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How did Randy Moss actually look? (3 Viewers)
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Exile
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He was getting open, was targeted a fair amount, caught almost everything that went his way, and looked effortless doing it. As a Pats fan facing the Moss owner in my league, I was both thrilled and nauseated by this. But mostly thrilled since I only have to play the Moss owner one more time and the Pats get him all year (knock on wood).
tombonneau
Footballguy
Pats fan and watched every snap. He's as good as advertised. Just looked like he was playing on another level than the defenders. The thing that is striking is he makes it look effortless.
If he is healthy, he will be in the Pro Bowl and finish as a Top 5 FF WR.
If he is healthy, he will be in the Pro Bowl and finish as a Top 5 FF WR.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Brady had all day to make a pass. That certainly contributed to Moss' success today. It seemed like his routes were run perfect and it was very clear after the TD connection that Brady and Moss are in sync. Moss ran a deep crossing route and hauled in the ball a half step in front of three defenders. He was targeted 11 or 12 times, no drops.
For one week, this should silence the Moss critics. Of course, the injury card will be played by them all week. My personal two cents is that the "injury" problems of Moss' past is all in Moss' head.
Also, it was clear that a) he wanted to play, b) he was having fun playing, and c) his teammates clearly enjoyed him on the sidelines.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
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I think a lot of people, myself included are kicking themselves for not taking a shot on Randy Moss. He looked very good today. He caught 9 balls, so that tells you he was being targeted a lot.
He was getting open off the line and on his long TD catch he was spring deep and across the field and 3 guys didn't have a chance to stop that play as Brady just heaved it to a spot Randy could just run to.
He was getting open off the line and on his long TD catch he was spring deep and across the field and 3 guys didn't have a chance to stop that play as Brady just heaved it to a spot Randy could just run to.
Like I said before, Randy Moss could be one of those guys that simply will NOT give a full effort if he thinks he is on a bad team or a team going nowhere. I've known a few people like that in real life. People who excel at what they do, but only give an effort if they think they are on a winning team. Yeah, its not a good attitude, but IF such a person lands on a winner, they will give it their all.
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code
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Brady to Moss looked good but I wouldn't expect this kind of production year long, Brady was literally standing around in the pocket...I think top 5 is out of reach, but if you've got him as WR2 you should be pleasantly surprised...Red Apples
Footballguy
and moss almost had another td..was tackled on like 2 after a quick slant...
Moss made it look easy. Scary good like Minnesota Moss. He relaxed, showed that great 5th gear that looked effortless, and that great footwork near the sidelines. This Moss was too distant in my memory to count on him coming back, but it certainly looks like he's make and going to help a lot of fantasy teams win as long as he's healthy.
We'll see. Brady was making perfect passes today due to the time he had. Moss looked like he could have caught all of the passes he caught with his eyes closed. Brady won't make perfect passes every week, but I think both he and Moss are good enough to still have this type of production. Just because he had all day doesn't mean he and Moss won't still produce big time.Brady to Moss looked good but I wouldn't expect this kind of production year long, Brady was literally standing around in the pocket...I think top 5 is out of reach, but if you've got him as WR2 you should be pleasantly surprised...
I didn't think the same speed was there... however, his route running was fantastic. Granted... it was against a rookie (Revis) and Justin Miller who is just atrocious, but that long TD pass he did have 3 defenders on him.As noted above, Brady did have ALL day to pass. As a Jets fan, it was rather irritating to watch... he was basically flat footed at certain points just waiting for someone to get open. Regardless, Brady will find ways to get Moss the ball, I just don't think he'll reach 150+ too often as Brady did look the way of Welker quite a bit as well.
code
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If you're expecting 9 catches / 183 yards / 1 TD per week you will be very disappointed...We'll see. Brady was making perfect passes today due to the time he had. Moss looked like he could have caught all of the passes he caught with his eyes closed. Brady won't make perfect passes every week, but I think both he and Moss are good enough to still have this type of production. Just because he had all day doesn't mean he and Moss won't still produce big time.
gianmarco
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Don't know why we continue to underestimate the Pats and their decision making when it comes to personnel. We questioned them with Dillon and they proved everyone wrong. Probably will be seeing the same all over with Moss. It just doesn't make sense for an organization like the Pats to bring someone like him in if they didn't intend to use him like they did today. I also think we'll be seeing a lot more of this.
