Half the distance to the goal... (1 Viewer)

[JayMan]

I just want to throw a curveball... a thread squeezed between the "Who's the steal of the draft?" type of posts that we see nowadays... the infamous "half the distance to the goal" yardage on penalties...

We all know that a fragant foul will result in a 15 yard "loss" for the defensive team if it occurs everywhere on the field, except in the 30 yards range closest to it's endzone...

This has been incrusted forever, we all assume that it's correct... and I'm not looking to have stones throwned at me... I'm just wondering why a defensive team should be "less" penalized when there is "less field to cover"?...

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Let's look at the most flagrant possibility, a 15 yard penalty occuring on the 16 yard line...

Why would it automaticaly be a "half the distance to the goal": 8 yard penalty... when it could be a 15 yard penalty, at the 1YL?

Why not having it... up to the 1YL?

Same goes for a 10 yard penalty occuring at the 12... why not go to the 2YL instead of the 6YL ?...

A pass interference occuring in the endzone brings the ball (correctly, IMO) to the 1YL - even if the pass was coming from the 44YL... to be consistent, why not having it on the 22YL? "half distance to the goal"...

I'm not suggesting that's a good idea - I'm just saying that I don't think it's consistent... (I know, the foul occured in the endzone - but it's a "roughing the passer" occuring on the 16YL as much of a foul?)...

Thoughts?...

 

[NoCheese]

Maybe if the personal foul occurs inside the 15 yard line it should be an automatic TD.

That'll teach 'em

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I just want to throw a curveball... a thread squeezed between the "Who's the steal of the draft?" type of posts that we see nowadays... the infamous "half the distance to the goal" yardage on penalties...

We all know that a fragant foul will result in a 15 yard "loss" for the defensive team if it occurs everywhere on the field, except in the 30 yards range closest to it's endzone...

.....

Smells to me

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm just saying that I don't think it's consistent

Well it depends how you word it. If you say they give 15 yards most of the time, but HTDTTG when they're inside the 30, then no, it's not consistent.If you say the penalty is always the fewer of 15 yards or HTDTTG, then it is consistent.

 

[baronson]

then the same should be true on offense, and should a holding call on the 9 put your team at its own 1? seems silly to me.

half the distance makes the most sense. space is more precious closer to the goals, so half the distance is a commensurate penalty to a 15 yarder at midfield.

pass interference penalties are awarded on the assumption the receiver makes the catch. you can't exactly award a TD on a penalty, so they spot it at the one for first down. almost a gimme, and if you can't score from there... then you don't deserve 7...

 

[Wilk]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.

Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

 

[baronson]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

my only thought on this is the clock stoppage. otherwise, if not towards the end of a half, seems like sound strategy to me.

 

[a_rackowski]

I agree - and its a good point. Personal fouls less than 15 yards away - the ball should be spotted on the 1 and you get a new set of downs.

Just like PI in the endzone.

 

[isuvike]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

...other than the free play you give the offense if they manage to get the snap off.

 

[baronson]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

...other than the free play you give the offense if they manage to get the snap off.

uhhh... oh yea.

 

[kutta]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

...other than the free play you give the offense if they manage to get the snap off.

You keep giving the offense a "do over" on every play. That is not a good thing.

 

[kutta]

What bugs me is this situation:

The offense is on the four yard line. A false start would move the ball back to the two (HTDTTG). But an offsides by the defense would move the ball five yards. I think that the defensive penalties should also be HTDTTG but the other direction. The offense doesn't have nearly as much to lose as the defense on penalties in those situations. And of course, it should apply both ways.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

...other than the free play you give the offense if they manage to get the snap off.

You keep giving the offense a "do over" on every play. That is not a good thing.

Just make sure you touch an offensive lineman before the snap if you are early.

 

[jabarony]

A bit of a hi-jack, but I don't know why whenever there is a disputable offensive TD that the defensive teams don't always jump offsides and encroach on the extra point. I'd do it 2-3 times just to give the head coach and replay watchers a chance to decide if they want to challenge.

Any objections? Even if the ball was on the 1 yard line instead of the 3, I don't believe any coach would go for 2 just for that reason.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

the value of a yard (value meaning -- impact on percentage chance of winning the game) differs a lot depending on field position.

a 15 yard penalty on the 50 yard line is a big deal. A 15 yard penalty on the 16 yard line is a HUGE deal.

A facemask is equally heinous in both situations, so they try to equalize the value of the penalties to some extent.

Of course a sliding scale of some sort might be the best way to truly equalize the value of the penalties, but they don't want refs & fans whipping out the slide rule each time.

 

[redman]

I think that with each penalty, the offending team should surrender one shoe for a player in the game. If you sub into the game for that player, you have to also remove your shoes.

 

[BassNBrew]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

Seems like a good time to pancake the center and punch the QB in the nads. Worth the 1 inch penalty to inflict some discomfort. You could always activate a taxi squad player for this duty if you're worried about an ejection.

