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No but I am very interested to see if a half-charred but still living Davos is going wash up on the shores of King's Landing.
Them (Stannis) losing this battle is as close to backlash as you'll see. They took Renly out of the game that early for 2 reasons, 1) his army was the largest in the field to that point 2) The red witch had a vision of Stannis losing at Blackwater due to interference by Renly. The last scenes last night showed that the charge of Tywin's group was led by Loras Tyrell cloaked and hooded in Renly's armor, which was only revealed after he strode into the throne room (It was Garlan Tyrell in the book)... it turns out the prediction ended up being a self-fulfilling prophesy. By killing renly, it only set the stage for the Tyrells to defect and turn Stannis away from king's landing.
As I said before, the "them" I was referring to was Cat and Kings Guard lady. My question was answered by Renly's men no longer giving a crap when they jumped to Stannis's side.
prophesies are tricksy things in this universe.
It seemed pretty obvious to me. The kings guard armor is very distinctive, although for a second I thought Loras was the Lannister cousin who was shtupping Cersei.
I got that it was one of Joffrey's guys that sliced Tyrion. basically his second right hand man after the Hound. I realized it because that guy has always had that funky helmet with the 3 crescents.I didn't notice it was Loras until they came into the throne room, then I said "wait, but...what? that's Loras!" but I didn't notice the armor thing...there was way too much going on in my head to notice something like that.
That's how I felt. To was too damn dark to tell soldiers apart other than seeing which direction they were attacking from.
I actually missed that that was Loras completely.
Damn, this thing got going in 2007. I might not live to see the end of it.
On that I agree. I couldn't tell one generic soldier from another. However the kings guard and the antler armor were very distinctive to me. Although I did not initially remember that the antler armor was Renly's.
That's cause it was written by GRRM
Kings guard was pretty obvious, I did not notice the Renly armor.
As a non book reader I picked up on both... sort of. I thought it was kings guard but they made the point to make him look so huge I actualy thought it might have been the mountan. And as for Loras I noticed instantly that he was in the throne room but thought he was captured in the fight. i forgot that the Tyrells hit the road and didnt join Stanus.I love the show, but I do have a problem even though it has still been coverd. So in season 2 we got the Pike Story, we got the Quarth story and you got the whole Hannerhall story. Ok fine. But the #1 story of the season is Rob vs Tywin vs Stanus, yes lots of moving parts but thats the main story. So I'm suposed to belive that in a world where Veras knows "what you ate three days ago" that the #1 Family in all the land as far as riches goes can't all get on the same page. In other words how is it that Tywin isn't much more powerfull and have a much greater handle on whats going on. I'm sure this whole angle is going to come out in this last episode but Tywin should bitc& slap Joffery and his mother and basicaly take the crown foir himself.
Because the kingdoms are vast and the primary means of communication are birds
I get that. But the show make it seem like everyone has cell phones except the Lansiters. Veras and Littlefinger seem to hear things in close to real time and all the other familys send ravens with quick results. In the mean time Tywin and the Kings Landing part of the family havent comunicated in Months. It just seems VERY inconsistant. Case in point, how did veras hear about whats going on in Quarth so fast? Just saying... it seems inconsistant. It may have to do with book to TV as well I guess.
Did Varys really know anything about Qarth that quickly? I forget but didn't he just know that Daenerys was there and she had dragons? She's been there for quite a while now so I don't see that as being terribly speedy.
He is probably more powerful then the king. Tywin was the hand to Aerys II Targaryen and isn't he the hand to Joffrey? He sent Tyiron to be in his place while he went to fight Robb Stark.
I pointed out the battle scenes were kind of cheesy (except the wildfire) but I wasn't disappointed with them, I was actually happy that they didn't blow their production budget on unnecessary CGI.Cersei was going to kill her son painlessly with poison because she thought King's Landing would fall to Stannis and he would kill all the Lanisters, including the children, by burning them alive.
The wildfire scene was awesome.I'm always curious how much CGI costs really can be. It seems like if you already have a CGI team doing lots of work anyways it would pale in comparison to actor/set/production costs.. But that's probably just a misinformed opinion.Thanks for clearing up the ending Cersei scene. I wasn't sure if there was something more sinister behind her actions there that perhaps I missed. The scene where she obtained the poison from the old guy made it seem kind of shady.
When the Baratheons deposed the Targaryans and sacked King's Landing, Sandor Clegane (the "Mountain") infamously killed the baby Aegon Targaryan by smashing his skull against a rock before raping and killing his mother, Elia Targaryen, then the wife of Prince Rhaegar. The Lannisters were a big part of that, and I think that's the reason Cercei was drinking heavily and preparing for the worst.
Gregor Clegane is the Mountain.
