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Houston Texans 2013 In-season thread (1 Viewer)

FF Ninja said:
JFS171 said:
Plus Clowney and Watt would be one helluva defensive line...
This is what I'd like to see - or a trade down - but I'm pretty sure we're going to stand pat and take a QB. It is the safe play from a PR standpoint and easy to defend to your boss and/or future interviews.
Idk - I've said it elsewhere before, but it's the same franchise that took Mario Williams over Bush and Young. Obviously that was the right pick, but my point is they're not afraid to swim against the popular opinion. This QB class has some developmental guys that will be available in the 2nd round and later, and DOB could always look to trade or "coach up" his guy.When the dust settles, my guess is it's Clowney. That d can be elite again with guys returning from injuries and Clowney added (plus some secondary help via the draft or FA). Add in a healthy Foster and the OL in place, and you can protect and develop a QB without asking him to win games for you.
The Mario pick wasn't really bucking the trend very much. Sure, Bush was the media darling, but he was seen as merely a playmaker, not an every down back. And think about it, does he fit the Denver/Kubiak mold for RB? Not at all. I don't think Bush was ever a very real possibility for a team in such transition. Then we've got Vince Young. Nobody really thought we should take him other than blind, rabid UT fans. Personally, I was going to stop rooting for them if they made that bad of a pick. It would've been popular since he was a hometown kid and everyone in Houston was a UT t-shirt fan at that point, but everybody with any smarts knew it wasn't the pick. Jeff Fisher didn't even want him. Bud Adams forced Vince on him. Personally, I was rooting for Ferguson since we needed OL help, but I was ok with the Mario pick.

Anyway, all of that is moot. That was a different regime. What those guys did is not an indicator of what these guys will do. The only carry over is Bob McNair who isn't a Jerry Jones owner by any means. The only impact Bob seems to have is keeping out the guys with character concerns, which does hurt us a bit, but it's not like he's going to step in and dictate who to take with the #1 pick.

I hope you are right and I hope Crennel is adaptable enough to get the most out of a Watt/Clowney combo.
You're right in McNair being the only constant, and thank goodness for Texans fans he isn't a Jerruh type owner. I simply meant that they had gone against all the media/draftniks projections before. Coverage of the pre-draft process is a lot more thorough now, but all the talking heads seemed utterly shocked when Houston took Mario.

Perhaps I'm projecting what I think they should do, but IMO Clowney is the rarest, most elite, once-in-a-generation talent. Romeo said thus week at the senior bowl that they were going to be a multiples D, aligning in 3-4 and 4-3 fronts. Clowney and Watt could wreak havoc in such a system.

As a relatively new "fan" of the Texans (moved to Austin 18 months ago and adopted them as my second team -- in-laws in Houston, so had followed them a bit from afar before, and damn sure I'll never follow the Cowboys...), that's what I'd like to see. I just don't think they're that far from completely fixing this - a la the 2013 Chiefs. Clowney does that faster IMO.

 
No Munchak, but hired a QB coach.

The Texans lost offensive line coach Mike Munchak to Pittsburgh but gained quarterbacks coach George Godsey from New England.

Munchak informed Texans coach Bill OBrien on Wednesday that he had accepted an offer from Steelers coach Mike Tomlin.

With the Patriots season ending with Sundays AFC Championship Game loss to Denver, Godsey was free to leave for the Texans after coaching tight ends at New England.

When OBrien was the offensive coordinator at Georgia Tech, one of his quarterbacks was Godsey.

Godsey was an assistant for seven years at Central Florida under George OLeary, who is one of OBriens mentors. OBrien helped convince Patriots coach Bill Belichick to add Godsey to his staff.

OBrien is going to call the offensive plays, and hes not expected to hire an offensive coordinator. He and Godsey will work closely together.

OBrien has to hire an offensive line coach since Munchak, a native of Scranton, Pa. who starred at Penn State, is returning to his home state for his first job outside the Oilers/Titans organization.

After being the Oilers first-round pick in 1982, Munchak was voted to nine Pro Bowls during a 12-year career and was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2001.

Munchak spent 17 years coaching the Oilers/Titans offensive line before becoming head coach in 2011. He was fired after this season when he turned down a contract extension and refused to fire some assistant coaches.

