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How 'Bout them Lions? (1 Viewer)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Nice draft so far.
If Stafford is a healthy QB then they can really do some major damage.
If Stafford is a healthy QB then they can really do some major damage.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They addressed a need with Titus. The Lion's cannot fill all the defensive needs in this draft and they know they need to put up points. Speed on the other side of Calvin will make this offense extremely dangerous. If Best can stay healthy it would give them a triangle of dangerous speed.
Yep, LeShoure would have contributed so much more. Best is a great change of pace back, but just does not seem durable to be in there every down. Mikel would have been a beast and would have been a great compliment to Best.
Titus is somewhat fast, but not a real burner.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He is not a burner? If that is the case they should have waited until round three for WR.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I really like Titus, best route runner in the draft. In addition, the Lions weakest position in terms of depth might have been WR can nam. After Calvin and Burelson, there isn't another WR on the roster. Bryant Johnson and Derrick Williams have been as good as cut for awhile now.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
4.43 at the combine, but 4.38/4.35 at the Boise State pro day. Reputed to have a great burst.
There you go.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Now you have your cake and can eat it too.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
As I stated in the other thread...
The LIONs have NOTHING after Best at RB.
They had to get some talent. It was possibly the thinnest position for any team in the NFl considering Best injuries last year.
This pick makes total since. And may not even hurt Best, so long as Best stays healthy.
The LIONs have NOTHING after Best at RB.
They had to get some talent. It was possibly the thinnest position for any team in the NFl considering Best injuries last year.
This pick makes total since. And may not even hurt Best, so long as Best stays healthy.
Detroit Revival
Footballguy
What'd the Lions give to the Seahawks to get their 2nd?
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
•Seahawks trade the No. 57 pick along with fifth- (No. 157) and seventh-round picks (209) to the Lions for third- (No. 75), fourth- (No. 107), fifth- (No. 154) and seventh-round picks (No. 205).2nd + 5th + 7th
for
3rd + 4th + 5th + 7th
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Seattle traded its 2nd-round pick, 5th-round and 7th-rd pick for Detroit's 3rd (75), 4th (107), 5th (No. 154) and 7th (205).
Detroit Revival
Footballguy
Very nice. Thanks for the info! Looks to be a great trade for the Lions to essentially give up their 3rd and 4th for the arguably 2nd best RB in the draft.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
yea now they wait until the 2nd round to draft a marginal WR'Gamblin said:
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Still not in love with the Titus pick, but definitely don't mind getting LeShoure afterall. They'll have to address most of their defensive needs in FA now, but oh well...Titus will be an adequate slot WR. A stretch that early in round 2, but he will contribute. But I do love the other two picks. Two of the best picks in the draft.yea now they wait until the 2nd round to draft a marginal WR'Gamblin said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Lions killed it. Props.
2HR's and a single.Lions killed it. Props.
zilladog
Footballguy
Suh and Fairley will make up for a lot of their defensive issues. 65 sacks a game may just be all they need
Sinrman
Footballguy
I'm warming up to the Fairley pick. Gives us a fantastic duo up front, assuming Fairley doesn't turn lazy on us (I don't think Suh or Schwartz will let him though). Kinda was hoping for OL to protect Stafford, like Castanza or whatever his name is. Wouldn't have minded a top DE or CB either. But hey, it at least wasn't a terrible pick. Titus Young though? Not thrilled with that pick. Hope he proves me wrong though. LeShoure? Excellent. Loved that move. Are we praying to pick up a veteran O-lineman in FA whenever that is opened or are we actually believing that our line can keep Stafford upright? If so... biiiig mistake!
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
so the lions have no pick until the 6th round, didnt address their terrible oline, linee backing core or secondary.
I know Rome wasnt built in a day but the 2nd round picks today were not very "need" worthy for the lions.
C+
I know Rome wasnt built in a day but the 2nd round picks today were not very "need" worthy for the lions.
