HC Mike Tomlin, PIT (3 Viewers)

[Steelers4Life]

Living in your fears gets you nowhere.

Nobody wants a McCarthy type here. Shanny, LaFleur, or McVay type yes please and thank you.

McCarthy type? Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Who cares?

To replace Tomlin with someone who's coaching philosophy can win in today's NFL would be a step up. Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed.

Or, at minimum, an innovative OC who has a different mindset than he has.Tomlin has proven himself to be awful at hiring assistants though.

That description sounds exactly like the Philadelphia Eagles under Sirianni.

Except they had Kellen Moore running a far less predictable offense and Fangio running a disciplined defense. Why? Because they hired good assistants, something Tomlin has never been able or willing to do.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Living in your fears gets you nowhere.

Nobody wants a McCarthy type here. Shanny, LaFleur, or McVay type yes please and thank you.

McCarthy type? Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Who cares?

To replace Tomlin with someone who's coaching philosophy can win in today's NFL would be a step up. Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed.

Or, at minimum, an innovative OC who has a different mindset than he has.Tomlin has proven himself to be awful at hiring assistants though.

That description sounds exactly like the Philadelphia Eagles under Sirianni.

Except they had Kellen Moore running a far less predictable offense and Fangio running a disciplined defense. Why? Because they hired good assistants, something Tomlin has never been able or willing to do.

That's not what you wrote. What you wrote was: "Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed."

You literally can win with an elite defense and an offense that doesn't make mistakes. The biggest issue with PIT is that they lack talent on the offensive side of the ball. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Go get a QB and some weapons, then you can evaluate.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Living in your fears gets you nowhere.

Nobody wants a McCarthy type here. Shanny, LaFleur, or McVay type yes please and thank you.

McCarthy type? Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Who cares?

To replace Tomlin with someone who's coaching philosophy can win in today's NFL would be a step up. Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed.

Or, at minimum, an innovative OC who has a different mindset than he has.Tomlin has proven himself to be awful at hiring assistants though.

That description sounds exactly like the Philadelphia Eagles under Sirianni.

Except they had Kellen Moore running a far less predictable offense and Fangio running a disciplined defense. Why? Because they hired good assistants, something Tomlin has never been able or willing to do.

That's not what you wrote. What you wrote was: "Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed."

You literally can win with an elite defense and an offense that doesn't make mistakes. The biggest issue with PIT is that they lack talent on the offensive side of the ball. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Go get a QB and some weapons, then you can evaluate.

I understand that some want to blame the current lack of talent. Clearly, it's lacking in a lot of key areas. And when Tomlin hires OCs like Matt Canada and Arthur Smith, it's amplified ten fold. In today's NFL, you need an offensive minded head coach or an innovative, powerful offensive coordinator. The Steelers have neither and they run an antiquated system with lesser personnel.

It's been a 14 year run of futility when it matters and being an afterthought in the playoffs. They were certainly more talented for a vast majority of that time. Call it what you want. There's a reason why people who actually follow the team closely feel the way they do.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Living in your fears gets you nowhere.

Nobody wants a McCarthy type here. Shanny, LaFleur, or McVay type yes please and thank you.

McCarthy type? Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Who cares?

To replace Tomlin with someone who's coaching philosophy can win in today's NFL would be a step up. Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed.

Or, at minimum, an innovative OC who has a different mindset than he has.Tomlin has proven himself to be awful at hiring assistants though.

That description sounds exactly like the Philadelphia Eagles under Sirianni.

Except they had Kellen Moore running a far less predictable offense and Fangio running a disciplined defense. Why? Because they hired good assistants, something Tomlin has never been able or willing to do.

That's not what you wrote. What you wrote was: "Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed."

You literally can win with an elite defense and an offense that doesn't make mistakes. The biggest issue with PIT is that they lack talent on the offensive side of the ball. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Go get a QB and some weapons, then you can evaluate.

I understand that some want to blame the current lack of talent. Clearly, it's lacking in a lot of key areas. And when Tomlin hires OCs like Matt Canada and Arthur Smith, it's amplified ten fold. In today's NFL, you need an offensive minded head coach or an innovative, powerful offensive coordinator. The Steelers have neither and they run an antiquated system with lesser personnel.

It's been a 14 year run of futility when it matters and being an afterthought in the playoffs. They were certainly more talented for a vast majority of that time. Call it what you want. There's a reason why people who actually follow the team closely feel the way they do.

