HC Bill Belichick (2 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

Shula should be mentioned, along with Belichick, when discussing the best coaches of all time and their  QBs. Shula went to 6 different Super Bowls with 4 different QBs. Unitas, Griese, Woodley and Marino. 3 of them future HOFers. If you include the role that Morrall played in SB 5 and 11 regular season wins during the Perfect Season, that's 5 QBs. Quite an accomplishment. Of course, Shula only won 2 SB games. I think his downfall during the Marino years was loyalty to bad coaches, especially on defense. He didn't have a salary cap to deal with like BB. The 2 best coaches in the modern era.

I should have included Shula in the top coaches section. However, Shula in two of those years had to play other QBs out of necessity due to injury. With the exception of one season, Brady didn't get hurt. Hard to punish Bill for having a line good enough that Brady didn't get crushed all that often. The one season Brady missed, the Patriots went 11-5. We certainly could debate the merits of that, as they still missed the playoffs and actually won 5 fewer games than the season prior. Most teams don't have the same starting QB for 19 seasons. BB in his time in NE (until last year) hasn't had to work much with anyone other than Brady.

 

[Faust]

Accidental Belichick text at center of coach's NFL discrimination lawsuit

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Never stops being Classy, a real NFL treasure.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Shula should be mentioned, along with Belichick, when discussing the best coaches of all time and their  QBs. Shula went to 6 different Super Bowls with 4 different QBs. Unitas, Griese, Woodley and Marino. 3 of them future HOFers. If you include the role that Morrall played in SB 5 and 11 regular season wins during the Perfect Season, that's 5 QBs. Quite an accomplishment. Of course, Shula only won 2 SB games. I think his downfall during the Marino years was loyalty to bad coaches, especially on defense. He didn't have a salary cap to deal with like BB. The 2 best coaches in the modern era.

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports Bill Belichick could be the Patriots' offensive play caller in 2022. 

"There's sort of an open belief leaguewide that coach Bill Belichick could call the plays or, at the very least, have more involvement in the offense," Fowler said. "He's involved in everything, to be sure, but he could really dig in here." New England lost longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to the Raiders last month and have since made the curious decision to bring back Joe Judge, who's expected to work with the team's quarterbacks. The loss of McDaniels after Mac Jones' surprisingly successful rookie campaign could be a big hit to New England's offense in 2022. 

SOURCE: ESPN.com 

Mar 7, 2022, 9:54 AM ET

 

[Anarchy99]

Interesting. According to Albert Breer, when everything started to boil over in NE in 2017, Brady wanted BB out and Bill O'Brien in as head coach of the Patriots. Both TB and BB stuck around, and Jimmy G was the one shipped out. Doesn't sound like anyone was a happy camper back then.

 

[Faust]

Interesting. According to Albert Breer, when everything started to boil over in NE in 2017, Brady wanted BB out and Bill O'Brien in as head coach of the Patriots. Both TB and BB stuck around, and Jimmy G was the one shipped out. Doesn't sound like anyone was a happy camper back then.

Tom Brady Wanted Bill O'Brien to Replace Bill Belichick in New England

 

[Faust]

What did Bill Belichick and the Patriots do in the draft? Go full Belichick, that's what

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Last place in AFC East in 2022, and likely a few years after.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Sigh, probably right Mr O, at least re this yr. Many of us had high hopes the team would rely on its scouting more and less on BB re final say on draft picks (at least that is what Kraft appeared to imply). Sadly this looks like a classic BB draft; taking no name players AND reaching for them in the process. Ugh..

 

[Faust]

Could New England Patriots' top draft picks be a referendum on relative athletic score?

 

[Faust]

PATRIOTS' STRUGGLES PLACE NEW LEVEL OF SCRUTINY ON BELICHICK

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I dunno wth the pats are doing these days, but not surprisingly it sounds like it’s going terribly.

 

[Cadence calls]

A little Al Davis type of slippage happening, maybe?
Dude has been doing this a looooong time.
At some point the game starts to pass you.

His X’s and O’s still seem to be on point.
The personnel aspect has been lacking lately, for sure.
It worked out ok, back in the day with Brady, where churning
was off set by system, really good coaches and management, and a handful of HOF vets.

Last years free agency signings were a red flag, imo.
The home grown talent just wasn’t sufficient, so spend da money!
Arrow is pointing down for Coach B and the Pats.

