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How 'Bout them Lions? (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
filled it in as it likely stands before FA
drfeelgood
Footballguy
I really like the direction the Lions are going in.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes, but his future is uncertain. He could be the odd man out with the addition of Fairley.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'd be more concerned with Suh staying healthy. That defense takes a huge step backwards if he misses time.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Well put...this is a rare and difft offseason...I wasn't a big fan of the spot they took Young but all in all they addressed and fulfilled some very big needs, albeit at the expense of some very big holes...you're not going to fill every need in the draft and I'm happy with the direction this team is heading. Maybe they have an outside plan to sign FA Asomugha
Native
Footballguy
Cant argue with the Fairley pick at all, but I really would have liked them to take an OL instead of Titus in round two. If Stafford is on the field for 16 games, the Lions are a playoff team. If he misses any significant time, they are not. Three of the next five picks were offensive linemen.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
While I agree with the thought, the problem is, in my opinion, there were no linemen worthy of that high of a pick. That's the same reason they passed on taking a LB or CB there.'Native said:
hutchins929
Footballguy
have you seen what that kid is capable of? At worst I see him being the Lions version of Hester. I'll take that!'Native said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
It untrue that I called it terrible.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I called it terrible and I stand by my statement
T with T
Footballguy
I agree Fairley is a wrecking ball and arguably could be better then Suh, which I know would be hard to do, but all im saying is this kid is a beast, he was SEC defensive player of the year, lombardi trophy winner, natl champ game defensive MVP, dominated LSU, ALABAMA, SEC CHAMP GAME, NAT CHAMP GAME, was a total devastating force in by far the toughest Conf in all of college football.. He played one less game then SUH and had more qb hurries, TFL then Suh in his final year at Nebraska. they both had 12 sacks.... Watch out the Fairley Suh boys are coming for some Christian Ponder.
T with T
Footballguy
How do you want that served sir, medium well or rare.... dang qbs aren't gonna look forward to playing Detroit, esp if we knock the crap out of the qbs like I think... vanden bosch and avril are great rushers from the outside.. Avril is very underrated as he had 8.5 sacks and missed 3.5 games.... the lions will lead the league in sacks this year and make the playoffs. That is 2 bold statements I will say about our Lions.
T with T
Footballguy
Im sure you are, anyone in their right mind would be devastated about facing Fairley Suh.... sickos
T with T
Footballguy
Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
T with T
Footballguy
or take a wr from boise state LOL yuck, and then trade their 4th round to get mikell leshore... good way to screw it up after an amazing pick of Fairley... Titus young and Leshore better be studs to justify this and the lions better have free agent/trade plans to get some Olb, Cb at the very least with some ol help sooon
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
SO good they just drafted his replacement.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
I would not proclaim the Lions in the playoffs just yet.....on paper, Fairley looks good but really has only put in one spectacular year...not only that, but Suh makes the Lions D line awesome on his own, so I guess if your goal is to make something more awesome than awesome, mission accomplished!!!! This actually is not unlike the tried and true Lion strategy of picking wrs many moons ago. I would actually compare it to a Madden football situation where the Lions go from having a 97% D Line to now having a 99% Dline. It doesn't really help the fact that they have a 60% secondary or 75% linebackers.
Also, I would not be very optimistic about Stafford. Quite simply, what has he done even when healthy? The three games he played last year were pretty good, but nothing at all special. There are many qbs in the league who have a few good games here and there... Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer and McNabb all had a couple awesome games last year....big deal. Two good games with one clunker does not get you penciled in for a probowl slot. I would argue that Stafford has a long way to go before even being mentioned in the same breath as Flacco or Schaub.
That is not to say if the chips fall into place, the Lions won't contend for a playoff spot, but I would be careful in that assessment as of right now because on paper, the Lions are really no better than the Vikings, Seahawks, Rams, Cardinals, etc...as a matter of fact, if you were to pin me down, I would predict that this year, the pundits are going to pick the Lions to make the playoffs/ win the division and they will, like the 49ers this year when put under actual pressure, ##### the bed and end up firing their coach again.
