How do you guys feel about "Table Talk" at your draft? (1 Viewer)

[Short Corner]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Pretty sure you don't understand what an active participant is.

 

[Short Corner]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

 

[Short Corner]

I can't believe people disagree with the OP here.It's similar to poker - don't talk about your hand that you folded - don't talk about a guy you haven't drafted.If you've folded, don't say things like "Yeah Player B is bluffing, he does this betting pattern when he bluffs. If you have something, call him," to Player C. If Player C can't figure that out for himself, then ####.If Owner C can't figure out that some guy has fallen too far...then Owner A shouldn't say a ### #### word about it. It's a total **** move.

Another horrible analogy. I am still in the game (draft) so I can say or do a number of things to get a desired action out of player C.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

 

[Instinctive]

I can't believe people disagree with the OP here.It's similar to poker - don't talk about your hand that you folded - don't talk about a guy you haven't drafted.If you've folded, don't say things like "Yeah Player B is bluffing, he does this betting pattern when he bluffs. If you have something, call him," to Player C. If Player C can't figure that out for himself, then ####.If Owner C can't figure out that some guy has fallen too far...then Owner A shouldn't say a ### #### word about it. It's a total **** move.

Another horrible analogy. I am still in the game (draft) so I can say or do a number of things to get a desired action out of player C.

Actually, it's a near-perfect analogy. In tournament poker, you don't talk about a hand you have already folded. You don't interfere with the pot (similar to the current pick).But you know what? You're still in the game. It's a tournament. By your description, shouldn't you be able to do anything you want in order to get a desired action out of one of the players still in the hand because changing the chip count of one of the players remaining helps you out? If giving the info about your hand (or, hell, false info about it) after you have folded could lead to another player's elimination, then you think that you ought to say that out loud?You don't. Just like in FF, where you don't spotlight during a pick. It's bad form, pure and simple. Just. Like. Poker.

 

[Hoss Style]

Thread is off track.

Think overwhelming majority think name-dropping during a DRAFT is not acceptable.

The debate should be about whether hyping up players during an auction AFTER they have been nominated, in order to drive up the prices, is gamesmanship or something that should be unacceptable.

Things like:

Owner A- Bob you have no WR's and plenty of cap space how the hell are you going to let S. Holmes go for $6? There's barely any startable wr's left.

Bob- $7.

I tend to think it is gamesmanship and the nature of an auction. Although I could see how people could take issue.

I think if you are outright stating and/or advocating what someone else should do with their team in order to try to get them to do it, that's about as blatant of table talk as you can get. And I'd even say that is worse than pointing out Player X is still out there, though both are bad. Gamesmanship would be saying something neutral but that might lead others into coming up with on their own what you hope they'll do. Example: "Whew, really glad I got my backup QB there. I was afraid I wouldn't get one I'd be happy with."

A statement like that, you didn't tell other teams without a backup QB to draft them. You didn't advocate how someone else run his team. You just made a neutral statement about your own team. But it might cause other owners to consider their own team's backup QB situation and hopefully start a run on a position you don't need. And likely without them even realizing you had anything to do with it.

THAT is gamesmanship.

I agree with this. Gamesmanship (call it talking junk, etc) is a lot different than honestly giving out real names to another owner just because he didn't do his homework.

Sure, some of you say "Lol, it's just a game" or "you're not curing cancer, who cares?" or something similar. To me it'd be similar to playing a game of basketball - say a game of "21" where it's everyone for themselves. What if everytime I got the ball I posted up and then passed to the crappy guy who never practiced so he could get a layup? It would kind of ruin it for the other owners unless everyone was doing it too. I'd much rather whip his butt that game and then afterwards walk up to him and say "Wanna practice some for next time?"

Maybe some think it's OK to help the guy who doesn't "practice" by doing his homework, and that's fine - if it's the norm for your league. If it's not then it's a jerk move, in my opinion.

I bellieve most owners like competing. If you can't take an ### whipping then you probably shouldn't be in most FF Leagues, especially if you don't do your homework. If you really want to help an owner then do it before or after the season - not during the dang draft.

