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HC Mike McCarthy, FA - The Countdown in Dallas has ended, where to next? (1 Viewer)

First, JJ and his son and grandson whoever need to get out of the GM business and just own the team. Sit in the owners suite drinking and entertaining their friends.

Then Jerry needs to do what the Lions did 4 years ago. Find a GM that is a top notch scouting/player personal director right now, then find an up and coming coach like Aaron Glenn, tough but smart and let them try get the team going. I would also think about trading Prescott for some picks but it would be tough with his injuries and contract.
 
Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).
I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.
I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?


As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.
You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.
Talk about Cherry picking, now you're making excuses for all the times his offenses sucked lol.

And yes subsequent success has bearing on McCarthy. Again, GB fans wanted him out for a while, Dallas fans did too. He's not a good coach, I guess we'll see who rushes to hire him this year.
 
To ask out loud, how do you not tie the game with a FG in a very competitive back and forth that at times saw your team behind 7-0, 13-7 before you took the lead right before the half. Then you trailed 20-14 for much of the way in the 2nd half, claw your way to within a FG, get an opp in the 4th to tie the game not knowing if you will get another chance to do that and your defense hasn't been lights out but on the whole has kept the Rams offense within reason much of the way. The Rams had to work long and hard to move the ball, they weren't quick striking on Dallas so a FG to tie at that point was the absolute best idea, you don't gamble that away like this is an XP/2Pt conversion argument. You take the FG try and hopefully make it, take the 3 points and you have a 20-20 ball game with about 10 Minutes to go int he 4th, you like your chances.

But we'll hear from other members of the gallery now, what say you? I used to dislike McCarthy a lot and thought his Super Bowl win when the team was at one point I believe 6-7, 7-6, they went on a run that made him look like a genius for a couple years until he wasn't. I was dumbfounded by his decision and if I owned the team I would have a stern talking to him about wasting opportunities. This wasn't the DC FC and you want to make a statement, Rams are off a Super Bowl 2 seasons ago and I think they won 10 games last year and missed the playoffs, they're not a bad team.

I'm glad he's out of Green Bay. And I was glad the Cowboys hired him. He's not the amazing coach he's being made out to be. He rode Aaron's coattails for years.

Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Spiderman meme.

McCarthy is Aaron Rodgers' waterboy, nothing more.

I’m pretty sure there were a lot of people who scoffed at the Cowboys when they first hired him. He’s not a good coach.
it was obvious from the start that he wasn't going to take Dallas anywhere. 1-3 in the playoffs when you're favoured 3 of those 4 games, just doesn't cut it. That's on coaching.
 
Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).
I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.
I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?


As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.
You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.
Talk about Cherry picking, now you're making excuses for all the times his offenses sucked lol.

And yes subsequent success has bearing on McCarthy. Again, GB fans wanted him out for a while, Dallas fans did too. He's not a good coach, I guess we'll see who rushes to hire him this year.

McCarthy has had really good success with his offenses. In his 24 years as a HC/OC

Top 5 scoring offense: 11 times
6-10: 3 times
11-15: 5 times
16+: 5 times
 
Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).
I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.
I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?


As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.
You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.
Talk about Cherry picking, now you're making excuses for all the times his offenses sucked lol.

And yes subsequent success has bearing on McCarthy. Again, GB fans wanted him out for a while, Dallas fans did too. He's not a good coach, I guess we'll see who rushes to hire him this year.

McCarthy has had really good success with his offenses. In his 24 years as a HC/OC

Top 5 scoring offense: 11 times
6-10: 3 times
11-15: 5 times
16+: 5 times
he's had a lot of good weapons, and good regular season success but awful when it matters most.

He's basically this year's Sam Darnold of coaches.
 
Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).
I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.
I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?


As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.
You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.
Talk about Cherry picking, now you're making excuses for all the times his offenses sucked lol.

And yes subsequent success has bearing on McCarthy. Again, GB fans wanted him out for a while, Dallas fans did too. He's not a good coach, I guess we'll see who rushes to hire him this year.
He already has interviews with Chicago and New Orleans.
 
Talk about Cherry picking, now you're making excuses for all the times his offenses sucked lol.
I am?
yes.
Which part?
All
Okay, so let's break down which of his offenses sucked. Start here:
Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.
Is that cherry picking in your eyes.
 
Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).
I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.
I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?


As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.
You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.
Old school:

1. Believes in running the ball to set up the pass
2. Philosophy was built around individual guys beating their defenders 1-on-1 instead of incorporating motion or “rub routes” to scheme guys open
3. Consistently shows clock mgmt ineptitude that baffles 10 year olds who play Madden


McCarthy is an above average HC who has been an exceptional developer of QBs over the years. He’s got a gift for coming up with brilliant game scripts at exactly the right time for big, in-season matchups. He’s also prone to horrific conservatism at exactly the wrong time in the postseason.

