How do you see the T.Y. Hilton/DHB Split working out? (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

Obviously nothing matters until Sunday and forward. All any of us can do is speculate, I get it.

I'm on record as saying I think Hilton needs DHB on the field I help his game. I honestly feel both WRs can do well and will do well especially with respect to their current ADP.

We shall see.

 

[massraider]

Obviously nothing matters until Sunday and forward. All any of us can do is speculate, I get it.

I'm on record as saying I think Hilton needs DHB on the field I help his game. I honestly feel both WRs can do well and will do well especially with respect to their current ADP.

I don't disagree with this. I think any receiver getting PT with Luck, Brady, Rodgers etc. is worthy.

If I was using a player I think to compare numbers to, I would say I think DHB can have some Davone Bess-type weeks.

Anyway, I have beaten this to death. Apologies if a bit snippy.

 

[Tau837]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

 

[massraider]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

I can see that, and it might be true. I have a tough time getting past the fact that Moore, Streater, and Ford all looked better than him when on the field at the same time. DHB improved himself to workman-like, is my opinion. Guys like that are replaceable.

If you do search for my posts on DHB, they aren't negative. I always felt he got a raw deal from jump street publicly, because he was drafted too early, in front of Crabtree (and Raji--dang it).

But you never heard anything other than the fact that he was a good guy, head on straight, hard worker. He's an easy guy to like, in the abstract.

 

[Man of Zen]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

I always felt he got a raw deal from jump street publicly, because he was drafted too early, in front of Crabtree.

A Crabtree who, coincidentally, was himself a monumental disappointment till he got a QB transfusion partway through last season.

 

[Alluro]

This is the year we find out if DHB is a diamond or Robert Meachem 2.0.

 

[cstu]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

I always felt he got a raw deal from jump street publicly, because he was drafted too early, in front of Crabtree.

A Crabtree who, coincidentally, was himself a monumental disappointment till he got a QB transfusion partway through last season.

How soon we forget.

Chad Parsons had him a WR43 this time last year.

 

[Hoss Style]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

I can see that, and it might be true. I have a tough time getting past the fact that Moore, Streater, and Ford all looked better than him when on the field at the same time. DHB improved himself to workman-like, is my opinion. Guys like that are replaceable.

If you do search for my posts on DHB, they aren't negative. I always felt he got a raw deal from jump street publicly, because he was drafted too early, in front of Crabtree (and Raji--dang it).

But you never heard anything other than the fact that he was a good guy, head on straight, hard worker. He's an easy guy to like, in the abstract.

You weren't snappy at all, considering you were responded to with "LOL" and then a single stat that was supposed to nullify your entire argument.

There are many of us out here that agree with you because we have seen DHB play for years. I've seen a lot of his play over the years - it seems you've seen all of it. We appreciated your input, as well as pizza's.

I showed earlier how Hilton's play improved the 2nd half of the season, how snap counts changed drastically during the 2nd half of the season, how a fluke target game early in the season because of a 40 point loss wasn't indicitave of his use in that same early part of the season - and how even with limited game planning early, he still finished at the top, or near the top in almost every rookie WR catagory.

Then I was told there was no factual basis for my argument. I gave up. The season is near. I like T.Y. I think he's got a good shot to be a big deal this year.

 

[jurb26]

He could easily have more catches than Hilton. But he won't do anything with them... But he is just a guy. He'll catch a 6 yard slant, and get tackled a yard later. He'll run a hitch, and get tackled immediately. I really laugh at people talking about him opening up the filed with his deep speed...

The guy has simply never shown anything beyond the ability to catch a ball (most of the time), and get tackled.

It's hard for me to put much stock in this perspective, considering DHB has a career 14.8 ypr.Your collective posts in this thread reek of bias against DHB.

I can see that, and it might be true. I have a tough time getting past the fact that Moore, Streater, and Ford all looked better than him when on the field at the same time. DHB improved himself to workman-like, is my opinion. Guys like that are replaceable. If you do search for my posts on DHB, they aren't negative. I always felt he got a raw deal from jump street publicly, because he was drafted too early, in front of Crabtree (and Raji--dang it).

But you never heard anything other than the fact that he was a good guy, head on straight, hard worker. He's an easy guy to like, in the abstract.

You weren't snappy at all, considering you were responded to with "LOL" and then a single stat that was supposed to nullify your entire argument.There are many of us out here that agree with you because we have seen DHB play for years. I've seen a lot of his play over the years - it seems you've seen all of it. We appreciated your input, as well as pizza's.

I showed earlier how Hilton's play improved the 2nd half of the season, how snap counts changed drastically during the 2nd half of the season, how a fluke target game early in the season because of a 40 point loss wasn't indicitave of his use in that same early part of the season - and how even with limited game planning early, he still finished at the top, or near the top in almost every rookie WR catagory.