And if you're doing it just to piss people off then find a league that likes that. I personally like intense competition. To each his own.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

Exactly.What I'm wondering from the no-table-talk folks... Are you allowed to talk about this stuff during the season? Is an owner allowed to ask another owner if they think they should start QB-A or QB-B, or which Free Agent WR to pickup to cover a bye?

I suppose I could be persuaded otherwise, but right now I see no difference.

 

[Short Corner]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

Exactly.What I'm wondering from the no-table-talk folks... Are you allowed to talk about this stuff during the season? Is an owner allowed to ask another owner if they think they should start QB-A or QB-B, or which Free Agent WR to pickup to cover a bye?

I suppose I could be persuaded otherwise, but right now I see no difference.

I'll do it just to get under people's skin if they are being a ######## about it, except I will tell them not to take a player. 'Don't take Vincent Jackson, I'm hoping he slips to me'

 

[toasty]

People in my league do this all the time. We will announce that everyone from Joe Blow, who is the #2 reciever on the Bucs, to John Doe, who is an undrafted TE likely to be cut, is still available. Usually people throw out names of guys they don't want and someone else to waste a pick. It is up to the guy drafting to cut through the chat and take who he wants.

This, exactly. I think the OP is assuming that it is altruism, not gamesmanship, fueling the "advice." Play to win, you know?

 

[Hoss Style]

What I'm wondering from the no-table-talk folks... Are you allowed to talk about this stuff during the season? Is an owner allowed to ask another owner if they think they should start QB-A or QB-B, or which Free Agent WR to pickup to cover a bye?

I suppose I could be persuaded otherwise, but right now I see no difference.

Fair question. In my league I'm sure there is help that goes on. Some of these guys have known each other 30 years or more. A few are related. I mean, if my brother called me during the season (he's not in my league in reality) and asked me for help I'd probably shoot him a few pointers.

What you do in your own time is your own business, in my opinion. Can't help that, really. When you are at a "League" function though I think it's a smart play to follow your league etiquette, though. Whether that means yelling no-holds-barred is allowed or not.

If you're not sure, then ask. Or, like in my league, just blurt it out anyway and get razzed about it for years and years. And years. Seriously, they'd never live it down. Teasing a guy relentlessly for a dumb move - now that's fun!

 

[Stinkin Ref]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

Exactly.What I'm wondering from the no-table-talk folks... Are you allowed to talk about this stuff during the season? Is an owner allowed to ask another owner if they think they should start QB-A or QB-B, or which Free Agent WR to pickup to cover a bye?

I suppose I could be persuaded otherwise, but right now I see no difference.

the draft itself is sacred ground my man....it is the culmination of an off season of preparation....like preparing for a test.....not really fair if I study my ### off and then when I go to take the test the instructor announces at the last minute that it has been changed to an open book test so now every joe blow in the class room that didn't prepare at all is now pretty much on the same page as me....while I don't like seeing an owner have someone else basically manage their roster for them during the season...any talk that happens prior to or after the draft is fair game.....but the draft itself where you build the foundation of your team should be every man for himself....

 

[Jersey35]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Pretty sure you don't understand what an active participant is.

EDIT: Changed my mind. Prefer not to get sucked into an argument.

 

[rangerforme]

Two words - Auction Draft

 

[Daywalker]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

 

[dagwood]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

Exactly.What I'm wondering from the no-table-talk folks... Are you allowed to talk about this stuff during the season? Is an owner allowed to ask another owner if they think they should start QB-A or QB-B, or which Free Agent WR to pickup to cover a bye?

I suppose I could be persuaded otherwise, but right now I see no difference.

the draft itself is sacred ground my man....it is the culmination of an off season of preparation....like preparing for a test.....not really fair if I study my ### off and then when I go to take the test the instructor announces at the last minute that it has been changed to an open book test so now every joe blow in the class room that didn't prepare at all is now pretty much on the same page as me....while I don't like seeing an owner have someone else basically manage their roster for them during the season...any talk that happens prior to or after the draft is fair game.....but the draft itself where you build the foundation of your team should be every man for himself....

Me thinks some people take this game way too seriously. Fantasy Football is about having fun. True you need an appropriate level of competitiveness to achieve the maximum amount of fun. But when you cross that line, its gets way too serious and can very quickly suck the fun out of the league.

