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fan that Hines Ward is a baller, and about as far from "dirty" as there is. Tough as nails: yes, Dirty? 
He's a great blocker, if you count lowering your head into an opponent's facemask blocking. I'm pretty sure you don't get voted this by a bunch of pansy CBs.
WrongandCorrect.....pansy LB's and S vote also.
Like the LB's and S's who hit wr's crossing in the middle? Just seems to me that def. players love to hit, but when a WR lays them out consistently, it is "dirty" I know i am a homer, but i honestly doubt anyone can come up with a WR that is better overall than he is. Alot are better at receiving, but there is no one close to him in blocking, and his receiving is pretty damn good too.
Would you consider a QB getting sacked from his blindside dirty?
This, he'll drive his helmet right into defender's knees.And then, of course, get up grinning.
Hines plays aggressively and blocks to the whistle. He'll go downfield during a run and setup outside a defender and lay into him (which some have called a dirty "blindside" block) but he absolutely does NOT dive at the knees. The blocks on Reed and Rivers mentioned above were well above the waist. Call him dirty if you like but be accurate about what he does and doesn't do on the field.
Not buying this argument. Dirty is all about intent. A guy could be 5'4" and 120 lbs and still be the dirtiest player in the league if he stomped on players on the ground, spit on opponents, punched people in the nuts at the bottom of the pile, and attempted to intentionally break fingers or dislocate shoulders.
Would you consider a QB Getting sacked sacked from his blindside the same as a WR away from the play spearing an unsuspecting def player?? Doesnt matter which WR we are talking about it is definately not the same.. horrible example, but expected from a homer. Yes Im a Browns homer but Im not anti Ward, just felt this post was
Every single hit I've ever seen anyone complain about regarding Hines has been above the waist.
Not trying to discredit the vote or question how tough an NFL player is.But I've watched enough Steelers football and seen enough of the hits by Ward that people complain about to comment on them. Even when it's a completely perfect block, the defensive players get up whining that Hines shouldn't have hit them or hit them too hard. And yes, Hines loves every minute of it. God forbid he takes a chance to hit a defensive player who doesn't see the hit coming... it's not like that same player wouldn't blindside him if they had the chance, right?I'm sure defensive players consider him dirty because he's one of the few offensive players in the game who's known for his hits on defensive players. He's injured a few and he's blindsided a few. So what? A defensive player who has a hit like that celebrates and ends up on Sportscenter.And he ALWAYS blocks above the waist.
S4L - to provide full context, I'm a HUGE H Ward fan. But you can't ignore the results of 300 players voting. I realize that isn't exactly the entire NFL (in fact, it's about 15-20% of the NFL), but that is a decent sample size. And for whatever reason, his peers think Hines Ward is a dirty player.Plenty of folks in here have tried to discredit the vote by implying that anyone voting that Ward is dirty is "just a pansy". I think that's a ridiculous assertion.
Ward finishes near the top or are at the top of this poll every year, and I doubt the exact same players are polled every year, so it sounds like Ward reputation as a dirty player is well-deserved, no matter how much Steelers fans try to discredit the results. 296 players is about, oh, 1/6 of the NFL, so yeah, the sample size is more than big enough for these results to be statistically significant.
The pansy assertions were obviously facetious and if they were stated in any other context I agree they are ridiculous.Thing is if one actually understands the rules of the game, it is patently obvious that prior to this seasons rule change Ward's crackbacks were 100% legal blocks and were directly related to the plays in question.I don't think a player can be considered "dirty" when their actions are legal and are in context of the action.If 31 of Ward's peers choose to deem him that, it's certainly their prerogative but it comes off sounding like sour grapes.I'd be willing to bet you though that every one of them is a defensive player that doesn't like or doesn't want to be hit in the exact same fashion they are trying to hit the offensive players on the field.In this case, I think Ward should consider the results of the poll a compliment.
Unless I know the demographics of the players voting I sure as heck can. And will.
Defensive players absolutely can and frequently do hit helmet to helmet.It is not a penalty unless the player is in a defenseless potion, which the players Hines hits are not.Gotta know the rules.
Agreed 100% ... I would love hines on my squad but the truth is the guy gets his rep for a good reason.
leading with the head ... over and over and over
Might want to reread his statement before you get your panties all twisted:
Also, i do know in 2007 he was fined 2x for late hits ... i think it is kinda funny that you actually believe that the NFL just levied him a fine without giving him a reason. He clearly takes issue with being fined for a play he was not penalized on the field for.
he doesn't take it out on others on the field ... he saves it for Casinos
So that means it could have been a crack block ... which he is well known to do.Either way the guy takes shots when he can ... I don't blame him because I would imagine most of the players he is hitting would do the same to him if he were vulnerable but call a spade a spade.
Unnecessary roughness is a penalizable offense. If it were a legal block there would have been no fine. I don't think football should be about cheap shots, there's nothing tough about teeing off on a guy caught in a bad position or someone who doesn't see you coming.
Funny how fantasy football owners can sit in their chairs and call pro football players sissies. If somebody receives the same award over and over, it doesn't mean the defenses are "scared" of a WR. None of them care enough about Hines Ward to be jealous of him-- they're all millionaires many times over, many making more than Ward does. So I think where there's smoke, there's fire. This award should have Rodney Harrison's name on it. Whoever mentioned him first in this thread was right on.
You were the one that said a player hits an unaware player is unsporting and dirty. Certainly a QB getting hit from his blindside is unaware so I was just asking if you considered that to be dirty.Would you consider a QB Getting sacked sacked from his blindside the same as a WR away from the play spearing an unsuspecting def player?? Doesnt matter which WR we are talking about it is definately not the same.. horrible example, but expected from a homer. Yes Im a Browns homer but Im not anti Ward, just felt this post was
Watch this clip and tell me which hit of Ward's was away from the play. All of these defenders were aggressively going towards the play and were blocked by Ward. Now if you want to say he led with his helmet on some of these you might have an argument but the places and times when the blocks were made were 100% legit.
I don't recall a single case of Ward going after someone's knees. Do you have a link?
StrikeS2k said:
So you have some made-up reason to believe that the sample size is skewed toward players who don't like Hines Ward? I love how people continue to try to discredit the survey results, just because they don't like the answer.
