HC Mike McCarthy, FA - The Countdown in Dallas has ended, where to next? (1 Viewer)

[Snotbubbles]

Dallas is a joke of an organization. Why deny permission? Either re-sign the guy or let him talk to other teams. Jerry Jones is a clown.

I assume he’s coming back and they are just working out the details.
But yeah, everyone knows that JJ is a clown

I assume he is coming back also, but on a one year deal. Actually, three straight 12-5 seasons was pretty good. This year the wheels came off early and blew up the whole show. So many injuries and to most of the "stars". New D coordinator took half the year for the players to figure out the system. O-line was a wreck. No production at RB until last third of the season. Only one good WR all year. If everyone comes back next year, including McCarthy, and they are healthy, I could see another 12-5 season. Now the playoffs, that's another story. Is that on the coach, Dak or what ? They need to figure that out next year or blow the whole things up.

You don't lame duck your head coach, he should have been re-signed last offseason.

Should have been re-signed or should have resigned?

either/or, you don't lame duck a professional coach

 

[need2know]

This clown is still gonna be coach of dem boyz

 

[fatness]

Since Jerry Jones never wants to admit making mistakes, if I was McCarthy I'd ask for a huge amount of money to sign a new contract as HC. Jerry could then pay up or be wrong.

 

[Dizzy]

Cowboys have a 2-week exclusive negotiating window while other teams are interviewing/hiring coaches?

Mike McCarthy's agent must work for the Cowboys.

 

[culdeus]

Thing is you let MC go the candidate list is super thin. Bring back Carroll or go deep into coordinator landscape.? Neither are great

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Thing is you let MC go the candidate list is super thin. Bring back Carroll or go deep into coordinator landscape.? Neither are great

I’ll say the same thing I said before they hired MM. Let’s be done with the retreads and get some new blood in here

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Anyone but Deion and his son.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Anyone but Deion and his son.

This too

 

[Pickle Rody]

Anyone but Deion and his son.

I don't think you guys need to worry about this much at all. I believe Davis and the Raiders have the resources and draft capital to get this done. Whereas Jones and the Cowboys do not. At least, not the draft capital.

eta: I would not wish this upon you folks either. Let the Raiders have them.

 

[metoo]

Dallas is a joke of an organization. Why deny permission? Either re-sign the guy or let him talk to other teams. Jerry Jones is a clown.

I agree. And as a fan, Jerry isn’t getting any of my money. No more flying to games or buying paraphernalia. I refuse to let him waste my time. I wish more fans would stop letting him play in our faces.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Speaks volumes for the lack of good head coaching candidates

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Looks like it's officially over in Dallas.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I've compared McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton in these threads before due to their remarkably similar head coaching careers. Each has won one superbowl, three of them with an NFL HoF level QB and Harbaugh with Joe Flacco. Each has coached good and bad teams over the years. McCarthy and Tomlin have 18 seasons, Payton and Harbaugh 17 seasons.

Payton (2006) made the playoffs 10 times and won 9 playoff games. Overall record is 170-105 (.618) and 9-9 in the playoffs
Tomlin (2007) made the playoffs 12 times and won 8 playoff games. Overall record is 183-107 (.630) and 8-11 in the playoffs
McCarthy (2006) made the playoffs 12 times and won 11 playoff games. Overall record is 174-112 (.608) and 11-11 in the playoffs
Harbaugh (2008) made the playoffs 12 times and won 13 playoff games. Overall record is 172-104 (.623) and 13-10 in the playoffs

McCarthy has now (reportedly) been fired twice, whereas Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton have not been fired in their NFL head coaching careers.

Several of the Harbaugh and Tomlin playoff games were against each other including this past Saturday. McCarthy's superbowl win was against Tomlin, Rodgers v. Big Ben.

 

[Donnybrook]

I remember when Trey Lance was going to resurrect his career under Mike McCarthy's tutelage. i love it when Dallas Fans act like Jerry knows what he is doing.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I remember when Trey Lance was going to resurrect his career under Mike McCarthy's tutelage. i love it when Dallas Fans act like Jerry knows what he is doing.