The grass is always greener. Then you become the Carolina Panthers.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Living in your fears gets you nowhere.

Nobody wants a McCarthy type here. Shanny, LaFleur, or McVay type yes please and thank you.

McCarthy type? Mike McCarthy is from Pittsburgh.

Who cares?

To replace Tomlin with someone who's coaching philosophy can win in today's NFL would be a step up. Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed.

Or, at minimum, an innovative OC who has a different mindset than he has.Tomlin has proven himself to be awful at hiring assistants though.

That description sounds exactly like the Philadelphia Eagles under Sirianni.

Except they had Kellen Moore running a far less predictable offense and Fangio running a disciplined defense. Why? Because they hired good assistants, something Tomlin has never been able or willing to do.

That's not what you wrote. What you wrote was: "Tomlin wants to win with an offense that doesn't make mistakes and an elite defense. The margin for error there is next to nothing and while it may have worked in the 90s or early 2000s, the game has changed and an offensive minded leader is needed."

You literally can win with an elite defense and an offense that doesn't make mistakes. The biggest issue with PIT is that they lack talent on the offensive side of the ball. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****. Go get a QB and some weapons, then you can evaluate.

I understand that some want to blame the current lack of talent. Clearly, it's lacking in a lot of key areas. And when Tomlin hires OCs like Matt Canada and Arthur Smith, it's amplified ten fold. In today's NFL, you need an offensive minded head coach or an innovative, powerful offensive coordinator. The Steelers have neither and they run an antiquated system with lesser personnel.

It's been a 14 year run of futility when it matters and being an afterthought in the playoffs. They were certainly more talented for a vast majority of that time. Call it what you want. There's a reason why people who actually follow the team closely feel the way they do.

The grass is always greener. Then you become the Carolina Panthers.

It's also possible that you move on from someone like Andy Reid and become the Eagles. There is more than one possible outcome here.

 

[crushedspirit]

Yes, one has to reach the upmost bottom before wanting better. We should be grateful that we're not one of the 7 teams that have worse playoff droughts, and not try to be one of the other 24 teams that at least have a playoff win in the past 8 seasons.

Makes sense.

Also, we had a HOF QB and the team was still one and done in his last 3 playoff appearances in the 2017, 2020, and 2021 seasons. The 2017 roster included 4 1st team all-pros and 4 other pro bowlers. The 2017 offense was ranked 3rd in yds and defense 5th. Still lost at home after a 13-3 season.

 

[irish eyes]

Loads of more word salad in his press conference today. And watch out everyone, there will be changes in the organization he said. We all know what that means, someone else is taking the fall for their pathetic performance but it won't be him. And he will hire more useless coordinators.

 

[irish eyes]

Not sure why he would want to stay when most of the city/fan base doesn't even want him there.

 

[brewer]

Not sure why he would want to stay when most of the city/fan base doesn't even want him there.

He makes $15 Million a year and has complete control.

 

[Tau837]

You guys clearly have your minds made up. Be careful what you wish for.

The thing is, I don't think he's going anywhere, so we won't get to see this play out.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Speaking of a consistent lack of accountability... its hard for me to believe the report that Pickens showed up 30 minutes late for the Chiefs game but still started and played the most snaps of any WR. No discipline at all?

 

[crushedspirit]

He won't leave most of us already know this very well. If you think he's going to leave to another franchise with no QB in place and also having to rebuild, you're dreaming. He can stay with the Steelers and keep selling to all the gullible fans and media into believing he knows what the problem is and will make the necessary changes to fix it.

Now if he can just slide into a team with all the pieces in place for him, then yes he'll run there. Problem for him is none of the upper tier teams would even look his way.

 

[irish eyes]

Speaking of a consistent lack of accountability... its hard for me to believe the report that Pickens showed up 30 minutes late for the Chiefs game but still started and played the most snaps of any WR. No discipline at all?

I believe it, AB, Martavis Bryant, Claypool, Pickens, and waiting in the wings...Roman Wilson who was apparently a healthy scratch quite a bit before IR. Seems to be another head case. Pickens working his way out of the league like the rest of them.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Not sure why he would want to stay when most of the city/fan base doesn't even want him there.

He makes $15 Million a year and has complete control.

And he literally just said that he’s not going anywhere. And he has a no trade clause so this whole thread is just fun discourse.

 

[Dizzy]

All these comments really point towards lousy Ownership with a blah front office. They don't seem the least bit upset at the current state of the Steelers or keenly interested in getting more competitive. Not quite the "last of the big spenders" type.