Munchak also interviewed for the head-coaching job at Cleveland.

OBrien knew since last week when Munchak interviewed with the Steelers that he might not be able to hire him. OBrien has yet to announce his staff, preferring to wait until all his assistants have been hired.
Another potential link to Mallet?

 
I'm getting more and more comfortable with Clowney as the pick the more I've talked to people who have watched him more than me (though some of it has been negative too). I started out preferring Bridgewater, but right now I'd have to say my preference is Clowney, trade down, Bridgewater.

 
So whats the consensus from Texans fans? Draft Clowney trade for Mallett or do they draft Teddy or Johnny?
I mod on a Texans board and the only consensus is that if some comes calling with any sort decent trade down offer...please take it.

On Mallet...fans are mostly no.

all the other options including Borlles are pretty much mixed. The Johnny Footballers are the most passionate, but there is not an overwhelming number like the vince Youngers from 6/7 years ago.

 
I want no part of Clowney. I just don't believe that he'll be ultra motivated to bring it 100% of the time. Plus, Watt is going to command $100 million soon. Will the texans invest that heavily at the DE position between Watt and Clowney?

If the texans get an RG3 Ransom, take it. But I am fully confident in Bridgewater at this point. I think he can reach at least a Matt Ryan level of play. Having Andre and Deandre helps.

Want no part of Johnny Football. He reeks of Vick-ness to me. I know he had better passing numbers than Vick in college but still...he's all the hype right now and I ain't buying. Would rather have Bortles in a trade down then Johnny.

 
McClain is convinced it is a QB.

Does he have a track record of calling their first round picks?

He seems pretty adamant to just be guessing.

 
McClain is convinced it is a QB.

Does he have a track record of calling their first round picks?

He seems pretty adamant to just be guessing.
McClain is not really good nor connected (as an insider) with the Texans. He really is just guessing.

 
I feel like based on the other forums and threads I've read that I buck the trend: No to Clowney, ok with either Manziel or Bridgewater.

I just don't see Clowney as the talent others think he is. He he all the talent in the world but seemed to wilt when he got double teamed or felt like taking plays off. Those types of players worry me with the first overall pick. Talent alone can't get you drafted first. You've got to want it day in and day out.

I think this team is missing a leader at the QB position. Fans seem passionately for or against Manziel, but I fall in the middle in thinking he could become great (stress on the could) but definitely isn't there yet. He likely has a lower floor, but potential higher ceiling than Bridgewater. It's up to BOB to decide if he feels he could turn Manziel into the next level performer. If not, Bridgewater is an excellent talent and will be solid as well.

 
I think the questions on Clowney will be alleviated by Watt. First, Watt doesn't take plays off, works hard all the time, so this should be motivation for Clowney. Second, Watt will draw most of the double teams, so this frees up Clowney to go one-on-one which will help him keep his motivation up. I would probably prefer them taking Clowney if they can't trade down.

I think there is merit to taking Manziel. He is likely to be boom or bust. If he busts you are probably right back near the top of the draft to do it again. If he booms you are in great shape. Also, if you pass on him and he booms, especially if that is for a division rival (Jaguars), then your fans are going to turn on you.

So I am okay with Clowney, Manziel or trading down.

McClain is adament about most things, so don't assume that means he's right.

 
So if the Texans were to trade down to 4, they would be assured of getting either Clowney or one of the top 3 QB's (Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles). If that happened would you be okay with that?

 
So if the Texans were to trade down to 4, they would be assured of getting either Clowney or one of the top 3 QB's (Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles). If that happened would you be okay with that?
This is what I have been thinking about a lot. You are assured either Clowney or 1 of the QB's. Assuming Cleveland is willing to move up of course. If you get Clowney then you can go McCarran or Garrapalo etc at 26. Gives you a 5 year option on a QB at a cheap rate. Then you have the 2.01 to go DT or LB or DB and then the 3.01 to go RT. Plus in a trade down you likely pick up an extra 3rd or 4th to spend on a RB to backup Foster. If you go QB at 4, then go defense at 26 and keep the rest the same grabbing a RB at 4.01.

