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Gregg Williams Named Rams Defensive Coordinator (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He needed a change
valhallan
Footballguy
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Good riddance, Gregg.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I also think Darren Sharper covered up a lot of problems they had on defense.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
This is a good post MOP When you have a safety with the smarts and range that Sharper had it's a lot easier to blitz knowing that this guy will be in the right place every time. I'm not sure the Saints win a Super Bowl without Sharper that year.
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Luke Skywalker
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The Saints defense in 2010 was one of the top units in the league (ended 4th in total yardage, 7th in points allowed). Sharper was on the injured list for 3/4 of that season. They played a lot of coverage with few blitzes, a lot of zone and it worked.For what ever reason, GW decided to mess with that formula this year and it blew up in his face.
Pnishthm
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Numbers are numbers but as a Saints fan you can't say you felt the defense was good last season can you?
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Luke Skywalker
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Yes, I can. They were solid all year, then the injuries hit right before the playoffs. I'm not basing my opinion solely off numbers...but they only gave up 306 yards a game. Kinda hard to accomplish that with smoke and mirrors.
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Gadabout
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Luke Skywalker
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I will throw in my
as well.Honestly, I think a solid defensive mind and a conventional scheme will have this defense in the top half of the league easily.
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Donnybrook
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Careful what you wish for. Was Washington defense better after Greg Williams left?
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Luke Skywalker
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As I recall they were really awful one year of his tenure and pretty decent the next. Kind of reminds me of his stint with the Saints actually. No consistency from year to year.
Pnishthm
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Yeah maybe the Saints will get stuck with some D coordinator that gives up 42 pts to Seattle and 37 to SF instead in playoff games to replace him. I guess it could be worse...Careful what you wish for. Was Washington defense better after Greg Williams left?
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
Definitely could be worse. It is good to have high expectations I guess. Saint fans have never been guilty of that. How is that Hall of Famer you drafted last year doing?
Pnishthm
Footballguy
He'd have probably been smart enough not to leave a safety in sigle coverage on V. Davis when the 9ers had to drive 85 yards in 1:28 to beat him.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I was pretty amazed at that as well. I am not saying Williams is the greatest DC to walk the earth but I like how you guys are convinced the other candidates are better.He'd have probably been smart enough not to leave a safety in sigle coverage on V. Davis when the 9ers had to drive 85 yards in 1:28 to beat him.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Good luck Greg. You did more good than harm for the Saints. We will replace you just fine and you will be with your bud Jeff. Works out for everyone.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
actually you will get our leftovers now. New Orleans is the top job the the D Coordinators want.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
No you're right... you never know what you're gonna get. But I can't take another year of Williams' blitz no matter the situation attitude and him trying to make R. Harper and M Jenkins superstars. We actually have decent players on that side of the ball. Porter and Greer can cover anybody. I think we can find a coordinator that can plan to the strength of our players.I was pretty amazed at that as well. I am not saying Williams is the greatest DC to walk the earth but I like how you guys are convinced the other candidates are better.He'd have probably been smart enough not to leave a safety in sigle coverage on V. Davis when the 9ers had to drive 85 yards in 1:28 to beat him.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
lol@ all the bitter Saints fans happy to see a good coach go.
I was re-watching the highlights of that game and I was astonished at the way he switched out of an effective zone scheme just to go man...I mean, it was the only way the Niners had a chance. He had to know that doing that improved the chances for a big play against them by a huge percentage.
It just makes no sense.
It just makes no sense.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
so with the Rams, is he contractually obligated to wear that golf cap, ala Payton, or is that just a 'Saints' thing? 
Warpig
Footballguy
With an offense like what the Saints have, all you need is a middle of the road defense. One capable of making a stop here and there. Because more than likely, that offense will outscore the other team.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
His Ds have always played a little dirty
Gadabout
Footballguy
It's the whole "Nice guy, bad dude" approach to life. PM for details.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i tend to think of him like martz in chicago. he has a system that works but is running with the wrong personnel to take advantage of it. the front four were able to pressure opposing QBs but got very few sacks, despite a lot talent there. the LBs were never developed either. i mean, i have been begging for shanle to be replaced for years. you can't run a system like that with the wrong people.
Jason Wood
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This move was no surprise, as Williams and Fisher are good buddies and Williams wasn't happy about his contract situation (even though he's been one of the highest paid assistants in the NFL for years).
I think he's a talented guy but I wonder if he doesn't suffer from the same thing many coaches do -- inflexibility. When Williams has his type of personnel, that can fit his attacking, complex style, he can look like a genius. But I never get the sense he's a guy that can take what's there, evaluate it, and then craft a scheme that gives that personnel group the best chance to win. I'm not sure my criticism is fair, it's just how I perceive him. And to be fair, there are very few coaches on either side of the ball that are really that adaptable.
