HC Mike Tomlin, PIT (2 Viewers)

[Dizzy]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin should mind his own business and just worry about the his team.

I mean, he was asked a direct question. If you're thinking Tomlin is going to give some kind of politician's deflective response... that's not happening.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when fantasy teams wanted to roster the Steelers and Ravens defenses. That’s a distant memory.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I remember when fantasy teams wanted to roster the Steelers and Ravens defenses. That’s a distant memory.

Steelers D so far in terms of fantasy points by week: 2, 5, 16, 10, 10, 1. I mean you could do a lot worse than that. I certainly have holding on to the Bills D for so long.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when fantasy teams wanted to roster the Steelers and Ravens defenses. That’s a distant memory.

Steelers D so far in terms of fantasy points by week: 2, 5, 16, 10, 10, 1. I mean you could do a lot worse than that. I certainly have holding on to the Bills D for so long.

Yes the Bills fit that category too

 

[Ray_T]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

 

[rockaction]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin should mind his own business and just worry about the his team.

I mean, he was asked a direct question. If you're thinking Tomlin is going to give some kind of politician's deflective response... that's not happening.

I'd say the way he hesitantly went about answering the question betrayed the simple maxim that we all know he should have followed. He knew that he knew he shouldn't say ****.

But he saw that cake path to the division just get a hell of a lot tougher and one of the doors that had been fortuitously slamming shut was flung wide open.

He's at practice. He knows there's a big problem somewhere, but he's not going to say anything. They've been rolling through fields of four-leaf clovers and lucky stars to have wound up 4-2. That's pretty apparent to me at this point.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

I prefer Not my Circus, Not my Monkeys

 

[Dizzy]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin should mind his own business and just worry about the his team.

I mean, he was asked a direct question. If you're thinking Tomlin is going to give some kind of politician's deflective response... that's not happening.

I'd say the way he hesitantly went about answering the question betrayed the simple maxim that we all know he should have followed. He knew that he knew he shouldn't say ****.

But he saw that cake path to the division just get a hell of a lot tougher and one door that was slamming shut was flung wide open.

He's at practice. He knows there's a big problem somewhere, but he's not going to say anything. They've been rolling through fields of four-leaf clovers and lucky stars to have wound up 4-2. That's pretty apparent to me at this point.

That defense doesn't worry anybody. Not one person, not one play jumped off the screen last night.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

I know what you mean, but they didn’t really help a division rival. The Bengals winning a few more games just worsens their draft pick. It’s not like they are Super Bowl contenders now. It also hurt the Steelers a bit in terms of their playoff standing.

In addition to that, Browns help themselves to find out what the rookies have and they can lose more to a higher pick. And to menobrowns point, it exposes the coaching and offensive weaknesses they have.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin should mind his own business and just worry about the his team.

I mean, he was asked a direct question. If you're thinking Tomlin is going to give some kind of politician's deflective response... that's not happening.

I'd say the way he hesitantly went about answering the question betrayed the simple maxim that we all know he should have followed. He knew that he knew he shouldn't say ****.

But he saw that cake path to the division just get a hell of a lot tougher and one of the doors that had been fortuitously slamming shut was flung wide open.

He's at practice. He knows there's a big problem somewhere, but he's not going to say anything. They've been rolling through fields of four-leaf clovers and lucky stars to have wound up 4-2. That's pretty apparent to me at this point.

Agreed. Should have said something to the effect of “we will be prepared to face any challenge ahead”.

 

[rockaction]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin should mind his own business and just worry about the his team.

I mean, he was asked a direct question. If you're thinking Tomlin is going to give some kind of politician's deflective response... that's not happening.

I'd say the way he hesitantly went about answering the question betrayed the simple maxim that we all know he should have followed. He knew that he knew he shouldn't say ****.

But he saw that cake path to the division just get a hell of a lot tougher and one of the doors that had been fortuitously slamming shut was flung wide open.

He's at practice. He knows there's a big problem somewhere, but he's not going to say anything. They've been rolling through fields of four-leaf clovers and lucky stars to have wound up 4-2. That's pretty apparent to me at this point.

Agreed. Should have said something to the effect of “we will be prepared to face any challenge ahead”.

I like Tomlin but I think a lot of the reasonable and real criticisms the fans can sometimes level at him and the younger Rooney seem really fair.

I was surprised by his approach to the subject because I thought of the potential payoff and cost matrices of his response and I didn’t see any way you could show disapproval or angered chuffing without having its root cause be one of these things, all of which are bad: fear, scorn, anger, elevated self-righteousness, loathing a perceived impurity, or being meddlesome. He amazingly seemed like he was or had all of those qualities.

He absolutely did not have to answer that question. Two easy answers: “No comment” or “We can only control what we’re doing. I don’t know why Cleveland traded Joe, but it means we have him on our schedule for Thursday. Look forward to it.”