 

[JayMan]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

...other than the free play you give the offense if they manage to get the snap off.

You keep giving the offense a "do over" on every play. That is not a good thing.

Just make sure you touch an offensive lineman before the snap if you are early.

Bingo!... That's what we used to do (high school - nothing big - and I'm not saying it would work in the NFL either)... when the other team was on our 1YL, our DLs would try to "jump" the snap and if they "jumped" too early - they would just put the center on his back (making sure the Referee was seeing the "touch")... "half the distance" (i.e. 4 inches!) no "gain" of downs for the offense... and if the DL timed it perfectly - he would either be able to block the RB coming in / or be able to contain the QB dropping back...

 

[j3r3m3y]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

Seems like a good time to pancake the center and punch the QB in the nads. Worth the 1 inch penalty to inflict some discomfort. You could always activate a taxi squad player for this duty if you're worried about an ejection.

Thats called "Hockey"

 

[NoCheese]

I think that with each penalty, the offending team should surrender one shoe for a player in the game. If you sub into the game for that player, you have to also remove your shoes.

 

[J R]

QUOTE(BassNBrew @ Oct 10 2006, 07:27 PM) *QUOTE(Wilk @ Oct 10 2006, 05:51 PM) *Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.Seems like a good time to pancake the center and punch the QB in the nads. Worth the 1 inch penalty to inflict some discomfort. You could always activate a taxi squad player for this duty if you're worried about an ejection. stirsthepot3.gifThats called "Hockey"

lol. send in the Hanson brothers as the goal-line defensive line!

 

[The Ref]

A bit of a hi-jack, but I don't know why whenever there is a disputable offensive TD that the defensive teams don't always jump offsides and encroach on the extra point. I'd do it 2-3 times just to give the head coach and replay watchers a chance to decide if they want to challenge.Any objections? Even if the ball was on the 1 yard line instead of the 3, I don't believe any coach would go for 2 just for that reason.

Good idea, but this is considered a play. You can't challange after the penalty.

 

[redman]

A bit of a hi-jack, but I don't know why whenever there is a disputable offensive TD that the defensive teams don't always jump offsides and encroach on the extra point. I'd do it 2-3 times just to give the head coach and replay watchers a chance to decide if they want to challenge.Any objections? Even if the ball was on the 1 yard line instead of the 3, I don't believe any coach would go for 2 just for that reason.

Good idea, but this is considered a play. You can't challange after the penalty.

Ok, then just steal the ball and run around with it for awhile while the coaches make up their minds.

 

[SSOG]

Kind of along the same lines, I don't understand why defenses don't try and time every single snap when the ball is nearly touching the goalline. Who cares if you are offsides? The move the ball up an inch.Defenses should try and anticipate the count. You can be wrong twice and they move the ball an inch. If you are right once then you blow up a play, tackle them in the backfield, and all of a sudden they have to go 4 yards. You have nothing to lose by everyone trying to time the snap.

Seems like a good time to pancake the center and punch the QB in the nads. Worth the 1 inch penalty to inflict some discomfort. You could always activate a taxi squad player for this duty if you're worried about an ejection.

That used to be my favorite trick in Madden. Every time the other team scored a TD, I'd take control of my biggest, meanest DLineman, line up in the other team's backfield and just LEVEL the kicker before the snap on the PAT. I used to do it over and over again for 5-10 minutes at a time, operating under the assumption that eventually I'd manage to injure the kicker, but I never actually succeeded. Who knew that Mike Vanderjagt was a tougher SOB than Brett Favre?I wonder if they put in a rule that says you can't injure players on plays where you commit a penalty? Either that, or I just had horrendous luck. I never tried it against QBs- maybe they just made kickers impervious to injuries.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I just want to throw a curveball... a thread squeezed between the "Who's the steal of the draft?" type of posts that we see nowadays... the infamous "half the distance to the goal" yardage on penalties...

We all know that a fragant foul will result in a 15 yard "loss" for the defensive team if it occurs everywhere on the field, except in the 30 yards range closest to it's endzone...

This has been incrusted forever, we all assume that it's correct... and I'm not looking to have stones throwned at me... I'm just wondering why a defensive team should be "less" penalized when there is "less field to cover"?...

---

Let's look at the most flagrant possibility, a 15 yard penalty occuring on the 16 yard line...

Why would it automaticaly be a "half the distance to the goal": 8 yard penalty... when it could be a 15 yard penalty, at the 1YL?

Why not having it... up to the 1YL?

Same goes for a 10 yard penalty occuring at the 12... why not go to the 2YL instead of the 6YL ?...

A pass interference occuring in the endzone brings the ball (correctly, IMO) to the 1YL - even if the pass was coming from the 44YL... to be consistent, why not having it on the 22YL? "half distance to the goal"...

I'm not suggesting that's a good idea - I'm just saying that I don't think it's consistent... (I know, the foul occured in the endzone - but it's a "roughing the passer" occuring on the 16YL as much of a foul?)...

Thoughts?...