HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[Sinn Fein]

The whole timing does not make sense.

Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, and walks back. If she puts the poison in the chalice, it would be gone when Joffey dumps it on Tyrions head. If she puts the poison in the carafe, it would risk killing her granddaughter. And, when Tyrion fills the chalice, he get the wine from in front of Cersei - so from a filming sequence, I dont see how Olenna could have put the poison in the wine without someone seeing it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I love that this isn't confirmed yet even mentioning it in the TV only thread got me lynched and banned for a week.

yeah, you still don't get it.

 

[Gnat Berries]

I love that this isn't confirmed yet even mentioning it in the TV only thread got me lynched and banned for a week.

yeah, you still don't get it.

Oh I get your/their point well enough (my prior knowledge of the books determines my sleuthing and thus spoils the pristine Eden you've formed for yourself in TVland). I still think it's hilarious though, that what I said is still debated, tat what I said is still confined to the TV shows, that, conversely, you still don't get it either.

 

[Gnat Berries]

Just rewatched the Bran dream sequence. Some interesting things -

1. A crow flying through the Stark crypts at Winterfell.

2. His father honing his sword (from season one, by Winterfell's godtree)

3. His father staring at a burst of fire.

4. The flight of crows through the woods is either outside Craster's place or the Fist of First Men. You can see fortifications of wooden stakes just to the right.

5. The Iron Throne room empty, covered in snow, being snowed on.

6. A white walker staring at someone through a sheet of ice. (The Wall?)

Not sure what that all means. Is it some of this a warning or prophecy or a seeing of future events (i.e. the throne room)? Martin wrote the episode and this contact with the godtree takes the place of ColdHands. Bran doesn't learn to use the godtrees until meeting the green seer. But here he does. Does it follow the same mechanism then, i.e. he's tapping into a primeval network unchained from time, so he can see the past, present, and future as witness by the faces in the trees? Does that make the throne room scene real? How would a godtree see that though? King's Landings' godswood is nowhere near the throne room. So is it a warning of what could happen if Bran doesn't find the seer?

Just throwing baseballs at the wall here.

 

[Thunderlips]

The whole timing does not make sense.

Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, and walks back. If she puts the poison in the chalice, it would be gone when Joffey dumps it on Tyrions head. If she puts the poison in the carafe, it would risk killing her granddaughter. And, when Tyrion fills the chalice, he get the wine from in front of Cersei - so from a filming sequence, I dont see how Olenna could have put the poison in the wine without someone seeing it.

While Joffery is eating his pie, he asks for his wine again. The cup is at the Tyrell table right in front of Olenna. Tyrion gets the cup, he looks at Olenna, the camera cuts to just her, with a look on her face....Tyrion gives Joff the cup, he drinks, he dies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2W2xHM4cWo Per that clip....the cup is either handled or right next to the Tyrell's for one minute (4.00 to 5.00). It wouldn't have taken much at all for Olenna to drop the crysalized poison in the cup while Joffery was cutting the pie.....

In dealing with the Tyrells,

(•_•)

It looks like Joff...
( •_•)>⌐■-■

Bit off more than he could chew......
(⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 

[Psychopav]

The whole timing does not make sense.

Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, and walks back. If she puts the poison in the chalice, it would be gone when Joffey dumps it on Tyrions head. If she puts the poison in the carafe, it would risk killing her granddaughter. And, when Tyrion fills the chalice, he get the wine from in front of Cersei - so from a filming sequence, I dont see how Olenna could have put the poison in the wine without someone seeing it.

While Joffery is eating his pie, he asks for his wine again. The cup is at the Tyrell table right in front of Olenna. Tyrion gets the cup, he looks at Olenna, the camera cuts to just her, with a look on her face....Tyrion gives Joff the cup, he drinks, he dies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2W2xHM4cWo Per that clip....the cup is either handled or right next to the Tyrell's for one minute (4.00 to 5.00). It wouldn't have taken much at all for Olenna to drop the crysalized poison in the cup while Joffery was cutting the pie.....