Ultimately I think no one will trade up though with STL shouting from the rooftops they wanna move down for cheaper. Unless they like Bridgewater or Bortles a whole lot more than the pundits do, I think we'll go Clowney and then a QB at 2.01. I don't think Manziel is in the conversation with O'Briens history and style, that's all media hype IMO. And the posters in the Mallet thread talking about us trading for him are deluding themselves IMO.

 
Oh, as far as Clowney and/or Watt not being a fit for Crennel's 3-4 like McLain said the other day, I saw the perfect counterpoint but can't remember who said it: "Show me a DC that can't fit Watt or Clowney into their scheme and I'll show you a bad DC."

 
I thought this kind of summed up my feelings at present:

A: I’ll mention two approaches, similar in some sense. Seattle’s and Kansas City’s. Seattle’s approach was sort of like a Floyd Mayweather boxing match. Floyd systematically takes apart his foes early in fights with jabs and combinations, looking to outbox his opponent early in the fight. He’s not looking for the knockout early, unless it’s handed to him on a platter. If he grinds out a 12-round decision so be it, but as his conditioning takes over, he looks for his spot to land the knockout blow, seizes the opportunity and then BOOM, the hammer.

Seattle sort of took that approach to building it’s football team. They didn’t really have the opportunity to get a top notch QB early in Pete Carroll’s tenure, so they went out and added every piece outside of QB to the roster. The thought was that there would come a time when this team was truly ready to be a long-term championship contender. THAT’S when they would add the QB and hope that player was the knockout blow. They sensed being close in 2012, added Matt Flynn through FA and then drafted Russell Wilson. All of the other pieces were in place, so Wilson took over a growing team and the rest is history.

Kansas City did a similar thing, trying to win with Matt Cassel, at the same time building up the roster with Pro Bowlers through the draft. Former GM Scott Pioli built that roster and built it well but chose the wrong QB. When Cassel bottomed out in 2012 and Alex Smith was brought in, the Chiefs were in prime position to turn that thing around quickly with a QB that’s good, not great. Now, let me be clear, the Chiefs roster was well stocked with young stars ready to bust loose or young stars in their prime. That’s not the Texans right now but it can be in a couple of years.

My point? My point is that the roster isn’t at a point where any quarterback can push them back to 11 or 12 wins like Kansas City last year. So, ultimately, I’d like to see the Texans clean up the cap situation, get rid of below-value players and start to position themselves for a long-standing run. That said, to me, the priority is adding good football players on all three days of the draft at any of the need positions noted above, QB included, signing under-valued young free agents with staying power or unearthing solid players other teams quit on too early. Guys like Rob Ninkovich, Danny Woodhead, Danny Amendola, Byron Maxwell or Chris Jones. Y’all remember Jones, right?
I'd rather see them take the best players even if that means we may not end up with our QB this year. I'd rather spend the high pick on someone who might be a top 3 or 4 player at his position (i.e. Clowney) than get a QB that I think the odds are poor is going to be an actual difference maker.

I'm fine with Clowney and then a QB from the second round, and hope that gets us by until we're able to unearth a good QB (if the one they take doesn't turn out to be a Russell Wilson).

 
I thought this kind of summed up my feelings at present:

A: I’ll mention two approaches, similar in some sense. Seattle’s and Kansas City’s. Seattle’s approach was sort of like a Floyd Mayweather boxing match. Floyd systematically takes apart his foes early in fights with jabs and combinations, looking to outbox his opponent early in the fight. He’s not looking for the knockout early, unless it’s handed to him on a platter. If he grinds out a 12-round decision so be it, but as his conditioning takes over, he looks for his spot to land the knockout blow, seizes the opportunity and then BOOM, the hammer.

Seattle sort of took that approach to building it’s football team. They didn’t really have the opportunity to get a top notch QB early in Pete Carroll’s tenure, so they went out and added every piece outside of QB to the roster. The thought was that there would come a time when this team was truly ready to be a long-term championship contender. THAT’S when they would add the QB and hope that player was the knockout blow. They sensed being close in 2012, added Matt Flynn through FA and then drafted Russell Wilson. All of the other pieces were in place, so Wilson took over a growing team and the rest is history.