 

[Steelers4Life]

All these comments really point towards lousy Ownership with a blah front office. They don't seem the least bit upset at the current state of the Steelers or keenly interested in getting more competitive. Not quite the "last of the big spenders" type.

That's 100% part of it. They won't fire Tomlin and they won't take power from him despite all the evidence that he just doesn't know what to do with it.

The Eagles let go of Andy Reid, a far superior strategist and offensive mind who actually has a legit coaching tree, after 4 years of not winning a playoff game after years of playoff success. They re-energized the organization and have been successful since with a SB win and a SB loss.

People talk about Tomlin like hes only struggled since Ben retired, but that's just a convenient excuse. Ben was great all the way through 2020 (except 2019), but Tomlin had no playoff wins between 2011 and 2014, 3 playoff wins against crappy backup QBs in 2015 and 2016, and nothing at all since. The Steelers ownership is stubborn and loyal to a fault. There will be several fall guys, but Tomlin won't be one of them.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Speaking of a consistent lack of accountability... its hard for me to believe the report that Pickens showed up 30 minutes late for the Chiefs game but still started and played the most snaps of any WR. No discipline at all?

And yet those in the media who genuflect to him often refer to him being a "leader of men" as one of his best attributes.

 

[Dizzy]

All these comments really point towards lousy Ownership with a blah front office. They don't seem the least bit upset at the current state of the Steelers or keenly interested in getting more competitive. Not quite the "last of the big spenders" type.

That's 100% part of it. They won't fire Tomlin and they won't take power from him despite all the evidence that he just doesn't know what to do with it.

The Eagles let go of Andy Reid, a far superior strategist and offensive mind who actually has a legit coaching tree, after 4 years of not winning a playoff game after years of playoff success. They re-energized the organization and have been successful since with a SB win and a SB loss.

People talk about Tomlin like hes only struggled since Ben retired, but that's just a convenient excuse. Ben was great all the way through 2020 (except 2019), but Tomlin had no playoff wins between 2011 and 2014, 3 playoff wins against crappy backup QBs in 2015 and 2016, and nothing at all since. The Steelers ownership is stubborn and loyal to a fault. There will be several fall guys, but Tomlin won't be one of them.

I will say this about Ben Roethlisberger... he just happened to play at the same time as two of the greatest QBs ever in Brady and Manning and he was a tier below both.

Same can be said for these head coaches that have Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson... haven't won jack s*** yet... bummer that their careers overlap with Patrick Mahomes.

 

[crushedspirit]

This current Rooney is nothing like Dan and he certainly has a hand in the failures as well as Khan and what Colbert left behind but,

Former Steelers’ quarterback Ben Roethlisberger offered his take on Tomlin’s role in the organization. “I know Omar Khan is the general manager here. Mike Tomlin makes decisions. Now, at the end of the day, Mr. Rooney might end up, he could veto things, obviously, if he chooses to. But Mike Tomlin has decisions and makes most of the decisions in Pittsburgh. He can say he doesn’t and this, that, and the other. We all know that he’s got a lot of pull. He’s been here for 18 years. You wouldn’t be here that long if you didn’t have pull and say,” Roethlisberger said per Blitzburgh on X

Most franchises the GM runs the show for the most part, but not in Pittsburgh.

 

[steelcityman]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

 

[irish eyes]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

And all have coaches who should have been gone long long ago.

 

[Big Nate]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

I can understand the fans frustration but the Steelers are far from being run into the ground

 

[King of the Jungle]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

I can understand the fans frustration but the Steelers are far from being run into the ground

They are competitive every year and unable to get to true contender status. I can understand that frustration of being somewhat middling every year. It also doesn’t help addressing the long term answer at the most important position (QB). Drafting in the mid to late teens and seemingly unwilling to move up makes it difficult to find your guy. Not impossible but you roll dice on the Kenny Picketts of the world and hope they develop. Not that there is any guarantee that a higher pick would pay off, but they seem to be a franchise that lets things come to them versus going out and getting their guy.

 

[menobrown]

Most franchises the GM runs the show for the most part

Not to get off subject but I'm not sure about that. Would have to really add up the numbers, would requite a lot of speculation on whose role is what but there are a lot of teams who operate in a manner where the GM essentially works for the head coach, if not the majority. Like I was trying to say regarding speculation, it's hard for us to know exactly who the ulitmate or majority decision maker is and I think most setups are extremely collaborative with both taking on huge personnel roles. Some not so much and of course ownership's involvement varies and they truly are the ultimate decision maker if they want to. In the Steelers case the biggest negative I have on Art II is I do think he's responsible for the Pickett pick.