I think he's a talented guy but I wonder if he doesn't suffer from the same thing many coaches do -- inflexibility. When Williams has his type of personnel, that can fit his attacking, complex style, he can look like a genius. But I never get the sense he's a guy that can take what's there, evaluate it, and then craft a scheme that gives that personnel group the best chance to win. I'm not sure my criticism is fair, it's just how I perceive him. And to be fair, there are very few coaches on either side of the ball that are really that adaptable.
Really? They could pick up one of those guys, but if I were a DC, I would like a little more of a run-controlled offense.'Breesisdaman said:
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Luke Skywalker
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The Saints had the 5th-ranked rushing offense and were 2nd in time of possession this year. Not sure what more you would want.
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Luke Skywalker
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The aggravating thing is, that's exactly what he did in 2010 and the Saints had the best defense they've had since the early 90's. Then, for some reason, he totally abandoned that approach this year despite having the exact same personnel. I don't know if it was just an ego thing or what, but it was obvious that it wasn't working all season and he never even tried to adapt. Hence you see so many Saints fans who are glad to see the guy gone.'Jason Wood said:
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Luke Skywalker
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Not sure if you understand the definition of "bitter" here....'SacramentoBob said:
SaintsInDome2006
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Well, the Seattle game was from the 2010 postseason and that was no masterpiece. Torn up by Hasselbeck and Carlson and Lynch running through yet another very predictable hole up the middle. Yes Harper and Smith were there but no one else. When everybody knew that was what was going to be the play. *Throughout* Gregg Williams' tenure the Saints have been constantly ripped by TE's great and small (James Casey, Shancoe, Vernon Davis, it doesn't matter) and RBs hitting it up the middle and off-tackle (Ernie Graham, Lynch, Gore, whoever).Cut to 2011 postseason, SF has ONE receiving threat on the field and he's covered by a safety, no CB help. How? Why? On the TD play Shanle bites on the 3rd string TE doing a button hook at the 1st down marker when everyone knows it's a TD to win, a FG to tie, no inbetween, somehow the team's defensive IQ was never what the offense's was. Thank you Gregg for 2009 really but it seemed like the big difference between then and 2010-11 defensively was Sharper.I agree with the guy above, we thought we were getting the defensive Payton, instead we got the defensive Martz.
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Shutout
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I think he's right. Lots of Saints fans seem to really be stinging from two straight years of absolutely amazing success in the regular season that comes undone in the playoffs.So, yeah, seems like a lot of frustration that has a very bitter taste in the mouths of fans saying "what if..." and "If only...". Its understandable. Its going to be really hard for anyone to call out the offense. They carried their end of the bargain, right? But wait. During the entire regular season, where was the "pile on" threads about Williams when the Saints were 7-1 or 11-2 or whatever? No one was ushering him out of town then.And now, we see a lot of people criticizing a particular defensive call on a final drive or criticizing a player for playing his assignment and taking the short option away as he was supposed to. So, we have established that it wasn't what was done in the regular season that people hated about the Defense. So its all about this one game: the one they lost in the playoffs. But was it the defense that turned the ball over 5 times? Its funny how the axiom is that football is the ultimate team sport yet everyone from ESPN to us is always the first to ask the question "who's to blame for this?" It is not a game played in a vaccuum. One bad play on vernon davis isn't a reason to blame Williams. You could have a perfect call made and sometimes, yes sometimes, the Wr is still going to catch that ball on Revis. So if you start pinning all the blame on one guy, then you really need to spread it out and ask questions like "is it possible that all the turnovers hurt the Saints? Maybe by putting stress on them or tiring them out? Where those points the lionshare of the reason the Niners were even in position to be able to tie or win?For a bunch of fans that never won a SB until a few years ago, some are real quick to forget how to appreciate how important Williams was to helping them win that SB.How many of us have ever had a dominant Fantasy team that kicked butt all through the regular season...and then lost in the playoffs? Are we bad owners that should just quit now because we called a bad play (made a lineup decision that hurt us)? Williams meant more to the saints' recent successes than he did their failures. Be careful what you wish for saints fans.
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Luke Skywalker
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www.saintsreport.comPlenty of them to be found, all season long. People have been clamoring to cut this guy loose all season. Just look if you don't believe me.
saintfool
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if nothing else, the departure of williams should finally put some urgency in addressing the defense this offseason. yes, the saints have some decisions to make regarding impending FAs but that's really on the offensive side. they have had one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL - again - this season. the defense needs to be upgraded and should happen at long last.
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