TheAristocrat
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Finless said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
A couple things here. First of all, this is why people say it looks like he's slow. The Patriot defenders were talking this offseason about watching film of them covering Moss in practice, and all of a sudden they'd realize how fast he was going, and they were all flipping out about it. He doesn't look fast on the field because he's big and gangly but he just glides around so quickly and accelerates in and out of his moves so effortlessly that it's really deceptive. That's not inconsistent with what the Oakland fans and coaches said, either, when they were talking about how he'd lost a step. I'm sure he's not as fast as he once was, but he's still very fast. But temper the enthusiasm about the TD catch a little. He was outrunning a safety, a linebacker, and a weak corner. He won't get that every week.
PatsFan72
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He looked to be in a class by himself. It changed my view of what others say is him not giving a good effort. He looks effortless all the time because he's that damn good. As a life long Pats fan, I've never been this excited about our chances for a Super Bowl.
Having said that, the Jets got NO pressure on Brady. He had 3+ seconds on every pass. Even Bledsoe would have looked good back there today. So Randy had plenty of time to run his routes, and create separation. They had him double and triple covered, but you could have 11 guys on him, if none of them can catch him, it doesn't matter.
Randy did still look a little rusty running after the catch early on, making a few stutter steps moves instead of just turning up field, but hopefully he'll settle back down.
Next week will be a huge challenge, but if they have the long ball available, Moss will be there to catch it.
Having said that, the Jets got NO pressure on Brady. He had 3+ seconds on every pass. Even Bledsoe would have looked good back there today. So Randy had plenty of time to run his routes, and create separation. They had him double and triple covered, but you could have 11 guys on him, if none of them can catch him, it doesn't matter.
Randy did still look a little rusty running after the catch early on, making a few stutter steps moves instead of just turning up field, but hopefully he'll settle back down.
Next week will be a huge challenge, but if they have the long ball available, Moss will be there to catch it.
Didn't say I was. I said they'd produce big time. But 50-75% of that production for the average per week is still pretty respectable. As someone else pointed out, he missed a second TD by inches. Have to think he'll have a few multi-TD games as well.Just on Fox - "most yards Brady has ever had to a single receiver in one game". My point is, they don't need "all day" to put up respectable (not incredible like today), respectable numbers on most weeks with an occassional big game thrown in the mix here and there.If you're expecting 9 catches / 183 yards / 1 TD per week you will be very disappointed...We'll see. Brady was making perfect passes today due to the time he had. Moss looked like he could have caught all of the passes he caught with his eyes closed. Brady won't make perfect passes every week, but I think both he and Moss are good enough to still have this type of production. Just because he had all day doesn't mean he and Moss won't still produce big time.
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Brutis
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You drank the moss is washed up kool aid didnt ya? lol
PahtyTom
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Deepster
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Jets fan here. The word "effortless" is repeated throughout this thread and that's what today was for Moss. I doubt he even broke a sweat. Brady has so many weapons that Moss can just run his routes.....and whenever Brady feels like going his way? It is easy pickins.
There were plays where Watson, Gafney, Stallworth....were all wide open and easily targeted. Morris, Faulk, Maroney. Sweet Jesus. It was not pretty today. I will be wagering on the Pats until Vegas forces me to rethink doing so.
There were plays where Watson, Gafney, Stallworth....were all wide open and easily targeted. Morris, Faulk, Maroney. Sweet Jesus. It was not pretty today. I will be wagering on the Pats until Vegas forces me to rethink doing so.
