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HC Mike McCarthy, DAL (3 Viewers)
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Dallas is NOT a good organization. Have not been for 25 years. One of a handful of teams with no conference championship game appearances in recent memory, and what, two playoff wins in 15 or so years?
Jerry hires Jimmy. Jimmy built a dynasty and won titles. The post Jimmy record is clear as day (and please spare me the Barry Switzer won a title nonsense- that was ALL Jimmy. Jerry, on his own, might be close to the Elgin Baylor of the NFL.
turkishkamel
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Per NFL Network's Jane Slater, an unnamed Cowboys player said members of the coaching staff "aren't good at their jobs."
Another player said the coaches are "totally unprepared. They don't teach. They don't have any sense of adjusting on the fly."
Another player said the coaches are "totally unprepared. They don't teach. They don't have any sense of adjusting on the fly."
I-ROK
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There was a report that McCarthy would skip walk through a for a massage and things like that. I’m not at all surprised
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/04/report-mike-mccarthy-routinely-skipped-team-meetings-for-massages/
McCarthy is the epitome of not adjusting on the fly
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⚡DEADHEAD⚡
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yeah this is coming to an end early
Ministry of Pain
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BR on MM and it's going to get worse and worse for JJ and the Cowboys.
JJ says "Personnel Limitations" which is code for Daisy sucks at QB.
Could Dallas be looking for a QB trade so they can try and win a crummy division and make the playoffs even with a losing record and perhaps get embarrassed in the 1st round?
JJ says "Personnel Limitations" which is code for Daisy sucks at QB.
Could Dallas be looking for a QB trade so they can try and win a crummy division and make the playoffs even with a losing record and perhaps get embarrassed in the 1st round?
Cowboysfan8
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Deamon
Footballguy
Damn, not good. But McCarthy seemed like a knee jerk hire based on his name. As much of a #### as ARod is, it's pretty clear that McCarthy's offense was the problem. He has so much praise for his new coaches playcalling and they're doing so much better with less weapons. It's only a matter of time before McCarthy goes, but I think he gets another year. This year is just a write off for everyone, and with all the coaches already fired, it's not exactly the best year to hunt for a new coach.
Cowboysfan8
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left tackle Brandon Knight, left guard Connor Williams, rookie center Tyler Biadasz, right guard Connor McGovern and undrafted rookie right tackle Terence Steele.
good luck
good luck
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
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Where does he end up once he's fired? You'd think he should be able to get a coordinating job somewhere, but this guy seems like the exact opposite of a young innovative offensive mind.
Alex P Keaton
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Yup. He has a built in excuse this year due to COVID and Dak’s injury. But if they stink again next year, he won’t get another pass.
The Finist
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He is harble and it was never more obvious earlier in the year when not taking the 3 points. Feel sorry for the players. Dont feel sorry for Jerry Jones.
Manster
Footballguy
Perpetually overrated......always underperforming.
I thought Jerrah had taken a step back to let better football minds make decisions, but it's clear to me that GM Jerrah still can't get out of his own way. There's always a few key pieces missing. The secondary is garbage. He foolishly invested too much money in offensive skill position players, and now with the injuries, the lack of depth is showing through. I never liked the Zeke contract. imo, that money could've been better spent to improve the team/keep guys in other areas, like maybe the secondary.
I thought Jerrah had taken a step back to let better football minds make decisions, but it's clear to me that GM Jerrah still can't get out of his own way. There's always a few key pieces missing. The secondary is garbage. He foolishly invested too much money in offensive skill position players, and now with the injuries, the lack of depth is showing through. I never liked the Zeke contract. imo, that money could've been better spent to improve the team/keep guys in other areas, like maybe the secondary.
Alex P Keaton
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Really great question. Clearly not top-10. But also not bottom-5. So somewhere above Cincinnati but below New England.Joe Bryant said:
Cowboysfan8
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I-ROK
Footballguy
Are you suggesting a coach is never at fault for what their teams do on the field?
I-ROK
Footballguy
Definitely overrated, living off of the moxie from the 90s to this day. The talent they’ve had and the inability to assemble top teams is a bit of a black eye that is hard to ignore.Joe Bryant said:
I won’t put an exact number to it but for now I’ll say in the 17-24 range. It’s tough because that entire division is pretty bad over the last several years. It’s telling that the Cowboys are run so badly but always in the fight for the top slot. In the last 20 years I’d say the Giants have been the best managed in that division, next Dallas, then PHI, and Washington last. However that’s not really a major vote of confidence in NY
Cowboysfan8
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I-ROK
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It's an interesting discussion.