Kansas City did a similar thing, trying to win with Matt Cassel, at the same time building up the roster with Pro Bowlers through the draft. Former GM Scott Pioli built that roster and built it well but chose the wrong QB. When Cassel bottomed out in 2012 and Alex Smith was brought in, the Chiefs were in prime position to turn that thing around quickly with a QB that’s good, not great. Now, let me be clear, the Chiefs roster was well stocked with young stars ready to bust loose or young stars in their prime. That’s not the Texans right now but it can be in a couple of years.

My point? My point is that the roster isn’t at a point where any quarterback can push them back to 11 or 12 wins like Kansas City last year. So, ultimately, I’d like to see the Texans clean up the cap situation, get rid of below-value players and start to position themselves for a long-standing run. That said, to me, the priority is adding good football players on all three days of the draft at any of the need positions noted above, QB included, signing under-valued young free agents with staying power or unearthing solid players other teams quit on too early. Guys like Rob Ninkovich, Danny Woodhead, Danny Amendola, Byron Maxwell or Chris Jones. Y’all remember Jones, right?
I'd rather see them take the best players even if that means we may not end up with our QB this year. I'd rather spend the high pick on someone who might be a top 3 or 4 player at his position (i.e. Clowney) than get a QB that I think the odds are poor is going to be an actual difference maker.

I'm fine with Clowney and then a QB from the second round, and hope that gets us by until we're able to unearth a good QB (if the one they take doesn't turn out to be a Russell Wilson).
If they don't deem at QB worthy at 1.1, the percentage chance of getting even a meh starter in round two is something around 20%, so I am not interested in forcing the next level guy on the roster there. I would want them to continue them of just grabbing the BPA since the Texans have more needs than draft picks (probably even with a FA signings), it won't be that hard to find a player who qualifies as both.

 
If they don't deem at QB worthy at 1.1, the percentage chance of getting even a meh starter in round two is something around 20%, so I am not interested in forcing the next level guy on the roster there. I would want them to continue them of just grabbing the BPA since the Texans have more needs than draft picks (probably even with a FA signings), it won't be that hard to find a player who qualifies as both.
The first 8 picks of the 2nd round seem like a sweet spot for QB's - a better than 50% chance of finding a starter.

1.1 - Clowney

2.1 - Garappolo

By the way, I would move up one spot and swap picks with the Seahawks to get the 5th year option on Garappolo.

 
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If they don't deem at QB worthy at 1.1, the percentage chance of getting even a meh starter in round two is something around 20%, so I am not interested in forcing the next level guy on the roster there. I would want them to continue them of just grabbing the BPA since the Texans have more needs than draft picks (probably even with a FA signings), it won't be that hard to find a player who qualifies as both.
The first 8 picks of the 2nd round seem like a sweet spot for QB's - a better than 50% chance of finding a starter.

1.1 - Clowney

2.1 - Garappolo

By the way, I would move up one spot and swap picks with the Seahawks to get the 5th year option on Garappolo.
1- picks 33-40 have not always been the exact top the 2nd round...see the Texans entrance into the league.

2- the sample size is 14 players in nearly 80 years

3- Nothing here contradicts what I actually posted that the Texans should draft BPA since it should understood that if a QB is the BPA that is fine. Planning on drafting a QB at the top round two w/o seeing what there is still flawed.

4- In short, more statistical oddity than any type "trend'

 
If they don't deem at QB worthy at 1.1, the percentage chance of getting even a meh starter in round two is something around 20%, so I am not interested in forcing the next level guy on the roster there. I would want them to continue them of just grabbing the BPA since the Texans have more needs than draft picks (probably even with a FA signings), it won't be that hard to find a player who qualifies as both.
The first 8 picks of the 2nd round seem like a sweet spot for QB's - a better than 50% chance of finding a starter.

1.1 - Clowney

2.1 - Garappolo

By the way, I would move up one spot and swap picks with the Seahawks to get the 5th year option on Garappolo.
1- picks 33-40 have not always been the exact top the 2nd round...see the Texans entrance into the league.2- the sample size is 14 players in nearly 80 years

3- Nothing here contradicts what I actually posted that the Texans should draft BPA since it should understood that if a QB is the BPA that is fine. Planning on drafting a QB at the top round two w/o seeing what there is still flawed.

4- In short, more statistical oddity than any type "trend'
I don't see it as an oddity but rather talent meeting opportunity. Those teams drafting early needed a QB took one they valued highly.