Just my two cents as a Packer fan
 
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To ask out loud, how do you not tie the game with a FG in a very competitive back and forth that at times saw your team behind 7-0, 13-7 before you took the lead right before the half. Then you trailed 20-14 for much of the way in the 2nd half, claw your way to within a FG, get an opp in the 4th to tie the game not knowing if you will get another chance to do that and your defense hasn't been lights out but on the whole has kept the Rams offense within reason much of the way. The Rams had to work long and hard to move the ball, they weren't quick striking on Dallas so a FG to tie at that point was the absolute best idea, you don't gamble that away like this is an XP/2Pt conversion argument. You take the FG try and hopefully make it, take the 3 points and you have a 20-20 ball game with about 10 Minutes to go int he 4th, you like your chances.

But we'll hear from other members of the gallery now, what say you? I used to dislike McCarthy a lot and thought his Super Bowl win when the team was at one point I believe 6-7, 7-6, they went on a run that made him look like a genius for a couple years until he wasn't. I was dumbfounded by his decision and if I owned the team I would have a stern talking to him about wasting opportunities. This wasn't the DC FC and you want to make a statement, Rams are off a Super Bowl 2 seasons ago and I think they won 10 games last year and missed the playoffs, they're not a bad team.

I'm glad he's out of Green Bay. And I was glad the Cowboys hired him. He's not the amazing coach he's being made out to be. He rode Aaron's coattails for years.

Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Spiderman meme.

McCarthy is Aaron Rodgers' waterboy, nothing more.

I’m pretty sure there were a lot of people who scoffed at the Cowboys when they first hired him. He’s not a good coach.
it was obvious from the start that he wasn't going to take Dallas anywhere. 1-3 in the playoffs when you're favoured 3 of those 4 games, just doesn't cut it. That's on coaching.
I feel honored, thank you
:bowtie:
 
To ask out loud, how do you not tie the game with a FG in a very competitive back and forth that at times saw your team behind 7-0, 13-7 before you took the lead right before the half. Then you trailed 20-14 for much of the way in the 2nd half, claw your way to within a FG, get an opp in the 4th to tie the game not knowing if you will get another chance to do that and your defense hasn't been lights out but on the whole has kept the Rams offense within reason much of the way. The Rams had to work long and hard to move the ball, they weren't quick striking on Dallas so a FG to tie at that point was the absolute best idea, you don't gamble that away like this is an XP/2Pt conversion argument. You take the FG try and hopefully make it, take the 3 points and you have a 20-20 ball game with about 10 Minutes to go int he 4th, you like your chances.

But we'll hear from other members of the gallery now, what say you? I used to dislike McCarthy a lot and thought his Super Bowl win when the team was at one point I believe 6-7, 7-6, they went on a run that made him look like a genius for a couple years until he wasn't. I was dumbfounded by his decision and if I owned the team I would have a stern talking to him about wasting opportunities. This wasn't the DC FC and you want to make a statement, Rams are off a Super Bowl 2 seasons ago and I think they won 10 games last year and missed the playoffs, they're not a bad team.

I'm glad he's out of Green Bay. And I was glad the Cowboys hired him. He's not the amazing coach he's being made out to be. He rode Aaron's coattails for years.

Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Spiderman meme.

McCarthy is Aaron Rodgers' waterboy, nothing more.

I’m pretty sure there were a lot of people who scoffed at the Cowboys when they first hired him. He’s not a good coach.
it was obvious from the start that he wasn't going to take Dallas anywhere. 1-3 in the playoffs when you're favoured 3 of those 4 games, just doesn't cut it. That's on coaching.
**IMPORTANT UPDATE**
Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer. Spiderman meme.
 
He’s being pencilled in in New Orleans. Still socializes with Mickey Loomis in the off-seasons.
Some reporting that they wanted to hire him but ironically, considering what you are saying about his relationship with Loomis, came down to a question of him wanting more power which was difficult in a spot where the GM is quite possibly the most powerful non-owner GM in the league.

I think it's quite possible that both Brian Schottenheimer and Kellen Moore will get hired to jobs that both teams preferred McCarty but he passed due to the arrangement/structure.
 
Feel like I've heard this before when he took a year off before going to Dallas
-Quite frankly, a year removed from the field can do these guys a world of good

-Vrabel in New England has had a year to take a sep back and watch everyone on Sundays while making notes in his book.
-Carroll has had a little time off the field and feels he still can compete and get it done. A lot of the things people didn't like about the LVR is the exact reasons why he's going there
And Tom Brady, the opp to be his first HC hire where he had a heavy hand in it, Carroll fits the bill for now. I expect a complete makeover in Vegas and a restore to order
 

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