 

[Faust]

Will Bill Belichick’s Big Coaching Gamble Backfire?

 

[Faust]

Is coach Bill Belichick's historic experience gap a decisive Week 1 advantage for New England Patriots?

 

[JohnnyU]

Is coach Bill Belichick's historic experience gap a decisive Week 1 advantage for New England Patriots?

No, he's going to get his butt handed to him today.

 

[Faust]

NFL fans destroyed Bill Belichick after the Patriots looked dreadful in their loss to the Dolphins

 

[BladeRunner]

Is coach Bill Belichick's historic experience gap a decisive Week 1 advantage for New England Patriots?

No, he's going to get his butt handed to him today.

good call.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

He's cashed. Bills are going to dominate that division for a long time. Time to hang them up.


I mean, he's earned the right to coach as long as he wants but it's clear his window is closed and by the time it opens again he will be a VERY old man.

 

[Faust]

Bill Belichick on some Patriots players unaware of planned QB rotation vs. Bears: 'There was no lack of communication'

 

[Faust]

Bill Belichick's plan to play Mac Jones, Bailey Zappe goes awry in Patriots' Monday night loss to Bears

 

[Faust]

Bill Belichick can't easily brush aside confusion over Patriots' two-QB 'plan' as losses pile up

Former Patriot takes shot at Bill Belichick after embarrassing loss to Bears

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

 

[Boston]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

 

[Anarchy99]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

 

[rockaction]

You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Would they beat the Texans?

 

[Boston]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

 

[Anarchy99]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

 

[Gatorman]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

We can argue this bc Shula deserves a mention. He didn't win any one way: He had run first, pass first, and defense first teams. While not a lot of his coaches ended up fallig from the shula tree, there are a lot of Front office types who definitely came from Shula.

 

[Gatorman]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

I think this is giving Bill B a bad rap, but lets face it, he is here to catch Shula the next few years, not win a championship. Obviously the power struggle at the end of Brady's tenure screwed him bc he wanted to move on with Jimmy G, but the rise of the Bills is the shadow all of the teams in the AFCE need to contend with and BB has not kept pace (at least this season) with what they have in Miami or what they are doing in New York (both teams). All teams have a stumble when they lose the face of the franchise this way. Credit to BB in that you still are scared of this team, but 12 wins and home field? Not for the forseeable future.

 

[bro1ncos]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Bill Walsh? But tough to disput with any on that list. A couple that could be argued....Parcells, Gibbs, Shula, Landry IMO.

One thing about Belichek is that if he definitely seems to make DBs great in his defense that seem to be average elsewhere. Also, for his lack of ability to draft WR, his ability to find talent at QB, LB, and OL is impressive.

 

[TwinTurbo]

He's cashed. Bills are going to dominate that division for a long time. Time to hang them up.


I mean, he's earned the right to coach as long as he wants but it's clear his window is closed and by the time it opens again he will be a VERY old man.

He had a legendary run with Brady and none of the other AFC East teams having a franchise QB for two decades. Now he is a mere mortal like every other coach without a HoF QB. They can throttle the Lions but lose to the Bears and finish last in the division. He is basically Rex Ryan now. Sorry Pats fans.

 

[Anarchy99]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

I think this is giving Bill B a bad rap, but lets face it, he is here to catch Shula the next few years, not win a championship. Obviously the power struggle at the end of Brady's tenure screwed him bc he wanted to move on with Jimmy G, but the rise of the Bills is the shadow all of the teams in the AFCE need to contend with and BB has not kept pace (at least this season) with what they have in Miami or what they are doing in New York (both teams). All teams have a stumble when they lose the face of the franchise this way. Credit to BB in that you still are scared of this team, but 12 wins and home field? Not for the forseeable future.

With only one bye in the playoffs these days, I doubt there will be one team that gets the bye year in and year out. The Bills have been very good for several years and the Chiefs aren't going anywhere, but between them they have one SB title so far.

I think the biggest change in the AFC landscape is the other teams in the AFC East are all competent. Compare that to the Brady era, when the best QB in the division was ???? That's the biggest obstacle for NE. A lot fewer cakewalk games.

