Has CJ ruined it for other RBs? (1 Viewer)

[mjr]

I read somewhere Forte is making something like $600,000 this year and expects a big contract to come his way soon (and he should make more). The Bears seem completely content on slapping the franchise tag on him, possibly for the next 2 years if they can get away with that (and obviously Forte isn't happy with it). In other words, the Bears brass seem to be hinting they aren't going to fold like Tennessee did, and I can see Forte sitting out most of 2012.

After S. Alexander and now CJ going from elite to virtually worthless after singing those big deals, are we going to see a lot of franchises second guess paying their stars? Will we see more of these long, drawn out, standoffs between teams and their star RBs? Will these big deals give way to much more performance-based contracts from here on out, and if so, how do these star RBs react to that?

 

[Banger]

the story isn't over but it hasn't been a good start...

 

[Steed]

Adrian Peterson is having his best season yet after getting paid.

 

[mjr]

Adrian Peterson is having his best season yet after getting paid.

True, but tha seems to be more of an exception these days. Look at DeAngelo Williams as another example.

 

[Banger]

Adrian Peterson is having his best season yet after getting paid.

True, but tha seems to be more of an exception these days. Look at DeAngelo Williams as another example.

ya and already they realize that Stewart is the better back.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This is an area where I think Mike Brown has been largely collect. Capable running backs are plentiful and can be had for a reasonable amount of $. Spending big $ on this position does not seem to be a move.

-QG

 

[vandyt]

Adrian Peterson is having his best season yet after getting paid.

True, but tha seems to be more of an exception these days. Look at DeAngelo Williams as another example.

And Frank Gore is another example of a player doing well after an extension...

 

[cvnpoka]

how much will a franchised rb cost next yr? and if you franchise him the 2nd yr? im guessing it runs similar to cj's salary.

 

[Ladsud]

how much will a franchised rb cost next yr? and if you franchise him the 2nd yr? im guessing it runs similar to cj's salary.

Tad under 7 million.Peterson: 10.7SJax: 7.2DMAC: 7Turner: 5Gore 4.9

 

[cvnpoka]

why isnt cj on that list?

 

[Ladsud]

I would guess his contract is heavy on the bonuses and low in base salary.

 

[jon_mx]

Unless a RB is a top pick, RB's get screwed. Once they do crack into the starting lineup, the teams usually use them for a couple years and then spit them out before they have to pay them the big salary. Running backs have such a short career, they are easily taken advantage of by teams. Forte should be making $$5 million this year. $600K for what he has done for the Bears is a crime.

 

[jim k]

I read somewhere Forte is making something like $600,000 this year and expects a big contract to come his way soon (and he should make more). The Bears seem completely content on slapping the franchise tag on him, possibly for the next 2 years if they can get away with that (and obviously Forte isn't happy with it). In other words, the Bears brass seem to be hinting they aren't going to fold like Tennessee did, and I can see Forte sitting out most of 2012. After S. Alexander and now CJ going from elite to virtually worthless after singing those big deals, are we going to see a lot of franchises second guess paying their stars? Will we see more of these long, drawn out, standoffs between teams and their star RBs? Will these big deals give way to much more performance-based contracts from here on out, and if so, how do these star RBs react to that?

First thing you need to understand is that now it is all about the signing bonus - the guaranteed up front signing bonus money.This is what Forte is most concerned about. He wants the 18 million up front signing bonus he will not get if he is franchised two years in a row.Shaun Alexander's contract was more of a lifetime achievement award, imo.The Chris Johnson deal shows how stupid the Tennessee organization is for not realizing Chris Johnson would not give effort when he got paid.What the Bears have going for them is recent precedence with the Lance Briggs deal. Briggs chirped and chirped about not getting paid.Briggs was franchised and the last franchise deal included the agreement that it was the last time he could be franchised.The last year the Bears owned Briggs rights, Briggs agent could not get any other team to send fair market draft picks.The Bears poneyed up more dough than any other team in a multi year contract including market value signing bonus.

 

[comfortably numb]

I read somewhere Forte is making something like $600,000 this year and expects a big contract to come his way soon (and he should make more). The Bears seem completely content on slapping the franchise tag on him, possibly for the next 2 years if they can get away with that (and obviously Forte isn't happy with it). In other words, the Bears brass seem to be hinting they aren't going to fold like Tennessee did, and I can see Forte sitting out most of 2012.

After S. Alexander and now CJ going from elite to virtually worthless after singing those big deals, are we going to see a lot of franchises second guess paying their stars? Will we see more of these long, drawn out, standoffs between teams and their star RBs? Will these big deals give way to much more performance-based contracts from here on out, and if so, how do these star RBs react to that?

First thing you need to understand is that now it is all about the signing bonus - the guaranteed up front signing bonus money.This is what Forte is most concerned about. He wants the 18 million up front signing bonus he will not get if he is franchised two years in a row.

Shaun Alexander's contract was more of a lifetime achievement award, imo.

The Chris Johnson deal shows how stupid the Tennessee organization is for not realizing Chris Johnson would not give effort when he got paid.

What the Bears have going for them is recent precedence with the Lance Briggs deal. Briggs chirped and chirped about not getting paid.

Briggs was franchised and the last franchise deal included the agreement that it was the last time he could be franchised.

