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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)

some great dialogue throughout the show tonight.

updated rankings

Jeyne Westerling

Kaleesi

Ygritte

Cersei

Margery Tyrell
Shae?
Danymargery

Melissandre

Talisa

Roz

Shae

I dont recall seeing all of Cersei's goods or Ygritte's for that matter
Talisa = great backside :thumbup:
Did anyone else get the impression that Rob finished before they hit the floor? Too many laces and layers to get through, and when they did finally get the clothes off, it looked like he had an American Pie moment. :unsure:
LOLYeah, kind looked like she just smiled at him. kind of a eastbound and down moment. I think most of the stark boys are virgins.

 
I really want to see more of the Jaime/Brienne dynamic. I think this combo has a chance to surpass Tyrion/Bronn and Arya/Tywin in odd couple greatness.
I know Brienne is supposed to be a stiff character but the actress playing her is over the top stiff. Almost uncomfortably stiff, will give her a chance as the character develops. Hopefully she pulls it off.
IMO, she is playing the char extremely well as compared to the book. Always came across as very stiff and trying to always be proper, etc. Sometimes to the point of absurdity. And as far as "odd couples" go, their relationship definitely fits that billing. I thought the canoe was an odd choice of vessel - couldn't Jamie just flip it, and take off? Seems like Brienne would have a hard time swimming while wearing her armor, while Jamie just has to worry about his hands being tied. Although I didn't see if they were tied or chained - if still chained that would be a bit more difficult to take off once free. Guess I had envisioned a more stable boat when reading than what was portrayed in the show.
 
I really want to see more of the Jaime/Brienne dynamic. I think this combo has a chance to surpass Tyrion/Bronn and Arya/Tywin in odd couple greatness.
I know Brienne is supposed to be a stiff character but the actress playing her is over the top stiff. Almost uncomfortably stiff, will give her a chance as the character develops. Hopefully she pulls it off.
IMO, she is playing the char extremely well as compared to the book. Always came across as very stiff and trying to always be proper, etc. Sometimes to the point of absurdity. And as far as "odd couples" go, their relationship definitely fits that billing. I thought the canoe was an odd choice of vessel - couldn't Jamie just flip it, and take off? Seems like Brienne would have a hard time swimming while wearing her armor, while Jamie just has to worry about his hands being tied. Although I didn't see if they were tied or chained - if still chained that would be a bit more difficult to take off once free. Guess I had envisioned a more stable boat when reading than what was portrayed in the show.
Yup. Jaime asked her to unchain him so they could have a fair duel. I really like how he keeps calling her ugly. For some reason, it cracks me up.

 
I really want to see more of the Jaime/Brienne dynamic. I think this combo has a chance to surpass Tyrion/Bronn and Arya/Tywin in odd couple greatness.
I know Brienne is supposed to be a stiff character but the actress playing her is over the top stiff. Almost uncomfortably stiff, will give her a chance as the character develops. Hopefully she pulls it off.
IMO, she is playing the char extremely well as compared to the book. Always came across as very stiff and trying to always be proper, etc. Sometimes to the point of absurdity. And as far as "odd couples" go, their relationship definitely fits that billing. I thought the canoe was an odd choice of vessel - couldn't Jamie just flip it, and take off? Seems like Brienne would have a hard time swimming while wearing her armor, while Jamie just has to worry about his hands being tied. Although I didn't see if they were tied or chained - if still chained that would be a bit more difficult to take off once free. Guess I had envisioned a more stable boat when reading than what was portrayed in the show.
Yup. Jaime asked her to unchain him so they could have a fair duel. I really like how he keeps calling her ugly. For some reason, it cracks me up.
So I suppose it'd be pretty tough for him to fend for himself all chained up, although it didn't seem to bother him the first time he took off. Although if we are to believe what Lady Stark said, she is sending him back as a trade for her daughters, so maybe he is content to trust that Brienne will get him there without killing him first.
 
I actually have liked season 2 significantly more than season 1. From an entertainment perspective I don't think it's moved too slow at all (I didn't read the books, so I can't comment on how slow it's moved compared to how much material is left to fit in before the season's end).

I actually thought they've moved too fast in some parts. For instance it really irked me when we went from Theon plotting to attack that other village as a distraction to take Winterfell at the end of one episode straight to him having already occupied Winterfell at the start of the next episode. It wasn't like it was a big battle (he said he only had 20 men) so it shouldn't have been a budgetary issue to show it on screen. It's not that I need the action, just that something as big as taking control of Winterfell would have been much more impactful if we'd actually seen it happen onscreen.

Regardless, season 2 has had me hooked in a way that season 1 never did.