 

[eoMMan]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

Is said player also not participating in the draft and competing? If I am at 4.11 and I say something that effects the guy picking at 4.04, I am effecting not just 4.05, but my own pick as well. Do I not have the rite to effect my own draft? My own competitive standing?Also, poker, a partial information game, is a horrible analogy.

This post makes the most sense of any in this thread. What people need to realize is that I have every right to affect my own draft and if leaking information leads to my draft going the way I want it to, then I don't see anything wrong with that. Again, it's not like these players names are a big secret. In this information age we all have the same cheatsheets alomst, it's just that we use them differently.

Incorrect. There are plenty of late round players who are having great preseasons and are barely mentioned in many of the magazines that people buy for drafts. For example, J. Thomas, L. Kendricks, D. Moore, S. Ridley, G. Little, etc.....you get my point.

If someone throws one of these names out there, the dodo bird who previously had no clue might go and look up that name on his smart phone.

It's just very bad etiquette to mention names in drafts.

 

[GregR]

...Me thinks some people take this game way too seriously. Fantasy Football is about having fun. True you need an appropriate level of competitiveness to achieve the maximum amount of fun. But when you cross that line, its gets way too serious and can very quickly suck the fun out of the league.

When I read these "FF is about having fun" type comments, of which there have been a few by different people, my responses that I haven't bothered posting until now are always, "Yes, it is supposed to be fun. So please don't ruin the fun for the rest of your league by not letting everyone compete as individuals without your unsolicited advice."

 

[Stinkin Ref]

...Me thinks some people take this game way too seriously. Fantasy Football is about having fun. True you need an appropriate level of competitiveness to achieve the maximum amount of fun. But when you cross that line, its gets way too serious and can very quickly suck the fun out of the league.

When I read these "FF is about having fun" type comments, of which there have been a few by different people, my responses that I haven't bothered posting until now are always, "Yes, it is supposed to be fun. So please don't ruin the fun for the rest of your league by not letting everyone compete as individuals without your unsolicited advice."

 

[toasty]

Play to win, folks. I may only make 14-16 picks over the course of a draft but I'm a participant in the draft as a whole, and just because it isn't my pick doesn't mean I'm not entitled to do whatever I can at other times to enhance my chances of drafting a great team. Frankly, the idea of sitting silently in a room while people just announce players seriatim seems pretty dull to me.

For example: I have my office draft tomorrow, and I have the number 5 pick. It has been called to my attention that 2 of the people in front of me are contemplating taking QBs,and if they do, that means that I would end up with Rice or Charles at 5, which would be a coup, I think. You better believe that I'm going to do everything I can between now and then to convince them that this is The Year of the Quarterback, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't believe I'm required to stop that sort of gamesmanship just because the draft has officially started. If by casually suggesting during the draft that one player is "rocketing up the boards" or "would be a steal at that pick" it makes it more likely that I'm going to get a guy I'm targeting, heck yes, I'm going to do that.

Does it impact the overall draft? Yes. That's the point -- and part of the fun, frankly.

Again, play to win!

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

There are a lot of overly sensitive folks on here playing fantasy football. Its a game people, you are not curing cancer, you are supposed to be having fun.

What the #### are you talking about?! Fun is not the issue! I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, fun is not the preferred nomenclature. Good time, please.I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that I would have to listen to names being called during the draft.

 

[Daywalker]

There are a lot of overly sensitive folks on here playing fantasy football. Its a game people, you are not curing cancer, you are supposed to be having fun.

What the #### are you talking about?! Fun is not the issue! I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, fun is not the preferred nomenclature. Good time, please.I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that I would have to listen to names being called during the draft.

"nomenclature" might be one of the funniest bits ever.

 

[hook014]

There's a lot of trash talking at our draft and names are called out, but it's always players of little value and that's the difference. Call out Keller in round 5 to a jets fan? Funny.

Call out Hightower in the 7th? Not cool. Bad form.

There is a big hole in your logic if you think it's to your advantage to do this. If clueless guy is about to take a guy with low value, that leaves 1 more guy on the board with better value for your pick. No matter how you slice it. Because the guys who did their homework are just gonna move onto the next value and draft, and that pick woulda been yours. See? But now you get to move down the list too. Lost value for you.