In dealing with the Tyrells,

(•_•)

It looks like Joff...
( •_•)>⌐■-■

Bit off more than he could chew......
(⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

BUT DO YOU HEAR A CLINK DURING THAT MINUTE???!?!/?!/!/11!1/1?

 

[Sinn Fein]

The whole timing does not make sense.

Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, and walks back. If she puts the poison in the chalice, it would be gone when Joffey dumps it on Tyrions head. If she puts the poison in the carafe, it would risk killing her granddaughter. And, when Tyrion fills the chalice, he get the wine from in front of Cersei - so from a filming sequence, I dont see how Olenna could have put the poison in the wine without someone seeing it.

While Joffery is eating his pie, he asks for his wine again. The cup is at the Tyrell table right in front of Olenna. Tyrion gets the cup, he looks at Olenna, the camera cuts to just her, with a look on her face....Tyrion gives Joff the cup, he drinks, he dies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2W2xHM4cWo Per that clip....the cup is either handled or right next to the Tyrell's for one minute (4.00 to 5.00). It wouldn't have taken much at all for Olenna to drop the crysalized poison in the cup while Joffery was cutting the pie.....

In dealing with the Tyrells,

(•_•)

It looks like Joff...

( •_•)>⌐■-■

Bit off more than he could chew......

(⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Margery puts it back on their table, not the tyrell's table, and there are two guards standing behind Joffrey's table.

 

[Gr00vus]

The whole timing does not make sense.

Olenna grabs poison from Sansa, and walks back. If she puts the poison in the chalice, it would be gone when Joffey dumps it on Tyrions head. If she puts the poison in the carafe, it would risk killing her granddaughter. And, when Tyrion fills the chalice, he get the wine from in front of Cersei - so from a filming sequence, I dont see how Olenna could have put the poison in the wine without someone seeing it.

While Joffery is eating his pie, he asks for his wine again. The cup is at the Tyrell table right in front of Olenna. Tyrion gets the cup, he looks at Olenna, the camera cuts to just her, with a look on her face....Tyrion gives Joff the cup, he drinks, he dies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2W2xHM4cWo Per that clip....the cup is either handled or right next to the Tyrell's for one minute (4.00 to 5.00). It wouldn't have taken much at all for Olenna to drop the crysalized poison in the cup while Joffery was cutting the pie.....

In dealing with the Tyrells,

(•_•)

It looks like Joff...

( •_•)>⌐■-■

Bit off more than he could chew......

(⌐■_■)

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Margery puts it back on their table, not the tyrell's table, and there are two guards standing behind Joffrey's table.

Given the scene it's either Margery or Olenna. They're closest to the cup at its last resting place before the last pour. More likely Margery, as the cup was in front of her place setting on her table - I don't think Olenna could get to it without anyone noticing. It seems Margery is the only one who handles it between Joffrey handing it to her and Tyrion picking it up the last time. Also notice Margery motions Tyrion right to the cup so he doesn't pick up the wrong one by mistake. I figure Olenna grabbed a gem off Sansa's necklace, gave it over to Margery and Margery applied the poison.

There's another option - the fork with which she fed the piece of pie to him. I don't think it was the piece of pie itself as she didn't have enough time to doctor it.

 

[sn0mm1s]

sn0mm1s, do you think Aegon is legit or fake?

Fake - but that is really just a guess. There is a fair amount of evidence for either side. The strongest for him being the real deal is Varys' discussion with Kevan as he is dying. As for fake, the House of the Undying, Quaithe, and Moquorro's visions/prophecies.

Thanks. Theres another place i visit with a lot of got/asoiaf discussion, and one guy totally locked into thinking he is real. He believes Aegon was put into place so Martin can kill Dany. Drogon is going to roast him like that moron from Dorne, but thats me.I just think its a theory for contrarians.

I could argue it either way pretty convincingly. In the case of him being real:

1) We know the infant that was given to Robert was horribly mutilated. Ned doesn't seem to even want to think about it.