 

[sm8680]

Both ownership and MT were slobbering all over KP. Pitt sharing the facilities with the Steelers IMHO helped further the enamorment of KP. Kept hearing how Rooney's regret passing on Dan Marino in the 1983 draft and weren't going to let that happen again with KP. Dan Marino never should have been still available at pick 27 in the first round. For KP there were experts saying that he should be drafted as a career backup.

The whole anomaly of a team needs a really high draft pick to draft your franchise QB doesn't always work. There's been a number of QBs who've been drafted later. Scouts scour the colleges for players. Their assessments / conversations occur with the GM, ownership coaches etc. Steelers had 2 really bad breaks the passing of Dwayne Haskins who deserved a second chance and drafting KP who set them back. This season the Steelers lucked into RW and JF on the cheap. With how the way the season ended one can't fathom bringing backing RW.

It's really getting old reading threads where people tend to think that middling means you can't get your franchise QB. Because your team doesn't have a high draft pick. The classic example that always doesn't work. Packers traded for Favre and drafted Rodgers and Love later in the first round.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I don’t think middling prevents you from getting a good quarterback, but it does make it more difficult as Pitt has proved over the last several years. Most of todays high end starters were higher draft picks (not all, but most).

 

[Big Nate]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

I can understand the fans frustration but the Steelers are far from being run into the ground

They are competitive every year and unable to get to true contender status. I can understand that frustration of being somewhat middling every year. It also doesn’t help addressing the long term answer at the most important position (QB). Drafting in the mid to late teens and seemingly unwilling to move up makes it difficult to find your guy. Not impossible but you roll dice on the Kenny Picketts of the world and hope they develop. Not that there is any guarantee that a higher pick would pay off, but they seem to be a franchise that lets things come to them versus going out and getting their guy.

All fair comments and questions. But still far from being run to the ground.

PIT has lots of questions this offseason on what direction they want to go.

 

[King of the Jungle]

All 3 major sports teams in Pittsburgh are being run into the ground by ownership. Its sad to watch.

I can understand the fans frustration but the Steelers are far from being run into the ground

They are competitive every year and unable to get to true contender status. I can understand that frustration of being somewhat middling every year. It also doesn’t help addressing the long term answer at the most important position (QB). Drafting in the mid to late teens and seemingly unwilling to move up makes it difficult to find your guy. Not impossible but you roll dice on the Kenny Picketts of the world and hope they develop. Not that there is any guarantee that a higher pick would pay off, but they seem to be a franchise that lets things come to them versus going out and getting their guy.

All fair comments and questions. But still far from being run to the ground.

PIT has lots of questions this offseason on what direction they want to go.

I agree, far from run into the ground. Competent is probably a good description. With the rich history of the franchise I do understand the frustration of being seemingly stuck in the middle.

 

[Big Nate]

Both ownership and MT were slobbering all over KP. Pitt sharing the facilities with the Steelers IMHO helped further the enamorment of KP. Kept hearing how Rooney's regret passing on Dan Marino in the 1983 draft and weren't going to let that happen again with KP. Dan Marino never should have been still available at pick 27 in the first round. For KP there were experts saying that he should be drafted as a career backup.

The whole anomaly of a team needs a really high draft pick to draft your franchise QB doesn't always work. There's been a number of QBs who've been drafted later. Scouts scour the colleges for players. Their assessments / conversations occur with the GM, ownership coaches etc. Steelers had 2 really bad breaks the passing of Dwayne Haskins who deserved a second chance and drafting KP who set them back. This season the Steelers lucked into RW and JF on the cheap. With how the way the season ended one can't fathom bringing backing RW.

It's really getting old reading threads where people tend to think that middling means you can't get your franchise QB. Because your team doesn't have a high draft pick. The classic example that always doesn't work. Packers traded for Favre and drafted Rodgers and Love later in the first round.

Well said, some really good points here. Don't always need a high draft pick as you mentioned with Rodgers and Love. Even guys like Hurts was a second round pick. Can't hit them all but they are out there. Even a guy like Mahomes was pick 10. If there is a guy you like sitting there at 9 or 10 and you have pick 15 maybe look to be active and trade up. Lots of ways to target QBs.