Also, I would not be very optimistic about Stafford. Quite simply, what has he done even when healthy? The three games he played last year were pretty good, but nothing at all special. There are many qbs in the league who have a few good games here and there... Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, Carson Palmer and McNabb all had a couple awesome games last year....big deal. Two good games with one clunker does not get you penciled in for a probowl slot. I would argue that Stafford has a long way to go before even being mentioned in the same breath as Flacco or Schaub.
That is not to say if the chips fall into place, the Lions won't contend for a playoff spot, but I would be careful in that assessment as of right now because on paper, the Lions are really no better than the Vikings, Seahawks, Rams, Cardinals, etc...as a matter of fact, if you were to pin me down, I would predict that this year, the pundits are going to pick the Lions to make the playoffs/ win the division and they will, like the 49ers this year when put under actual pressure, ##### the bed and end up firing their coach again.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Long term replacement, yes. Short term, expect to see a lot of Corey Williams. If you watched all the Lions games, you'd notice that Williams was doubled just as much as Suh. While Williams does not have Suh's athleticism to run down ball carriers, he is better at taking on blockers and closing gaps in the running game. He drew a lot of double teams away from Suh. If you actually look back in the highlights, Suh isn't being double teamed very often and Corey Williams is a big part of it.SO good they just drafted his replacement.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Here is a brief look at the entirety of the Mayhew era:
Following the 0-16 season, this team was devoid of youth and talent. In 2 years, they have turned over 2 QB spots, 3 RB spots, 2 WR and 2 TE spots, replaced 2 guards, added 6 of the 7 current d-linemen in the rotation, turned over the entire secondary, added a good young LB to the mix, and added one of the best return guys in the game for special teams. I don't think we could expect much more. The best part is we have added young players and players with 1st/2nd and 3rd round talent.
QB: Stafford 23, 1st round pick
RB: Best, 22, 1st round pick and 21 Leshore, 2nd round pick
WR: CJ, 25, 1st round pick, Nate Burelson, 29, 3rd round pick, and Titus Young 21, 2nd round pick
TE: Pettigrew, 26, 1st round pick
DT: Suh, 24, 1st round pick, Fairley, 23, 1st round pick, Sammie Lee Hill, 24, 4th round
DE: Lawrence Jackson, 25 and 1st round, Avril, 25, 3rd round pick
LB: Levy, 24, 3rd round and Bobby Carpenter, 27, 1st round pick
CB: Houston, 26, 2nd round and Alphonso Smith, 25 and 1st round pick
S: Delmas, 24, 2nd round and Spievey, 23, 3rd round.
Average age of Detroit's 12 offensive players expected to see significant time (8 skill players, 5 OL): 26.3 years, average round drafted 1.8
Average age of Detroit's 15 defenders that I see as being a part of the regular rotation (7 DL, 3 LB, 5 DBs,): 25.2, average round drafted: 2.6
How much younger or more "talented" can they get? I put talent in quotations because some of those young players are not proven or fully developed and we can't success by draft slot. However, to be drafted in the first 3 rounds, a player has to have a special skills that scouts, coaches, and GMs recognize as NFL starter caliber.
Following the 0-16 season, this team was devoid of youth and talent. In 2 years, they have turned over 2 QB spots, 3 RB spots, 2 WR and 2 TE spots, replaced 2 guards, added 6 of the 7 current d-linemen in the rotation, turned over the entire secondary, added a good young LB to the mix, and added one of the best return guys in the game for special teams. I don't think we could expect much more. The best part is we have added young players and players with 1st/2nd and 3rd round talent.
QB: Stafford 23, 1st round pick
RB: Best, 22, 1st round pick and 21 Leshore, 2nd round pick
WR: CJ, 25, 1st round pick, Nate Burelson, 29, 3rd round pick, and Titus Young 21, 2nd round pick
TE: Pettigrew, 26, 1st round pick
DT: Suh, 24, 1st round pick, Fairley, 23, 1st round pick, Sammie Lee Hill, 24, 4th round
DE: Lawrence Jackson, 25 and 1st round, Avril, 25, 3rd round pick
LB: Levy, 24, 3rd round and Bobby Carpenter, 27, 1st round pick
CB: Houston, 26, 2nd round and Alphonso Smith, 25 and 1st round pick
S: Delmas, 24, 2nd round and Spievey, 23, 3rd round.