I’ve never heard or read anyone saying either of those things

 

[Donnybrook]

I remember when Trey Lance was going to resurrect his career under Mike McCarthy's tutelage. i love it when Dallas Fans act like Jerry knows what he is doing.

I’ve never heard or read anyone saying either of those things

I apologize it was a delusional 49ers fan that said all those things:
https://x.com/i/status/1695233097435156743

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I remember when Trey Lance was going to resurrect his career under Mike McCarthy's tutelage. i love it when Dallas Fans act like Jerry knows what he is doing.

I’ve never heard or read anyone saying either of those things

I apologize it was a delusional 49ers fan that said all those things:
https://x.com/i/status/1695233097435156743

Oh boy that guy had some ideas

 

[travdogg]

The Jets have a chance to do the funniest thing

 

[sm8680]

CletiusMaximus..... Even though Sean Payton wasn't fired. He more or less was traded. Another way of dispatching a HC.

 

[Instinctive]

I've compared McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton in these threads before due to their remarkably similar head coaching careers. Each has won one superbowl, three of them with an NFL HoF level QB and Harbaugh with Joe Flacco. Each has coached good and bad teams over the years. McCarthy and Tomlin have 18 seasons, Payton and Harbaugh 17 seasons.

Payton (2006) made the playoffs 10 times and won 9 playoff games. Overall record is 170-105 (.618) and 9-9 in the playoffs
Tomlin (2007) made the playoffs 12 times and won 8 playoff games. Overall record is 183-107 (.630) and 8-11 in the playoffs
McCarthy (2006) made the playoffs 12 times and won 11 playoff games. Overall record is 174-112 (.608) and 11-11 in the playoffs
Harbaugh (2008) made the playoffs 12 times and won 13 playoff games. Overall record is 172-104 (.623) and 13-10 in the playoffs

McCarthy has now (reportedly) been fired twice, whereas Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton have not been fired in their NFL head coaching careers.

Several of the Harbaugh and Tomlin playoff games were against each other including this past Saturday. McCarthy's superbowl win was against Tomlin, Rodgers v. Big Ben.

I think it's probably worth noting that McCarthy has consistently had the most talented QB and remaining rosters among those teams and underachieved. Harbaugh and Tomlin IMO have almost always overachieved their rosters.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I've compared McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton in these threads before due to their remarkably similar head coaching careers. Each has won one superbowl, three of them with an NFL HoF level QB and Harbaugh with Joe Flacco. Each has coached good and bad teams over the years. McCarthy and Tomlin have 18 seasons, Payton and Harbaugh 17 seasons.

Payton (2006) made the playoffs 10 times and won 9 playoff games. Overall record is 170-105 (.618) and 9-9 in the playoffs
Tomlin (2007) made the playoffs 12 times and won 8 playoff games. Overall record is 183-107 (.630) and 8-11 in the playoffs
McCarthy (2006) made the playoffs 12 times and won 11 playoff games. Overall record is 174-112 (.608) and 11-11 in the playoffs
Harbaugh (2008) made the playoffs 12 times and won 13 playoff games. Overall record is 172-104 (.623) and 13-10 in the playoffs

McCarthy has now (reportedly) been fired twice, whereas Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton have not been fired in their NFL head coaching careers.

Several of the Harbaugh and Tomlin playoff games were against each other including this past Saturday. McCarthy's superbowl win was against Tomlin, Rodgers v. Big Ben.

I think it's probably worth noting that McCarthy has consistently had the most talented QB and remaining rosters among those teams and underachieved. Harbaugh and Tomlin IMO have almost always overachieved their rosters.

Interesting, I was in the PIT thread and they all want Tomlin fired for underachieving with all the supposed talent the Steelers have.