 
I also think that waiting on a QB is a good idea for the Texans if one of the top QB's are not what you want, for two reasons:

First, you are conceivably changing blocking schemes with a new offense being put in. While it is not as drastic as the Texans expansion year, you are going to have some turnover in the line and some learning curve for all involved so why not wait until next year to get your future QB.

Second, Bill O'Brien is supposedly a good QB coach. Who is to say he couldn't improve the QB play of current Texan QB's (Yates, Keenum, Schaub) or a FA QB (Cassel), depending on who he felt would be the best fit for what he wants to do?

I just think about what the Eagles did last year. They didn't like any of the QB's in the draft last year to draft high, and they took a flyer on Barcley because they couldn't believe he was still available in the 4th round. They basically decided to let Vick and Foles fight it out in the new system and see who performed best. Vick won the job, but Foles was very close because they both got a lot of reps in the new system. When Vick went down to injury, Foles was ready to come in, and he excelled in the chance he was given. Perhaps Kelly is a better coach than O'Brien, or Foles has more talent than any of the current Texans QB's, but I still think that when you are starting over with a new young QB, it helps to have as many other pieces in place to lessen the pressure on that QB.

 
I know I'll sound like a homer on this one, but a consideration is that the two Notre Dame DLinemen are falling down the boards and both are solid prospects. Especially if we are considering an end to pair with JJ Watt, Stephon Tuitt is a monster and was injured this past season so he under-performed post-surgery. Towards the end of the year he really picked it up and looked more like his 2012 self that was an All American.

If we feel like Manziel or Bridgewater is the guy but may need a year or two seasoning, I would much prefer we take a gamble at the QB of the future and then grab someone like Tuitt in the 2nd round than Clowney and a questionable prospect QB in the 2nd. I think there's much greater risk in someone like Garappolo panning out than someone like Tuitt panning out.

 
Texans released TE Owen Daniels.

The Texans saved $4.5 million on the cap by releasing Daniels.

Owen Daniels counted $6.25 million on the cap. He was scheduled to make $4.5 million. He's recovered from a fractured fibula.

Owen Daniels had been with the team since 2006 when he was a fourth-round pick. This means they must be re-signing TE Garrett Graham.

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

 
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.

 
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
His fate might be tied to Josh McCown, who is supposed to visit here after TB...

 
Greg Russell said:
McCain was so disappointing. Went from playing like one of the best slot corners in football, to not deserving to be on the field. I'd been happy when we re-signed him last year.
Teams sure didnt waste any time going after him last season....drove me nuts watching him get exposed every week in man coverage. Brandon Harris sucks there too...

 
Well Josh McCown didnt even make it over here...Im worried they are gonna hold onto Schaub as a veteran stopgap even though the new rumor is that they are looking to trade him. Hopefully the Raiders bite...dont think I want to watch this guy anymore

 
Reegus said:
Like usual Texan's don't make any big moves in fa
:sleep:

It is disappointing, but we've got a lot of holes to fill so hopefully they get some bargains later.
yep...It is a good strategy if you trust them (big question) to make the right call on the right lower end guys. the Texans have (some of them FA signings..so further yawn) a lot of money tied up at WR, RB, LT, C, LB, CB, ..oh and QB. I won't talk about the draft picks that should be good at other positions that they have also heavily invested.

 
Not sure what people were expecting, they need cap space for next year or 2016 for Watt. It was likely Daniels was gone due to injuries & money, I'm jumping for joy that Brice "Mr Penalty on 3rd down" McCain was cut. Antonio Smith's bloated contract is finally off the books and they didn't break the bank to resign him or Mitchell. There's very little benefit in cutting Foster or Joseph until next year. I think you'll see the purge next off season when they get to see the players in action and how they fit into any change in scheme.

Only head scratcher to me so far is why they are still holding on to Schaub. No one seems likely to trade for him with that big salary.

 
Well we three more year of Garrett Graham

A source confirms Graham's deal with the #Texans is worth $11.25 million over three years...

 
Well we three more year of Garrett Graham

A source confirms Graham's deal with the #Texans is worth $11.25 million over three years...
That tempers my excitement for Griffin a bit.
I am not sure either is a difference maker at TE, but that contract is not so crazy that if Griffin proves to be a better player that the Texans would not be perfectly happy with Graham being a number 2. My stab a FF value is that Graham is always be a TE2 fill-in guy with Griffin a 15-20% chance of being a slightly better (low TE1).

