line is that it didn't take the QB's long to learn the offense.And Bob, special was the 1994 season where the Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Lions all made the playoffs. And ended up having a Packers/Lions and Bears/Vikings wildcard round. With 4 divisions it can't even get that special anymore. :)
That was special, and oh so very rare...but I think 3 NFC North teams(assuming the Bears master the Martz offense to go along with their usual solid D / The Lions stash of talented high draft picks learns how to win/ the Packers keep their core together) is probably the max come 2013. Sure, the Vikings have a ton of talent, but it could get old, and fast at key positions...ADP only has a few dominant years left, as sad as that is...such is life as an NFL RB.
 
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We'll see, I definitely didn't expect them to play this good so early. If they do end up winning 8 and Lovie gets kicked to the curb it would really depend on who they brought in and he well the offense was actually doing. If they bring in someone like Cowher, I wouldn't be disappointed with whatever he did. I'm a little scared they end up hiring someone that has never coached an NFL game and no one else seems to want, like they almost always do.

As for this game, I'm going with Da Bears. 34-3. Cutler is far too awesome, and the Bears run defense is far too fierce for the outcome of this game to be any different. Not only is Cutler already a budding master of the Martz offense, but he's going to show it on national TV for the entire universe to see. Rodgers probably gets hurt by Peppers in the 2nd quarter, and he gets another fine for the opposing QB being a crybaby.

 
So I will be in Chicago Monday night. Chance I might try to get to the game. What's the best place to find scalpers around the game?If I don't go to the game what bar should I hang out at?
I got Bears fever. I will be in a Chicago bar watching the game Monday night. "looking for suggestions" So Cutler is getting the call over Shaub. It just seems so right to drink beer and cheer for the Bears with the rest of the city. :sadbanana:
 
Football Critic said:
I see this thread has been very useful. :sarcasm:
What were you expecting? As a Saints fan, I don't think you even understand what this game is about.
He just joined FBG this year...and is apparently new to the NFL game as well. It's called a "rivalry" - and it's one of the best in all of sports. YWIA.
 
27 hours till kick-off..two young QB's just entering their primes, one who some consider the future "Best NFL QB", the other who may put up stats to challenge that claim(assuming Martz does the smart thing, and becomes a Tom Moore-esque mentor/long-term coordinator for his uber-talented but raw QB). Once Stafford joins the big-boys table, and hell, he may be sitting there come week 12 of this season, the NFC North may just be the most "watchable" division in football. Time will certainly tell regarding that claim....

...sorry for not mentioning you Tarvaris Jackson, can you please forgive me? When Mike Vick arrives in Minneapolis next year, things will truly become crazy.

This matchup is one of a select few that helped make football what it is today, as "storied" of a rivalry as you will find. Over the past 20 years, for all but a select few every now and then, the games between these two teams usually played out in one of two ways...the Packers offense overwhelming the Bears D, or the Bears D making the Packers O look silly. Times are a changing...and for the better, imo....

 
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Why does everyone say that you need so long to learn the Martz offense? Trent Green was looking spectacular in the preseason before going down, and Warner ended up winning the MVP and going to the Superbowl that year. They had a great supporting cast, far superior than what Cutler has to work with here, but bottom line is that it didn't take the QB's long to learn the offense.And Bob, special was the 1994 season where the Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Lions all made the playoffs. And ended up having a Packers/Lions and Bears/Vikings wildcard round. With 4 divisions it can't even get that special anymore. :thumbdown:
one of the former Martz Rams WR was on 670 AM about a month ago, I forget who. But he said how he starts with a simplified version of his scheme at the beginning and slowly builds it up as the players get it and keeps on growing. its gets complicated by the end, but he understands how to slowly and gradually expand it.
 
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Do the Bears have anyone who can block Clay Matthews? If not, it will be a very long night for Cutler.
I respectfully feel the same way about Peppers and Briggs. The Packer running game is going to get shut back so look for Rodgers to be throwing a ton and that means rolling away from Peppers.
 
A caller on Paul Allen's radio show (PA is the play by play for the Vikings radio broadcast and has a daily sports talk show) asked the following question:

"I am in a points per reception fantasy football league. Who should I start tonight: Johnny Knox, Devin Hester, or Charles Woodson."

I have to admit, I laughed heartily.

 
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benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Flash said:
pantagrapher said:
Johnnymac said:
Do the Bears have anyone who can block Clay Matthews? If not, it will be a very long night for Cutler.
They didn't have anyone who could block Demarcus Ware either.
DeMarcus Ware is no Clay Matthews.Good day sir.
He has played less than 20 career games. Lets give him some time before yall insult one of the best pass rushers in the game.
I would say that at this juncture matthews is a better all around player. Matthews is a capable run stopper and isn't weak in pass coverage either.
 
Flash said:
pantagrapher said:
Johnnymac said:
Do the Bears have anyone who can block Clay Matthews? If not, it will be a very long night for Cutler.
They didn't have anyone who could block Demarcus Ware either.
DeMarcus Ware is no Clay Matthews.Good day sir.
:goodposting: Matthews doesn't take plays off. Ware does from time to time. Matthews has an incredible motor and I don't really see that with Ware.
 
Flash said:
pantagrapher said:
Johnnymac said:
Do the Bears have anyone who can block Clay Matthews? If not, it will be a very long night for Cutler.
They didn't have anyone who could block Demarcus Ware either.
DeMarcus Ware is no Clay Matthews.Good day sir.
:goodposting: Matthews doesn't take plays off. Ware does from time to time. Matthews has an incredible motor and I don't really see that with Ware.
I think what he was trying to say was that if Martz follows the same 3 step drop / quick release plays he used in Dallas, that Ware didn't and Matthews won't have the time to get to Cutler before the ball is gone. I have a prop bet that Matthews gets a roughing the passer call tonight.
 