The last year the Bears owned Briggs rights, Briggs agent could not get any other team to send fair market draft picks.

The Bears poneyed up more dough than any other team in a multi year contract including market value signing bonus.

How did you realize this, and how are you able to differentiate what players will and will not give an effort once getting paid?

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

I read somewhere Forte is making something like $600,000 this year and expects a big contract to come his way soon (and he should make more). The Bears seem completely content on slapping the franchise tag on him, possibly for the next 2 years if they can get away with that (and obviously Forte isn't happy with it). In other words, the Bears brass seem to be hinting they aren't going to fold like Tennessee did, and I can see Forte sitting out most of 2012.

After S. Alexander and now CJ going from elite to virtually worthless after singing those big deals, are we going to see a lot of franchises second guess paying their stars? Will we see more of these long, drawn out, standoffs between teams and their star RBs? Will these big deals give way to much more performance-based contracts from here on out, and if so, how do these star RBs react to that?

First thing you need to understand is that now it is all about the signing bonus - the guaranteed up front signing bonus money.This is what Forte is most concerned about. He wants the 18 million up front signing bonus he will not get if he is franchised two years in a row.

Shaun Alexander's contract was more of a lifetime achievement award, imo.

The Chris Johnson deal shows how stupid the Tennessee organization is for not realizing Chris Johnson would not give effort when he got paid.

What the Bears have going for them is recent precedence with the Lance Briggs deal. Briggs chirped and chirped about not getting paid.

Briggs was franchised and the last franchise deal included the agreement that it was the last time he could be franchised.

The last year the Bears owned Briggs rights, Briggs agent could not get any other team to send fair market draft picks.

The Bears poneyed up more dough than any other team in a multi year contract including market value signing bonus.

How did you realize this, and how are you able to differentiate what players will and will not give an effort once getting paid?

Just looking at the last years it appears the ones that hold out rather than practicing while negotiating. Didnt Gore and Peterson practice? I think Gore sat out a few, but started again before a deal was reached.

 

[jim k]

I read somewhere Forte is making something like $600,000 this year and expects a big contract to come his way soon (and he should make more). The Bears seem completely content on slapping the franchise tag on him, possibly for the next 2 years if they can get away with that (and obviously Forte isn't happy with it). In other words, the Bears brass seem to be hinting they aren't going to fold like Tennessee did, and I can see Forte sitting out most of 2012.

After S. Alexander and now CJ going from elite to virtually worthless after singing those big deals, are we going to see a lot of franchises second guess paying their stars? Will we see more of these long, drawn out, standoffs between teams and their star RBs? Will these big deals give way to much more performance-based contracts from here on out, and if so, how do these star RBs react to that?

First thing you need to understand is that now it is all about the signing bonus - the guaranteed up front signing bonus money.This is what Forte is most concerned about. He wants the 18 million up front signing bonus he will not get if he is franchised two years in a row.

Shaun Alexander's contract was more of a lifetime achievement award, imo.

The Chris Johnson deal shows how stupid the Tennessee organization is for not realizing Chris Johnson would not give effort when he got paid.

What the Bears have going for them is recent precedence with the Lance Briggs deal. Briggs chirped and chirped about not getting paid.

Briggs was franchised and the last franchise deal included the agreement that it was the last time he could be franchised.

The last year the Bears owned Briggs rights, Briggs agent could not get any other team to send fair market draft picks.

The Bears poneyed up more dough than any other team in a multi year contract including market value signing bonus.

How did you realize this, and how are you able to differentiate what players will and will not give an effort once getting paid?

I am not saying the Titans as an organization are stupid. I meant that the Titans look stupid in this specific decision regarding Chris Johnson. Giving him a huge signing bonus and new multi year deal and then not getting near what they are paying for is a stupid deal. It is my opinion and the opinion of others that Chris Johnson is not giving full effort this year.One would use the character and makeup of a person to determine if they would give up effort when they got a payday.

 

[Da Guru]

A one year franchise tag will set Forte for life..two years even more so. There in no way any NFL should invest what the Titans did or the Panthers did in RBs..and pretty sure they wont from here on in. Johnson and D-Will would be released right now if the teams could get out of those contracts.

RBs are low on the food chain for NFL pay.

 

[FavreCo]

Adrian Peterson is having his best season yet after getting paid.

True, but tha seems to be more of an exception these days. Look at DeAngelo Williams as another example.

ya and already they realize that Stewart is the better back.

Most definately. Stewart 4.6 ypc. Deangelo, 4.8 ypc. DeAngelo Williams is not being used. It's a whole different story. He can be excluded from this.

 

[cr8f]

Ask any number of other NFL players who think this means they have arrived and don't have to keep working.

Players like Fitz, Greg Jenings, Julius Peppers and many others never stop working.

 

[qimqam]

Yes he did but lets not let DWill of the hook ... he did the same on a smaller scale.

I wish the would happen throughout professional sports.

 

[Buckna]

I fully expect the Texans to open their wallets for Foster in the offseason, but they won't pay CJ2K money. Maybe DeAngelo type money.

 

[FavreCo]

Yes he did but lets not let DWill of the hook ... he did the same on a smaller scale.I wish the would happen throughout professional sports.

Not much you can do when you are standing on the sidelines averaging 4.8 ypc.