Hate kneel downs at the end of the game? (1 Viewer)

[rick6668]

Spinoff from another thread.

Some people have complained that they hate when the game ends with successive kneel downs by the offense to run the remaining time off the clock. Here's an option for a rule change which would eliminate this.

In the last 5 minutes of either half, when the offense runs a play which results in negative yardage, (the new line of scrimmage is behind the previous line of scrimmage), the clock is stopped and does not start again until the ball is snapped. This would eliminate the kneel downs at the end of games as the offense would have to get at least 1 yard to keep the clock running.

Thoughts?

 

[sho nuff]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

 

[dagwood]

Spinoff from another thread.Some people have complained that they hate when the game ends with successive kneel downs by the offense to run the remaining time off the clock. Here's an option for a rule change which would eliminate this.In the last 5 minutes of either half, when the offense runs a play which results in negative yardage, (the new line of scrimmage is behind the previous line of scrimmage), the clock is stopped and does not start again until the ball is snapped. This would eliminate the kneel downs at the end of games as the offense would have to get at least 1 yard to keep the clock running.Thoughts?

They do that in Arena football. Maybe that is your sport.Kneel downs are cool. They call it the "Victory Formation" for a reason.

 

[FUBAR]

Let's presume this is a legitimate issue (which I don't think it is).

5 minutes is entirely too long for this. 2 minute warning on, maybe.

Sacks would stop the clock? That would just help a team trying to come back at the end.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I like it but I also like kneel downs when the Pats are doing it, lol. On the flip side, I'd like to see field goals over 55 yards count as 4 points in the last 2 minutes. So a team that is down 4 can choose that option at the end. Maybe FG's over 60 could be 5 points. No more time outs right when the kicker is about to kick either, that's lame.

 

[Football Critic]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

 

[sho nuff]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

Cheap way to win?Its called having more points than the other team and they can't stop the freaking clock.Yes...lets risk injury to linemen and RBs because someone thinks its wimpy to take a knee.

 

[Football Critic]

Spinoff from another thread.Some people have complained that they hate when the game ends with successive kneel downs by the offense to run the remaining time off the clock. Here's an option for a rule change which would eliminate this.In the last 5 minutes of either half, when the offense runs a play which results in negative yardage, (the new line of scrimmage is behind the previous line of scrimmage), the clock is stopped and does not start again until the ball is snapped. This would eliminate the kneel downs at the end of games as the offense would have to get at least 1 yard to keep the clock running.Thoughts?

The rule is rediculous and will make no sense.Simple, If you surrender yourself behind the line of scrimmage at any part of the game, the clock stops. Keep it simple.

 

[ROBOPUNTER]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.

This is why they run off the rest of the clock with kneel downs. Have you ever seen a game end with 2 minutes remaining?

 

[Pipes]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

Cheap way to win?Its called having more points than the other team and they can't stop the freaking clock.Yes...lets risk injury to linemen and RBs because someone thinks its wimpy to take a knee.

If teams hate the kneel down so much score more points in the prior 58 minutes. Either that or don't waste your timeouts.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Part of the game is clock management and how you manage your timeouts. Kneel downs are perfectly legit and don't take anything away from the game. They actually add some strategy for the coaches.

 

[sho nuff]

Part of the game is clock management and how you manage your timeouts. Kneel downs are perfectly legit and don't take anything away from the game. They actually add some strategy for the coaches.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I would love to see this rule for the last 2 minutes of the game. It's disappointing to me when a really close game isn't even interesting for the last minute or 2. Although I realize this is a matter of personal preference, I'm all for rules that encourage competition throughout the game without compromising the spirit of the game. In the same vein, I hate it when fans and players complain about a team "running up the score." These guys prepare like crazy all week for a 60 minute game. Don't take any of that away from them.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

rules that change how a game is played at the end as opposed to the rest of the game are all terrible

 

[rick6668]

rules that change how a game is played at the end as opposed to the rest of the game are all terrible

What about the rule that if you fumble in the last 2 minutes, that it cannot be recoved by the offense except by the same player and it cannot be advanced? Bad rule?

 

[RBM]

WTF

Lets delete this thread. Makes the Shark Pool look ridiculous

 

[LittlePhatty]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.

Right.

 

[redBourne]

Spinoff from another thread.Some people have complained that they hate when the game ends with successive kneel downs by the offense to run the remaining time off the clock. Here's an option for a rule change which would eliminate this.In the last 5 minutes of either half, when the offense runs a play which results in negative yardage, (the new line of scrimmage is behind the previous line of scrimmage), the clock is stopped and does not start again until the ball is snapped. This would eliminate the kneel downs at the end of games as the offense would have to get at least 1 yard to keep the clock running.Thoughts?