 
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
I agree with most of that. To the trade value of holding him, I'd also add the slight (very slight?) smoke screen value for the draft. If no veteran signed and Schaub cut, you are pretty positive they are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd. With Schaub on the roster, still likely taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd, but it's at least feasible they could consider using the first two picks on someone else.

It's not a lot, but it could further the "we're going to take Clowney unless you trade up for him" perception. Though honestly I think they are going to take Clowney unless someone trades up for him, anyway.

 
Apparently J-Jo and Clowney are from the same home town, and while they are probably 8-10 years apart in age, Joseph said he's known Clowney since the latter was a kid, has stayed in touch with him via text and call during his college career, etc.

Don't know that it would help all that much with motivation and getting Clowney to mature. But probably wouldn't hurt either.

 
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
I agree with most of that. To the trade value of holding him, I'd also add the slight (very slight?) smoke screen value for the draft. If no veteran signed and Schaub cut, you are pretty positive they are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd. With Schaub on the roster, still likely taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd, but it's at least feasible they could consider using the first two picks on someone else.

It's not a lot, but it could further the "we're going to take Clowney unless you trade up for him" perception. Though honestly I think they are going to take Clowney unless someone trades up for him, anyway.
Interesting. If you think they are taking Clowney, what do you think they will do regarding QB?

 
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
I agree with most of that. To the trade value of holding him, I'd also add the slight (very slight?) smoke screen value for the draft. If no veteran signed and Schaub cut, you are pretty positive they are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd. With Schaub on the roster, still likely taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd, but it's at least feasible they could consider using the first two picks on someone else.

It's not a lot, but it could further the "we're going to take Clowney unless you trade up for him" perception. Though honestly I think they are going to take Clowney unless someone trades up for him, anyway.
Interesting. If you think they are taking Clowney, what do you think they will do regarding QB?
Take one of the QBs in the second round.

I know what coolnerd said earlier about the odds of finding a quality starting QB there, but you still have to take your shot. Yes it may only be a 20% shot, but you get one of those guys for now and hope he pans out, if not then you've build up your defensive line, and hopefully offensive line, and will be ready for getting a QB in the future.

I think if you don't have a shot at a sure fire guy, and I don't think we do this year, then you take shots at getting someone who ends up better than what you spent for him. It's easy to point at Seattle and say they lucked out to get Russell Wilson, but getting him was the result of taking multiple shots reasonably on the cheap (Flynn, Whitehurst, Wilson) until they did manage to find their guy. And in the meantime they built up a very strong team to put around him.

 
Bill Polian told Chris Burke of Sports Illustrated the increased hype could hurt the Texans' chances of pulling off such a two-fer, while explaining why he feels Garoppolo may go even earlier:

[ESPN host] Suzy [Kolber] set the stage by asking me on air if Houston would be better off drafting Jadeveon Clowney at No. 1, then coming back with the first pick in the second round taking Garoppolo?' And I said, 'Well, if that's the case, he won't be there.' What I said is absolutely correct. If word gets out that that's what the [Texans'] strategy is, then other clubs that have interest in him and are below Houston in the second round would try to trade up for him. The guys that are legitimate second-round quarterbacks can get moved up, or overvalued simply because of the competitiveness and the desire to get a quarterback before someone else takes him.
 
I do think that if they go Clowney 1st overall there is a good chance they trade up late in the 1st to secure their QB. It shouldn't be overly expensive from a picks and contract money difference standpoint and there is real value in having a 5th year option on the rookie contract, especially for a QB.

 
What can we expect from Arian Foster this season? In one league I own him, I consider him my RB3 behind Marshawn and Lacy. Will it be back to business as usual for him this season or is he about done?

 
What can we expect from Arian Foster this season? In one league I own him, I consider him my RB3 behind Marshawn and Lacy. Will it be back to business as usual for him this season or is he about done?
O'Brien has not really told us much about the structure of his offense and defense outside of being very multiple on both sides of the ball, so we don't really know. That said, everything points to foster having a clear significant lead role at least in 2014.