C+
Sinrman
Footballguy
Eh, wouldn't say a C+ but a B or B- so far. Problem with the O-line issue is that unless they took one instead of Fairley, they weren't going to get one of the top ones with their 2nd rounder. Seven were gone by the end of the 1st round, and the remaining ones didn't seem worthy of a 2nd rounder. I was kinda hoping we would trade back into the late 1st round to nab one of the remaining available O-linemen. At least the guy that Green Bay took. I knew they were going to take one, so it would have been win-win to keep him out of Green Bay and to bolster our own line.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Williams is a nice DT...but there is a far cry from being good and being nearly just as good as Suh who had an incredible year.We are talking about DT- that is a position that can't always be measured by stats. Williams was really good last year with the exception of his false start penalties.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Gunther Cunningham and Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski were saying it all year.Williams is a nice DT...but there is a far cry from being good and being nearly just as good as Suh who had an incredible year.We are talking about DT- that is a position that can't always be measured by stats. Williams was really good last year with the exception of his false start penalties.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well, if a beat writer and coach were pumping up a player...it must all be true.Sorry, from what I see...Williams is a very good DT...Suh is freaking outstanding and it was not all that close.(And Im one who disagreed with Ted Thompson on not resigning Williams during the year before he let him go...though, now it works out as he does not really fit the 3-4).Gunther Cunningham and Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski were saying it all year.Williams is a nice DT...but there is a far cry from being good and being nearly just as good as Suh who had an incredible year.We are talking about DT- that is a position that can't always be measured by stats. Williams was really good last year with the exception of his false start penalties.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lions offensive line was actually one of the best pass protection groups in the league last year.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am not saying Williams is as talented as Suh- ofcourse not. Suh is unreal. However, Suh also had some struggles last year. He didn't always do a great job against the run and there were times he looked very rookie-like. Suh is great at penetrating the middle, but Williams is much better at the traditional role of being a DT: eating up blocks and clogging the middle running lanes.Well, if a beat writer and coach were pumping up a player...it must all be true.Sorry, from what I see...Williams is a very good DT...Suh is freaking outstanding and it was not all that close.(And Im one who disagreed with Ted Thompson on not resigning Williams during the year before he let him go...though, now it works out as he does not really fit the 3-4).Gunther Cunningham and Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski were saying it all year.Williams is a nice DT...but there is a far cry from being good and being nearly just as good as Suh who had an incredible year.We are talking about DT- that is a position that can't always be measured by stats. Williams was really good last year with the exception of his false start penalties.Suh 66 tackles 10 sacks.Williams 37 tackles 2 sacks.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Is pass protection the only thing a line does?Reminds me of Vikings fans talking about how great their line was because they could run the ball...meanwhile they were giving up 40 sacks per year.
I think they do need to address the Oline and secondary at some point. I would not call it a terrible Oline...but average and IMO every team should keep building bodies and depth on the Oline.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
As a guy who has been loving what the Lions have done in recent drafts, I have to agree that the o-line needs to be addressed and I wonder if they aren't taking a track of building the d-line, getting outside weapons and addressing the rest via free agency.
All I know is as much as I'm excited about the future of this franchise, the present line could really derail that if they don't see more improvements soon.
All I know is as much as I'm excited about the future of this franchise, the present line could really derail that if they don't see more improvements soon.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Lions actually ran the ball very well to the left side, but did struggle running up the middle and to the right. I believe the offensive line certainly could be upgraded, but you called it terrible which is untrue. The Lions will be addressing LB and CB in free agency.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Mayhew probably saw the same things many of us saw...this draft is incredibly weak for CBs and LBs and offensive tackles. Once he took Fairley (a no brainer), my guess is he didn't see any LBs, CBs, or OL worthy of a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I was really hoping to see Bruce Carter slide.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think they are fine this year, but time is ticking fast on Backus and Raiola. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take spend their top 2 picks on offensive linemen next year with a LT and C like the Jets did a few years ago.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't agree that there were no LBs or CBs worthy of a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Brandon Harris and Justin Houston were both available in the 2nd round for either of Det's picks. Both guys were almost universally rated as boarder line 1st round talents. I know Houston had character concerns that dropped him, I'm not sure what Harris deal was. As a matter of fact, when I saw Det was trading up for that 2nd round pick I thought for sure they would be calling Harris' name. I like the Leshoure pick as well so it's not a knock on the pick. Both were great needs, I guess Det simply had Leshoure rated higher. It's hard for me to 2nd guess any of Det's picks as I really like all of the players they got. I think they took Young too early though. I would have expected him to be there in the 3rd. I guess that's kind of irrelevant considering they traded their 3rd though.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
Would have loved to see Bruce Carter here. He shows up in every UNC game I've seen.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I think they would have taken him if he was there. That was what I wanted to see. After he was gone, the LB dropoff was pretty steep in my opinion. I didn't care for the Young pick. He went too early. I loved the Leshoure pick.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Bingo, one of the worst run blocking olines in all of football
Football Critic
Footballguy
C'mon guys, things are different this year, dont be so critical just yet.
Normally you sign your free agents and fill your remaining needs with the drasft.
We need to be more critical of free agency then we are of the draft this year.
Fairley = Stud, I personally cant believe he fell to 13.
Young = I managed to watch a lot of Boise St. games cuz of some crazy little package I had from my sat provider. The kid is good, hes fast, precise in his routes, explosive, and very good after the catch. I remember him making many plays while I watched the games, punt returns, end arounds, deep routes, special teams. I'm not a fan of the place they took him, but he will be good I believe.
Leshoure = Face it after Best, who? We would of had to get one in free agency, but I like this approach. He was the second best RB and prolly one of the better players on the board. Sometimes, just like fantasy take the best value, it will prove to come in handy.
So that leaves CB, LB, OL, DE, and S left to get. They get a solid vet at each, they should be a real contender, seeing as how we know they can compete with the Pack now...after all. they did knock out ARod and beat the champs last year.
