Guy records DUI stop, Cops not happy, video explodes (1 Viewer)

[BigJohn]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

Anybody that think resisting, even an unlawful arrest, gives them a better chance at their desired result is a complete idiot and deserves whatever happens to them.

So he deserved die when the guy in civilian clothes grabs him in a choke hold the department has clearly made improper use of force?

Why does it matter what he was wearing? They've only been refered to as cops. I would hope they would have identified themselves as cops. Are they something differrent?

 

[NCCommish]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

Anybody that think resisting, even an unlawful arrest, gives them a better chance at their desired result is a complete idiot and deserves whatever happens to them.

So he deserved die when the guy in civilian clothes grabs him in a choke hold the department has clearly made improper use of force?

Why does it matter what he was wearing? They've only been refered to as cops. I would hope they would have identified themselves as cops. Are they something differrent?

He didn't identify himself. But regardless that wasn't really the question was it? Did this guy deserve to die? Is it a problem the officer improperly used force to kill him?

 

[BigJohn]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

Anybody that think resisting, even an unlawful arrest, gives them a better chance at their desired result is a complete idiot and deserves whatever happens to them.

So he deserved die when the guy in civilian clothes grabs him in a choke hold the department has clearly made improper use of force?

Why does it matter what he was wearing? They've only been refered to as cops. I would hope they would have identified themselves as cops. Are they something differrent?

He didn't identify himself. But regardless that wasn't really the question was it? Did this guy deserve to die? Is it a problem the officer improperly used force to kill him?

How do you know he didn't identify himself? Is there another video that shows the entire confronation? By what standards did he 'improperly use force'?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

This wasn't an unlawful arrest. The cops identified themselves as cops, and told him what crime was being alleged. The fact that he was completely innocent (for the sake of assumption) does not make the arrest unlawful. He shouldn't have resisted.

That said, the penalty for resisting arrest isn't supposed to be death. He was saying he couldn't breath. That's on the cops.

 

[BigJohn]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

This wasn't an unlawful arrest. The cops identified themselves as cops, and told him what crime was being alleged. The fact that he was completely innocent (for the sake of assumption) does not make the arrest unlawful. He shouldn't have resisted.

That said, the penalty for resisting arrest isn't supposed to be death. He was saying he couldn't breath. That's on the cops.

If it is determined that the choke hold was excessive use of force, then, absolutely, it's on them. When he's saying he can't breathe, the guy on his neck has already let go. If I had to guess, the weight of the guy on his back is what kept him from breathing and ultimately killed him.

 

[Zow]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

No.

You're citing an 1893 Indiana Supreme Court case. It likely has no authority on the situation in NY. I know in AZ there is no law granting anyone the authority to resist even an unlawful arrest.

Sounds like you aren't the first person to wrongly cite this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State

 

[Sinn Fein]

Did not read this story, but speaking from experience, at least in NC, you are allowed to take reasonable steps to resist arrest, if you believe the arrest is not valid.

In my case, police identified themselves, and stated they were placing me under arrest for trespassing. When the officer placed his hand on my shoulder, I jerked it away, which led to the inevitable body slam, knee in back, which makes being "right", not necessarily a good thing.

In addition to trespassing, resisting arrest charge tacked on. both charges dismissed by judge at trial - I was not trespassing at the time of the arrest since I lived in the apartment complex, where the police had been called to disperse a party, and judge said that the act of pulling away from Officer Best, was reasonable under the circumstances. ####ers.

 

[Psychopav]

It's tragic that kids lost their father in a situation that probably should not have been an issue to begin with. Simply horrible.

With that said, there is an instant where this scenario flipped from completely avoidable to the unfortunate outcome that played out. That instant is where he decides that he is going to fight his arrest. Before that instant, the cops had put him in a position where he felt he was being wrongfully accused of something, and he has every right to voice his displeasure. I have no problem whatsoever with him being vocal about what he feels is wrong and unfair. But the very second that the cops move to detain him and he makes the choice to resist, the responsibilty of the result of his actions fall squarely on him. I'm sorry, but everything else becomes completely irrelevant once he decides to resist. I don't care what happened before. I don't care that he's athmatic. His decision completely nulifies what happened up to that point. If he speaks his piece then calmly allows the police to place him in custody, the chances of him losing his life are pretty much zero. You feel like you were wrongfully detained? Fight that fight in court. There is no scenario where fighting the cops in the street, results in the outcome you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, or not:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.

This wasn't an unlawful arrest. The cops identified themselves as cops, and told him what crime was being alleged. The fact that he was completely innocent (for the sake of assumption) does not make the arrest unlawful. He shouldn't have resisted.

That said, the penalty for resisting arrest isn't supposed to be death. He was saying he couldn't breath. That's on the cops.

If it is determined that the choke hold was excessive use of force, then, absolutely, it's on them. When he's saying he can't breathe, the guy on his neck has already let go. If I had to guess, the weight of the guy on his back is what kept him from breathing and ultimately killed him.

I think it's more likely that he felt like he couldn't breathe because of the onset of the heart attack. His hand was rigid at that point with his fingers splayed as well.

The "choke hold" muddies the waters but I think this guy had a heart attack stemming from the general excitement of the situation. I personally didn't see anything excessive in that video - other than possibly the harassment that he claims he's been enduring from the police to begin with.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Did not read this story, but speaking from experience, at least in NC, you are allowed to take reasonable steps to resist arrest, if you believe the arrest is not valid.

In my case, police identified themselves, and stated they were placing me under arrest for trespassing. When the officer placed his hand on my shoulder, I jerked it away, which led to the inevitable body slam, knee in back, which makes being "right", not necessarily a good thing.

In addition to trespassing, resisting arrest charge tacked on. both charges dismissed by judge at trial - I was not trespassing at the time of the arrest since I lived in the apartment complex, where the police had been called to disperse a party, and judge said that the act of pulling away from Officer Best, was reasonable under the circumstances. ####ers.

You should just ask the officer if you can browwor his service revolver instead of jerking away. They love that.

 

[Politician Spock]

I like this one.

The cop was using his cell phone while speeding on a wet road, so a trucker honked at him. The cop pulled the trucker over and was going to write him a ticket for unlawful use of horn ... until he realized he was being videotaped. Then he got all contrite and started making excuses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-dJgFdfl3I

THIS ONE didn't go nearly as well as that one did.