 
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Greg Russell said:
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
I agree with most of that. To the trade value of holding him, I'd also add the slight (very slight?) smoke screen value for the draft. If no veteran signed and Schaub cut, you are pretty positive they are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd. With Schaub on the roster, still likely taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd, but it's at least feasible they could consider using the first two picks on someone else.

It's not a lot, but it could further the "we're going to take Clowney unless you trade up for him" perception. Though honestly I think they are going to take Clowney unless someone trades up for him, anyway.
Interesting. If you think they are taking Clowney, what do you think they will do regarding QB?
Take one of the QBs in the second round.

I know what coolnerd said earlier about the odds of finding a quality starting QB there, but you still have to take your shot. Yes it may only be a 20% shot, but you get one of those guys for now and hope he pans out, if not then you've build up your defensive line, and hopefully offensive line, and will be ready for getting a QB in the future.

I think if you don't have a shot at a sure fire guy, and I don't think we do this year, then you take shots at getting someone who ends up better than what you spent for him. It's easy to point at Seattle and say they lucked out to get Russell Wilson, but getting him was the result of taking multiple shots reasonably on the cheap (Flynn, Whitehurst, Wilson) until they did manage to find their guy. And in the meantime they built up a very strong team to put around him.
Just to clarify I am more anti-locking into anything before the draft than drafting a QB worthy of pick 2.1. I want real good players regardless of position and we have enough needs across the board taking that best player is a better route than position (and especially a specific player at that position)

 
Greg Russell said:
Since the Texans have not cut Matt Schaub yet, I think that means one of two things:

1) They plan to keep him

2) They will hold him until after the draft to see if someone who does not get the QB they want is desperate to trade for a veteran. if not, then they will cut him.

I think they are enough of an upstanding organization that if they thought he had no value to them, either as a player or as trade bait, they would cut him immediately so that he had the greatest chance to find a good situation. The longer they hold him the fewer spots are open and the likelihood increases that he will be a back-up or have to settle for reduced money.
I agree with most of that. To the trade value of holding him, I'd also add the slight (very slight?) smoke screen value for the draft. If no veteran signed and Schaub cut, you are pretty positive they are taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd. With Schaub on the roster, still likely taking a QB in the 1st or 2nd, but it's at least feasible they could consider using the first two picks on someone else.

It's not a lot, but it could further the "we're going to take Clowney unless you trade up for him" perception. Though honestly I think they are going to take Clowney unless someone trades up for him, anyway.
Interesting. If you think they are taking Clowney, what do you think they will do regarding QB?
Take one of the QBs in the second round.

I know what coolnerd said earlier about the odds of finding a quality starting QB there, but you still have to take your shot. Yes it may only be a 20% shot, but you get one of those guys for now and hope he pans out, if not then you've build up your defensive line, and hopefully offensive line, and will be ready for getting a QB in the future.

I think if you don't have a shot at a sure fire guy, and I don't think we do this year, then you take shots at getting someone who ends up better than what you spent for him. It's easy to point at Seattle and say they lucked out to get Russell Wilson, but getting him was the result of taking multiple shots reasonably on the cheap (Flynn, Whitehurst, Wilson) until they did manage to find their guy. And in the meantime they built up a very strong team to put around him.
I agree with your approach 100% since there are no "can't miss" QB options. :goodposting:

 
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/13/texans-may-hold-off-on-cutting-matt-schaub-try-to-trade-him/

Matt Schaub is not expected to play for the Texans this season. But that doesn’t mean the Texans are going to cut him.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans are keeping Schaub for a while, and Schaub won’t be going anywhere any time soon.

If Schaub is still on the team when the season starts, he’ll cost more than $14 million against the Texans’ salary cap. So it’s extremely unlikely that he’ll still be on the Texans in September. But the Texans may think they can get something for Schaub in a trade. And they may be right.

The Browns are reportedly interested in bringing in Schaub, who previously played for Cleveland offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. The Texans would be smart to see if they can convince the Browns to give up a draft pick for Schaub.

The Texans’ starting quarterback will probably be Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel or Blake Bortles, one of whom they’ll select with the first overall pick in the draft. But until things get settled this offseason, they’re keeping all their options open by keeping Schaub.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the Texans traded Schaub for a 6-pick?

 

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