2) Jon Connington - who we know is real - seems to believe that Aegon is the real deal. He may/may not have seen Aegon as a baby but we can assume that Aegon looks enough like a Targaryen to be convincing.

3) Varys seems to let a dying Kevan believe that Aegon is real. The caveat here (IIRC) is that Martin may be being clever and switching back and forth between internal dialogue and spoken dialogue so that it seems Varys is confirming something he really isn't.

4) We know that there is a mummer's dragon. Some people interpret this as a fake dragon - when it may just mean that it is a dragon that is a puppet (which would fit Aegon) . Daenerys is definitely doing her own thing - she is pulling her own strings. The same could not be said for Aegon. It could be the mummer = Varys. So the vision is just Varys' dragon.

5) The dragon has 3 heads - and we really only know of two of Targaryen blood (Dany and presumably Jon Snow) - if we need a literal Targ then he seems to be the only option at the moment.

 

[Gnat Berries]

sn0mm1s, do you think Aegon is legit or fake?

Fake - but that is really just a guess. There is a fair amount of evidence for either side. The strongest for him being the real deal is Varys' discussion with Kevan as he is dying. As for fake, the House of the Undying, Quaithe, and Moquorro's visions/prophecies.

Thanks. Theres another place i visit with a lot of got/asoiaf discussion, and one guy totally locked into thinking he is real. He believes Aegon was put into place so Martin can kill Dany. Drogon is going to roast him like that moron from Dorne, but thats me.I just think its a theory for contrarians.

I could argue it either way pretty convincingly. In the case of him being real:

1) We know the infant that was given to Robert was horribly mutilated. Ned doesn't seem to even want to think about it.

2) Jon Connington - who we know is real - seems to believe that Aegon is the real deal. He may/may not have seen Aegon as a baby but we can assume that Aegon looks enough like a Targaryen to be convincing.

3) Varys seems to let a dying Kevan believe that Aegon is real. The caveat here (IIRC) is that Martin may be being clever and switching back and forth between internal dialogue and spoken dialogue so that it seems Varys is confirming something he really isn't.

4) We know that there is a mummer's dragon. Some people interpret this as a fake dragon - when it may just mean that it is a dragon that is a puppet (which would fit Aegon) . Daenerys is definitely doing her own thing - she is pulling her own strings. The same could not be said for Aegon. It could be the mummer = Varys. So the vision is just Varys' dragon.

5) The dragon has 3 heads - and we really only know of two of Targaryen blood (Dany and presumably Jon Snow) - if we need a literal Targ then he seems to be the only option at the moment.

Which is where the Imp = Mad King's son theory comes into play. It's less believable than Aegon being real, IMO. However, when the "mummar's dragon" vision is thrown into the mix, it's much more likely that Aegon is the fake dragon and the Imp is a real one, only because it would be near impossible for the Imp to B.S. that he's of Targ blood. People would laugh in his face. Aegon's claim, on the surface, seems much more real. And he's conveniently turned back to Westeros so that the dragons themselves can't "test" his bloodline, while the Imp is living under their noses - setting him up to be "confirmed" via the dragons being docile around him.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sn0mm1s, do you think Aegon is legit or fake?

Fake - but that is really just a guess. There is a fair amount of evidence for either side. The strongest for him being the real deal is Varys' discussion with Kevan as he is dying. As for fake, the House of the Undying, Quaithe, and Moquorro's visions/prophecies.

Thanks. Theres another place i visit with a lot of got/asoiaf discussion, and one guy totally locked into thinking he is real. He believes Aegon was put into place so Martin can kill Dany. Drogon is going to roast him like that moron from Dorne, but thats me.I just think its a theory for contrarians.

I could argue it either way pretty convincingly. In the case of him being real:

1) We know the infant that was given to Robert was horribly mutilated. Ned doesn't seem to even want to think about it.

2) Jon Connington - who we know is real - seems to believe that Aegon is the real deal. He may/may not have seen Aegon as a baby but we can assume that Aegon looks enough like a Targaryen to be convincing.

