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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)

Most of the Brienne chapters in 4 were pretty boring and seemingly pointless. Those really made the book drag for me.
I liked book 5.

Though I think he should have introduced the whole Connington/Young Griff plot and the Golden Company much sooner. Maybe they'll do that in the show - that way Sophia Vergara will be a bit closer to her prime when she's playing Septa Lemore.
 
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Martin has about 4.5 years to pound out 2-3 books to finish it all up. I could see there bring a 1-2 year hiatus before the seventh (and hopefully final) book comes out.Next season is still book 3. Crows and Dragons is at least 2, if not 3 seasons. They can take their time, perhaps on purpose for Martin, to get into newer characters etc. there's plenty of material.
I just don't see it happening that fast for him. Hopefully I am wrong though. It will be interesting to see if the show stays as popular as it is now and if HBO will remain committed to it if its popularity wanes a little bit as the years go on. It has to be very expensive to produce. I can't imagine they want this to be a ten-season deal.

 
Martin has about 4.5 years to pound out 2-3 books to finish it all up. I could see there bring a 1-2 year hiatus before the seventh (and hopefully final) book comes out.Next season is still book 3. Crows and Dragons is at least 2, if not 3 seasons. They can take their time, perhaps on purpose for Martin, to get into newer characters etc. there's plenty of material.
I just don't see it happening that fast for him. Hopefully I am wrong though. It will be interesting to see if the show stays as popular as it is now and if HBO will remain committed to it if its popularity wanes a little bit as the years go on. It has to be very expensive to produce. I can't imagine they want this to be a ten-season deal.
They're making a ton of money on this show. They will drag as long as they can.
 
Martin has about 4.5 years to pound out 2-3 books to finish it all up. I could see there bring a 1-2 year hiatus before the seventh (and hopefully final) book comes out.Next season is still book 3. Crows and Dragons is at least 2, if not 3 seasons. They can take their time, perhaps on purpose for Martin, to get into newer characters etc. there's plenty of material.
As long as they maintain the quality, I'm in favor of HBO taking their time. But the 9 month wait between seasons is painful; almost as bad as waiting for the books.

 
Martin has about 4.5 years to pound out 2-3 books to finish it all up. I could see there bring a 1-2 year hiatus before the seventh (and hopefully final) book comes out.Next season is still book 3. Crows and Dragons is at least 2, if not 3 seasons. They can take their time, perhaps on purpose for Martin, to get into newer characters etc. there's plenty of material.
I just don't see it happening that fast for him. Hopefully I am wrong though. It will be interesting to see if the show stays as popular as it is now and if HBO will remain committed to it if its popularity wanes a little bit as the years go on. It has to be very expensive to produce. I can't imagine they want this to be a ten-season deal.
I just read somewhere that he thinks he'll need another two books, on top of the already 2 more already planned, to tie everything together.

 
Martin has about 4.5 years to pound out 2-3 books to finish it all up. I could see there bring a 1-2 year hiatus before the seventh (and hopefully final) book comes out.Next season is still book 3. Crows and Dragons is at least 2, if not 3 seasons. They can take their time, perhaps on purpose for Martin, to get into newer characters etc. there's plenty of material.
I just don't see it happening that fast for him. Hopefully I am wrong though. It will be interesting to see if the show stays as popular as it is now and if HBO will remain committed to it if its popularity wanes a little bit as the years go on. It has to be very expensive to produce. I can't imagine they want this to be a ten-season deal.
I just read somewhere that he thinks he'll need another two books, on top of the already 2 more already planned, to tie everything together.
That wouldn't surprise me given the depth of the story.
 
Why do you think Arya is important to the storyline? I think its just some wierd tangent that Martin got on and cannot seem to end it. He has stated numerous times that he put way too many "balls in the air" and doesnt know how to wrap up certain storylines. I am assuming Arya is one because she has no interaction or advancement to the other characters or main plot.
Seems like the free cities are more the arena of action than Westeros in DOD. I think she will return to reclaim the throne of House Stark rather than Bran or Rickon. I see her in a Bloddy Mary type role, most likely taking up cause with Danaerys once she finally gets off her ### and returns to Westeros to claim her throne.
I can see this. They make a bunch of references to Nymeria in Arya's storyline - wasn't she a joan of arc style female conqueror or something in the GOT universe? I'm sure there will be some parallels developed there.
Read a Martin interview years back where he stated Arya was one of his favorites to write. She will have some large role. Personally Arya, Bran, and Jamie are my 3 fav storylines.