Then I was told there was no factual basis for my argument. I gave up. The season is near. I like T.Y. I think he's got a good shot to be a big deal this year.

And many of us have pointed out several times that DHB has significantly improved as a player over the past 4 years, yet no mention of that from you guys who claim to have watched him so intently. Guess what, you're not the only ones who have watched him. The response of LOL just recognizes that you are dealing with someone who wreaks of bias.

 

[Hoss Style]

Don't include me in those "you guys", please. I said a few pages back that DHB has had 2 decent seasons on a bad team and maybe he's one of those WRs that breaks out this year.

At the very least I think DHB's got value where he's being drafted, even if I'm not a fan of his on the field play (yet).

 

[jurb26]

Don't include me in those "you guys", please. I said a few pages back that DHB has had 2 decent seasons on a bad team and maybe he's one of those WRs that breaks out this year.

At the very least I think DHB's got value where he's being drafted, even if I'm not a fan of his on the field play (yet).

Yes, you are one of the exceptions.

 

[Billy Bats]

In a 10 team redraft non ppr, I drafted TY in the 7th as my third receiver to go along with Demaryius, Steve smith, Hilton, Givens, Britt. Am I rightfully concerned with my WRs or are my starting 3 (with TY as 3) ok?

 

[pizzatyme]

Denarius or Demaryius? You're okay with the latter and screwed with the former.

 

[Billy Bats]

Denarius or Demaryius? You're okay with the latter and screwed with the former.

Oops, yea it's Demaryius, iphone auto correct. I like T.Y. a lot, just wasnt sure he was a good #3 option, would rather have him as my 4 but the WR selections weren't great as I went RB3/QB earlier than expected. Thanks.

 

[drake_ovo]

yeah espn fantasy projects hilton 0 points vs dhb 4.5 points

maybe vegas and espn knows something?

 

[pizzatyme]

yeah espn fantasy projects hilton 0 points vs dhb 4.5 points

maybe vegas and espn knows something?

Or not! I'll lay 10 racks on the over for T.Y. Week 1.

 

[Man of Zen]

In a 10 team redraft non ppr, I drafted TY in the 7th as my third receiver to go along with Demaryius, Steve smith, Hilton, Givens, Britt. Am I rightfully concerned with my WRs or are my starting 3 (with TY as 3) ok?

Seems like enough high-upside options there that even given their risky nature, you're bound to end up with some quality play just by sheer force of numbers.

 

[Billy Bats]

In a 10 team redraft non ppr, I drafted TY in the 7th as my third receiver to go along with Demaryius, Steve smith, Hilton, Givens, Britt. Am I rightfully concerned with my WRs or are my starting 3 (with TY as 3) ok?

Seems like enough high-upside options there that even given their risky nature, you're bound to end up with some quality play just by sheer force of numbers.

Yea with Givens, Hilton and even Britt I'm hoping one of them works out. I just hate being iffy on my WR3 on opening day. Thanks for the reply.

 

[need2know]

In a 10 team redraft non ppr, I drafted TY in the 7th as my third receiver to go along with Demaryius, Steve smith, Hilton, Givens, Britt. Am I rightfully concerned with my WRs or are my starting 3 (with TY as 3) ok?

Seems like enough high-upside options there that even given their risky nature, you're bound to end up with some quality play just by sheer force of numbers.

Yea with Givens, Hilton and even Britt I'm hoping one of them works out. I just hate being iffy on my WR3 on opening day. Thanks for the reply.

Hiltons gonna put up better numbers than all those wrs you listed except for thomas, imo

 

[Saint]

So... DHB moving up the draft boards... 12-team PPR tonight. Hilton at 6.11 and DHB at 10.07. Earliest I have seen DHB yet.

Can't wait for kickoff just to see how this mess straightens out. I still can't see the value in drafting Hilton ahead of Wallace, Austin, and Shorts.

Although I will say DHB in the 10th was a reach... I was snagging him around rd 15 last week.

 

[Eminence]

Didn't read the thread, here my two-cents.

Andrew Luck is much better than any QB DHB has had. Yes, that includes Palmer.

Put Hilton on the Raiders and he has a VERY quiet Rookie Season. Neither player is a high volume receiver and with Avery around there are more than enough targets to go around.

However, you're going to be very frustrated trying to figure out which player to start.

I don't own either player and don't plan to. It won't make or break my season.

 

[jurb26]

So... DHB moving up the draft boards... 12-team PPR tonight. Hilton at 6.11 and DHB at 10.07. Earliest I have seen DHB yet.

Can't wait for kickoff just to see how this mess straightens out. I still can't see the value in drafting Hilton ahead of Wallace, Austin, and Shorts.

Although I will say DHB in the 10th was a reach... I was snagging him around rd 15 last week.

