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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

So Littlefinger killed Jon Arryn to gets the Starks to Kings Landing and to set himself up in the Eyrie is what we are to assume, right?

What was his plan though? If not for Bran seeing the lannisters and then Joffrey trying to have bran killed, plus Jon Arryn coincidentally getting close to solving the incest thing, none of this ever happens.

What was Varys thinking? He wanted Chaos in the realm so he could bring back the Targs. What did he do other than suppose Roberts crap ruling to make this happen prior to the war breaking out and destroying houses etc ?
Stannis is the one who orignally brings up the idea that the children aren't Roberts.

"I did not keep silent," Stannis declared. "I brought my suspicions to Jon Arryn."

He goes to Arryn about it. As to whether or not Stannis was tipped off about it...there's always this:

(Tyrion is speaking to Varys)

"He (Stannis) accuses my brother and sister of incest. I wonder how he came by that suspicion."

"Perhaps he read a book and looked at the color of a *******'s hair, as Ned Stark did, and Jon Arryn before him. Or, perhaps, someone whispered it in his ear." The eunuch's laugh was not his usual goggle, but deeper and more throaty.

"Someone like you, perchance?"

"Am I suspected? It was not me."

So, if you're to believe Varys....

The real shame for the Starks is Robert's comment about how Bran should be killed. If he doesn't make that, Joffery doesn't hire the assassin to kill Bran, Cat (who's already suspicious of the Lannisters because of the letter from Lysa implicating them in Arryn's death), doesn't take Tyrion hostage, Tywin doesn't call his bannerman and march and Ned doesn't get hurt in his fight with Jamie. You'd almost wonder if Cersei would have been so bold to kill Robert if Tywin wasn't marching for war. If Robert lived....so would have Ned.

 
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You almost have to think Littlefingers involved in the incest plot as in the letter to Cat, it claims the Lannisters killed him for unknown reasons. Ned goes to KL, asks around about what Arryn was doing....he gets pushed onto the incest angle.

 
Actor playing Bran confirmed for season 6 and mentioned something about having visions. A location has been confirmed that very likely could be the tower of joy. A casting call for a description that fits Arthur Dayne.

I think it is happening.

Any word on Sean Bean?

 
Actor playing Bran confirmed for season 6 and mentioned something about having visions. A location has been confirmed that very likely could be the tower of joy. A casting call for a description that fits Arthur Dayne.

I think it is happening.

Any word on Sean Bean?
What's happening? We need a thread for people who didn't read the books but want the book info.

 
Actor playing Bran confirmed for season 6 and mentioned something about having visions. A location has been confirmed that very likely could be the tower of joy. A casting call for a description that fits Arthur Dayne.

I think it is happening.

Any word on Sean Bean?
What's happening? We need a thread for people who didn't read the books but want the book info.
people think that next season is going to have a Tower of Joy flashback. It hasn't been mentioned in the show, but it's a very significant moment in the series. I'll copy/paste an excerpt in a second, but basically.....when Ned is being held in the dungeons in King's Landing he has a fever dream, recalling his trip to the Tower of Joy. this took place after Robert killed Rhaegar and Jaime killed the Mad King. Ned and his buddies travelled down to the Tower of Joy, where Rhaegar had stashed Lyanna (Ned's sister). The tower was protected by three members of the Kingsguard-- Gerold Hightower, Oswell Whent, and Arthur Dayne (most badass fighter in Westeros).

I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.

“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.

“When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”

“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”

“I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”

“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.

“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”

“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.

“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”

“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.

“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.

Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.

“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.

“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”
 
Actor playing Bran confirmed for season 6 and mentioned something about having visions. A location has been confirmed that very likely could be the tower of joy. A casting call for a description that fits Arthur Dayne.

I think it is happening.

Any word on Sean Bean?
What's happening? We need a thread for people who didn't read the books but want the book info.
There is one of those with some good discussion, but I can't find it with the current state of the search function.

 
anyway, the Tower of Joy has always been a mystery to readers. Ned and his crew were 7 men against 3, but those three dudes were legendary Kingsguard fighters-- Arthur Dayne the most legendary fighter with the most legendary sword Dawn. Only two people lived-- Ned and his friend Howland Reed (father of Jojen and Meera...the two kids who helped Bran get north of the Wall). Everyone wants to know how exactly Ned and Howland survived the battle.