Instead of conjuring an intellectual response to what I feel is a waste of time, I'm just going to say "no".

 

[Dr. No]

The kneel downs at the end of football games isn't even CLOSE to how annoying all the fouls are at the end of basketball games to properly execute strategy for the end game in that sport.

Don't like kneel downs? Flip the stupid channel when they goto victory formation.. or better yet - just watch Red Zone Channel where all the terrible parts of the games are eliminated.

 

[DoubleG]

The kneel downs at the end of football games isn't even CLOSE to how annoying all the fouls are at the end of basketball games to properly execute strategy for the end game in that sport.Don't like kneel downs? Flip the stupid channel when they goto victory formation.. or better yet - just watch Red Zone Channel where all the terrible parts of the games are eliminated.

In the NBA, all that silliness stretches the game out, when often, the game is already decided. Victory Formation in the NFL does the opposite.Lot's a good stuff in this thread - any change would be absolutley ridiculous. There is already a play clock to stop teams from taking too long. As has been said, use your timeouts wisely or score more points in the rest of the game. This is just silly.

 

[LittlePhatty]

football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down?

"man's game"Heh.Why stop the clock at all then? Whatever 11 guys you put on the field, they should be required to play both offense and defense until either someone scores or your team calls a substitution time out. And also, why the heck are they wearing so much padding?

 

[H.K.]

Fear Strikes Out

Hate Kneels Down

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The kneel downs at the end of football games isn't even CLOSE to how annoying all the fouls are at the end of basketball games to properly execute strategy for the end game in that sport.

At least the kneel downs keep the clock running.

 

[Road Dogg]

this is fishing right?

 

[beef]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

 

[DoubleG]

this is fishing right?

Maybe not the OP, but Football Critic

 

[qimqam]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

What is to like about it?If team A is leading by 2pts. 1st down with 2 minutes remaining and team B is out of timeouts the game is over. Why bother with the kneel downs.The last 2 minutes of a close game should be the most exciting 2 minutes of the game I can't imagine how anyone would rather watch 3 kneel downs vs. 3 plays againts a desperate defense and the chance for a turnover.

 

[killrobotkill]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

So I guess instead of kneel-downs, the winning team will just run halfhearted runs up the middle with their FB. Is that manly enough for you?

 

[VaTerp]

this is fishing right?

Has to be.Then again, I am never surprised by the inability of humans to use more than such a small percentage of our brain capacity.

 

[bro1ncos]

Kneel downs are part of the game.

On a side note: When teams go into the Victory formation and they put a player deep. This tends to be a WR or RB. Why wouldn't you put in a safety or CB? Someone with excellent speed and that has tackling skills too in case something like Miracle in the Meadowlands happens again.

Will having a potential poor tackler back there cost a team sometime?

 

[DoubleG]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

What is to like about it?

If team A is leading by 2pts. 1st down with 2 minutes remaining and team B is out of timeouts the game is over.

Why bother with the kneel downs.

The last 2 minutes of a close game should be the most exciting 2 minutes of the game

I can't imagine how anyone would rather watch 3 kneel downs vs. 3 plays againts a desperate defense and the chance for a turnover.

This, while sounding correct is actually part of the problem. Why would a team end up with no timeouts in the final two minutes of a close game?Answer: Because the "exciting/game deciding drive" already happened. The "desperate defensive plays" or "desperate offense trying to score" already failed - with 3 or 4 minutes left in the game, typically. Teams don't suddenly wake up and go "Oh, there's another two minutes?" The way they have played to that point already has determined whether they won or lost. When the team that is behind goes for it on 4th and 3 with 2:30 and 1 timeout left, it is that exciting play/drive that has decided the game - not the kneel downs. The kneel downs are simply a function of the fact that the outcome of the game has already been decided by the teams' play up to that point.

 

[qimqam]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

So I guess instead of kneel-downs, the winning team will just run halfhearted runs up the middle with their FB. Is that manly enough for you?

Hell yeah !! A half hearted run btween 2 350lb lineman and a charging middle linebacker = is a turnover and a whole new ballgame

 

[qimqam]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

What is to like about it?

If team A is leading by 2pts. 1st down with 2 minutes remaining and team B is out of timeouts the game is over.

Why bother with the kneel downs.

The last 2 minutes of a close game should be the most exciting 2 minutes of the game

I can't imagine how anyone would rather watch 3 kneel downs vs. 3 plays againts a desperate defense and the chance for a turnover.