That was easy for me to say, and I’m not paid millions to do it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

they didn’t really help a division rival. The Bengals winning a few more games just worsens their draft pick. It’s not like they are Super Bowl contenders now. It also hurt the Steelers a bit in terms of their playoff standing.
In addition to that, Browns help themselves to find out what the rookies have and they can lose more to a higher pick.

Exactly.
Who cares about the Steelers or Bengals, AB made a deal to get something while paving a path to get his rookies evaluated.
F' Tomlin who has well-worn patterns.
One that we all know is that he sheets the bed on short week Thursday Night games. He must have felt the pressure as he was about to go over that cliff to another embarrassing loss and pre-blamed Berry because he just knew.
Berry didn't cause the loss and he knows it.
Ja' Marr kilt' em. Absolutely scorched earth bunt' em to a crisp.
Dude, AB didn't dish Ja' Marr Chase to the Bengals.
Plain and simple you couldn't cover him.

 

[Jewell]

Ja' Marr kilt' em. Absolutely scorched earth bunt' em to a crisp.
Dude, AB didn't dish Ja' Marr Chase to the Bengals.
Plain and simple you couldn't cover him.

OK, but Ja’Marr Chase couldn’t have killed the Steelers but for Flacco getting him the ball. The exact same Ja’Marr Chase was listless with Browning at QB, but he’s been completely revived with Flacco at QB. Chase wouldn’t have had that massive game with Browning even if he ran the exact same routes.

I understand why Andrew Berry made the trade, and he has a duty to his team and no others. So I have no problem with the trade. With that said, I understand Tomlin’s statement about the trade. Having seen Flacco countless times over the years Tomlin knew Flacco would improve the Bengals.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ja' Marr kilt' em. Absolutely scorched earth bunt' em to a crisp.
Dude, AB didn't dish Ja' Marr Chase to the Bengals.
Plain and simple you couldn't cover him.

OK, but Ja’Marr Chase couldn’t have killed the Steelers but for Flacco getting him the ball. The exact same Ja’Marr Chase was listless with Browning at QB, but he’s been completely revived with Flacco at QB. Chase wouldn’t have had that massive game with Browning even if he ran the exact same routes.

I understand why Andrew Berry made the trade, and he has a duty to his team and no others. So I have no problems with the trade. With that said, I understand Tomlin’s statement about the trade. Having seen Flacco countless times over the years Tomlin knew Flacco would improve the Bengals.

I think it's embarrassing for Tomlin to make any statement about that trade. Just my opinion.

 

[sm8680]

MT more than likely made the comment due to Joe having more wins against the Steelers than any other QB. Trade worked out well for Joe he's playing. Worked out well for the Bengals because it keeps them in the hunt for the playoffs. Helps the Browns they move up a round and they will find out if their 2 rookie QBs are the future.

 

[Ray_T]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

I know what you mean, but they didn’t really help a division rival. The Bengals winning a few more games just worsens their draft pick. It’s not like they are Super Bowl contenders now. It also hurt the Steelers a bit in terms of their playoff standing.

In addition to that, Browns help themselves to find out what the rookies have and they can lose more to a higher pick. And to menobrowns point, it exposes the coaching and offensive weaknesses they have.

I think its more the optics. in terms of the fan base, helping out a division rival kind of sets a bad precedence.

thats why most teams just wont do it. and most of the cases where they do, they are getting more than fair market value for the player. Thats where some home fans are dissatisfied with the trade.

for some its just like trading to any other team but to a lot of hardcore fans.... you just dont help a division rival. its kind of a big No No.

and if that trade gets the Bengals into the playoffs the GM will have some backlash for that move. (or at least they should... it is Cleveland. so the rules there are different maybe)

 

[Ray_T]

Ja' Marr kilt' em. Absolutely scorched earth bunt' em to a crisp.
Dude, AB didn't dish Ja' Marr Chase to the Bengals.
Plain and simple you couldn't cover him.

OK, but Ja’Marr Chase couldn’t have killed the Steelers but for Flacco getting him the ball. The exact same Ja’Marr Chase was listless with Browning at QB, but he’s been completely revived with Flacco at QB. Chase wouldn’t have had that massive game with Browning even if he ran the exact same routes.

I understand why Andrew Berry made the trade, and he has a duty to his team and no others. So I have no problems with the trade. With that said, I understand Tomlin’s statement about the trade. Having seen Flacco countless times over the years Tomlin knew Flacco would improve the Bengals.

I think it's embarrassing for Tomlin to make any statement about that trade. Just my opinion.

maybe.

but everyone has a different take on that issue. perhaps his own team is enjoying toying with the situation. no real repercussions for them.