Oh, and most people think the Kingsguard were there ( not at The Trident, or not guarding the King) to protect Lyanna and a certain newborn baby.

 
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anyway, the Tower of Joy has always been a mystery to readers. Ned and his crew were 7 men against 3, but those three dudes were legendary Kingsguard fighters-- Arthur Dayne the most legendary fighter with the most legendary sword Dawn. Only two people lived-- Ned and his friend Howland Reed (father of Jojen and Meera...the two kids who helped Bran get north of the Wall). Everyone wants to know how exactly Ned and Howland survived the battle.
And what happened afterwards and the promise made by Ned to a dying Lyanna in her bed of blood and room of roses. ...

 
Any of the Jon-is-super-definitely-dead truthers keeping up with the Kit Harington sightings? :coffee:

 
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Well, well, well...



Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss might as well give up all hope — like so many of their characters, there's a chance they're not going to escape the show alive. That much was made clear Thursday afternoon during the Television Critics Association's press tour, when HBO president Michael Lombardo revealed that he sees the show continuing past the long-rumored seventh-season endpoint. "Seven-seasons-and-out has never been the conversation,” he said. "The question is how much beyond seven are we going to do."
 
Ah, good old greed. I look forward to season 11 when we can really delve into Sam and Gilly's middle aged hijinks in oldtown and Margery Tyrell's valyrian silicon implants.

 
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I think we will get a few prequel seasons in perhaps ....

Also, Ian McShane has been cast for season 6 .... Knight of the Morning?
Ugh on an indefinite end. Always means that stuff drags on too long and then gets wrapped up too quickly when everyone realizes the end is near.

 
Let's talk about the house of the undying (book, not the show).

I think the visions she sees in the doors are pretty clear at this point, so let's talk about once she gets to the actual warlocks.

First she sees:

Viserys dying;

a tall lord with copper skin and silver hair bearing the banner of a fiery stallion;

a dying prince with rubies flying from his armor whispering the name of a woman with his last breath.

After she sees this they say "daughter of death" which I take to mean these 3 deaths are what created her: viserys, rhaego and rhaegar.

Then she sees:

a blue-eyed king with a red sword in his hand who casts no shadow;[6]

a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd;

a great stone beast flying from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire;

They then say "slayer of lies" which I take to mean she exposes 3 false kings of Westeros. The first image is stannis and the second aegon I think. But who is the great stone beast spewing shadow fire?

Finally, she sees:

her Silver horse given to her by Drogo at her wedding;

a corpse at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, smiling sadly;[7]

a blue flower growing from a ***** in a wall of ice;

Here the undying say "bride of fire" which I'm not sure of. Does this identify the 3 headed dragon? Her silver representing her and the blue flower from the wall of ice Jon snow (Lyanna's favorite flower that was in her chamber at the goose of joy, plus the wall). But who is on a ship with bright eyes and a dead face? Somebody with greyscale?

What's the meaning of what the undying said initially?

drink from the cup of ice drink from the cup of fire Mother of Dragons Child of Three

three heads has the dragon three fires must you light: one for life and one for death and one to love

three mounts must you ride: one to bed and one to dread and one to love

three treasons will you know: once for blood and once for gold and once for love

What's child of 3? The 3 deaths?

Not sure of the mounts or the treasons though.

Thoughts?

 
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This is the way I see the end of the series. The White Walkers rampage through the 7 kingdoms, wiping out most of the populace. Dany flies in with her dragons and her army and lays waste to the undead army. Sits upon the iron thrown ruling over a land of the dead.

 
Jon Snow wargs into Ghost and communes with Bran. He learns of his lineage and a great many other things, including how to defeat the white walkers. His body becomes a wight and fights along side them. At some point Dany, the dragons, and a third rider make it over to westeros well after the walker army had rampaged those who did not heed all the warning signs as they played their game of thrones. Snow eventually wargs into his own body, bran a dragon, and together with Dany and Rider #3 with Snow an undercover agent of sorts, defeats the walkers. Dany is left to rebuild the realm with rider #3. Bran is a tree. Jon Snow is dead dead or a wolf.

