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How do you identify politically? (1 Viewer)

Which most closely identifies your idealogy?

  • Liberal

    Votes: 53 22.7%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 45 19.3%
  • Libertarian

    Votes: 67 28.8%
  • Socialist

    Votes: 6 2.6%
  • Moderate

    Votes: 58 24.9%
  • Anarchist

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    233
When people say they're "fiscally conservative", what do they mean?
I want more of my money going to my family, less to programs like welfare and similar. Honestly, I want out of SS altogether, I'll keep the $7500 a year and let it grow myself, I don't need a program that won't exist when it's my turn to collect. I don't want to contribute any more money to countries that hate us.In fact, the only place I want any tax going to is civil servants, infrastructure, schools, and military. I don't want to pay for anything else and I feel I already lose way too much from my check to begin with.
Personally I agree with you, but the problem is that so many people including people on this very board wouldn't save up a dime for retirement and you'll just wind up supporting them anyways. Its probably better that you force them to save at least something for retirement.
The premise of the idea was good, but in practice the program will result in a huge fail - If I want to opt out, that should be my choice. If people are too irresponsible to save for themselves, I want no part in supporting them later in life. Obviously none of this will happen, but this is how'd I vote on these issues if given the choice.
I wish it didn't have to be that way, but we're not going to let a bunch of senior citizens wither away on the side of the road in cardboard boxes b/c they didn't save for retirement. Its a flawed system, but I can't think of a better way.

 
The Australian model of compulsory employer contribution of 9.5% of salaries into externally managed plans is a good idea- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

In the US current SS participants could be given a lump sum as a starting point for the accounts, but "privatization" is the third rail of the third rail in US politics. It would get the government out of retirement savings altogether.

 
The Australian model of compulsory employer contribution of 9.5% of salaries into externally managed plans is a good idea- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

In the US current SS participants could be given a lump sum as a starting point for the accounts, but "privatization" is the third rail of the third rail in US politics. It would get the government out of retirement savings altogether.
Looks like they also receive a pension which in essence is our SS.

 
I wish it didn't have to be that way, but we're not going to let a bunch of senior citizens wither away on the side of the road in cardboard boxes b/c they didn't save for retirement. Its a flawed system, but I can't think of a better way.
Anyone ask Trump? I'm sure he's got a plan for them.

 
For years now we have been hearing how overwhelming liberal this forum supposedly is. Yet only about 20% identify here as liberal, which seems about right to me based on the discussion in politically related threads.
Which was the whole point of this poll. MoP asserted elsewhere that the FFA was overwhelmingly liberal which I thought was horse ####.
MOP and his conservative friends have been saying that for as long as I can remember. Hopefully we can now put the "FFA is liberal" meme to rest once and for all.

 
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elbowrm said:
NutterButter said:
elbowrm said:
Yes but their ss equivalent is a means-tested safety net.
Which i think is worse b/c its everyone else paying for their safety net rather then them being forced to pay for it throughout the years.
What would you propose for the people who, for various reasons, had been unable to work toward they own retirements? The insane, the infirm, the mentally incapacitate, etc.?
Have to be supported by the tax funded safety net. I don't see any way around it. Number of those people is going to be very, very small.

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.
To be clear, I am not offering this as my perspective. I am offering it as a perspective...one that I've heard several times. There are times I agree with the people saying it and times I don't. For example, I think Obama's political correctness around "Islamic terrorism" has most certainly played a part in not getting things under control with respect to ISIS. Your last sentence is one I am in complete, 100% agreeance, but the guise of "political correctness" also affects that reality as well, especially when they ignore the comment and focus on "how you say it" instead of "what you said". It's become a pretty useful tool of deflection I see quite often.