Average age of Detroit's 12 offensive players expected to see significant time (8 skill players, 5 OL): 26.3 years, average round drafted 1.8
Average age of Detroit's 15 defenders that I see as being a part of the regular rotation (7 DL, 3 LB, 5 DBs,): 25.2, average round drafted: 2.6
How much younger or more "talented" can they get? I put talent in quotations because some of those young players are not proven or fully developed and we can't success by draft slot. However, to be drafted in the first 3 rounds, a player has to have a special skills that scouts, coaches, and GMs recognize as NFL starter caliber.
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I am with you on picking up a slot WR in the second, we will get marginal use out of him. But LeShoure will be a vital part of the offense. I think that was an excellent pickup.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The draft is over, the lockout is here, so what's next?
"Sleep," Lions general manager Martin Mayhew said. "And after that, Monday I guess, we'll see what happens in court and see kind of how things go."
While the NFL turns its collective eye to a St. Louis court awaiting a ruling on how to proceed with this weird off-season, the Lions and other teams are back preparing for the new season.
Coach Jim Schwartz said he and his assistants will turn their attention to this fall's schedule in the coming days, breaking down film of the season's first few opponents. Mayhew and the front office will finalize plans for free agency now that five draft picks have been added.
"We had our free agency meetings back in February," Mayhew said. "I saved my notes. And I'll refresh those, and I'll be ready to go."
The parameters of free agency still aren't known -- is unrestricted free agency four years? Six? Is there a salary cap? -- and when the league year begins could determine how active teams are with trades or on the open market. The longer the lockout lasts, the less movement there might be.
The Lions have the bulk of last year's roster under contract, but they did little to address their two most pressing positions of need in the draft. They waited until the fifth round to take a linebacker -- Syracuse's Doug Hogue, who has played just two years at the position and said he thought he'd go in the seventh round -- and ignored their depth at cornerback.
Pass-rushing defensive tackle Nick Fairley's presence should help the back seven, but Mayhew said he'll "look for an opportunity to add players to that group" once the league year begins.
"Alphonso Smith, Aaron Berry, Chris Houston, Bobby Carpenter, Ashlee Palmer, these aren't guys who you're embarrassed to put on the field," Mayhew said. "These are good football players. We want to upgrade that area of our team, but those are guys that can play."
On offense, the Lions aren't likely to look significantly different than they do now.
Quarterback Matthew Stafford is throwing after undergoing January shoulder surgery and missing most of last season, and he has two new weapons in second-round picks Titus Young and Mikel Leshoure.
Both players will have an immediate role in the fall: Young as the third receiver complement to Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson, Leshoure as Jahvid Best's sidekick at running back. It's unlikely Best and Leshoure will see much time together, but Leshoure can handle short-yardage carries, be the clock-chewer in 4-minute situations, and if Best's injury problems persist maybe even an every-down back.
Still, as the Lion evaluate the free-agent market, their needs and the undrafted rookie pool, Mayhew said there may be upgrades.
"There are a lot of other places we can get better besides cornerback and linebacker," he said. "We're just ready to try to improve, whether it's through trade, free agency, waiver claims. We're always looking for players."
Contact Dave Birkett: 313-222-8831 or dbirkett@freepress.com.
"Sleep," Lions general manager Martin Mayhew said. "And after that, Monday I guess, we'll see what happens in court and see kind of how things go."
While the NFL turns its collective eye to a St. Louis court awaiting a ruling on how to proceed with this weird off-season, the Lions and other teams are back preparing for the new season.
Coach Jim Schwartz said he and his assistants will turn their attention to this fall's schedule in the coming days, breaking down film of the season's first few opponents. Mayhew and the front office will finalize plans for free agency now that five draft picks have been added.
"We had our free agency meetings back in February," Mayhew said. "I saved my notes. And I'll refresh those, and I'll be ready to go."