3) Varys seems to let a dying Kevan believe that Aegon is real. The caveat here (IIRC) is that Martin may be being clever and switching back and forth between internal dialogue and spoken dialogue so that it seems Varys is confirming something he really isn't.

4) We know that there is a mummer's dragon. Some people interpret this as a fake dragon - when it may just mean that it is a dragon that is a puppet (which would fit Aegon) . Daenerys is definitely doing her own thing - she is pulling her own strings. The same could not be said for Aegon. It could be the mummer = Varys. So the vision is just Varys' dragon.

5) The dragon has 3 heads - and we really only know of two of Targaryen blood (Dany and presumably Jon Snow) - if we need a literal Targ then he seems to be the only option at the moment.

Which is where the Imp = Mad King's son theory comes into play. It's less believable than Aegon being real, IMO. However, when the "mummar's dragon" vision is thrown into the mix, it's much more likely that Aegon is the fake dragon and the Imp is a real one, only because it would be near impossible for the Imp to B.S. that he's of Targ blood. People would laugh in his face. Aegon's claim, on the surface, seems much more real. And he's conveniently turned back to Westeros so that the dragons themselves can't "test" his bloodline, while the Imp is living under their noses - setting him up to be "confirmed" via the dragons being docile around him.

If Aegon is "alive" couldn't his sister be as well? why replace one targ baby when there are two to save?

 

[sn0mm1s]

sn0mm1s, do you think Aegon is legit or fake?

Fake - but that is really just a guess. There is a fair amount of evidence for either side. The strongest for him being the real deal is Varys' discussion with Kevan as he is dying. As for fake, the House of the Undying, Quaithe, and Moquorro's visions/prophecies.

Thanks. Theres another place i visit with a lot of got/asoiaf discussion, and one guy totally locked into thinking he is real. He believes Aegon was put into place so Martin can kill Dany. Drogon is going to roast him like that moron from Dorne, but thats me.I just think its a theory for contrarians.

I could argue it either way pretty convincingly. In the case of him being real:

1) We know the infant that was given to Robert was horribly mutilated. Ned doesn't seem to even want to think about it.

2) Jon Connington - who we know is real - seems to believe that Aegon is the real deal. He may/may not have seen Aegon as a baby but we can assume that Aegon looks enough like a Targaryen to be convincing.

3) Varys seems to let a dying Kevan believe that Aegon is real. The caveat here (IIRC) is that Martin may be being clever and switching back and forth between internal dialogue and spoken dialogue so that it seems Varys is confirming something he really isn't.

4) We know that there is a mummer's dragon. Some people interpret this as a fake dragon - when it may just mean that it is a dragon that is a puppet (which would fit Aegon) . Daenerys is definitely doing her own thing - she is pulling her own strings. The same could not be said for Aegon. It could be the mummer = Varys. So the vision is just Varys' dragon.

5) The dragon has 3 heads - and we really only know of two of Targaryen blood (Dany and presumably Jon Snow) - if we need a literal Targ then he seems to be the only option at the moment.

Which is where the Imp = Mad King's son theory comes into play. It's less believable than Aegon being real, IMO. However, when the "mummar's dragon" vision is thrown into the mix, it's much more likely that Aegon is the fake dragon and the Imp is a real one, only because it would be near impossible for the Imp to B.S. that he's of Targ blood. People would laugh in his face. Aegon's claim, on the surface, seems much more real. And he's conveniently turned back to Westeros so that the dragons themselves can't "test" his bloodline, while the Imp is living under their noses - setting him up to be "confirmed" via the dragons being docile around him.

If Aegon is "alive" couldn't his sister be as well? why replace one targ baby when there are two to save?

Well, we might have been given a hint with how the Stark brothers were treated. Maester Luwyn has the Stark heirs split up - it may just be that one of the Targ kids was really caught.

 

[Gnat Berries]

sn0mm1s, do you think Aegon is legit or fake?