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.
To be clear, I am not offering this as my perspective. I am offering it as a perspective...one that I've heard several times. There are times I agree with the people saying it and times I don't. For example, I think Obama's political correctness around "Islamic terrorism" has most certainly played a part in not getting things under control with respect to ISIS. Your last sentence is one I am in complete, 100% agreeance, but the guise of "political correctness" also affects that reality as well, especially when they ignore the comment and focus on "how you say it" instead of "what you said". It's become a pretty useful tool of deflection I see quite often.
Ok. Could you explain the bolded part a little better?

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.
To be clear, I am not offering this as my perspective. I am offering it as a perspective...one that I've heard several times. There are times I agree with the people saying it and times I don't. For example, I think Obama's political correctness around "Islamic terrorism" has most certainly played a part in not getting things under control with respect to ISIS. Your last sentence is one I am in complete, 100% agreeance, but the guise of "political correctness" also affects that reality as well, especially when they ignore the comment and focus on "how you say it" instead of "what you said". It's become a pretty useful tool of deflection I see quite often.
Ok. Could you explain the bolded part a little better?
How? An willingness to address them for what they are is pretty straight forward. An unwillingness to approach them militarily or otherwise as such is pretty straight forward as well.

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.
To be clear, I am not offering this as my perspective. I am offering it as a perspective...one that I've heard several times. There are times I agree with the people saying it and times I don't. For example, I think Obama's political correctness around "Islamic terrorism" has most certainly played a part in not getting things under control with respect to ISIS. Your last sentence is one I am in complete, 100% agreeance, but the guise of "political correctness" also affects that reality as well, especially when they ignore the comment and focus on "how you say it" instead of "what you said". It's become a pretty useful tool of deflection I see quite often.
Ok. Could you explain the bolded part a little better?
How? An willingness to address them for what they are is pretty straight forward. An unwillingness to approach them militarily or otherwise as such is pretty straight forward as well.
I still don't get it. I haven't gotten any of the complaints about not using the term "Islamic Terrorism" at all. I just figured it was more basic run-of-the-mill Obama criticism and -- how bout this? -- not really addressing the issue at all.

 
Even if "political correctness" isn't a boogeyman, it certainly shouldn't be enough to drive a person's presidential preference. We have massive problems to address in this country and your number one problem is that twitter blows up when some old guy gets fired for saying something that makes his company look bad?
When one believes that political correctness is the reason the massive problems aren't being addressed, why shouldn't it be a significant factor for voting? Can I get a list of all the things we are allowed to use to drive our presidential preference?
Well, you'd be wrong to believe that, imo. PC isn't stopping us from talking about health care costs or military intervention in the Middle East or any of a host of other issues. And you need to stop thinking that someone being critical of your opinions means that he's trying to stop you from having them or voicing them.
To be clear, I am not offering this as my perspective. I am offering it as a perspective...one that I've heard several times. There are times I agree with the people saying it and times I don't. For example, I think Obama's political correctness around "Islamic terrorism" has most certainly played a part in not getting things under control with respect to ISIS. Your last sentence is one I am in complete, 100% agreeance, but the guise of "political correctness" also affects that reality as well, especially when they ignore the comment and focus on "how you say it" instead of "what you said". It's become a pretty useful tool of deflection I see quite often.
Ok. Could you explain the bolded part a little better?
How? An willingness to address them for what they are is pretty straight forward. An unwillingness to approach them militarily or otherwise as such is pretty straight forward as well.
I still don't get it. I haven't gotten any of the complaints about not using the term "Islamic Terrorism" at all. I just figured it was more basic run-of-the-mill Obama criticism and -- how bout this? -- not really addressing the issue at all.
This is really where I'm at. There's a frustration around no action and the excuses for non action (at least out of the administration) seem to be in the vein we are discussing here. Focus seems to be over the semantics rather than the problem.

ETA: So I do agree....most of the frustration is over non action...doubt many would care what he called it if he was acting.