 
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Been reading my way through this series because the tv show is so good. I really enjoyed the first 3 books. But the 4th book...is incredibly dull. I'm really having trouble getting through it. Is it worth it to continue?

 
Then she sees:
a blue-eyed king with a red sword in his hand who casts no shadow;[6]
a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd;
a great stone beast flying from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire;

They then say "slayer of lies" which I take to mean she exposes 3 false kings of Westeros. The first image is stannis and the second aegon I think. But who is the great stone beast spewing shadow fire?
maybe Littlefinger? he's in charge of the Vale ("stone") and technically still the lord of Harrenhal I think ("smoking tower"). and because he makes all of his moves from the "shadows"?


 
Been reading my way through this series because the tv show is so good. I really enjoyed the first 3 books. But the 4th book...is incredibly dull. I'm really having trouble getting through it. Is it worth it to continue?
Yes.
To expand on that, the 4th and 5th book were originally a single book, but were split up in such a way that some (of the most popular) PoV characters don't get any chapters until book 5. This continues through about the first half of book 5, and then it's pretty obvious from there that the "split" is over and it's back on track for the series again (at least, that is how it seemed to me). Regardless, I enjoyed book 5 quite a bit more than 4, but likely because a lot of the PoV characters I liked were not in book 4 at all.

 
Been reading my way through this series because the tv show is so good. I really enjoyed the first 3 books. But the 4th book...is incredibly dull. I'm really having trouble getting through it. Is it worth it to continue?
Yes.
To expand on that, the 4th and 5th book were originally a single book, but were split up in such a way that some (of the most popular) PoV characters don't get any chapters until book 5. This continues through about the first half of book 5, and then it's pretty obvious from there that the "split" is over and it's back on track for the series again (at least, that is how it seemed to me). Regardless, I enjoyed book 5 quite a bit more than 4, but likely because a lot of the PoV characters I liked were not in book 4 at all.
Here is a recommended combined reading order for the two books that seems to be liked by a lot of readers.

http://boiledleather.com/post/25902554148/a-new-readerfriendly-combined-reading-order-for-a

I haven't tried it myself and am not sure how useful it is for first-time readers, but at least you wouldn't have to slog through 1,000 pages before catching up with certain characters.

 
Been reading my way through this series because the tv show is so good. I really enjoyed the first 3 books. But the 4th book...is incredibly dull. I'm really having trouble getting through it. Is it worth it to continue?
Yes.
To expand on that, the 4th and 5th book were originally a single book, but were split up in such a way that some (of the most popular) PoV characters don't get any chapters until book 5. This continues through about the first half of book 5, and then it's pretty obvious from there that the "split" is over and it's back on track for the series again (at least, that is how it seemed to me). Regardless, I enjoyed book 5 quite a bit more than 4, but likely because a lot of the PoV characters I liked were not in book 4 at all.
Here is a recommended combined reading order for the two books that seems to be liked by a lot of readers. http://boiledleather.com/post/25902554148/a-new-readerfriendly-combined-reading-order-for-a

I haven't tried it myself and am not sure how useful it is for first-time readers, but at least you wouldn't have to slog through 1,000 pages before catching up with certain characters.
#### I might try that.

 
Been reading my way through this series because the tv show is so good. I really enjoyed the first 3 books. But the 4th book...is incredibly dull. I'm really having trouble getting through it. Is it worth it to continue?
Yes.
To expand on that, the 4th and 5th book were originally a single book, but were split up in such a way that some (of the most popular) PoV characters don't get any chapters until book 5. This continues through about the first half of book 5, and then it's pretty obvious from there that the "split" is over and it's back on track for the series again (at least, that is how it seemed to me). Regardless, I enjoyed book 5 quite a bit more than 4, but likely because a lot of the PoV characters I liked were not in book 4 at all.
Here is a recommended combined reading order for the two books that seems to be liked by a lot of readers. http://boiledleather.com/post/25902554148/a-new-readerfriendly-combined-reading-order-for-a

I haven't tried it myself and am not sure how useful it is for first-time readers, but at least you wouldn't have to slog through 1,000 pages before catching up with certain characters.
#### I might try that.
Seems like a cool idea

 

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