 
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I actually have liked season 2 significantly more than season 1. From an entertainment perspective I don't think it's moved too slow at all (I didn't read the books, so I can't comment on how slow it's moved compared to how much material is left to fit in before the season's end).I actually thought they've moved too fast in some parts. For instance it really irked me when we went from Theon plotting to attack that other village as a distraction to take Winterfell at the end of one episode straight to him having already occupied Winterfell at the start of the next episode. It wasn't like it was a big battle (he said he only had 20 men) so it shouldn't have been a budgetary issue to show it on screen. It's not that I need the action, just that something as big as taking control of Winterfell would have been much more impactful if we'd actually seen it happen onscreen.Regardless, season 2 has had me hooked in a way that season 1 never did.
Can someone refesh my memory on how Theon did it? Did he ride into Winterfell as a friend, and just take it from the inside? There might not have been a battle.
 
I actually have liked season 2 significantly more than season 1. From an entertainment perspective I don't think it's moved too slow at all (I didn't read the books, so I can't comment on how slow it's moved compared to how much material is left to fit in before the season's end).I actually thought they've moved too fast in some parts. For instance it really irked me when we went from Theon plotting to attack that other village as a distraction to take Winterfell at the end of one episode straight to him having already occupied Winterfell at the start of the next episode. It wasn't like it was a big battle (he said he only had 20 men) so it shouldn't have been a budgetary issue to show it on screen. It's not that I need the action, just that something as big as taking control of Winterfell would have been much more impactful if we'd actually seen it happen onscreen.Regardless, season 2 has had me hooked in a way that season 1 never did.
Can someone refesh my memory on how Theon did it? Did he ride into Winterfell as a friend, and just take it from the inside? There might not have been a battle.
It was virtually unguarded as all the men are with Robb really. Then with the attack at the other Northern city, the skeleton crew was even more bare. So Theon approached by night and climbed the walls with grappling hooks (a technique utilized based on some inside info I believe) and then took them all by surprise with little bloodshed.
 
I actually have liked season 2 significantly more than season 1. From an entertainment perspective I don't think it's moved too slow at all (I didn't read the books, so I can't comment on how slow it's moved compared to how much material is left to fit in before the season's end).I actually thought they've moved too fast in some parts. For instance it really irked me when we went from Theon plotting to attack that other village as a distraction to take Winterfell at the end of one episode straight to him having already occupied Winterfell at the start of the next episode. It wasn't like it was a big battle (he said he only had 20 men) so it shouldn't have been a budgetary issue to show it on screen. It's not that I need the action, just that something as big as taking control of Winterfell would have been much more impactful if we'd actually seen it happen onscreen.Regardless, season 2 has had me hooked in a way that season 1 never did.
I'm also enjoying season 2 more. Arya was good in season one but has become magnificent in season two. Tywin has been fantastic. Tyrion has been more involved and better than he was in season one. The glimpses into the different regions has made each episode more diverse without feeling cluttered.Season one revolved mostly around Ned, who I liked well enough, but whose hyper-honorable, humorless demeanor got a little tiring after a while. The only aspect of the show that has backslid is Dany's storyline and performance. All she does is become outraged when anyone doesn't acknowledge how extraordinary she is. Even when characters do acknowledge how extraordinary she is she pouts and whines. Jorah used to be a pretty cool character. Now he's a ##### whose only purpose is to try and calm Dany down when she starts ranting.
 
I actually have liked season 2 significantly more than season 1. From an entertainment perspective I don't think it's moved too slow at all (I didn't read the books, so I can't comment on how slow it's moved compared to how much material is left to fit in before the season's end).I actually thought they've moved too fast in some parts. For instance it really irked me when we went from Theon plotting to attack that other village as a distraction to take Winterfell at the end of one episode straight to him having already occupied Winterfell at the start of the next episode. It wasn't like it was a big battle (he said he only had 20 men) so it shouldn't have been a budgetary issue to show it on screen. It's not that I need the action, just that something as big as taking control of Winterfell would have been much more impactful if we'd actually seen it happen onscreen.Regardless, season 2 has had me hooked in a way that season 1 never did.
I'm also enjoying season 2 more. Arya was good in season one but has become magnificent in season two. Tywin has been fantastic. Tyrion has been more involved and better than he was in season one. The glimpses into the different regions has made each episode more diverse without feeling cluttered.Season one revolved mostly around Ned, who I liked well enough, but whose hyper-honorable, humorless demeanor got a little tiring after a while. The only aspect of the show that has backslid is Dany's storyline and performance. All she does is become outraged when anyone doesn't acknowledge how extraordinary she is. Even when characters do acknowledge how extraordinary she is she pouts and whines. Jorah used to be a pretty cool character. Now he's a ##### whose only purpose is to try and calm Dany down when she starts ranting.
I agree on Dany. I haven't read the books, but am imaging once her 3 dragons are able to back her up she becomes a real spitfire.
 