 
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On the spectrum of politics, the most accurate description for me is left-leaning libertarian. I generally hold pretty libertarian beliefs with the very large exception of wealth-redistribution. Even there, I prefer more market based solutions when possible. I don't think Pigovian methods of dealing with issues such as a carbon taxes are inconsistent with libertarian views. I always try to envision what the most freedom enhancing policy would be and then make a judgment on whether more or less government intervention gets us a better result.

Civil liberties are extremely important to me as are less interventionist foreign policies.

 
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Fiscal conservative, debt gets you into all kinds of nonsense when you take a step back.

Social a lot more liberal, it's hard to not feel for some folks but it gets easier as the years pass.

If I had one thing I could do would be to trim a lot of the money that is already being collected and re-direct that money back into the hands of families and individuals getting up everyday and working hard supporting the rest of the country both poor and super wealthy, somewhere between $30,000-$150,000 a year. Tax refunds, super low tax brackets, something to get these folks some help. These are the folks btw that are voting between Trump and Clinton, this rather large sector I like to call the working class rather than middle class. In fact I would like to redefine it as just about anyone with a job making about twice the minimum wage in this country or more.

Money needs to be invested into the folks that are keeping the system running day and night.

What is the incentive for the guy making $50,000 to try and reach $100,000 when a lot of the money will go right out the door to taxes? And why I ask you? It's not like the guy making a few dollars more is going to use up twice as much public resources in the process. I just don't understand why some folks feel so adamant towards hard working folks. I admit I used to not think as highly of unskilled workers and to some degree I still do but a lot of these folks in that $30,000-$70,000 range are skilled and you couldn't do a lot of what they do yet they are expected to take less money because society deems it not important enough.

The only revolution I can ever see is the day the working class finally gets so up in arms that they are willing to tear down everything and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

 
I still don't get it. I haven't gotten any of the complaints about not using the term "Islamic Terrorism" at all. I just figured it was more basic run-of-the-mill Obama criticism and -- how bout this? -- not really addressing the issue at all.
Because ISIS works like Beetlejuice; if you say their name three times they get zapped back to that desert and eaten by sand worms.

 
For years now we have been hearing how overwhelming liberal this forum supposedly is. Yet only about 20% identify here as liberal, which seems about right to me based on the discussion in politically related threads.
Which was the whole point of this poll. MoP asserted elsewhere that the FFA was overwhelmingly liberal which I thought was horse ####.
He's confused because there are a few blowhards that like to dominate the conversation

 
CBusAlex said:
I still don't get it. I haven't gotten any of the complaints about not using the term "Islamic Terrorism" at all. I just figured it was more basic run-of-the-mill Obama criticism and -- how bout this? -- not really addressing the issue at all.
Because ISIS works like Beetlejuice; if you say their name three times they get zapped back to that desert and eaten by sand worms.
I'm sure it'd work better than the 6,000+ bombing runs.

 
How? An willingness to address them for what they are is pretty straight forward. An unwillingness to approach them militarily or otherwise as such is pretty straight forward as well.
I wish everyone wishing for boots on the ground got magically transported to a battlefield and their bank accounts reset to zero.

 
How? An willingness to address them for what they are is pretty straight forward. An unwillingness to approach them militarily or otherwise as such is pretty straight forward as well.
I wish everyone wishing for boots on the ground got magically transported to a battlefield and their bank accounts reset to zero.
I'm not a big fan of the approach personally, but I believe the current approach is far worse. Going only half way in is far worse than doing it correctly from the beginning, but here we are. I felt the same way with Iraq. Either stay out of it or be prepared to be there for a very long time after the "war" was over. This is the price we should be prepared to pay for sticking our noses into areas that aren't really any of our business in the first place.

 
I think most people are socially liberal, which is why I think the Republican Party needs to reinvent itself or they'll never win another national election.
This is exactly right. At some point, the GOP needs to tell the 70+ crowd to get with the times. Unfortunately for them, they won't any time soon. A few more election cycles to cull the oldest and it'll be safer to do so.
 

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