Flash said:
pantagrapher said:
Johnnymac said:
Do the Bears have anyone who can block Clay Matthews? If not, it will be a very long night for Cutler.
They didn't have anyone who could block Demarcus Ware either.
DeMarcus Ware is no Clay Matthews.Good day sir.
:lmao: Matthews doesn't take plays off. Ware does from time to time. Matthews has an incredible motor and I don't really see that with Ware.
I think what he was trying to say was that if Martz follows the same 3 step drop / quick release plays he used in Dallas, that Ware didn't and Matthews won't have the time to get to Cutler before the ball is gone. I have a prop bet that Matthews gets a roughing the passer call tonight.
This will be the strategy and it's all but guaranteed Matthews will get one, imo...at least that is what Cutler and the Bears will try to make happen...if Martz adjusts like he did last week, Clay will be non-factor(unless he picks off a pass), as that is where the NFL is headed(QB's releasing the ball ridiculously fast...Should be fun to watch...can't wait!
 
Not very sure about how this game will go - I still don't think either offense is doing that well.

Bears D looks better to me than the Pack D

That, plus home field - Bears 23-17

Still going to root for the Pack to punk the bears

 
Martz and other OC's should have a gameplan that puts extra blockers to Clay Mathews side, roll out opposite him...screen passes behind him...etc.Use his aggressiveness against him.
Kevin Kolb tried running the other way :goodposting:
Mike Vick made it work...
Who is a closer comparison for Jay Cutler? Vick or Kolb? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Cutler 4.77 Short shuttle 4.25Matthews 4.62 SS 4.18Now how much the PED have helped Matthews time is TBD
 
Interesting that Dimitri Nance is inactive for tonight's MNF game vs the Bears, as he got some carries in last week's game.

Looks like Rodgers will be throwing a ton.

 
Just saw on www.chicagobears.com blog that Tommy Harris is inactive tonight per coach's decision.
ouch... this isn't good.
yea what's up with this Bear fans? Heard nothing about an injury over the weekend.
got nothing...RotoWire) Harris is inactive for Monday night's game against the Packers, the Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs reports.Analysis: Health-wise, Harris appears to be fine, and the Bears are calling it a "coach's decision." This should make things easier on Brandon Jackson, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense.
 
Just saw on www.chicagobears.com blog that Tommy Harris is inactive tonight per coach's decision.
ouch... this isn't good.
yea what's up with this Bear fans? Heard nothing about an injury over the weekend.
got nothing...RotoWire) Harris is inactive for Monday night's game against the Packers, the Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs reports.

Analysis: Health-wise, Harris appears to be fine, and the Bears are calling it a "coach's decision." This should make things easier on Brandon Jackson, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense.
Probably not. Harris has been completely ineffective this year.
 
Just saw on www.chicagobears.com blog that Tommy Harris is inactive tonight per coach's decision.
ouch... this isn't good.
yea what's up with this Bear fans? Heard nothing about an injury over the weekend.
got nothing...RotoWire) Harris is inactive for Monday night's game against the Packers, the Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs reports.Analysis: Health-wise, Harris appears to be fine, and the Bears are calling it a "coach's decision." This should make things easier on Brandon Jackson, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense.
Wow..I guess we'll take it, but it's a curious decision especially given it's a huge division game..
 
Martz and other OC's should have a gameplan that puts extra blockers to Clay Mathews side, roll out opposite him...screen passes behind him...etc.Use his aggressiveness against him.
Kevin Kolb tried running the other way :rant:
:D
:shrug: not really sure what you are getting at. Matthews made plays, the packers sacked Cutler 3 times and hit him multiple. The Bears made nice half time adjustments. or are you just trying to be a d-bag?
 
Martz and other OC's should have a gameplan that puts extra blockers to Clay Mathews side, roll out opposite him...screen passes behind him...etc.Use his aggressiveness against him.
Kevin Kolb tried running the other way :)
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:football: not really sure what you are getting at. Matthews made plays, the packers sacked Cutler 3 times and hit him multiple. The Bears made nice half time adjustments. or are you just trying to be a d-bag?
Pretty sure he was just pointing out that Matthews was pretty much a non-factor - which until the 4th quarter he was. In the Cowboy game, Ware's name was at least mentioned before the 4th quarter. Certainly the Packers got pressure - especially when they rushed more than 4, but rarely was Matthews the one providing the pressure (last 4th quarter being the exception).
 
Martz and other OC's should have a gameplan that puts extra blockers to Clay Mathews side, roll out opposite him...screen passes behind him...etc.Use his aggressiveness against him.
Kevin Kolb tried running the other way :)
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:blackdot: not really sure what you are getting at. Matthews made plays, the packers sacked Cutler 3 times and hit him multiple. The Bears made nice half time adjustments. or are you just trying to be a d-bag?
Pretty sure he was just pointing out that Matthews was pretty much a non-factor - which until the 4th quarter he was. In the Cowboy game, Ware's name was at least mentioned before the 4th quarter. Certainly the Packers got pressure - especially when they rushed more than 4, but rarely was Matthews the one providing the pressure (last 4th quarter being the exception).
At least one person can think critically around here. Color me surprised, a homer Packer fan to resort to name calling another FBG. Stay Classy.
 
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