The parameters of free agency still aren't known -- is unrestricted free agency four years? Six? Is there a salary cap? -- and when the league year begins could determine how active teams are with trades or on the open market. The longer the lockout lasts, the less movement there might be.
The Lions have the bulk of last year's roster under contract, but they did little to address their two most pressing positions of need in the draft. They waited until the fifth round to take a linebacker -- Syracuse's Doug Hogue, who has played just two years at the position and said he thought he'd go in the seventh round -- and ignored their depth at cornerback.
Pass-rushing defensive tackle Nick Fairley's presence should help the back seven, but Mayhew said he'll "look for an opportunity to add players to that group" once the league year begins.
"Alphonso Smith, Aaron Berry, Chris Houston, Bobby Carpenter, Ashlee Palmer, these aren't guys who you're embarrassed to put on the field," Mayhew said. "These are good football players. We want to upgrade that area of our team, but those are guys that can play."
On offense, the Lions aren't likely to look significantly different than they do now.
Quarterback Matthew Stafford is throwing after undergoing January shoulder surgery and missing most of last season, and he has two new weapons in second-round picks Titus Young and Mikel Leshoure.
Both players will have an immediate role in the fall: Young as the third receiver complement to Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson, Leshoure as Jahvid Best's sidekick at running back. It's unlikely Best and Leshoure will see much time together, but Leshoure can handle short-yardage carries, be the clock-chewer in 4-minute situations, and if Best's injury problems persist maybe even an every-down back.
Still, as the Lion evaluate the free-agent market, their needs and the undrafted rookie pool, Mayhew said there may be upgrades.
"There are a lot of other places we can get better besides cornerback and linebacker," he said. "We're just ready to try to improve, whether it's through trade, free agency, waiver claims. We're always looking for players."
Contact Dave Birkett: 313-222-8831 or dbirkett@freepress.com.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Mel Kiper 2011 NFL Draft Grades Say Detroit Lions Had Best Draft Class
The Detroit Lions went after value in this draft and it worked for them on paper.
Selections:
(1)13 Nick Fairley
(2)44 Titus Young
(2)57 Mikel Leshoure
(5)157 Douglas Hogue
(7)209 Johnny Culbreath
Grade: A-
The Detroit Lions needed themselves a cornerback in this draft and they didn't find one anywhere.
Fairley is arguably the best value pick in the draft and his pairing alongside Ndamukong Suh will make this defensive line fierce for a long time.
I think they reached for Titus Young though.
Kiper concludes his analysis with:
But even after those questions, the value was oustanding. Fairley, Young, Leshoure and even Hogue could have gone earlier. Is it possible to love a Detroit draft when the Lions didn't add major help at cornerback or offensive tackle? Ask me after free agency, I guess.
The value is great, but this was hardly the best draft in the league.
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Yes, Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh are going to be great together, but they had other major needs.
Titus Young is a new dimension for this offense, but they passed on a number of cornerbacks to take him. He also isn't one of my favorite receivers in this draft because he'll get manhandled by bigger players.
Young is not as talented as DeSean Jackson and he has trouble staying healthy as it is already.
Mikel Leshoure is a great fit for this team alongside Jahvid Best and was also a very good value pick.
Douglas Hogue is actually one of my favorite players in this draft and he's got the athleticism and work ethic to succeed when he gets his opportunity.
This is a problem for this team though, their secondary still desperately needs help.
They got great value with most of their picks, but they missed at positions of need; not top of the class material.
The Detroit Lions went after value in this draft and it worked for them on paper.
Selections:
(1)13 Nick Fairley
(2)44 Titus Young
(2)57 Mikel Leshoure
(5)157 Douglas Hogue
(7)209 Johnny Culbreath
Grade: A-
The Detroit Lions needed themselves a cornerback in this draft and they didn't find one anywhere.
Fairley is arguably the best value pick in the draft and his pairing alongside Ndamukong Suh will make this defensive line fierce for a long time.
I think they reached for Titus Young though.