 

[Boston]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

QB-I like Mac and Zappe can play but right now not sure what is happening
RB-Stevenson is the real deal and Harris is solid but he will be gone after this season…after that there is absolutely nothing unless Strong improves
TE-I like Henry but he is vastly overpaid and not overly productive…Jonnu is horrific for that contract…wasted 2 third round picks on players who were complete busts
WR-They are solid as a unit but they aren’t scaring anyone…I am a big fan of Meyers and Thornton is very intriguing but they don’t have a #1…I believe I read they are the highest paid WR unit in the NFL and there is no way that should be the case
O line-An average group that needs a big upgrade at one tackle position and the other one is probably just a short term player…Strange is Ok but don’t see the need to use the #1 on him
D-Line-another middle of the road unit…Wise has actually played well this year but Barmore has not played up to expectations
LB-outside of Judon who is a stud nothing much going on here
D-backs-solid unit…Jack Jones looks legit and I like Duggar who has has his moments but still needs to settle in as to what he is now that it is year 3…McCourty doesn’t have much time left which won’t help
K/P-Folk has been very good but not sure what has happened to Bailey who looked at one point that he was gonna be a stud

Sorry but this is a middle of the road roster…Judon is their only elite player…Stevenson shows signs of being one, I still believe Barmore can become one although I feel he has not taken a step forward this year and while still early Jack Jones could be a big time player…your Texans comment is not fair because I am not saying it is a disaster but overall I just don’t see a path to becoming a real contender with what is currently on their roster…they have a lot of cap space this off-season and how they do with that combined with getting the QB situation squared away will dictate if they remain what they are now or can take the next step…right now I am not confident that will happen and feel very confident saying if BB was not HC they would be in real big trouble with this roster.

 

[Anarchy99]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

QB-I like Mac and Zappe can play but right now not sure what is happening
RB-Stevenson is the real deal and Harris is solid but he will be gone after this season…after that there is absolutely nothing unless Strong improves
TE-I like Henry but he is vastly overpaid and not overly productive…Jonnu is horrific for that contract…wasted 2 third round picks on players who were complete busts
WR-They are solid as a unit but they aren’t scaring anyone…I am a big fan of Meyers and Thornton is very intriguing but they don’t have a #1…I believe they are the highest paid WR unit in the NFL and there is no way that should be the case
O line-An average group that needs a big upgrade at one tackle position and the other one is probably just a short term player…Strange is Ok but don’t see the need to use the #1 on him
D-Line-another middle of the road unit…Wise has actually played well this year but Barmore has not played up to expectations
LB-outside of Judon who is a stud nothing much going on here
D-backs-solid unit…Jack Jones looks legit and I like Duggar who has has his moments but still needs to settle in as to what he is now that it is year 3…McCourty doesn’t have much time left which won’t help
K/P-Folk has been very good but not sure what has happened to Bailey who looked at one point that he was gonna be a stud

Sorry but this is a middle of the road roster…Judon is their only elite player…Stevenson shows signs of being one, I still believe Barmore can become one although I feel he has not taken a step forward this year and while still early Jack Jones could be a big time player…your Texans comment is not fair because I am not saying it is a disaster but overall I just don’t see a path to becoming a real contender with what is currently on their roster…they have a lot of cap space this off-season and how they do with that combined with getting the QB situation squared away will dictate if they remain what they are now or can take the next step…right now I am not confident that will happen And feel very confident if BB was not HC they would be in big trouble with this roster.

Here's the problem. The analytics disagree with some of your assessment. I don't have time to look everything up, but NE's OL has been ranked as a Top 5 unit this year. Jones and Jones are ranked as Top 10 CB. Harris and Stevenson have been Top 10 RBs. If you want to get into the weeds, up until yesterday, their DVOA results were much more indicative of a team with a much better record. I think if you looked at rosters for other teams, you would conclude that many teams have run of the mill talent in most positions and a couple of big names and producers. But since we in NE are used to winning all the time, we forget how difficult it is to win consistently.

 

[Boston]

BB the GM is letting down BB the Coach…not sure how this will end but the Pats need a lot more talent.

We all agree the Pats had a number of terrible drafts. That's not in dispute. But the last two drafts have been much better. Sure, they whiffed on some free agents (Agholor, Smith) but hit on others (Judon, Henry). They aren't devoid of talent. You make them sound like they are the Texans.

Where did I say that? They have middling talent right now and I can’t say I have confidence they can get to the next level anytime soon.