I dont know that he went out with an agenda. he was asked a question and this kinda came out. and honestly he was saying what a lot of people were thinking (myself included)

so when that situation comes to pass, the lines of what is acceptable or not become a bit more blurred. but I do think his point is valid. whether he should have said it may be another matter. but as far as I'm concerned its a grey area when hes saying what an awful lot of people are thinking already.

 

[RandyDB]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

I know what you mean, but they didn’t really help a division rival. The Bengals winning a few more games just worsens their draft pick. It’s not like they are Super Bowl contenders now. It also hurt the Steelers a bit in terms of their playoff standing.

In addition to that, Browns help themselves to find out what the rookies have and they can lose more to a higher pick. And to menobrowns point, it exposes the coaching and offensive weaknesses they have.

I think its more the optics. in terms of the fan base, helping out a division rival kind of sets a bad precedence.

thats why most teams just wont do it. and most of the cases where they do, they are getting more than fair market value for the player. Thats where some home fans are dissatisfied with the trade.

for some its just like trading to any other team but to a lot of hardcore fans.... you just dont help a division rival. its kind of a big No No.

and if that trade gets the Bengals into the playoffs the GM will have some backlash for that move. (or at least they should... it is Cleveland. so the rules there are different maybe)

If the Bengals getting in the playoffs means Pittsburgh doesn't, it was a good trade.

 

[Uncle Leo]

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Is this some sort of a joke or is Arthur seriously being considered by the Titans?

 

[TampaMike19]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

 

[cdclopper]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

Its almost like it was Tee Higgins who beat them late in the game.

 

[Ray_T]

Mike Tomlin takes shot at Browns GM after Joe Flacco trade: 'Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me'

Tomlin isnt wrong.

it used to be that you just dont help a division rival. end of story.

but if you are going to do it, I'd suggest you would get more than fair market value for the player.... substantially more.

that didnt really happen either in my opinion. so something is not quite right about that trade. Not that I care. its not my circus and not my clowns. but I think his point is valid.

I know what you mean, but they didn’t really help a division rival. The Bengals winning a few more games just worsens their draft pick. It’s not like they are Super Bowl contenders now. It also hurt the Steelers a bit in terms of their playoff standing.

In addition to that, Browns help themselves to find out what the rookies have and they can lose more to a higher pick. And to menobrowns point, it exposes the coaching and offensive weaknesses they have.

I think its more the optics. in terms of the fan base, helping out a division rival kind of sets a bad precedence.

thats why most teams just wont do it. and most of the cases where they do, they are getting more than fair market value for the player. Thats where some home fans are dissatisfied with the trade.

for some its just like trading to any other team but to a lot of hardcore fans.... you just dont help a division rival. its kind of a big No No.

and if that trade gets the Bengals into the playoffs the GM will have some backlash for that move. (or at least they should... it is Cleveland. so the rules there are different maybe)

If the Bengals getting in the playoffs means Pittsburgh doesn't, it was a good trade.

I thought cincy and cleveland were fairly significant rivals, but if this is an accurate statement, then I have read the situation wrong.

certainly I would guess there is more to it than this, but that is something a local from Cleveland would know better than I would. if you are from cleveland(or Cincy or Pittsburgh), I'll assume you are probably more in the know.

it is usually the #1 rival you NEVER make a trade with. but division rivals usually make a close second to that.

but if you are screwing over the #1 rival in the process maybe that makes it ok.

 

[Ray_T]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

There is a reason hes considered one of the top 3 WR in pro football. this is it. Dude gets open and catches almost everything.

hes hard to defend.

 

[infantsam]

Flacco's arm talent was worthless to the Browns, and gold to the Bengals.

As usual, the Browns got fleeced, and somehow they are trying to figure out why Watson is still the #1, Sanders is the 2, yet they have to start Gabriel.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

There is a reason hes considered one of the top 3 WR in pro football. this is it. Dude gets open and catches almost everything.

hes hard to defend.

He also had the most targets of any modern day receiver? He’s human. Make an adjustment. That’s all we ask.

 

[Max55]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

There is a reason hes considered one of the top 3 WR in pro football. this is it. Dude gets open and catches almost everything.

hes hard to defend.

Yes but change up the defense.

Man. Zone. Double team.

Coach T did none of that.

 

[Ray_T]

Really not sure how you let Chase be THAT open late in the game and also let Flacco be comfortable enough to throw to chase basically 20 times a game. Make Higgins or chase brown beat you instead

There is a reason hes considered one of the top 3 WR in pro football. this is it. Dude gets open and catches almost everything.

hes hard to defend.

He also had the most targets of any modern day receiver? He’s human. Make an adjustment. That’s all we ask.

fair enough.

though he is the kind of WR who knows how to stack the coverage and get open anyhow, but when hes roasting you if you do nothing, you cannot expect the result to change.

 

[kupcho1]

I want Aaron Glenn as the Steelers DC next year. I'm guessing he'll be available.