 

[Instinctive]

I've compared McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton in these threads before due to their remarkably similar head coaching careers. Each has won one superbowl, three of them with an NFL HoF level QB and Harbaugh with Joe Flacco. Each has coached good and bad teams over the years. McCarthy and Tomlin have 18 seasons, Payton and Harbaugh 17 seasons.

Payton (2006) made the playoffs 10 times and won 9 playoff games. Overall record is 170-105 (.618) and 9-9 in the playoffs
Tomlin (2007) made the playoffs 12 times and won 8 playoff games. Overall record is 183-107 (.630) and 8-11 in the playoffs
McCarthy (2006) made the playoffs 12 times and won 11 playoff games. Overall record is 174-112 (.608) and 11-11 in the playoffs
Harbaugh (2008) made the playoffs 12 times and won 13 playoff games. Overall record is 172-104 (.623) and 13-10 in the playoffs

McCarthy has now (reportedly) been fired twice, whereas Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton have not been fired in their NFL head coaching careers.

Several of the Harbaugh and Tomlin playoff games were against each other including this past Saturday. McCarthy's superbowl win was against Tomlin, Rodgers v. Big Ben.

I think it's probably worth noting that McCarthy has consistently had the most talented QB and remaining rosters among those teams and underachieved. Harbaugh and Tomlin IMO have almost always overachieved their rosters.

Interesting, I was in the PIT thread and they all want Tomlin fired for underachieving with all the supposed talent the Steelers have.

Lol. I would hire Tomlin in an instant. QB has SUCKED for them for a loooooong time now.

The PIT fans should look at those left and ask if Washed Wilson or Fields fit with the others HAHA

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I think they should have went out and tried to get Varabel or maybe they did and he just wanted NE more.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I've compared McCarthy, Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton in these threads before due to their remarkably similar head coaching careers. Each has won one superbowl, three of them with an NFL HoF level QB and Harbaugh with Joe Flacco. Each has coached good and bad teams over the years. McCarthy and Tomlin have 18 seasons, Payton and Harbaugh 17 seasons.

Payton (2006) made the playoffs 10 times and won 9 playoff games. Overall record is 170-105 (.618) and 9-9 in the playoffs
Tomlin (2007) made the playoffs 12 times and won 8 playoff games. Overall record is 183-107 (.630) and 8-11 in the playoffs
McCarthy (2006) made the playoffs 12 times and won 11 playoff games. Overall record is 174-112 (.608) and 11-11 in the playoffs
Harbaugh (2008) made the playoffs 12 times and won 13 playoff games. Overall record is 172-104 (.623) and 13-10 in the playoffs

McCarthy has now (reportedly) been fired twice, whereas Tomlin, Harbaugh and Payton have not been fired in their NFL head coaching careers.

Several of the Harbaugh and Tomlin playoff games were against each other including this past Saturday. McCarthy's superbowl win was against Tomlin, Rodgers v. Big Ben.

I think it's probably worth noting that McCarthy has consistently had the most talented QB and remaining rosters among those teams and underachieved. Harbaugh and Tomlin IMO have almost always overachieved their rosters.

I’m not going to dispute this necessarily but I think all the variables more or less even out over 17 years. Harbaugh and Tomlin have had great quarterbacks and great defenses for many seasons. My hot take is that people just don’t like McCarthy and most are probably surprised his numbers are comparable to these other guys. McCarthy has a street named after him in Green Bay and they fired him with several games left that season to great applause from the fans. He went through hell leading the team through that circus summer transitioning from Favre to Rodgers, with fans jeering him at training camp and Favre showing up uninvited for scrimmages. Then he joined another untenable circus in Dallas with that clownshow ownership and still has done nothing but keep winning and going to the playoffs years after year.

 

[Faust]

Cowboys' 2024 roster didn't set Mike McCarthy up to succeed

 

[Chaka]

Dude gets no respect.

 

[Deamon]

Dude gets no respect.

I think the opposite. He hasn't really done anything since he stopped coaching Rodgers.

 

[Chaka]

Dude gets no respect.