Varys knowing stuff at seemingly impossible speed is his thing. That's his "super" power, and he's spent years cultivating it and his contacts. Though he's also an information maven with tons of resources, Littlefinger doesn't even have that extensive of a network outside of Westeros. It's unfair to compare other people's information sources to Varys.Tywin (in the book) was a pretty in the know guy, not much goes on in Westeros that he doesn't hear about in a relatively timely manner. They've played that down a bit in the show. Also, at this point in the story, the areas between King's Landing and the central/western parts of Westeros, called "The Riverlands" in the book (where Robb is and Tywin was until recently) are in complete chaos and are being desolated by marauders of all stripes - some sponsored by great houses, others just cast off soldiers at arms from dead/deposed lords. It's tough to get communications through that zone right now regardless of who you are. They just haven't had time to depict/cover that as extensively as it was in the books.
That is a great plot point that the show botched. They never touched on the vision Melisandre had and a poor job of making it clear that Loras was riding in with Renlys armor. The show just needed more development of Stannis and Renly's camps. That and the whole burning the orphans were major missteps IMO. The second season has been good, but not nearly as strong as season 1.
I don't think we were supposed to notice. The director probably just happened to grab whatever armor was laying around and told the actors to throw it on for such a small scene. I wouldn't give it another thought.
The Kingsguard armor is pretty distinct from the Lannister and the Stanis mens armor. So, that was pretty apparent. With Loras, I was looking at him asking myself 'who is that?' and I totally did not realize it was Loras. So, I also completely missed what armor he was wearing.
I noticed the antlers and the King's guard, but I am a book reader and I knew both of those were fairly significant portions of this battle.
Sansa's the biggest idiot in the history of literature, and now, television.mehAll of the accounts re: "Renly's ghost" leading the assault were second hand. None of the main characters actually saw it. While it wasn't telegraphed to the viewer during the actual battle scene, the net result is the same. You learn what happened after the fact in both cases. (if you were really really going nuts on details, you'd notice it wasn't a Lannister (no Crimson Red). That alone would be enough intrigue to satisfy until they fully revealed who it was).
You might want to calibrate your sarcasm meter. My post was laced with it.
Maybe, but here is a guy famous for being a psychopath asking her to come with him alone one a couple hundred mile journey. What could possibly go wrong, right?Sansa's the biggest idiot in the history of literature, and now, television.mehAll of the accounts re: "Renly's ghost" leading the assault were second hand. None of the main characters actually saw it. While it wasn't telegraphed to the viewer during the actual battle scene, the net result is the same. You learn what happened after the fact in both cases. (if you were really really going nuts on details, you'd notice it wasn't a Lannister (no Crimson Red). That alone would be enough intrigue to satisfy until they fully revealed who it was).
She's already proven herself smarter than both her parents, and may end up being the smartest Stark of all of them.'thecatch said:Sansa's the biggest idiot in the history of literature, and now, television.'JerseyToughGuys said:mehAll of the accounts re: "Renly's ghost" leading the assault were second hand. None of the main characters actually saw it. While it wasn't telegraphed to the viewer during the actual battle scene, the net result is the same. You learn what happened after the fact in both cases. (if you were really really going nuts on details, you'd notice it wasn't a Lannister (no Crimson Red). That alone would be enough intrigue to satisfy until they fully revealed who it was).
She's a pawn, but at least she's still alive to play the game.She's already proven herself smarter than both her parents, and may end up being the smartest Stark of all of them.'thecatch said:Sansa's the biggest idiot in the history of literature, and now, television.'JerseyToughGuys said:mehAll of the accounts re: "Renly's ghost" leading the assault were second hand. None of the main characters actually saw it. While it wasn't telegraphed to the viewer during the actual battle scene, the net result is the same. You learn what happened after the fact in both cases. (if you were really really going nuts on details, you'd notice it wasn't a Lannister (no Crimson Red). That alone would be enough intrigue to satisfy until they fully revealed who it was).
They already know the ending. Martin told the producers, in case he dies before finishing the books.
Actually, I thought that scene made it kind of obvious that he was giving her a way out if they lost.'UniAlias said:
I think Arya's already taken that crown, followed by perhaps Robb. I thought Sansa bloomed a bit in this past episode, but not getting the heck out of dodge with one of Westros' most dominant (and intimidating) warriors was epic dumb.She's already proven herself smarter than both her parents, and may end up being the smartest Stark of all of them.'thecatch said:Sansa's the biggest idiot in the history of literature, and now, television.'JerseyToughGuys said:meh
All of the accounts re: "Renly's ghost" leading the assault were second hand. None of the main characters actually saw it.
While it wasn't telegraphed to the viewer during the actual battle scene, the net result is the same. You learn what happened after the fact in both cases.
(if you were really really going nuts on details, you'd notice it wasn't a Lannister (no Crimson Red). That alone would be enough intrigue to satisfy until they fully revealed who it was).
I have a bigger problem with The Hound offering to free Sansa and her turning it down. Bigger implications imo.