Taken to it's logical conclusion you could talk yourself into a team that's a whole lot worse than if you just let lazy guy make his picks.

 

[Khalua83]

We have rules at our draft...You mention a player not picked:You take a shot, You pick someone already taken: you take a shot, You say"I am not a fan of this pick but....i take_____":you sir take a shot.

 

[rangerforme]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

 

[Daywalker]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Read thread.

 

[Todem]

I'll give an example if you don't know what I mean.You have your sights set on one major sleeper. His name is Joe Blow. It's the 10th round, and this is right about where you had him targeted. A couple of picks before you, Bob is on the clock. Some bigmouth in your league says "Hey Bob... JOE BLOW IS STILL AVAILABLE! He's gonna break out this year. You should take him!!!"This has happened in my leagues, many times. If the blabbermouth owner really feels that way, why announce it to everyone else?This behavior, to me, is completely unacceptable and should be met with immediate eviction from the league, if not Capital punishment.What say you?

I agree with your post.Unacceptable in a live draft. Total BS and I would not invite a shmuck like that back into the league the next season.Totally bush league.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I remember back in the day when Bo Jackson was going to play a half season for the Raiders, I was all chubbed up to take him late in my draft, and someone "jokingly" shouts out his name and he goes right before I picked. That's how long I've been dealing with this crap. It ain't right.

 

[Todem]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Actually in an auction it is also annoying.Let's say you are waiting on a deep sleeper and want just a little extra cash for him and strategically you are waiting for almost all the other owners to either A) fill the position b) to get really low with their stack and still have slots to fill and some ##### blurts out that player way before you planned on annoucing him and paying maybe a a tad more ( a buck or 2) because you were smart enough to be patient and wait for everyone else to deplete their funds and not take the risk you were willing to take.Yes it does matter in auctions. Even more in fact. I used to do Rottissire baseball and we only did this with an auction draft. It was intense and took around 6-7 hours to complete. There was no table talk about players who had not been drafted/bought ever.

 

[rangerforme]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Actually in an auction it is also annoying.Let's say you are waiting on a deep sleeper and want just a little extra cash for him and strategically you are waiting for almost all the other owners to either A) fill the position b) to get really low with their stack and still have slots to fill and some ##### blurts out that player way before you planned on annoucing him and paying maybe a a tad more ( a buck or 2) because you were smart enough to be patient and wait for everyone else to deplete their funds and not take the risk you were willing to take.Yes it does matter in auctions. Even more in fact. I used to do Rottissire baseball and we only did this with an auction draft. It was intense and took around 6-7 hours to complete. There was no table talk about players who had not been drafted/bought ever.

Or part of the strategy to make you pay more for that player than you wanted to. I throw players out all the time I know someone else wants cheap to make them blow more money, why it doesn't matter in an auction, its part of the game in an auction. No in a snake its different because you ruin any chance that guy waiting for a player has of getting him if you tell someone else to draft that player. At least in the auction a guy still can get him just for a few more dollars than he was hoping to.

 

[Instinctive]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Actually in an auction it is also annoying.Let's say you are waiting on a deep sleeper and want just a little extra cash for him and strategically you are waiting for almost all the other owners to either A) fill the position b) to get really low with their stack and still have slots to fill and some ##### blurts out that player way before you planned on annoucing him and paying maybe a a tad more ( a buck or 2) because you were smart enough to be patient and wait for everyone else to deplete their funds and not take the risk you were willing to take.Yes it does matter in auctions. Even more in fact. I used to do Rottissire baseball and we only did this with an auction draft. It was intense and took around 6-7 hours to complete. There was no table talk about players who had not been drafted/bought ever.

Or part of the strategy to make you pay more for that player than you wanted to. I throw players out all the time I know someone else wants cheap to make them blow more money, why it doesn't matter in an auction, its part of the game in an auction. No in a snake its different because you ruin any chance that guy waiting for a player has of getting him if you tell someone else to draft that player. At least in the auction a guy still can get him just for a few more dollars than he was hoping to.