Fake - but that is really just a guess. There is a fair amount of evidence for either side. The strongest for him being the real deal is Varys' discussion with Kevan as he is dying. As for fake, the House of the Undying, Quaithe, and Moquorro's visions/prophecies.

Thanks. Theres another place i visit with a lot of got/asoiaf discussion, and one guy totally locked into thinking he is real. He believes Aegon was put into place so Martin can kill Dany. Drogon is going to roast him like that moron from Dorne, but thats me.I just think its a theory for contrarians.

I could argue it either way pretty convincingly. In the case of him being real:

1) We know the infant that was given to Robert was horribly mutilated. Ned doesn't seem to even want to think about it.

2) Jon Connington - who we know is real - seems to believe that Aegon is the real deal. He may/may not have seen Aegon as a baby but we can assume that Aegon looks enough like a Targaryen to be convincing.

3) Varys seems to let a dying Kevan believe that Aegon is real. The caveat here (IIRC) is that Martin may be being clever and switching back and forth between internal dialogue and spoken dialogue so that it seems Varys is confirming something he really isn't.

4) We know that there is a mummer's dragon. Some people interpret this as a fake dragon - when it may just mean that it is a dragon that is a puppet (which would fit Aegon) . Daenerys is definitely doing her own thing - she is pulling her own strings. The same could not be said for Aegon. It could be the mummer = Varys. So the vision is just Varys' dragon.

5) The dragon has 3 heads - and we really only know of two of Targaryen blood (Dany and presumably Jon Snow) - if we need a literal Targ then he seems to be the only option at the moment.

Which is where the Imp = Mad King's son theory comes into play. It's less believable than Aegon being real, IMO. However, when the "mummar's dragon" vision is thrown into the mix, it's much more likely that Aegon is the fake dragon and the Imp is a real one, only because it would be near impossible for the Imp to B.S. that he's of Targ blood. People would laugh in his face. Aegon's claim, on the surface, seems much more real. And he's conveniently turned back to Westeros so that the dragons themselves can't "test" his bloodline, while the Imp is living under their noses - setting him up to be "confirmed" via the dragons being docile around him.

If Aegon is "alive" couldn't his sister be as well? why replace one targ baby when there are two to save?

Well, we might have been given a hint with how the Stark brothers were treated. Maester Luwyn has the Stark heirs split up - it may just be that one of the Targ kids was really caught.

The girl's face was clearly identified when laid before Robert. The boy's face was all mangled and destroyed, leaving his identity in question, though Robert never seemed to question it since his mother and sister were dead beside him. That's why the Imp seems to believe that Aegon is legit. I believe he even admits that he always wondered if it was a trick, that his father (or the Mountain) couldn't find the boy so he snatched another kid and mangled the face.

 

[Brady Marino]

Well, who's going to be first to say "I told you so" about Sansa's necklace in the TV thread?

 

[shuke]

Also notice Margery motions Tyrion right to the cup so he doesn't pick up the wrong one by mistake.

Nice catch.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Also notice Margery motions Tyrion right to the cup so he doesn't pick up the wrong one by mistake.

Nice catch.

Based on last nights conversation with her grandmother it seems she wasn't in on it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Also notice Margery motions Tyrion right to the cup so he doesn't pick up the wrong one by mistake.

Nice catch.

Based on last nights conversation with her grandmother it seems she wasn't in on it.

 

[Brady Marino]

I watched the poisoning scene right before last night's episode and it did seem rather obvious that Oleana took the stone and "clinked" it as she was walking by where Cersei was sitting.

I think she dropped it right in the wine carafe, based on where she was standing when the CLINK was heard. Keep in mind that Tyrion pours Joffrey wine from that very same carafe.

 

[(HULK)]

Just rewatched the Bran dream sequence. Some interesting things -

1. A crow flying through the Stark crypts at Winterfell.

2. His father honing his sword (from season one, by Winterfell's godtree)

3. His father staring at a burst of fire.

4. The flight of crows through the woods is either outside Craster's place or the Fist of First Men. You can see fortifications of wooden stakes just to the right.