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I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Agreed. Valar moghalis.
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Agreed. Valar moghalis.Valar Morghulis is the name of the final episode of this season, so we still might get some of that
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
I agree. I was actually holding onto hope that they would address this somehow next week
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Yeah, I was unpleasantly surprised by that too. I'm still hoping the stuff you're talking about is factored in differently somehow.
There's no way she doesn't see Jaqen at least once more - the coin is a huge deal.
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Those second two were huge, imo. Bummed about those
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Those second two were huge, imo. Bummed about thosecheck the title of the season finale and I think your concerns will be gone.
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Those second two were huge, imo. Bummed about those
check the title of the season finale and I think your concerns will be gone. :thumbup:
 
I can't help but be disappointed with the changes they've made. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but Arya's stay at Harenhal was one of my favorite story arcs of the series.

The freeing of the prisoners and the uprising. Jaqen giving her the coin then transmoring. Her killing the guard during the escape.
Those second two were huge, imo. Bummed about those
check the title of the season finale and I think your concerns will be gone.
:thumbup: Good call! Now I'm wondering how they'll pull it off
 
'Kraft... said:
'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
'Sabertooth said:
'Barry said:
some great dialogue throughout the show tonight.

updated rankings

Jeyne Westerling

Kaleesi

Ygritte

Cersei

Margery Tyrell
Shae?
Danymargery

Melissandre

Talisa

Roz

Shae

I dont recall seeing all of Cersei's goods or Ygritte's for that matter
Talisa = great backside :thumbup:
This was probably covered somewhere in here. The actress playing Talisa is Charlie Chaplins granddaughter.
 
So are Bran and Rickon's wolves gone now too? Where are they all going? Will Robb's stick around?

It seems like every faction has a supernatural force aiding them except the Lannisters. That doesn't bold well for them in the long run. Dany has her dragons, Stannis has the Red Priestess, the Starks have some weird psychic connection with direworlves. The Quarth people have the magic alien looking guy. I guess the Greyjoys don't have any other worldy powers either, unless you count their famed skill at archery and love-making.

 
'Marvin said:
'Mjolnirs said:
I really enjoyed Tyrion and Bronn struggling over the pronunciation of that author's name and the reaction when Varys said it a different way. Subtle and funny.
Yeah I could watch an entire series with just those two. Throw in the nutless ghost too for kicks. Just make an entire series about those 3 guys running the kingdom. Have a bumbling king for comic relief. It would be like Excalibur meets Spin City.
Episode 4 - Tyrion and Bronn go to a who&e house.
 
What's the Storms End story? I see it's south of Kings Landing on another bay. Stannis held off some Targaryan men until Davos rescued him, while Robert fought in KL?

 
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What's the Storms End story? I see it's south of Kings Landing on another bay. Stannis held off some Targaryan men until Davos rescued him, while Robert fought in KL?
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Robert's_Rebellion
Thx...so Davos saved Stannis with the onions, then Ned freed him from the city he was trapped in.Then Robert gives Storms End to Renly, and Stannis moves to Dragonstone?
I think that's pretty much it. Robert was so ill fitted to be a king. And he knew it. He was a great conqueror, but chafed under the yoke of kingship.
 
Imm not sure Robert meant to insult Stannis though. Dragonstone was the seat of house Targaryan, so i slways thought robert was honoring him. He just didnt know his brother well and didnt think how dragonstone had no lands and how storm's end as their familial seat meant more to stannis.

 
Imm not sure Robert meant to insult Stannis though. Dragonstone was the seat of house Targaryan, so i slways thought robert was honoring him. He just didnt know his brother well and didnt think how dragonstone had no lands and how storm's end as their familial seat meant more to stannis.
Exactly, Stannis felt it was his right, which it was. Much as the Iron Throne is his by rights now, but he's being denied it.
 
I always kinda wish that GRRM would go back and write novels about Robert Rebellion. But he will struggle to finish the song of ice and fire before his demise.

 
I always kinda wish that GRRM would go back and write novels about Robert Rebellion. But he will struggle to finish the song of ice and fire before his demise.
Agreed. Reading through the "backstory" for GoT on the website was every bit as epic as the actual modern story itself.
 