Kiper concludes his analysis with:
But even after those questions, the value was oustanding. Fairley, Young, Leshoure and even Hogue could have gone earlier. Is it possible to love a Detroit draft when the Lions didn't add major help at cornerback or offensive tackle? Ask me after free agency, I guess.
The value is great, but this was hardly the best draft in the league.
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Yes, Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh are going to be great together, but they had other major needs.
Titus Young is a new dimension for this offense, but they passed on a number of cornerbacks to take him. He also isn't one of my favorite receivers in this draft because he'll get manhandled by bigger players.
Young is not as talented as DeSean Jackson and he has trouble staying healthy as it is already.
Mikel Leshoure is a great fit for this team alongside Jahvid Best and was also a very good value pick.
Douglas Hogue is actually one of my favorite players in this draft and he's got the athleticism and work ethic to succeed when he gets his opportunity.
This is a problem for this team though, their secondary still desperately needs help.
They got great value with most of their picks, but they missed at positions of need; not top of the class material.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well if Mel said it...it must be true 
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It looks good on paper for sure. Talk to me 3-4 years from now.
Id rather see how the 2007-2008 and maybe 2009 drafts are grading out at this point. Much more valuable information than deciding who was the best in this draft since we won't see these guys on the field for a while.
If Ponder works out...Minnesota could have had the best draft...you never know.
.It looks good on paper for sure. Talk to me 3-4 years from now.
Id rather see how the 2007-2008 and maybe 2009 drafts are grading out at this point. Much more valuable information than deciding who was the best in this draft since we won't see these guys on the field for a while.
If Ponder works out...Minnesota could have had the best draft...you never know.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
all the pundits loved the roy williams/kevin jones draft as well.Well if Mel said it...it must be true
The answer to "how can that offense not compete?" is that it's missing five players. The big ones, whose job it is to keep the candybones at QB and RB on the field. As long as Stafford and Best are getting annihilated at or behind the line, this team is never going anywhere.It's nice that you may have the premiere set of highlight reel DT's in the game. Unfortunately, DT is about the last place you need highlight reel guys if your goal is to stack up W's.I mean, highlight reel guys are NEVER a bad thing. But if you had to choose where to invest in your dynamic performers, and where to settle for competent, workmanlike plodders...well, the Lions haven't really hit that sweetspot yet, and I'm not sure this draft helps.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Offensive line was not their main issue. Backus is a good LT and has another year left. Sims was above average is only 27. Gosder does have the injury, but last year he blossomed into a good RT. He is very young still. I'm not a big fan of Peterman or Raiola, but I was really impressed by the play of some of our young linemen- especially Corey Hilliard. I would expect a free agent signing at guard and a very high likelihood of a C and tackle being taken high next year. I would be worried 2012 and beyond, but for 2011, this is an average NFL OL.'meatwad1 said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Lions were 0-16 two years ago. They had CJ, a raw Cliff Avril, Jeff Backus, and Dominic Raiola. That is it. They have turned over LG,RG,WR1,WR2,WR3,TE1,TE2,QB1,QB2,DE1,DE3,DT1,DT2,DT3,DT4,MLB,OLB,OLB,CB1,CB2,CB3,FS,SS. Of those 20 spots, only 3 players 30 or older. I expect THIS offseason and next to see 4 or 5 more spots turned over. That will be the OL and back 7 of the D.'Zeff said:
DocGonzo
Footballguy
Some good comments on Stafford and his recovery via Albert Breer:
One of the things teams are able to do under the lockout rules is keep tabs on the health of injured players through doctors and trainers, and so here's some good news for Detroit fans: Lions president Tom Lewand tells me that Stafford's recovery, according to the trainers, is "off the charts."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8200b7be/article/moss-landing-with-jets-turning-into-more-than-just-talk
One of the things teams are able to do under the lockout rules is keep tabs on the health of injured players through doctors and trainers, and so here's some good news for Detroit fans: Lions president Tom Lewand tells me that Stafford's recovery, according to the trainers, is "off the charts."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8200b7be/article/moss-landing-with-jets-turning-into-more-than-just-talk
Sinrman
Footballguy
Well yeah... our future depends on Stafford staying upright. Hill did admirable in filling in, but he's not the long term future. We have GOT to keep Stafford
healthy or it will be another Jamarcus Russell-esque bust. We dumped a TON of money in Stafford. That is why the last two drafts I've been disappointed that we didn't
go for top O-lineman to protect him. I like Pettigrew, but I still firmly believe we should have gone Michael Oher with that pick.