I don;t think he means nominating players. That's different. He means a guy out of turn telling someone to nominate a player (correct me if I'm wrong). I'd frown on that.

 

[GregR]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

 

[gsmayes]

u ppl are sick.

 

[Amused to Death]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

Happens all the time in my auctions. Other teams need to spend their available cap money on players I don't want and don't let other teams get bargains. Keep that bidding going people! All part of the game.

 

[Hoss Style]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

Happens all the time in my auctions. Other teams need to spend their available cap money on players I don't want and don't let other teams get bargains. Keep that bidding going people! All part of the game for me in my league.

Fixed that for ya'.

 

[Amused to Death]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

Happens all the time in my auctions. Other teams need to spend their available cap money on players I don't want and don't let other teams get bargains. Keep that bidding going people! All part of the game for me in my league.

Fixed that for ya'.

Yup. And its most (if not all) owners in my league who will chirp once in a while. Usually something like "wow, what he go for last year?...man, this is a steal right now". Or "Joe, you have the cap space and you're not bidding on this guy?".Works for us.

 

[Hoss Style]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

Happens all the time in my auctions. Other teams need to spend their available cap money on players I don't want and don't let other teams get bargains. Keep that bidding going people! All part of the game for me in my league.

Fixed that for ya'.

Yup. And its most (if not all) owners in my league who will chirp once in a while. Usually something like "wow, what he go for last year?...man, this is a steal right now". Or "Joe, you have the cap space and you're not bidding on this guy?".

Again, not saying you're wrong. But man, that would drive me nuts. During my draft there's lots of drinking, joking, yelling and ribbing but NO tossing out serious names during the draft. Obviously you way works for you and my way works for me, Greg Russel, Raider and others like us.

To go back to my original basketball "21" analogy - I want to hit the draft and have each person give me his best shot. No influences from knuckle-heads who call out names because they think they won't have a shot unless they can "trick" other owners into making bad picks (or help ignorant owners into making good ones).

Just my style and the way I see it.

 

[rangerforme]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

Haha, that is the best part of our auction is table talk. There is always wow, that guy is going cheap or man he was $25 last year, what I like about auctions when when we have ours, say anything you want, its still up to the owner if he wants to spend that extra dollar on the player he wants. Once again, why I think table talk is a big part of the auction, makes it fun. Not just sitting in line waiting for the next player on your top 200 sheet to come around. Then yes, table talk would be frustrating because you have no way to get that player if someone informs the guy ahead of you he's still there.

 

[Todem]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Actually in an auction it is also annoying.Let's say you are waiting on a deep sleeper and want just a little extra cash for him and strategically you are waiting for almost all the other owners to either A) fill the position b) to get really low with their stack and still have slots to fill and some ##### blurts out that player way before you planned on annoucing him and paying maybe a a tad more ( a buck or 2) because you were smart enough to be patient and wait for everyone else to deplete their funds and not take the risk you were willing to take.Yes it does matter in auctions. Even more in fact. I used to do Rottissire baseball and we only did this with an auction draft. It was intense and took around 6-7 hours to complete. There was no table talk about players who had not been drafted/bought ever.

Or part of the strategy to make you pay more for that player than you wanted to. I throw players out all the time I know someone else wants cheap to make them blow more money, why it doesn't matter in an auction, its part of the game in an auction. No in a snake its different because you ruin any chance that guy waiting for a player has of getting him if you tell someone else to draft that player. At least in the auction a guy still can get him just for a few more dollars than he was hoping to.

Very true. Good point. I did that all the time too. But people should not be talking players until after they are drafted or paid for. It ruins it for everyone. There are plenty of things to talk about other than players who have not been drafted yet.

 

[Todem]

Two words - Auction Draft

Two words - Read Thread.

I'm saying in an auction table talk doesn't matter, you want the player you buy the player.

Actually in an auction it is also annoying.

Let's say you are waiting on a deep sleeper and want just a little extra cash for him and strategically you are waiting for almost all the other owners to either A) fill the position b) to get really low with their stack and still have slots to fill and some ##### blurts out that player way before you planned on annoucing him and paying maybe a a tad more ( a buck or 2) because you were smart enough to be patient and wait for everyone else to deplete their funds and not take the risk you were willing to take.