Fields is still an option and would likely be cheap. Let him cook for a year and see what happens. Draft a QB in the first round if there looks to be a decent one that falls. If not plan to go into 2026 to get a QB in the draft.

Thing is it might take a few years to sort it out and rebuild. Fields seems like a good option to give it a go as I don't think PIT picks until pick #21 or so?

 

[sm8680]

Another topic for possible discussion.

Prior to this season MT ousts long time strength and conditioning coach Marcol Pastoor and his entire staff. Hires new staff lead by Phil Matusz from Boston College another Dino connection. This season Mike Tomlin admitted that the Steelers have soft tissue issues.

Russell Wilson, the veteran quarterback, suffered a calf injury during a conditioning test and has been out of four practices. The injury occurred after he pushed a sled during the team's conditioning test. First thought was why was RW pushing a blocking sled.

 

[irish eyes]

Another topic for possible discussion.

Prior to this season MT ousts long time strength and conditioning coach Marcol Pastoor and his entire staff. Hires new staff lead by Phil Matusz from Boston College another Dino connection. This season Mike Tomlin admitted that the Steelers have soft tissue issues.

Russell Wilson, the veteran quarterback, suffered a calf injury during a conditioning test and has been out of four practices. The injury occurred after he pushed a sled during the team's conditioning test. First thought was why was RW pushing a blocking sled.

The more things I hear like this just convinces me they are doomed until he leaves. I already knew they were doomed but just zero hope.

 

[metoo]

For those bringing the old "who ya gonna replace him with"...

I don't think any Pitt fan that is okay with dumping Tomlin is (unreasonably) demanding they be able to win the same amount of games. Very likely they know there will be a significant drop off into mediocrity for a few years.

It's a better road than being stuck in football purgatory.

Yes purgatory and he gets to move on. I’m here for it. All this trade a coach bs. Nope, just let him go and we will see who benefits.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Speaking of a consistent lack of accountability... its hard for me to believe the report that Pickens showed up 30 minutes late for the Chiefs game but still started and played the most snaps of any WR. No discipline at all?

And yet those in the media who genuflect to him often refer to him being a "leader of men" as one of his best attributes.

Players like him because they don't have to worry about discipline or consequences. It's always been an issue, never getting better.

 

[Steelers4Life]

All these comments really point towards lousy Ownership with a blah front office. They don't seem the least bit upset at the current state of the Steelers or keenly interested in getting more competitive. Not quite the "last of the big spenders" type.

That's 100% part of it. They won't fire Tomlin and they won't take power from him despite all the evidence that he just doesn't know what to do with it.

The Eagles let go of Andy Reid, a far superior strategist and offensive mind who actually has a legit coaching tree, after 4 years of not winning a playoff game after years of playoff success. They re-energized the organization and have been successful since with a SB win and a SB loss.

People talk about Tomlin like hes only struggled since Ben retired, but that's just a convenient excuse. Ben was great all the way through 2020 (except 2019), but Tomlin had no playoff wins between 2011 and 2014, 3 playoff wins against crappy backup QBs in 2015 and 2016, and nothing at all since. The Steelers ownership is stubborn and loyal to a fault. There will be several fall guys, but Tomlin won't be one of them.

I will say this about Ben Roethlisberger... he just happened to play at the same time as two of the greatest QBs ever in Brady and Manning and he was a tier below both.

Same can be said for these head coaches that have Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson... haven't won jack s*** yet... bummer that their careers overlap with Patrick Mahomes.

Yet the Steelers with Roethlisberger were almost never eliminated from the playoffs by Brady or Manning. It's a misconception that they didn't win because of that.

Ben lost to Brady as a rookie in 2004 and again in 2016. The only time Ben's Steelers were beaten by Manning in the playoffs was when he went to Denver. It'd be different if the teams won and kept getting eliminated by Brady or Manning.

 

[Faust]

Sources: Bears' trade request for Mike Tomlin rebuffed by Steelers

 

[irish eyes]

Sources: Bears' trade request for Mike Tomlin rebuffed by Steelers

Of course, few more years of misery on the way.

 

[Dizzy]

Sources: Bears' trade request for Mike Tomlin rebuffed by Steelers

Sources? Could have been someone from the Shark Pool. That's a source.

 

[crushedspirit]

With the extension amount Rooney handed him, there is no way he's going anywhere until at least 2027.