A ton of how I'd rank an organization is if they're able to draft / obtain / develop a QB that plays well.
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You still have your main weapon at QB. Consider YOURSELF lucky.Deamon said:
although Philly may have a few more injured players, it starts with the QB and Dak was playing lights out. It’s obvious now how great he was considering he was working with this dumpster fire Oline and defense.
Mr.Pack
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The knock on him the past few years in Green Bay was his inability to make adjustments at halftime. It was always the same game plan on Offense and Defense. It was maddening.Cowboysfan8 said:
Same thing I saw yesterday, no adjustments at all, plus the players quit so that didn't help.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Agree completely. Wentz willed the Eagles to within a few points of a victory against vaunted Pittsburgh and Baltimore while playing with an offense composed primarily of backups, projects, grocery baggers and DC that can’t coach himself out of a paper bag.You still have your main weapon at QB. Consider YOURSELF lucky.
although Philly may have a few more injured players, it starts with the QB and Dak was playing lights out. It’s obvious now how great he was considering he was working with this dumpster fire Oline and defense.
Zeke on the other hand
From founding to 1995- top five.Joe Bryant said:
From 1995-2020- bottom third.
Cowboys have been living on legacy for 25 years and are remarkable for a chronic level of underachieving. As a lifelong fan who can go back to the tail end of the 70s, the contrast is stark and ghastly. A cornerstone franchise has deteriorated into a punch line.
modogg
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Eagles aren't even playing with back-ups. Heck, they aren't even playing with the back'up's back-up. They have 2 starters they grabbed from other team's practice squads on their starting offense right now, and quite a few 3rd string guys. it will be easier to see how legit they are when they get at least some of their starters back.You still have your main weapon at QB. Consider YOURSELF lucky.
although Philly may have a few more injured players, it starts with the QB and Dak was playing lights out. It’s obvious now how great he was considering he was working with this dumpster fire Oline and defense.
defense is better than most are giving them credit for. Eagles defense has had the worst starting field position for a majority of the season. Not to give them excuses though, there are certainly some holes on that defensive side too.
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dickey moe
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Deamon
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a FEW?!?!You still have your main weapon at QB. Consider YOURSELF lucky.
although Philly may have a few more injured players, it starts with the QB and Dak was playing lights out. It’s obvious now how great he was considering he was working with this dumpster fire Oline and defense.
+ Peters and Reagor. That's 16 of our most important 19 offensive players that are out.
Yes, but not your MOST important. But, yes you’ve made it clear in multiple forums that you have a lot of guys hurt.
This season sucks for a lot of our teams, but nobody has lost the whole offensive line AND their QB to season ending injury except one.
Deamon
Footballguy
Well ya, it's pretty incredible and improbable to lose 90% of your offense! It's silly to argue 'who is affected by injuries more', and I'm mainly being facetious about the whole thing.... But if it ever came down to that debate unfortunately (for us I guess) Philly is worse off.Yes, but not your MOST important. But, yes you’ve made it clear in multiple forums that you have a lot of guys hurt.
Yeah, they should deserve some credit for both Romo and Dak, and they've won their fair share of games as an organization in the last 25 years, but no more than their fair share. 4-10 playoff record with 4 wild card wins in the last 25 years. Sure, that's better than the dregs of the league, but it's not particularly good either.
That’s your opinion, so it is debatable. However I see that I apparently value Wentz more than you do as the #1 part of the Eagles success, as I also value Dak more than you do as the reason for Dallas success. Unfortunately (for us I guess) the Cowboys lost him for the year. No chance Dallas wins anything but a high draft pick now. Injuries suck.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Ok. I didn't put a detailed framework together, but if I did it would include things like:Joe Bryant said:
- Track record of success on the field
- Consistency and quality of coaching hires
- Consistency and quality of drafting and developing talent
- "Culture" including ownership approach
Others who think about it longer than 3 minutes could probably figure out a better framework. But here is a stab at rankings over the past 2 decades (in no order within categories):
Elite: New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay
Good: Philly, New Orleans, Seattle, Indy (ok....Irsay might move this down)
Average: Denver, NY Giants, Dallas, Atlanta, Minnesota, KC, LA Chargers
Mediocre: Carolina, Tennessee, Chicago, Tampa Bay, San Fran, LA Rams
Struggling: Miami, Arizona, Houston, Las Vegas, Buffalo
Permanent Train Wreck: Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Washington, NY Jets
Just one person's take. No claim that the above is a definitive statement.
