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How 'bout them Reds! (2 Viewers)

Is there any chance Dusty starts to get a whiff is the hot seat?

I have never disliked him or been a big fan, so I was wondering if there is a fan opinion on whether he should be coming back.

 
Oh, the promise of Spring has been replaced by the cruel realities of the dog days of Summer. If I find any solace in the lost season for the Cardinals it is that the Reds are even worse. I still hate that ******* Cueto. Its the freaking Brewers, people...how are we letting them run away with this? The Reds and Cardinals should be ashamed for this traveshemockery of a season.

 
Congrats to Bronson Arroyo. He went into tonight's start tied with Uncle Milty for the Reds all-time record with 40 HR's allowed in a season.

He, so far tonight, has started to crush that record, giving up 3 jacks in the first 3 innings. Only 5 behind the NL record, now, and 8 for the MLB record.

Go big or go home! :thumbup: :sick:

For all the things that our GM has done right, he had a huge ####up with the extension on Arroyo. Ugh. That's going to be a huge anchor on payroll for the next two seasons.

 
Somebody better find Yonder a position this off-season. Surely he can't be any worse than Dunn was in LF, and the management was alright with that for the better part of a decade.

 
'RnR said:
Somebody better find Yonder a position this off-season. Surely he can't be any worse than Dunn was in LF, and the management was alright with that for the better part of a decade.
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He's worse. Honestly, he's pretty terrible at 1st too.But ya, they're going to play him in left anyway. We need his bat. This team played Dmitri Young at 3rd base so thats an option I guess. It's just so obvious that Dusty is not on board with throwing the kid out there everyday and watching him butcher every position. If he were in the AL, he could easily have a Billy Butler type career with a few more extra base hits.
 
Dusty posted his first lineup today. The only thing remotely interesting is Ludwick in the cleanup spot (meaning Rolen 6) and Mes starting at catcher.

If I had to guess today, I'd say that Ludwick at cleanup sticks, but Hannigan gets the OD start at C.

 
'cheese said:
Dusty posted his first lineup today. The only thing remotely interesting is Ludwick in the cleanup spot (meaning Rolen 6) and Mes starting at catcher. If I had to guess today, I'd say that Ludwick at cleanup sticks, but Hannigan gets the OD start at C.
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stubbs leadoff?
 
'cheese said:
'bweiser said:
'cheese said:
Dusty posted his first lineup today. The only thing remotely interesting is Ludwick in the cleanup spot (meaning Rolen 6) and Mes starting at catcher. If I had to guess today, I'd say that Ludwick at cleanup sticks, but Hannigan gets the OD start at C.
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stubbs leadoff?
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Phillips has been leading off. Stubbs 6 or 7.
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The front office has improved the roster for sure, but yeah, leadoff is a glaring hole. Brandon needs to be at the 2 spot.
 
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.

Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.

 
I don't want to get overly excited about an Orioles castoff but Alfredo Simon is an interesting pickup; very live fastball, can be used in multiple roles, just don't stand too close to him on New Year's Eve.

 
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
'bweiser said:
'cheese said:
Dusty posted his first lineup today. The only thing remotely interesting is Ludwick in the cleanup spot (meaning Rolen 6) and Mes starting at catcher. If I had to guess today, I'd say that Ludwick at cleanup sticks, but Hannigan gets the OD start at C.
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stubbs leadoff?
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Phillips has been leading off. Stubbs 6 or 7.
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The front office has improved the roster for sure, but yeah, leadoff is a glaring hole. Brandon needs to be at the 2 spot.
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Meant to address this forever ago.I tend to agree with you in theory, but he was awesome when leading off last year. I think he is really comforatable there for whatever reason. Random stats....350 BA as leadoff man1.009 OPS as first batter of the game.347 average leading off any inningI don't understand it and it's SSS, but roll with what's been working IMO.
 
'cheese said:
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
'bweiser said:
'cheese said:
Dusty posted his first lineup today. The only thing remotely interesting is Ludwick in the cleanup spot (meaning Rolen 6) and Mes starting at catcher. If I had to guess today, I'd say that Ludwick at cleanup sticks, but Hannigan gets the OD start at C.
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stubbs leadoff?
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Phillips has been leading off. Stubbs 6 or 7.
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The front office has improved the roster for sure, but yeah, leadoff is a glaring hole. Brandon needs to be at the 2 spot.
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Meant to address this forever ago.I tend to agree with you in theory, but he was awesome when leading off last year. I think he is really comforatable there for whatever reason. Random stats....350 BA as leadoff man1.009 OPS as first batter of the game.347 average leading off any inningI don't understand it and it's SSS, but roll with what's been working IMO.
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I can't argue with those #s. He's certainly better than Stubbs.
 
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
 
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Ya, they've made it clear the last few days they still want to extend him and BP is interested in staying if he can get paid here. Fay came out with a report that he would be extended within this week. I do think it's starting to be a distraction so if they're going to do it, it'll be soon. I still have no idea how close they are on years, but normally if both sides want to make a deal it eventually happens.
 
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Word is they offered 5 years 60M. Maybe someone from the Reds leaked that to put the pressure on BP.
 
'shuke said:
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Word is they offered 5 years 60M. Maybe someone from the Reds leaked that to put the pressure on BP.
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If the #s are correct, then just for a reference point, Utley, Cano, and Uggla are the only 2B making more than 12 million this year. BP is making exactly 12 this year. That seems like a fair offer IMO. Seems like they should be able to lock something up soon unless BP is being unreasonable behind the scenes.
 