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Imm not sure Robert meant to insult Stannis though. Dragonstone was the seat of house Targaryan, so i slways thought robert was honoring him. He just didnt know his brother well and didnt think how dragonstone had no lands and how storm's end as their familial seat meant more to stannis.
not a spoiler but a direct quote to be safe -
“And Stannis has always felt he was cheated of Storm’s End,” Cersei said thoughtfully. “The ancestral seat of House Baratheon, his by rights . . . if you knew how many times he came to Robert singing that same dull song in that gloomy aggrieved tone he has. When Robert gave the place to Renly, Stannis clenched his jaw so tight I thought his teeth would shatter.”“He took it as a slight.”“It was meant as a slight,” Cersei said.“Shall we raise a cup to brotherly love?”“Yes,” she answered, breathless. “Oh, gods, yes.”
 
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?

 
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Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
 
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did and still really enjoyed the book. I just started book 2 so Im doing the same thing. From now on I'll probably read the books first though since I just got the set.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
 
Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
It's almost the opposite of LOTR. Martin is pretty gritty and direct. No pages of description of the landscape and flora. No lengthy songs/poems. He does throw in some anachronisms and his own idioms, but it's straightforward text and dialog for the most part. His thing is a constant stream of unpredictable plot twists. This is not to say there aren't any slow parts - parts of books 4 and 5 drag a bit. Sometimes he overindulges in his food/meal descriptions, but not too much.ETA: The Lord Of The Rings is my favorite literary work of all time, just to put the comments above in perspective.
 
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Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
It's almost the opposite of LOTR. Martin is pretty gritty and direct. No pages of description of the landscape and flora. No lengthy songs/poems. He does throw in some anachronisms and his own idioms, but it's straightforward text for the most part. His thing is a constant stream of unpredictable plot twists.
Heard this about the series and that's a big reason why I'm so interested in reading it, too. I barely survived LOTR after a few attempts and I felt like I just had a root canal when I got done with Return of the King.Looking forward to this series occupying the next few months of my life. :thumbup:
 
Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
It's almost the opposite of LOTR. Martin is pretty gritty and direct. No pages of description of the landscape and flora. No lengthy songs/poems. He does throw in some anachronisms and his own idioms, but it's straightforward text and dialog for the most part. His thing is a constant stream of unpredictable plot twists. This is not to say there aren't any slow parts - parts of books 4 and 5 drag a bit.
Thanks, I may be able to get through them ok then :bag:
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
I think there are 2 things that make the books "difficult" to read.1) The POV aspect of each chapter. I really like this and think its great. But more and more I find myself wondering what that particular character was doing when I last read a chapter of theirs.2) The amount of characters. Its just so much to keep track of that I had to take a break after book 3 because the beginning of book 4 is even more characters being added. Reading on a kindle is a little tougher too, because its not easy to flip to the map or the glossary to check out the characters and how their families are related.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
I read the entire series after watching season one, and, I'm with the consensus: It's totally worth it.To your question: GRRM is quite descriptive in his writing. Food and clothing, especially. That said, the only difficulty in reading these books is the pure length of each volume. Each are about 1,000 pages long. So if you have the time (I have three kids so I had to make the time), the story will pull you in to the point you can't wait to read the next chapter.As an anecdote, I bought the series for a friend who told me he could count the number of novels he's read in his lifetime on one hand. He ripped through the books in a couple of months and was thrilled that he did.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
Dude loves to describe in excruciating detail food and clothing. If you can get by that and realize that you don't need to remember about 90% of the names thrown around in the books you'll be fine.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
I haven't read LOTR, but this series is very wordy. Lots of detail to paint a vivid picture but I often wish GRRM would just get to the point.
 
'Gr00vus said:
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
I did (saw season 1 before reading). Definitely worth it. Season 1 of the show was great, but I find the books to be even better. Season 2 of the show has been a bit of a let down so far, I find the book appreciably better in this case.
I honestly don't read. Have tried many times and only enjoyed a few books.I mean this with all due respect to any one that enjoys reading and this genre BUT...Are the books written like LOTR? Is it very, flowery and wordy? I'm loving the series but was curious if the books are a "difficult" read?
I haven't read LOTR, but this series is very wordy. Lots of detail to paint a vivid picture but I often wish GRRM would just get to the point.
Watched season 1, then read the books (up to mid third). It has worked well for me so far and the books are far easier to read than LOTR. LOTR were way to wordy for me. GOT is wordy but the words mean something.
 
'Brady Marino said:
Has anyone here watched Game of Thrones first, and THEN started reading the books? Is it worth it if you've seen the show?
After season one ended I had to get the books. There was something in the pit of my stomach after it ended and seeing "April 2012" that made me get them. FWIW I'm not a big reader and I LOVE the books and read them any chance I get.
 

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