 
Anyone still watch this with close-captioning? I started last year and haven't stopped.
I do.
Why, the names?
That and the accents.
The accents is a good point. On some shows, this being one of them, I find CC helps me follow because the dialog can vary in pace and volume. Plus, I probably need a hearing test.
Yea my hearing probably isn't great either. And i haven't read the books....so I don't want to miss any details...no matter how small.
 
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
 
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.

The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
 
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.

The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.


Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
 
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.


Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK

he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
 
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Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK

he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
Thanks...They really have not added much of the Greyjoy storyline except for Theon. after last season, i just couldn't remember how much was in ASOS

 
Stoneys said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
Stoneys said:
EYLive said:
3 out of 5 said:
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK

he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
Thanks...They really have not added much of the Greyjoy storyline except for Theon. after last season, i just couldn't remember how much was in ASOS

Yes, he dies in ASOS. A Faceless man kills him and it is made to look like he fell off of one of the rope bridges during a storm.
 
Stoneys said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
Stoneys said:
EYLive said:
3 out of 5 said:
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK
he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
Thanks...They really have not added much of the Greyjoy storyline except for Theon. after last season, i just couldn't remember how much was in ASOS

Yes, he dies in ASOS. A Faceless man kills him and it is made to look like he fell off of one of the rope bridges during a storm.
Faceless Man or Melisandre's magic? I thought she arranged it with her dark magic ######
 
Stoneys said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
Stoneys said:
EYLive said:
3 out of 5 said:
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK
he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
Thanks...They really have not added much of the Greyjoy storyline except for Theon. after last season, i just couldn't remember how much was in ASOS

Yes, he dies in ASOS. A Faceless man kills him and it is made to look like he fell off of one of the rope bridges during a storm.
Faceless Man or Melisandre's magic? I thought she arranged it with her dark magic ######
No, she did burn leeches with kings blood to kill Joffrey, Robb, and Balon - but there were no shadow children like the one's that killed Renly and Penrose.

We learn that it is a Faceless man in one of the Arya chapters. A dwarf woman tells The Brotherhood without Banners stuff she sees in her dreams in exchange for Tom O'Sevens to sing her a song. She mentions that a man without a face kills the old squid.
 
Stoneys said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
Stoneys said:
EYLive said:
3 out of 5 said:
Another really easy place to trim for GRRM would have been

In Book 4 -- Samwell, Gilly, Dareon and Maester Aemon. Sailing. Sailing. Sailing. Stopping. Sailing. Sailing.

In fact, the jump in the timeline was most awkward from 4 to 5 with these characters, as it went back in time with them at the wall. HBO writers aren't going to want to have the same temporal jump -- and hopefully will heavily edit this whole storyline.
I agree.The whole Greyjoy story is kinda meh compared to what's going on elsewhere. I like Asha, but other than some battles and the kingsmoot, there's not much exciting stuff over there.
Have they killed off Balon Greyjoy yet? I thought that happened after Renley but before Robb's death? Or did that happen in AFFC? I can't remember now
I THINK
he dies in SOS

This is also an awesome link as well

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/balon.html
Thanks...They really have not added much of the Greyjoy storyline except for Theon. after last season, i just couldn't remember how much was in ASOS
Yes, he dies in ASOS. A Faceless man kills him and it is made to look like he fell off of one of the rope bridges during a storm.
Faceless Man or Melisandre's magic? I thought she arranged it with her dark magic ######
No, she did burn leeches with kings blood to kill Joffrey, Robb, and Balon - but there were no shadow children like the one's that killed Renly and Penrose. We learn that it is a Faceless man in one of the Arya chapters. A dwarf woman tells The Brotherhood without Banners stuff she sees in her dreams in exchange for Tom O'Sevens to sing her a song. She mentions that a man without a face kills the old squid.
Gotcha. Probably just claiming it fits into prophecies.

 
Good episode. We knew it would be a let down after the past two weeks. Sets up the rest if the season nicely.