'cheese said:
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Ya, they've made it clear the last few days they still want to extend him and BP is interested in staying if he can get paid here. Fay came out with a report that he would be extended within this week. I do think it's starting to be a distraction so if they're going to do it, it'll be soon. I still have no idea how close they are on years, but normally if both sides want to make a deal it eventually happens.
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6/72.5M extensionWay more than I would've liked to pay, but as a fan I'm glad he'll be around.
 
'cheese said:
'cheese said:
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Ya, they've made it clear the last few days they still want to extend him and BP is interested in staying if he can get paid here. Fay came out with a report that he would be extended within this week. I do think it's starting to be a distraction so if they're going to do it, it'll be soon. I still have no idea how close they are on years, but normally if both sides want to make a deal it eventually happens.
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6/72.5M extensionWay more than I would've liked to pay, but as a fan I'm glad he'll be around.
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Does Phillips have the arm strength/accuracy to be able to move to 3B in the latter years of his contract?
 
'Eephus said:
'cheese said:
'cheese said:
'GreatLakesMike said:
'cheese said:
Ya, I think the Bray thing is only an excuse. It sounds a little weird to say "we're waiting on someone to get hurt, then we're starting him". I think it makes sense because you buy time and at the same time limit his innings. Whether it is that easy to just switch from reliever to starter mid-season, I guess we'll probably find out.Very pumped about the Votto extension. Whatever you want to say about the tail end, having him around these next 5 years along with the rest of the core that is signed is going to be a pretty nice window to win. I have no idea what it means for BP, but the priorities are right IMO. Add pitching, lock up Bruce/Votto, then worry about the rest.
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Word around Central Ohio is that the Reds are close to locking up BP. What are you Cincinnati guys hearing?
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Ya, they've made it clear the last few days they still want to extend him and BP is interested in staying if he can get paid here. Fay came out with a report that he would be extended within this week. I do think it's starting to be a distraction so if they're going to do it, it'll be soon. I still have no idea how close they are on years, but normally if both sides want to make a deal it eventually happens.
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6/72.5M extensionWay more than I would've liked to pay, but as a fan I'm glad he'll be around.
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Does Phillips have the arm strength/accuracy to be able to move to 3B in the latter years of his contract?
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At 2B you can hardly tell what arm strength a guy has, but he is a former SS and it was considered a good arm back then. I don't think he will move to 3rd though. Too soon to move Billy Hamilton to CF?
 
'shuke said:
Is the Homer Bailey experiment over yet?
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Homer settled in after the first. He gutted through some innings, but I would much rather see Chapman in the rotation right between Arroyo and Leake.Is the Dusty Baker experiment over yet? I am not a hater, and it is easy to second guess after the fact, but him leaving Arroyo in the other night was just stupid, and every Reds fan knew it.
 
Serious question: where are all of the Reds fans? Watching the Cards/Reds game last night, I was shocked at how many empty seats there were, even down in the good seats down the left and right field lines.

 
'Ghost Rider said:
Serious question: where are all of the Reds fans? Watching the Cards/Reds game last night, I was shocked at how many empty seats there were, even down in the good seats down the left and right field lines.
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The place is jammed packed compared to recent years. 16 years and counting without a playoff win takes a toll anywhere and attendance doesn't improve overnight. With all the improvements to the banks and MGMT dishing out massive contracts, I expect it to turn around, but it wouldn't hurt to win a little once in a while.
 
'Ghost Rider said:
Serious question: where are all of the Reds fans? Watching the Cards/Reds game last night, I was shocked at how many empty seats there were, even down in the good seats down the left and right field lines.
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Take your pick:It was cold.Haven't won #### for years.Weeknight with kids still in school.Economy sucks.Opening weekend hangover.I imagine attendance will be up this year. This was first time in forever that they sold out their first two games. I want to say that this city's sports fans are apathetic, but I'm probably just as much as part of the problem. After signing Votto and the offer to Phillips on the table and in a series vs. new hated rival and world series champs, I should have been down there. But I have too much going on with work/family to make it down more than about 8 games a year.
 
'shuke said:
'Ghost Rider said:
Serious question: where are all of the Reds fans? Watching the Cards/Reds game last night, I was shocked at how many empty seats there were, even down in the good seats down the left and right field lines.
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Take your pick:It was cold.Haven't won #### for years.Weeknight with kids still in school.Economy sucks.Opening weekend hangover.I imagine attendance will be up this year. This was first time in forever that they sold out their first two games. I want to say that this city's sports fans are apathetic, but I'm probably just as much as part of the problem. After signing Votto and the offer to Phillips on the table and in a series vs. new hated rival and world series champs, I should have been down there. But I have too much going on with work/family to make it down more than about 8 games a year.
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If Cincy's baseball fans are apathetic then what do you call Cleveland's baseball fans?Just based on my readings and once or twice a year trip down to Cincy: The southern Ohio economy doesn't appear to be doing all that well.Not busting anyone's balls... just making an obversation.
 
'GreatLakesMike said:
If Cincy's baseball fans are apathetic then what do you call Cleveland's baseball fans?
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A product of ownership being more concerned with making a profit than putting a winner on the field.
 
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