I think the opposite. He hasn't really done anything since he stopped coaching Rodgers.

McCarthy has just as many Super Bowls as Aaron Rodgers since he left Green Bay.

 

[Deamon]

Dude gets no respect.

I think the opposite. He hasn't really done anything since he stopped coaching Rodgers.

McCarthy has just as many Super Bowls as Aaron Rodgers since he left Green Bay.

ya he hasn't been that great either.

I just see him as totally stuck in the past and not very innovative. Might be okay if he becomes a CEO coach and has a great young mind calling plays on offense.

 

[Chaka]

Dude gets no respect.

I think the opposite. He hasn't really done anything since he stopped coaching Rodgers.

McCarthy has just as many Super Bowls as Aaron Rodgers since he left Green Bay.

ya he hasn't been that great either.

I just see him as totally stuck in the past and not very innovative. Might be okay if he becomes a CEO coach and has a great young mind calling plays on offense.

He put together top four scores offenses in three of the last five seasons, #1 twice. The other two seasons Dak missed 11 & 9 games.

 

[Gatorade]

Dude gets no respect.

I think the opposite. He hasn't really done anything since he stopped coaching Rodgers.

most teams would consider three straight 12 wins season very good.
now, the playoff failures are a different story.

 

[Chaka]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

how is Nick relevant in a McCarthy thread? Y'all can't even help yourselves.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

how is Nick relevant in a McCarthy thread? Y'all can't even help yourselves.

You are the one who brought up our favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys. It’s really all you ever talk about.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

It's amazing how football fans pick and choose which coaches get credit for developing star players. You almost never hear McCarthy spoken about as a qb guru. Does he get credit for developing Rodgers? How can't he? Dak is not an elite talent by any means but now he's a big star and the highest paid player in league history. His coach? Ahh he's a joke.

Lifelong Bears fan here and I'd be very happy with McCarthy. A guy who has coached in and won big games is much needed. And Caleb could use more structure to his game.

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

how is Nick relevant in a McCarthy thread? Y'all can't even help yourselves.

You are the one who brought up our favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys. It’s really all you ever talk about.

I brought up McCarthy in a McCarthy thread

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

how is Nick relevant in a McCarthy thread? Y'all can't even help yourselves.

You are the one who brought up our favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys. It’s really all you ever talk about.

I brought up McCarthy in a McCarthy thread

You don’t remember bringing up the Dallas Cowboys? You literally wrote the words, Dallas.

Incredible

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

Trust, me we love your coach too. Unfortunately your GM keeps giving him well constructed teams that even a complete lunatic can lead.

how is Nick relevant in a McCarthy thread? Y'all can't even help yourselves.

You are the one who brought up our favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys. It’s really all you ever talk about.

I brought up McCarthy in a McCarthy thread

You don’t remember bringing up the Dallas Cowboys? You literally wrote the words, Dallas.

Incredible

Yes, because he was most recently the coach of Dallas.

Your trolling needs some serious work apparently.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

In his 5 yrs there he won the division as many times as your team did. Is that why you loved him?

 

[Deamon]

As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

In his 5 yrs there he won the division as many times as your team did. Is that why you loved him?

Yet never made it past the first round.

Not a good coach. Par for the course for Dallas though.

 

[Chaka]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

 

[Pickle Rody]

It is all Dak's fault.....

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

Wait ... Why are you not sure he developed Rodgers? And didn't he develop Dak? Dak was never a mega talent. He's a huge star now. What's with the cherry picking???

 

[IHEARTFF]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

Wait ... Why are you not sure he developed Rodgers? And didn't he develop Dak? Dak was never a mega talent. He's a huge star now. What's with the cherry picking???

I don't think he was bad for Dak at all, but Dak was already pretty good before he got there. They had the #1 yardage offense in 2019 before McCarthy came in 2020.

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

Wait ... Why are you not sure he developed Rodgers? And didn't he develop Dak? Dak was never a mega talent. He's a huge star now. What's with the cherry picking???