Yes it does matter in auctions. Even more in fact. I used to do Rottissire baseball and we only did this with an auction draft. It was intense and took around 6-7 hours to complete. There was no table talk about players who had not been drafted/bought ever.

Or part of the strategy to make you pay more for that player than you wanted to. I throw players out all the time I know someone else wants cheap to make them blow more money, why it doesn't matter in an auction, its part of the game in an auction. No in a snake its different because you ruin any chance that guy waiting for a player has of getting him if you tell someone else to draft that player. At least in the auction a guy still can get him just for a few more dollars than he was hoping to.

I don;t think he means nominating players. That's different. He means a guy out of turn telling someone to nominate a player (correct me if I'm wrong). I'd frown on that.

Yes exactly.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

It's still up to the individual to make up their own mind.

 

[ScottNorwood]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamesmanship

 

[McJose]

A few years ago this guppy sat next to me at the draft. He kept trying to peek at my laptop screen right before we started. I finally told him to knock it off. He just laughed. He picked right before me in the 2nd round. He took Portis who just happened to be the next guy on my list. I didn't say a word. After the 5th round we took a break. This guppy went outside with a few other guys to have a smoke. I calmly walked out there and took off my jersey and cap and handed them to one of the other guys. Somebody asked me "what are you doing?" I told him "Me and this guy are going to have a little chat about stealing picks after they look at someone's cheetsheet." Then I stepped into my Kendo stance and stared him down. The guppy looked like he was going to crud in his pants. After a minute he said "sorry about that". I shook my head at him and put my stuff back on.

 

[Underachievers]

A few years ago this guppy sat next to me at the draft. He kept trying to peek at my laptop screen right before we started. I finally told him to knock it off. He just laughed. He picked right before me in the 2nd round. He took Portis who just happened to be the next guy on my list. I didn't say a word. After the 5th round we took a break. This guppy went outside with a few other guys to have a smoke. I calmly walked out there and took off my jersey and cap and handed them to one of the other guys. Somebody asked me "what are you doing?" I told him "Me and this guy are going to have a little chat about stealing picks after they look at someone's cheetsheet." Then I stepped into my Kendo stance and stared him down. The guppy looked like he was going to crud in his pants. After a minute he said "sorry about that". I shook my head at him and put my stuff back on.

I sincerely hope this is just sarcasm. If not....you need to step away from the game for a year or two. It is obviously no longer fun for you. Although I bet the other managers in your league had a great laugh at your expense (and are probably still chuckling). I have ZERO problem with all this. I do not count on having any player on my roster until I actually draft him. A manager needs to be able to adjust several times each draft and quite frankly...more times than not...it works out for the best. I mean...if a player is being overlooked/ignored by most managers in a league...there is usually a reason.

 

[McJose]

A few years ago this guppy sat next to me at the draft. He kept trying to peek at my laptop screen right before we started. I finally told him to knock it off. He just laughed. He picked right before me in the 2nd round. He took Portis who just happened to be the next guy on my list. I didn't say a word. After the 5th round we took a break. This guppy went outside with a few other guys to have a smoke. I calmly walked out there and took off my jersey and cap and handed them to one of the other guys. Somebody asked me "what are you doing?" I told him "Me and this guy are going to have a little chat about stealing picks after they look at someone's cheetsheet." Then I stepped into my Kendo stance and stared him down. The guppy looked like he was going to crud in his pants. After a minute he said "sorry about that". I shook my head at him and put my stuff back on.

I sincerely hope this is just sarcasm. If not....you need to step away from the game for a year or two. It is obviously no longer fun for you. Although I bet the other managers in your league had a great laugh at your expense (and are probably still chuckling). I have ZERO problem with all this. I do not count on having any player on my roster until I actually draft him. A manager needs to be able to adjust several times each draft and quite frankly...more times than not...it works out for the best. I mean...if a player is being overlooked/ignored by most managers in a league...there is usually a reason.

Hey, fella. You need to take a look at FFmaster's sig before you start passing out FF advice.

 

[Hoss Style]

A few years ago this guppy sat next to me at the draft. He kept trying to peek at my laptop screen right before we started. I finally told him to knock it off. He just laughed.