QB - Stafford
RB - Best, Leshoure
WR - Johnson, Burleson, Young
TE - Pettigrew
Our offense is complete, young and talented, if they can stay healthy how can this offense not compete?
Defense is another story...hope the leos do well in FA
DT - Suh, Williams, Fairley
DE - Vanden Bosch, Avril/?
LB - ?
CB - ?
S - Delmas and ?
Normally you sign your free agents and fill your remaining needs with the drasft.
We need to be more critical of free agency then we are of the draft this year.
Fairley = Stud, I personally cant believe he fell to 13.
Young = I managed to watch a lot of Boise St. games cuz of some crazy little package I had from my sat provider. The kid is good, hes fast, precise in his routes, explosive, and very good after the catch. I remember him making many plays while I watched the games, punt returns, end arounds, deep routes, special teams. I'm not a fan of the place they took him, but he will be good I believe.
Leshoure = Face it after Best, who? We would of had to get one in free agency, but I like this approach. He was the second best RB and prolly one of the better players on the board. Sometimes, just like fantasy take the best value, it will prove to come in handy.
So that leaves CB, LB, OL, DE, and S left to get. They get a solid vet at each, they should be a real contender, seeing as how we know they can compete with the Pack now...after all. they did knock out ARod and beat the champs last year.
QB - Stafford
RB - Best, Leshoure
WR - Johnson, Burleson, Young
TE - Pettigrew
Our offense is complete, young and talented, if they can stay healthy how can this offense not compete?
Defense is another story...hope the leos do well in FA
DT - Suh, Williams, Fairley
DE - Vanden Bosch, Avril/?
LB - ?
CB - ?
S - Delmas and ?
Detroit Revival
Footballguy
Just as an aside, they had an interview with Schwartz during the Rds 4-7 coverage. Their goal was to make their strengths stronger. They definitely did that. Beefing up their D=line magically makes their CBs better. It'll mean more qbs will be forcing the ball out. I like it. Also by adding to their offense they gave Stafford another target and a big strong back. Their O-line wasn't that bad. Don't equate Stafford's injuries with the o-line. I like what I see and I'm sure that we'll be active in free agency as well. Schwartz knocked on Vandenbosch's door when free agency to convince him to sign with the lions. This is a new team with a new direction. I, as a longsuffering Lions fan, love it.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
The OL is not very good. That could prove to be problematic.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I saw a different Lions team last year and they seem to keep getting better on defense. Its going to be very difficult to beat them moving forward. They still have some weakness in the secondary but the Lions have come a long way over past 2 years.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Not sure if this was mentioned, but drafting Fairley helps their pass defense too. If Fairley pans out, and Vanden Bosch is healthy, to go along with Suh, the Lions secondary can cheat towards passing plays, expecting their massive D-line to stuff the run. Those big d-tackles should also collapse the pocket, causing havoc on opposing quarterbacks, leading to tipped passes and rushed throws. Talent wise, no, the Lions didn't do much, if anything, to upgrade their secondary. Maybe they'll pick up some one if/when the lockout is over and free agency is back. But the passing defense will be better just based on the fact that they can cheat towards pass plays more. This is a team with suddenly one of the best nucleus's in football. The Vikings pass D was never amazing but the Williams wall + Jared Allen covered for a lot of their mistakes, and made them look better than they were (Winfield is slow and overrated imo). Fairley, Suh, Stafford (if this china doll can ever stay healthy), best, calvin is an amazing young core. plus pettigrew and leshoure should help out. This team should be a wild card contender, possibly as soon as this year. This still need upgrades at line backer, corner and offensive line, but they are well on their way at least. Kudos to them for passing on smith/amuakamara to give themselves the new Williams wall of this division.
hutchins929
Footballguy
The Lions are pretty well set up for FA. They are set at all offensive skill positions. I think their run blocking was as more of a product of having Shaun Hill and Stanton under center. With those two, any D will force them to beat them.
Defensively, they have a lot of DLman. 7 legitimate starters. I don't see the definite need for a secondary. Smith was pretty good. Houston was okay. And they still have Speivey. Delmas is there too. There are 3 big picks back there. What they really need is a true middle LB. Levy needs to move outside. You can't play good pass D when you have liabilities at linebacker. When Follett is expected to cover anybody, it will make the rest look real bad.
A signing at the OL, a couple LBs and a CB could make them pretty damn good. The team was a lot better than their record showed.
Defensively, they have a lot of DLman. 7 legitimate starters. I don't see the definite need for a secondary. Smith was pretty good. Houston was okay. And they still have Speivey. Delmas is there too. There are 3 big picks back there. What they really need is a true middle LB. Levy needs to move outside. You can't play good pass D when you have liabilities at linebacker. When Follett is expected to cover anybody, it will make the rest look real bad.
A signing at the OL, a couple LBs and a CB could make them pretty damn good. The team was a lot better than their record showed.
hutchins929
Footballguy
They had another win that was stolen by the refs against the Bears too.