Boston
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The fact that Moss did not practice a good majority of the preseason is scary because it looked like he and Brady have been playing together for years. Brady already seems very comfortable with him and some of the catches were throws Brady didn't hesitate to make to what appeared to be a covered Moss. The guy has glue for hands and his body control is very impressive. While I don't think he's as fast as he was in Minny he's still got serious wheels. As long as he stays healthy he's going to put to rest (in a very large way) the thought that the Pats will never have a top shelf WR in their system. Brady has never had anything close to Moss in his arsenal and he's going to be used early and often on a weekly basis.
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Borat
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Finless said:
jurb26
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Crap I was really banking on a 144 reception, 2928 yds and 16 TD season.If you're expecting 9 catches / 183 yards / 1 TD per week you will be very disappointed...We'll see. Brady was making perfect passes today due to the time he had. Moss looked like he could have caught all of the passes he caught with his eyes closed. Brady won't make perfect passes every week, but I think both he and Moss are good enough to still have this type of production. Just because he had all day doesn't mean he and Moss won't still produce big time.Brady to Moss looked good but I wouldn't expect this kind of production year long, Brady was literally standing around in the pocket...I think top 5 is out of reach, but if you've got him as WR2 you should be pleasantly surprised...
Moss and the Patriots as a whole looked scary.Finless said:
jurb26
Footballguy
How did the D look with out Harrison and Seymour?Moss and the Patriots as a whole looked scary.Finless said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
The one negative thing about the defense was that the Jets were able to gash them on third downs. They seemed to get into a lot of third and longs and pick up a long screen pass or a deep pass play, which is how they put together both their scoring drives. If they're having any problems at all with the Jets' offense, they'll need to solve them before they play the Chargers next weekor the Colts in week 9.
jurb26
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From the highlights I saw, Jarvis Green filled in nicely for Seymour (again). Was that consistent the whole game? How did Marriweather look?
Boston
Footballguy
Very solid. They dominated in rush defense and kept the Jets from making big plays. They were a lot tougher and more physical upfront than the Jets. The addition of Adaluis in the middle along with a still improving Vince Wilfork made things real difficult for the Jets. Jarvis Green is as good as you're going to get as far as a backup goes and he had a real nice game in place of Seymour. As far as James Sanders goes the fact I didn't notice him is probably a good thing.It's tough to really say how good the Pats pass defense is because Pennigton's arm just doesn't lend itself to testing a secondary. Yet, there was little doubt that this unit was too big and too physical for the Jets too handle. Next week will be a far bigger test as to how good this unit is.How did the D look with out Harrison and Seymour?Moss and the Patriots as a whole looked scary.Finless said:
Marc Levin
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And the catch where he set up the Evans TD was classic Moss, though a younger Moss probably would have fought for that one yard and scored.Throw it 5 feet above his head just before he turns at the three and outleaps the defender (who has his back to the ball anyway b/c he's scared Moss will go the corner).We'll see. Brady was making perfect passes today due to the time he had. Moss looked like he could have caught all of the passes he caught with his eyes closed. Brady won't make perfect passes every week, but I think both he and Moss are good enough to still have this type of production. Just because he had all day doesn't mean he and Moss won't still produce big time.
Against 70% of the teams the Pats face this year - including their entire division - Moss can enter "uncoverable" range. He looked like "the Freak."
Boston
Footballguy
The one thing the Jets do really well (the short passing game) is the area I feel the Pats have been the most vulnerable. IMO they should have used Leon Washington far more in this area. The thing that hurts the Jets is that Pennington really can't hurrt you long so they can't mix it up as much as they should which is too bad because Coles and Cotchery are a very solid duo.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
It was unnecessary (or unused) today, but be very scared that the entire repertoire with Moss down by the goalline has not been used.
I have no doubt teams are going to be hard pressed to cover Watson, Stallworth, Welker plus Moss inside the ten yard line. Moss is an absolute beats catching the ball on the fade route or in the back of the EZ.