I'm very interested in next week. GRRM wrote it and there are several non-book scenes/storylines next week, so I'm curious about his take.

 
Good episode. We knew it would be a let down after the past two weeks. Sets up the rest if the season nicely.I'm very interested in next week. GRRM wrote it and there are several non-book scenes/storylines next week, so I'm curious about his take.
I didn't think it was a let down at all, I was transfixed even by the mundane. The visuals of the ascent and pinnacle of the Wall really helped make the world big and coming after the LF vs Varys scene seemed to be like the passing into the eye of the storm. A brief moment of sunshine and calm before Hell is unleashed on any and everyone and every thing.

One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer. Seems they're setting it up but it's already well past when it should've happened. But I guess that'll be part of the Unleashing that's probably going to start next week in the episode that Martin the sick-#### character killer/torturer wrote.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.Probably around the time he meets a new friend.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
Probably around the time he meets a new friend.

Can you spoiler answer who that is for me please? I can't recall.

It should've happened before Craster's right? So all his fellow Crows could call him Slayer. Who does he meet up with?

I figure they'll bring the walkers into the storyline the last 2 episodes, hopefully for more than a cameo like the last 2 seasons, but I can't recall if they even do that in the books.
 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
Probably around the time he meets a new friend.

I have a feeling they combine that scene with the Shadow Gate (?) chapter with bran. And Coldhands (?). Figure they roll it all up into one scene.
 
A couple of scenes from last night's episode that I don't recall happening in the books. Granted, it has been a while since I read Book 3:

Melisandre meeting up with Thoros and crew (and meeting face to face with Arya).

And the brief shot of a hooker that Joffrey shot up with his cross bow. (BTW - was that the same hooker who has been giving Varys info?)

I don't remember this from the books. Is my memory off?

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
Probably around the time he meets a new friend.
Can you spoiler answer who that is for me please? I can't recall.

It should've happened before Craster's right? So all his fellow Crows could call him Slayer. Who does he meet up with?

I figure they'll bring the walkers into the storyline the last 2 episodes, hopefully for more than a cameo like the last 2 seasons, but I can't recall if they even do that in the books.
My thoughts:

Cold Hands. I don't know that his nickname is necessary for the story. He and Gilly will end up confronting a White Walker at some point and will also meet Cold Hands at the same time. Perhaps Cold Hands even helps them defeat the White Walkers and wights they encounter so that Sam and Gilly know he's on their side. It looks like this is happening in Episode 8.
Apparently GRRM has already delivered his script for Episode 2 of Season 4. That might mean that

Joffrey is going to bite it early like I hoped/predicted!!
 
And the brief shot of a hooker that Joffrey shot up with his cross bow. (BTW - was that the same hooker who has been giving Varys info?)

I don't remember this from the books. Is my memory off?
Roz was not in the books. She is a TV only character that has been used to give some backstory on other characters, and move the plot along. Yes, she was killed because Littlefinger figured out that she was spying on him for Varys.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.Yea, I don't get what they're waiting for.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
Yea, I don't get what they're waiting for.

Some one else may get to become the slayer.

 
One thing I am quite upset about not seeing is Slayer.
Well it seems like that ship has sailed. :(
It's a timely coincidence for sure. Book readers know what/who Slayer is and I'm sure they're all wondering how an extremely important discovery is going to be made.
:confused: Which slayer?
Tarley with the dragon glass
I don't think they put that early scene in there for nothing. We'll probably see the Slayer soon.
Yeah, they were waving it in our faces with it but I'm curious how/where it's going to happen.
Yea, I don't get what they're waiting for.
Some one else may get to become the slayer.

That wouldn't make any sense.

 
A couple of scenes from last night's episode that I don't recall happening in the books. Granted, it has been a while since I read Book 3:

Melisandre meeting up with Thoros and crew (and meeting face to face with Arya).

And the brief shot of a hooker that Joffrey shot up with his cross bow. (BTW - was that the same hooker who has been giving Varys info?)

I don't remember this from the books. Is my memory off?
I don't think Arya ever met the Melisandre. They're using Gendry as Edrick Storm. So the they made that scene for the red priestess (and Stannis) to get someone with royal blood.

 

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