5. The Iron Throne room empty, covered in snow, being snowed on.

6. A white walker staring at someone through a sheet of ice. (The Wall?)

Not sure what that all means. Is it some of this a warning or prophecy or a seeing of future events (i.e. the throne room)? Martin wrote the episode and this contact with the godtree takes the place of ColdHands. Bran doesn't learn to use the godtrees until meeting the green seer. But here he does. Does it follow the same mechanism then, i.e. he's tapping into a primeval network unchained from time, so he can see the past, present, and future as witness by the faces in the trees? Does that make the throne room scene real? How would a godtree see that though? King's Landings' godswood is nowhere near the throne room. So is it a warning of what could happen if Bran doesn't find the seer?

Just throwing baseballs at the wall here.

Not sure how you left out shadow of a dragon in flight over the Red Keep from your list. Seemed to be the most important one imo.

 

[(HULK)]

The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal.[

Pretty much all of this is true. The glass candles are burning. People are sick with the pale mare thing. The Kraken is about to reach Mereen w/ the horn. The dark flame is probably his red priest dude who I think is black (going from memory). Sun's sun is the guy who got toasted by Drogon. The lion is Tyrion, the Griffin is Connington. The Mummer's Dragon is Aegon (since Varys is the mummer).

I'm not sure who the perfumed seneschal is though. Illyrio?

Remember the undying is in reference to that vision prophecy:

The warlock Pyat Pree persuades Daenerys Targaryen to seek answers in the House of the Undying. Inside, she passes through many rooms containing visions before she reaches the chamber of the Undying.[2]

1. A beautiful, naked woman being ravished by four of the dwarves who serve the house.
2. A feast of slaughtered corpses holding cups, spoons, and food, with a dead man with a wolf's head sitting on a throne wearing an iron crown, apparently foreshadowing the Red Wedding.
3. Daenerys' childhood home with the red door in Braavos.
4. A throne room with dragon skulls on the walls where a king resembling Aerys II Targaryen sits on a barbed throne and appears to give the order to burn the Red Keep during the Sack of King's Landing.
5. A room where a silver-haired man (presumably Rhaegar Targaryen) names his son Aegon, says the child is "the prince that was promised", then plays a harp.
6. A "splendor of wizards" who falsely claim to be the Undying of Qarth and offer to teach Daenerys the secret speech of dragonkind.

Upon reaching the chamber of the Undying, Daenerys is spoken to in a barely perceptible whisper. The Undying call her "mother of dragons" and "child of three" and tell her some prophesies, saying "three fires must you light... one for life and one for death and one to love... three mounts must you ride... one to bed and one to dread and one to love... three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love..."

The Undying show Daenerys many more visions before attacking her and being slain by Drogon[2]:

1. Viserys Targaryen's gruesome death.
2. A tall lord with copper-skin and silver-gold hair beneath a banner of a fiery stallion, with a burning city in the background (this may be a glimpse at what Rhaego's future would have been).
3. A dying prince (likely Rhaegar Targaryen) mutters a woman's name with his last breath, rubies flying from his chest.
4. A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand.
5. A cloth dragon sways on poles amidst a cheering crowd.
6. A great stone beast takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadows.
7. Daenerys's silver trots through grass to a darkling stream under a sea of stars.
8. A corpse standing at the prow of a ship with bright eyes and grey smiling lips.
9. A blue flower growing from a ***** in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness

 

[Lutherman2112]

Has this been placed in this thread yet? (NSFW, language)

Rage of Thrones

 

[Mjolnirs]

Has this been placed in this thread yet? (NSFW, language)

Rage of Thrones

Perfect!

 

[3 out of 5]

Judge for yourself.

Clink-gate video evidence.

I was doubtful, but it does sound like there is something there (right at 3:33). You can also clearly see where she pulls the stone from Sansa's necklace.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Clink or not (I havent checked back again after watching the show initially) are we thinking that the 'stone' she removed disolved in the wine or that Joff swallowed it whole?