healthy or it will be another Jamarcus Russell-esque bust. We dumped a TON of money in Stafford. That is why the last two drafts I've been disappointed that we didn't
go for top O-lineman to protect him. I like Pettigrew, but I still firmly believe we should have gone Michael Oher with that pick.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
One thing I would be concerned with is that lack of a push in the run game for the Lions. Last year they seemed rather solid in pass pro (Shaun Hill was sacked just 17 times in 416 pass attempts. Stafford/Stanton were sacked 10 times in 215 pass attempts.
The concern is the following...
Jahvid Best: 171 carries with a 3.2 (!) YPC
Maurice Morris: 90 carries with a 3.7 YPC
Kevin Smith: 34 carries with a 3.9 YPC
That is beyond ugly. They got good value on paper with their draft picks (I like the Doug Hogue selection a lot) but I'm not sure how having such a dominant DL with a another raw rookie RB (on top of another young RB) and a young WR is going to help the team maintain drives through the ground game when required.
I'd also be concerned, granted these were with Shaun Hill/Drew Stanton, that they only topped 24 points in just 2 games after their win over Washington last year that put them to 2-5. One of their wins was a flukish 7-3 score over Green Bay in which Matt Flynn had to come in at QB in place of Rodgers. The great teams now have to also score points.
New England: 1st
NY Jets: 13th
Pittsburgh: 12th
Baltimore: 16th
Indianapolis: 4th
Philadelphia: 3rd
Atlanta: 5th
New Orleans: 11th
Tampa Bay: 20th [Finished 9th in Points Allowed]
Chicago: 21st [Finished 4th in Points Allowed]
Green Bay: 10th
Seattle: 23rd [Finished 25th in Points Allowed] - Got in simply because they came from the NFC West and finished 7-9 anyway.
In order to be a playoff team, Detroit is likely going to have to find a way to finish 10-6 or 11-5 since GB is on the rise and Chicago always has a chance to suddenly take the division (same with Minnesota to a lesser extent).
The concern is the following...
Jahvid Best: 171 carries with a 3.2 (!) YPC
Maurice Morris: 90 carries with a 3.7 YPC
Kevin Smith: 34 carries with a 3.9 YPC
That is beyond ugly. They got good value on paper with their draft picks (I like the Doug Hogue selection a lot) but I'm not sure how having such a dominant DL with a another raw rookie RB (on top of another young RB) and a young WR is going to help the team maintain drives through the ground game when required.
I'd also be concerned, granted these were with Shaun Hill/Drew Stanton, that they only topped 24 points in just 2 games after their win over Washington last year that put them to 2-5. One of their wins was a flukish 7-3 score over Green Bay in which Matt Flynn had to come in at QB in place of Rodgers. The great teams now have to also score points.
New England: 1st
NY Jets: 13th
Pittsburgh: 12th
Baltimore: 16th
Indianapolis: 4th
Philadelphia: 3rd
Atlanta: 5th
New Orleans: 11th
Tampa Bay: 20th [Finished 9th in Points Allowed]
Chicago: 21st [Finished 4th in Points Allowed]
Green Bay: 10th
Seattle: 23rd [Finished 25th in Points Allowed] - Got in simply because they came from the NFC West and finished 7-9 anyway.
In order to be a playoff team, Detroit is likely going to have to find a way to finish 10-6 or 11-5 since GB is on the rise and Chicago always has a chance to suddenly take the division (same with Minnesota to a lesser extent).
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Stafford has led team workouts in Michigan. He's thrown with Calvin and Chad Johnson, as well as Titus Young. He looks a lot stronger. They mentioned he has committed himself to a more advanced weight training regimen.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Any reason for the pinning of this thread?