He picked right before me in the 2nd round. He took Portis who just happened to be the next guy on my list. I didn't say a word.

After the 5th round we took a break. This guppy went outside with a few other guys to have a smoke. I calmly walked out there and took off my jersey and cap and handed them to one of the other guys.

Somebody asked me "what are you doing?" I told him "Me and this guy are going to have a little chat about stealing picks after they look at someone's cheetsheet." Then I stepped into my Kendo stance and stared him down. The guppy looked like he was going to crud in his pants. After a minute he said "sorry about that". I shook my head at him and put my stuff back on.

I sincerely hope this is just sarcasm. If not....you need to step away from the game for a year or two. It is obviously no longer fun for you. Although I bet the other managers in your league had a great laugh at your expense (and are probably still chuckling). I have ZERO problem with all this. I do not count on having any player on my roster until I actually draft him. A manager needs to be able to adjust several times each draft and quite frankly...more times than not...it works out for the best. I mean...if a player is being overlooked/ignored by most managers in a league...there is usually a reason.

Hey, fella. You need to take a look at FFmaster's sig before you start passing out FF advice.

His sig could say "I am the son of God and I know all things" and my advice would still be "Don't get in a Kendo stance at a FF Draft"That being said... If I could actually prod someone into getting into a Kendo stance at my draft because of his anger towards someone else I would by all means do everything within my power to encourage it. And make sure to capture it on my phone to post on the forums later.

 

[Daywalker]

A few years ago this guppy sat next to me at the draft. He kept trying to peek at my laptop screen right before we started. I finally told him to knock it off. He just laughed.

He picked right before me in the 2nd round. He took Portis who just happened to be the next guy on my list. I didn't say a word.

After the 5th round we took a break. This guppy went outside with a few other guys to have a smoke. I calmly walked out there and took off my jersey and cap and handed them to one of the other guys.

Somebody asked me "what are you doing?" I told him "Me and this guy are going to have a little chat about stealing picks after they look at someone's cheetsheet." Then I stepped into my Kendo stance and stared him down. The guppy looked like he was going to crud in his pants. After a minute he said "sorry about that". I shook my head at him and put my stuff back on.

I sincerely hope this is just sarcasm. If not....you need to step away from the game for a year or two. It is obviously no longer fun for you. Although I bet the other managers in your league had a great laugh at your expense (and are probably still chuckling). I have ZERO problem with all this. I do not count on having any player on my roster until I actually draft him. A manager needs to be able to adjust several times each draft and quite frankly...more times than not...it works out for the best. I mean...if a player is being overlooked/ignored by most managers in a league...there is usually a reason.

Hey, fella. You need to take a look at FFmaster's sig before you start passing out FF advice.

His sig could say "I am the son of God and I know all things" and my advice would still be "Don't get in a Kendo stance at a FF Draft"That being said... If I could actually prod someone into getting into a Kendo stance at my draft because of his anger towards someone else I would by all means do everything within my power to encourage it. And make sure to capture it on my phone to post on the forums later.

JUDO CHOP!

 

[pantagrapher]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

It's still up to the individual to make up their own mind.

Hopefully with information they obtained on their own, not given to them by another owner while they're on the clock.

 

[notoriousbob]

its part of drafting IMO. This happened to me in our draft last week. I simply balance that guy's comment with a "yeah, but they have a new coordinator this year" or some other counter argument. It worked for me.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Or other examples would be telling the league that a player who the bidding has slowed down on is going for too cheap. Or pointing out to some other team that there's a big drop off at a position and so he should be bidding on this guy.

It's still up to the individual to make up their own mind.

Hopefully with information they obtained on their own, not given to them by another owner while they're on the clock.

They still need to determine whether it's good information or draft bs.

 

[Statorama]

Auction draft cures this.

It's worse in our auctions.

Absolutely. If a player gets brought up that I don't want, I can't wait to tell those bidding on him all the good things about him. "He's in the Martz offense this year....Did you see those 3 TD's in the last preseason game? Primed for a monster year....really started putting it together at the end of last season...he's in a contract year...etc."Worst talking at the draft:The guy who doesn't keep track of who has been taken.