 

[Rick James]

wtf does any of this matter? Olenna conspired with Littlefinger to kill Joffrey. move on people

 

[Colts Win]

When little finger broke the necklace didn't it look like all the stones where there?

 

[Brady Marino]

Judge for yourself.

Clink-gate video evidence.

I was doubtful, but it does sound like there is something there (right at 3:33). You can also clearly see where she pulls the stone from Sansa's necklace.

She picks the stone off Sansa at 2:58. The clink, along with what looks Oleanna dropping the stone into something, takes place at 3:33 right in front of Margaery, who looked pre-occupied with the musical act.

 

[Kraft...]

The necklace wound up on the boat with Sir Dontas, assuming he will be found with the necklace. That should beat it over the heads of the non book readers. In the books he was tossed overboard IIRC.

 

[Thunderlips]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

wtf does any of this matter? Olenna conspired with Littlefinger to kill Joffrey. move on people

 

[Thunderlips]

When little finger broke the necklace didn't it look like all the stones where there?

That's the only thing....

If all the stones were there.....Littlefinger breaks one, tosses it in the boat. It's assumed that Dontos will be found in the boat with the necklace missing one stone. If the necklace is tested.....it'll probably be confirmed that it was poisoned and that Sansa was to blame. L-Finger is setting Sansa up.....but at the same time, if all the stones are there (which they must have been if he took one)......then who and how was Joffery posioned?

 

[Gr00vus]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

Yeah, I didn't think that was such a great episode. Also, the guy playing Littlefinger is hamming it up too much.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

Yeah, I didn't think that was such a great episode. Also, the guy playing Littlefinger is hamming it up too much.

I actually think his character is getting worse with that too. Starting when he gave Cersi #### when talking about what Ned was looking for.

 

[Mister Martie]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

Yeah, I didn't think that was such a great episode. Also, the guy playing Littlefinger is hamming it up too much.

Not my favorite episode either.

 

[parrot]

When little finger broke the necklace didn't it look like all the stones where there?

That's the only thing....

If all the stones were there.....Littlefinger breaks one, tosses it in the boat. It's assumed that Dontos will be found in the boat with the necklace missing one stone. If the necklace is tested.....it'll probably be confirmed that it was poisoned and that Sansa was to blame. L-Finger is setting Sansa up.....but at the same time, if all the stones are there (which they must have been if he took one)......then who and how was Joffery posioned?

This would be a fairly major departure from the book, where the boat is burned with Dontos' body in it, and, IIRC, the last we hear of the hairnet/necklace, Sansa sticks it in her pocket,

 

[Gr00vus]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

Yeah, I didn't think that was such a great episode. Also, the guy playing Littlefinger is hamming it up too much.

I actually think his character is getting worse with that too. Starting when he gave Cersi #### when talking about what Ned was looking for.

He is getting worse. Last night was almost comical with the hyper dramatic close talking.

The "wait a minute, I can borrow money from a bank but wouldn't have remembered that without starting to read this story" scene was silly. Maybe I'm just forgetting - did it go down that way in the actual book?

 

[CBusAlex]

They're not even pretending that Coster-Waldau has blonde hair this season, are they?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not a huge fan of the pacing of this season....and I almost feel like they're biting off more than they can chew in regards to fleshing unsaid or inferred stuff from the books in favor of book canon. Sometimes it works, (Tywin's speech to Tommen)......but other times, like the Thenn "I'm eating your ma" battle....it adds characters and conflict to an already crowded lineup.

Yeah, I didn't think that was such a great episode. Also, the guy playing Littlefinger is hamming it up too much.

I actually think his character is getting worse with that too. Starting when he gave Cersi #### when talking about what Ned was looking for.

He is getting worse. Last night was almost comical with the hyper dramatic close talking.

The "wait a minute, I can borrow money from a bank but wouldn't have remembered that without starting to read this story" scene was silly. Maybe I'm just forgetting - did it go down that way in the actual book?