Deamon
Footballguy
Nah I definitely see Wentz' value. But his own value takes a massive hit when he is missing his RB1, WR1, WR2, WR3, WR4, TE1, TE2. Dallas is missing QB1, TE1. At least they still have 3 great receivers and a great RB.
The injuries suck for both teams for sure, it could be the Giants' year to sneak in.
Deamon
Footballguy
That's actually a great list. I wouldn't move too much there. I think a lot of your "struggling" are on the upswing though and could move up quickly in the list with their new coaches and QB's.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Perhaps, but Dalton won you the game last week. This week? Those fumbles put the team in a hole - and everything fell apart.Yes, but not your MOST important. But, yes you’ve made it clear in multiple forums that you have a lot of guys hurt.
It's premature to write off Dallas because of that - Zeke isn't going to fumble the game away most weeks, and Dalton is good enough to keep them in the game if they don't put it all on him.
The bigger issue isn't losing Dak, it's that defense. If the defense can turn it around, Dallas will win the division. If not.....
Manster
Footballguy
Jerry Jones.....a visionary businessman and a below average NFL GM. The legacy of his ownership is marred by disrespecting Landry, and running Jimmy outa town.......and obviously his subsequent platueing into mediocrity. In some ways it doesn't matter. He has an empire whether the Cowboys win or not, but he's driven to get the credit for football success, and that's his downfall. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I was so, so wrong about this hire. If they wanted someone to lose just enough to never separate themselves in the worst division in football, they could have kept Garrett.
To me, when judging an organization, you have to factor in whether players actually want to play there. The Cowboys have state-of-the-art facilities, and by all accounts they treat their players well (they don't cheap out on the little things). Jones has a lot of influence in the league. There's still prestige associated with playing in Dallas.
I think they're basically New England without the winning. That sounds absurd to a fan, where winning is all that matters. But football is a business. The team has players who sell jerseys. To the other players I think Dallas is still a very attractive destination. And that makes them a solid organization, even if they're an unsuccessful one.
To me, when judging an organization, you have to factor in whether players actually want to play there. The Cowboys have state-of-the-art facilities, and by all accounts they treat their players well (they don't cheap out on the little things). Jones has a lot of influence in the league. There's still prestige associated with playing in Dallas.
I think they're basically New England without the winning. That sounds absurd to a fan, where winning is all that matters. But football is a business. The team has players who sell jerseys. To the other players I think Dallas is still a very attractive destination. And that makes them a solid organization, even if they're an unsuccessful one.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
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Good point. But even if the defense turns it around and they win the division, then what? They can't hang with Seattle. Maybe New Orleans on a bad Brees day. Maybe Green Bay if they lay an egg like they did last weekend. But if those teams bring even their C+ game, an improved Dallas defense still can't keep up with them. They could beat Chicago, I guess. But Foles is weird. You can't count him out of anything (or in anything).
And that doesn't count the AFC. What likely playoff team in the AFC could they beat? Buffalo? Indy?
If you have a historically-bad defense, you'd better have a superior offense or amazing coaching. Dallas has neither. Elliott is wasting his prime years in Dallas.
AndrewClark
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AndrewClark
Footballguy
Great post Alex. Great read and I was going to make a counterpoint but I think your list is spot on
AndrewClark
Footballguy
The only thing I question is New England at the top w 26 mil in cap space doing nothing. However that's this year and your list is for 20 years.
This thread is a good example of what a board can be.
Most threads, on any topic, are pretty predictable.
Poster #1 says something.
Poster #2 disagrees.
Poster #1 replies.
Poster #2 replies this time adding a bit of snark or condescension implying poster #1 is maybe a Homer / Troll / Doesn't Know What They're Talking About
Then others chime in with mostly: "No, actually _________ is awesome."
Followed by, "No, actually __________ is terrible".
What we did here was break the cycle. This was headed for 2 more pages of Dallas Sucks vs Dallas Is Good.
Turning it into "Let's talk about how Dallas fits into the ranking among the 32 teams" is like laying down a 7 letter word in the middle of a scrabble board. You can build off it and talk about things and move the discussion way more into rational talk comparing where a team ranks by actually considering the other teams instead of staying at the surface level of "Dallas rules / Dallas sucks".
We can do this.
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