This, while sounding correct is actually part of the problem. Why would a team end up with no timeouts in the final two minutes of a close game?Answer: Because the "exciting/game deciding drive" already happened. The "desperate defensive plays" or "desperate offense trying to score" already failed - with 3 or 4 minutes left in the game, typically. Teams don't suddenly wake up and go "Oh, there's another two minutes?" The way they have played to that point already has determined whether they won or lost. When the team that is behind goes for it on 4th and 3 with 2:30 and 1 timeout left, it is that exciting play/drive that has decided the game - not the kneel downs. The kneel downs are simply a function of the fact that the outcome of the game has already been decided by the teams' play up to that point.

Or, in order to have any chance of coming back they used their timeouts and rallied from 3 tds behind only to have the other team take a knee

 

[qimqam]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.Right.

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

 

[omahabrad]

ya then lets make a rule that every team has to run the no huddle offense the entire game

As Keyshaun would say "C'mon Man"

 

[DoubleG]

Why does anyone hate kneel downs other than losing yards from your FF QB?

Because the game is 60 minutes and shows a cheap way to win, its not a 58 minute game.football is suppose to be a mans game, but at the end they act like a little ***** and kneel down? Cmon play till the buzzer sounds.

So I guess instead of kneel-downs, the winning team will just run halfhearted runs up the middle with their FB. Is that manly enough for you?

Hell yeah !! A half hearted run btween 2 350lb lineman and a charging middle linebacker = is a turnover and a whole new ballgame

And that should always be the goal - let the other team win!!!!!

 

[DoubleG]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.Right.

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

You realize in baseball the pitcher is on defense, not offense right?No, if you want to use baseball, it's why the home team doesn't bat in the bottom of the 9th with the lead. They already are winning. HTH.

 

[Yenrub]

Miracle at the Meadowlands

 

[Couch Potato]

After the 2 minute warning, when the team that's ahead has the ball they should always be required to pass and must gain at least 10 yards on the play. If they fail to gain the 10 yards for any reason (sack, incompletion, gain of 9 or fewer yards), they must punt on the next play regardless what down it is. This will keep the game entertaining for fans to the very end and give the team that's behind a real chance to come back most of the time.

 

[Couch Potato]

Oh, and one more thing....

I wasn't being serious. Changing the rules is a stupid idea. The team that is in kneel down mode has earned it.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

Not at all really. There is no perfect analogy in baseball. No clock, plus you can't score while on defense. So I was just throwing crap out there.The pitcher is on defense, so refusing to pitch would equate to the defense in a football game somehow not allowing the offense to snap the ball.

 

[qimqam]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.

Right.

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

You realize in baseball the pitcher is on defense, not offense right?No, if you want to use baseball, it's why the home team doesn't bat in the bottom of the 9th with the lead. They already are winning. HTH.

Yes and you relalize that in football the defense can get turnovers and score points.You don't have to agree ... i'd much rather see the game played in full.

 

[belljr]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.

Right.

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

You realize in baseball the pitcher is on defense, not offense right?No, if you want to use baseball, it's why the home team doesn't bat in the bottom of the 9th with the lead. They already are winning. HTH.

Yes and you relalize that in football the defense can get turnovers and score points.You don't have to agree ... i'd much rather see the game played in full.

So are you ok with spiking the ball to stop the clock?

 

[basher]

yet another instance of people pushing their fantasy football demands on real football. What a waste of a thread.

 

[DoubleG]

Yeah, and in Baseball, if the visiting team is behind at the top of the 9th inning then the home team should be required to get 4 outs before the game is over. You know, just to make it more interesting and to give the losing team another chance.

Right.

Actually the analogy would be "the Picther takes a knee in the 9th with 2 outs and the base loaded" rather than taking a chance of letting up a big hit.

You realize in baseball the pitcher is on defense, not offense right?No, if you want to use baseball, it's why the home team doesn't bat in the bottom of the 9th with the lead. They already are winning. HTH.

Yes and you relalize that in football the defense can get turnovers and score points.You don't have to agree ... i'd much rather see the game played in full.

Saving your timeouts, clock management and stopping the opposing team from building a lead for the other 58 minutes is part of the game too.

 

[identikit]

Someone needs to run the clock out on this thread.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'd like to see it as a fantasy guy, but it's not needed.

 

[fatness]

Let's think of more ways to require the team that's ahead to allow the team that's behind to get back in the game.

 

[Pots]

This is a terrible thread and idea IMO.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

rules that change how a game is played at the end as opposed to the rest of the game are all terrible

What about the rule that if you fumble in the last 2 minutes, that it cannot be recoved by the offense except by the same player and it cannot be advanced? Bad rule?

yes - all rules should be the same in the first 5 - the middle 5 - and the last 5