With Davos, no this wasnt according to the book IIRC. In the books, he's learning to read and comes accross a letter from the Watch requesting assistance...he then brings it to Stannis who ends up at the Wall. I dont think the Iron Bank thing was in the book. I could be wrong though.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Didn't the Iron Bank coming looking for Stanis first, and then agree to finance him?

 

[Rick James]

Didn't the Iron Bank coming looking for Stanis first, and then agree to finance him?

yes. late in Dance if memory serves

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Didn't the Iron Bank coming looking for Stanis first, and then agree to finance him?

yes. late in Dance if memory serves

When they were almost to Winterfell, correct?

 

[Gr00vus]

They're not even pretending that Coster-Waldau has blonde hair this season, are they?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Didn't the Iron Bank coming looking for Stanis first, and then agree to finance him?

yes. late in Dance if memory serves

When they were almost to Winterfell, correct?

A quick perusal shows that the bank rep showed up at the Wall looking for Stannis, because the Iron Throne (Cersei) had stopped making payments. Jon made a deal with the bank for ship and a loan to buy food through the spring, and then was going to send him on to Stannis who had already marched toward Winterfell

 

[encaitar]

Didn't the Iron Bank coming looking for Stanis first, and then agree to finance him?

yes. late in Dance if memory serves

When they were almost to Winterfell, correct?

A quick perusal shows that the bank rep showed up at the Wall looking for Stannis, because the Iron Throne (Cersei) had stopped making payments. Jon made a deal with the bank for ship and a loan to buy food through the spring, and then was going to send him on to Stannis who had already marched toward Winterfell

Yep. Another incident showing just how inept Cersei is. The one thing the Lannisters have that gives them a leg up over every one else in the war is their wealth. Well, now Stannis will have the richest organization in the world backing him as a direct result of Cersei's stupidity.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Well, who's going to be first to say "I told you so" about Sansa's necklace in the TV thread?

I'm reporting the first person who does. Above average sleuthing deserves multiple bannings, IMAO.

 

[Brady Marino]

Well, who's going to be first to say "I told you so" about Sansa's necklace in the TV thread?

I'm reporting the first person who does. Above average sleuthing deserves multiple bannings, IMAO.

 

[Abrantes]

Man, that Jaime rape scene sucked.

 

[Mister Martie]

Man, that Jaime rape scene sucked.

Agreed. I don't know if it was just a ham handed interpretation of that scene in the books or some weird twist they added. It didn't make much sense to me.There was way too much screen time dedicated to that Sam & Gilly story line.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Man, that Jaime rape scene sucked.

Agreed. I don't know if it was just a ham handed interpretation of that scene in the books or some weird twist they added. It didn't make much sense to me.There was way too much screen time dedicated to that Sam & Gilly story line.

more than 30secs is too much time with those 2.

 

[Maelstrom]

When little finger broke the necklace didn't it look like all the stones where there?

That's the only thing....

If all the stones were there.....Littlefinger breaks one, tosses it in the boat. It's assumed that Dontos will be found in the boat with the necklace missing one stone. If the necklace is tested.....it'll probably be confirmed that it was poisoned and that Sansa was to blame. L-Finger is setting Sansa up.....but at the same time, if all the stones are there (which they must have been if he took one)......then who and how was Joffery posioned?

There was a stone missing. Oleana took one (see the video scene where she is holding the necklace and saying it's horrible to kill men at a wedding, the top right one is missing after that). Littlefinger crushed another one (now 1 missing, 1 crushed) and threw it back on Dontos. I assume his body with the necklace will be found, others will know he was sweet on Sansa (plus it's her necklace) and so it will be blindingly obvious that Sansa (and Tyrion) are setup to take the fall for Littlefinger's and Oleana's ploy.

What I don't remember from the books is the reason for Oleana being willing to take out Joffrey now (as opposed to after his line is established through Margery). Just cause he was a horrible person/king/husband/etc? Hoping her grand-daughter will just automatically be wed to Tommen who seems much better? Afraid for Margery's life with Joffrey? Only valid opportunity?