I have no doubt teams are going to be hard pressed to cover Watson, Stallworth, Welker plus Moss inside the ten yard line. Moss is an absolute beats catching the ball on the fade route or in the back of the EZ.
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twitch
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Moss caught a 51yd TD out of a SINGLE WR set. NE had max protection. Moss was covered 1st by a LB, then by a corner, then shadowed by a safety, then ended up with THREE defenders on him before catching the TD. Moss is one of the few players that can make that play work because he is the best down field receiver we'll ever see. Great job by the Oline today. I expect alot more of the same.
Marc Levin
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And, has been stated, Brady had an unbbelievable amount of time back there to throw - the way to disrupt Brady has always been to flush him from the pocket and to put him on the turf a couple of times.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I know that is hyperbole, but Jerry Rice has something to say about separation downfield - so does Marvin Harrison.Moss' downfield game was being a physical freak - outleaping defenders, making circus catches, running away from defenders after he catches the ball, etc. A lot of those skill have eroded due to age and injury - for instance, he was caught from behind one play where 2G Moss would have been long gone.
bostonfred
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Moss was not in in all of the goal line packages. They switched it up between Kelley Washington (who seemed to be play almost as an extra tight end), Moss, and Welker. I posted about it pretty consistently in the game thread if you're looking for the specifics, although I mistakenly said Stallworth was in on one drive when it was actually Washington.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Just wanted to add a couple of thoughts here since I'm seeing some misinformation in the thread. I was at the game and focused on Moss quite a bit.
1) The Patriots rotated Moss (and all the WRs) all over the field. Moss lined up at the X, Y and Z positions, and didn't stay at one spot for very long.
2) All of Moss' big plays came against Barrett, or Miller. He had only one catch against Revis, and Brady almost never threw his way when Revis was on him. Brady picked on Barrett all day, along with Miller. The Jets kept Barrett as the RCB most of the game, which means whoever lined up on the left did well.
3) On one of Moss' big plays, he lined up on the right sideline but was covered by Miller. He smoked him pretty badly. His route running today was impressive.
4) On Moss' big TD, he wasn't "triple teamed." It looked like zone coverage that broke down, when he got in between a safety and the corner. Having a LB and CB chase you after you have a 10 yard head start isn't "beating triple coverage".
5) Moss was almost never double teamed today. I think I only counted one double team on him today. The Jets played all the WRs straight up. Whether or not that was a good policy is certainly debatable.
1) The Patriots rotated Moss (and all the WRs) all over the field. Moss lined up at the X, Y and Z positions, and didn't stay at one spot for very long.
2) All of Moss' big plays came against Barrett, or Miller. He had only one catch against Revis, and Brady almost never threw his way when Revis was on him. Brady picked on Barrett all day, along with Miller. The Jets kept Barrett as the RCB most of the game, which means whoever lined up on the left did well.
3) On one of Moss' big plays, he lined up on the right sideline but was covered by Miller. He smoked him pretty badly. His route running today was impressive.
4) On Moss' big TD, he wasn't "triple teamed." It looked like zone coverage that broke down, when he got in between a safety and the corner. Having a LB and CB chase you after you have a 10 yard head start isn't "beating triple coverage".
5) Moss was almost never double teamed today. I think I only counted one double team on him today. The Jets played all the WRs straight up. Whether or not that was a good policy is certainly debatable.
Workhorse
Footballguy
True, but what was really impressive about that play (on Tivo) is Moss totally ROASTING Revis on the jam at the line and then speeding through the heart of the zone defense like they weren't even there.
twitch
Footballguy
Im sorry. Ive never seen a receiver better 50 yards down the field than Randy Moss. I dont care that he's 30 years old and slower than he was 8 or 10 years ago. Tell that to the 3 Jets trying to cover him on that play today. Rice played in a WCO and rarely was ever thrown to 50 yards down the field. Harrison is certainly in the conversation, but 50 yards deep there's nobody better than Moss.
jurb26
Footballguy
Absolutely not.
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