I guess I disagree on the middling talent part. Maybe the pieces don't fit well. But the secondary, OL, and RBs are generally very good. The LBs need help, and the DL other than Barmore could use an upgrade, but Judon has been exceptional this year. Meyers, Thornton, Parker, and Henry are plus players (Bourne should be, but they haven't played him much). Agholor and Smith were a waste of time and money. Maybe the numbers are better than the talent level on the OL, but I don't see many spots where they are lacking talent. You mention they need "a lot of talent," so start with that. What spots do you consider them average or worse?

QB-I like Mac and Zappe can play but right now not sure what is happening
RB-Stevenson is the real deal and Harris is solid but he will be gone after this season…after that there is absolutely nothing unless Strong improves
TE-I like Henry but he is vastly overpaid and not overly productive…Jonnu is horrific for that contract…wasted 2 third round picks on players who were complete busts
WR-They are solid as a unit but they aren’t scaring anyone…I am a big fan of Meyers and Thornton is very intriguing but they don’t have a #1…I believe they are the highest paid WR unit in the NFL and there is no way that should be the case
O line-An average group that needs a big upgrade at one tackle position and the other one is probably just a short term player…Strange is Ok but don’t see the need to use the #1 on him
D-Line-another middle of the road unit…Wise has actually played well this year but Barmore has not played up to expectations
LB-outside of Judon who is a stud nothing much going on here
D-backs-solid unit…Jack Jones looks legit and I like Duggar who has has his moments but still needs to settle in as to what he is now that it is year 3…McCourty doesn’t have much time left which won’t help
K/P-Folk has been very good but not sure what has happened to Bailey who looked at one point that he was gonna be a stud

Sorry but this is a middle of the road roster…Judon is their only elite player…Stevenson shows signs of being one, I still believe Barmore can become one although I feel he has not taken a step forward this year and while still early Jack Jones could be a big time player…your Texans comment is not fair because I am not saying it is a disaster but overall I just don’t see a path to becoming a real contender with what is currently on their roster…they have a lot of cap space this off-season and how they do with that combined with getting the QB situation squared away will dictate if they remain what they are now or can take the next step…right now I am not confident that will happen And feel very confident if BB was not HC they would be in big trouble with this roster.

Here's the problem. The analytics disagree with some of your assessment. I don't have time to look everything up, but NE's OL has been ranked as a Top 5 unit this year. Jones and Jones are ranked as Top 10 CB. Harris and Stevenson have been Top 10 RBs. If you want to get into the weeds, up until yesterday, their DVOA results were much more indicative of a team with a much better record. I think if you looked at rosters for other teams, you would conclude that many teams have run of the mill talent in most positions and a couple of big names and producers. But since we in NE are used to winning all the time, we forget how difficult it is to win consistently.

They are a middle of the road roster...that is why they are 3-4 (the teams they have beat are a combined 5-15) and they are 4-8 in their last 12 games.

 

[bostonfred]

Going into this season I asked if the Patriots had any players who were top 10 players at their respective positions. The answer at the time was... maybe Judon? Maybe HHenry? Maybe some other guys can step up like Barmore or Mac?

The obvious conclusion was that this team doesn't have star power.

And yet here they are with a bunch of guys playing at a top 10 level halfway through the season.

I love watching this team with belichick because they have done this so many times - gotten off to slow starts, gotten better as the season went on, reeled off a bunch of wins in a row. And without Brady, yeah, they're obviously not as good, but every regular season win is exciting because you just don't know. With Brady it felt like if they lost a regular season game it was a shock and if they didn't at least get to the afccg it was disappointing. There was very little drama except the occasional matchup against the colts, Broncos, chiefs or whoever was hot at the time.

This is an exciting team, they're playing as well as anyone should expect, they're developing the qb position and they're competing even when they rebuild. I know people want it to be over with overnight and to have belichick winning more rings before he retires but this is a process and it probably isn't happening this year.

The fake fans who booed Mac are an embarrassment to the team. Zappe looks good. Mac is improving his game from game manager to a guy who can chuck deep on any down and distance. They're both exciting players. Let's enjoy watching them develop and hopefully make each other better. Wynn sucked this year. But strange and the rookies look awesome. This should be exciting not a bunch of whining but people are too spoiled.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

 

[Chreesto]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

I think I'd choose Landry by a hair. It is crazy to think that for 4-5 years BOTH Landry and Lombardi were coordinators for some great Giants teams. Talk about a stacked staff.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

I think I'd choose Landry by a hair. It is crazy to think that for 4-5 years BOTH Landry and Lombardi were coordinators for some great Giants teams. Talk about a stacked staff.