I think he rode Rodgers' coattails for a lot of his time in Green Bay. Go back and read the first couple pages of this thread, it was a fairly consistent stance.

Dak is a huge star now? Didn't know that. Dallas had a top 3 passing offense in the entire league the year BEFORE McCarthy got there.

 

[Deamon]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

Wait ... Why are you not sure he developed Rodgers? And didn't he develop Dak? Dak was never a mega talent. He's a huge star now. What's with the cherry picking???

I don't think he was bad for Dak at all, but Dak was already pretty good before he got there. They had the #1 yardage offense in 2019 before McCarthy came in 2020.

Yep, this.

And he did a terrible job developing co-ordinators into Head Coaches.

 

[Chaka]

Five losing seasons in a 19 year coaching career. Three of those he lost his starting QB for the majority of the season.

Not saying he's Andy Reid or Bill Belichick but they wouldn't be who they are either without Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady (or Donovan McNabb).

I think he was good, but isn't adapting very much as a coach. As a division rival fan, I absolutely loved the hire when Dallas made it.

I guess I am just not sure what you mean by "adapting". He develops star players, his coaches get hired away and he puts top five offenses on the field on a regular basis. What kind of adapting should he be doing?

As for developing players:
As QB coach for 5 years with the Chiefs, his QBs were Bono, Grbac, and Gannon.
As O-coord for 5 years with the Saints, the starting QB the whole time was Aaron Brooks.
As HC for 13 years with the Packers, he had Rodgers the entire time. I'm not sure he 'developed' Rodgers, but maybe he did.

As for his coaches getting hired right away:
This one confused me.
He had 6 OC's under him in Green Bay. None are Head Coaches. (The ones with the most success after leaving him were Philbin and Hackett... lol)
He had 2 OC's under him in Dallas. Neither of them are Head Coaches.

I feel he's an old school head coach stuck in his ways, and not in the same tier as Harbaugh/Reid/Bill. His playoff record in Dallas was 1-3... with 2 of those 3 losses being at home as favourites. Wasn't a good hire by Dallas, and I can't see teams falling over themselves trying to hire him now.

You seem dead set against this guy. He consistently wins, consistently gets top play from his QBs, consistently puts top offenses on the field (and no shortage of top defenses too).

McCarthy coached GB for three seasons before Rodgers got his shot. He coached him for 13 seasons. It it fair to say he had a positive impact on Rodgers development. It isn't a maybe, it's a yes.

Regarding other QBs: New Orleans was his OC job in the NFL and he coached Brooks, a limited QB at best, to his five best seasons. Brooks was notably worse after McCarthy left and was out of the league within two years, at age 30.

I don't know what to say about Grbac, Bono and Gannon not thriving with him as the QB coach. Any success and failures have to trickle up through noted offensive geniuses Paul Hackett and Marty Schottenheimer. Bono's best year happened to coincide (and it could easily be conicidence) with McCarthy's first year as QB coach. Grbac and Gannon each started 16 games over two seasons in KC after Bono. And Gannon played well enough to parlay that stint into the starting QB job in Oakland. These aren't major McCarthy accomplishments but you can't simply point to Bono/Grbac/Gannon and say "See, he did nothing." Because that doesn't tell the story at all.

McCarthy has had coordinators and position coaches hired from his staff to bigger jobs. Their subsequent successes and failures have no bearing on McCarthy. McCarthy run teams made them look good enough to get opportunities, that's the relevant factor. Joe Phibin was hired from his staff to be a HC. Ben McAdoo to the Giants. Dan Quinn to the Commanders (hiring the right guys is part of being a HC, you can't ignore it just because he coached defense). Patrick Graham was hired away from his staff as LB coach to become DC in Miami. And Nathaniel Hackett wasn't on McCarthy's staff in GB.

What is "old school" about him? You want to tell me Mike Tomlin is "old school" and I'm on board with you but McCarthy? Does he not play the analytics game well enough? Please explain it.