And the same Giants later had Parcells/Belichick/Coughlin.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The fake fans who booed Mac are an embarrassment to the team. Zappe looks good. Mac is improving his game from game manager to a guy who can chuck deep on any down and distance. They're both exciting players. Let's enjoy watching them develop and hopefully make each other better. Wynn sucked this year. But strange and the rookies look awesome. This should be exciting not a bunch of whining but people are too spoiled.

Amen brother.

Sam Wyche told Bengals fans "this isn't Cleveland!". Someone should tell Boston fans and sports media "this isn't philly or new york!".

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

Shanahan? Reid?!?!?!

Blasphemous!!!!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

Shanahan? Reid?!?!?!

Blasphemous!!!!

I'm talking about Kyle's DAD in case that's not obvious. And Reid is brilliant and beloved by his players.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

Shanahan? Reid?!?!?!

Blasphemous!!!!

I'm talking about Kyle's DAD in case that's not obvious. And Reid is brilliant and beloved by his players.

I know who you’re talking about.

You think Mike Shanahan and Andy Reid are two of the top head coaches…of all time? I don’t think they even approach the discussion, much less be considered as candidates for the Mount Rushmore of their professions

Landry
Shula
Halas
Lombardi
Walsh
Parcells
Vermeil
Walsh
Knoll
Belichick
Gibbs
Brown
Lambeau

All well ahead of Shanny and Reid, imo.

ETA - I would take Jimmy Johnson and John Madden over both.

 

[Anarchy99]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

Shanahan? Reid?!?!?!

Blasphemous!!!!

I'm talking about Kyle's DAD in case that's not obvious. And Reid is brilliant and beloved by his players.

I know who you’re talking about.

You think Mike Shanahan and Andy Reid are two of the top head coaches…of all time? I don’t think they even approach the discussion, much less be considered as candidates for the Mount Rushmore of their professions

Landry
Shula
Halas
Lombardi
Walsh
Parcells
Vermeil
Walsh
Knoll
Belichick
Gibbs
Brown
Lambeau

All well ahead of Shanny and Reid, imo.

ETA - I would take Jimmy Johnson and John Madden over both.

I have a hard time considering anyone that didn't get at least 100 wins, so JJ would be out for me.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The Mount Rushmore of Football:

Paul Brown - the inventor of modern football featuring the forward pass
George Walsh - the inventor of modern offensive football based on west coast offense and derivatives
Bill Belichick - the inventor of modern defensive football based on pattern matching secondary hybrid of zone and man
Vince Lombardi - the leader of men who spawned generations of derivatives (Parcells, Harbaughs, Reid, Tomlin, etc. etc.)

That's the list fellas. Pre-salary cap dynasty coaches don't make it to Mount Rushmore winning a few rings before the salary cap.

Landry over Walsh and it’s not close. I see your outdated offense and raise you the 4-3 defense and the shotgun formation.

I can see the case for Landry over Walsh, but to say "its not close" is a bit much. I'd probably have Landry 5 on my list but it gets fuzzy when trying to rank Hallas, Shanahan, Landry, Reid, etc etc

Shanahan? Reid?!?!?!

Blasphemous!!!!

I'm talking about Kyle's DAD in case that's not obvious. And Reid is brilliant and beloved by his players.

I know who you’re talking about.

You think Mike Shanahan and Andy Reid are two of the top head coaches…of all time? I don’t think they even approach the discussion, much less be considered as candidates for the Mount Rushmore of their professions

Landry
Shula
Halas
Lombardi
Walsh
Parcells
Vermeil
Walsh
Knoll
Belichick
Gibbs
Brown
Lambeau

All well ahead of Shanny and Reid, imo.

ETA - I would take Jimmy Johnson and John Madden over both.

I have a hard time considering anyone that didn't get at least 100 wins, so JJ would be out for me.

I only said I would take Jimmy over Shanny and Reid. He’s not on Mt Rushmore.

 

[need2know]

Patriots are very mediocre and not making the playoffs this year

 

[Kuz]

What about Bud Grant.. I'm from MN.. He at least made Super Bowls.. But lost all four