DHB in round 10 isn't a reach. It's about where he should have been going all along. So, the insane value you could once get is over with him. That doesn't mean he's now a reach.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Hilton really steps onto the fantasy stage this year. I am thinking top 20 finish.

 

[Saint]

So... DHB moving up the draft boards... 12-team PPR tonight. Hilton at 6.11 and DHB at 10.07. Earliest I have seen DHB yet.

Can't wait for kickoff just to see how this mess straightens out. I still can't see the value in drafting Hilton ahead of Wallace, Austin, and Shorts.

Although I will say DHB in the 10th was a reach... I was snagging him around rd 15 last week.

DHB in round 10 isn't a reach. It's about where he should have been going all along. So, the insane value you could once get is over with him. That doesn't mean he's now a reach.

it is when his ADP is still round 13-14.

 

[pizzatyme]

So... DHB moving up the draft boards... 12-team PPR tonight. Hilton at 6.11 and DHB at 10.07. Earliest I have seen DHB yet.

Can't wait for kickoff just to see how this mess straightens out. I still can't see the value in drafting Hilton ahead of Wallace, Austin, and Shorts.

Although I will say DHB in the 10th was a reach... I was snagging him around rd 15 last week.

DHB in round 10 isn't a reach. It's about where he should have been going all along. So, the insane value you could once get is over with him. That doesn't mean he's now a reach.

it is when his ADP is still round 13-14.

It isn't if you want that player and want to make sure you get him. The ADP of the masses does not always represent the ADP in a particular league.

 

[Man of Zen]

I like one-league ADP's, because the math is easy.

 

[LOCO]

Week 1. Dhb against his old team. Get him in your line ups.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

DHB getting rave reviews in IndyBy Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, September 4th, 2013 at 10:56 am in Oakland Raiders.

Over-the-top bravado was never Darrius Heyward-Bey’s style as a Raider.

It remains so as an ex-Raider.

“I have nothing bad to say,’’ Heyward-Bey told reporters in Indianapolis regarding the Week 1 matchup with his former team when the Colts host the Raiders Sunday at Lucas Oil Stadium.

“It was a good experience,’’ Heyward Bey said. “We had a lot of good times and some difficult times. I had a lot of great teammates, great coaches. I learned a lot over there.’’

The No. 7 overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft, Heyward-Bey, due $7.7 million in salary, was relased after four seasons during which he caught 140 passes for 2,071 yards and 11 touchdowns.

Instead, he’ll make $3 million for one season with the Colts, where he will start opposite Reggie Wayne and have a stable quarterback situation with starter Andrew Luck.

Luck, speaking with Bay Area reporters by conference call, called Heyward-Bey “a really awesome teammate. A tireless worker. It’s been very impressive. I think he’s going to do great things for us this season.

Colts coach Chuck Pagano agreed.

“He’s been outstanding from the first day he walked in the building until this morning’s walk-through,’’ Pagano said. `He’s been unbelievable. He’s an extremely hard worker who did not miss a day of our offeseason program.

“I’d be shocked if he doesn’t have an outstanding season.’’

 

[DocHolliday]

Tough call on trying to figure out the 3 headed WR monster in Indy. All 3 WRs are talented. Going to take a few games to see if Luck has a favorite or if any one of them stands out. Trying to figure it out now is guessing.

 

[Man of Zen]

Having listened to the back and forth, and the Indy/national media/the coaches for a while now, I don't think much will change since last year.

DHB, as the starter, looks like smart money to see more targets than Hilton. Hilton, being a beast of a talent, albeit one who is pretty far from a complete football player, will do more with fewer looks. Ultimately, both guys will be useful, neither will be a star.

Is pretty much how I see it, barring injury to somebody.

I do think that a thing pretty unique to the Indy situation is that an injury to any one of the big 3 WR's stands a pretty good chance of putting the two left standing into the stratosphere.

 

[jurb26]

Having listened to the back and forth, and the Indy/national media/the coaches for a while now, I don't think much will change since last year.

DHB, as the starter, looks like smart money to see more targets than Hilton. Hilton, being a beast of a talent, albeit one who is pretty far from a complete football player, will do more with fewer looks. Ultimately, both guys will be useful, neither will be a star.

Is pretty much how I see it, barring injury to somebody.

I do think that a thing pretty unique to the Indy situation is that an injury to any one of the big 3 WR's stands a pretty good chance of putting the two left standing into the stratosphere.

Or it could put one of the TEs thru the roof. Or an injury to one of the TEs could benefit one guy over the others. This is a tough call no matter what angle you view it from.

 

[ponchsox]

Both quiet so far

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Luck is taking some deep shots with Hilton, where he is way downfield -- problem is he's also well covered by the Raiders. One I saw the Raiders were the beneficiaries of getting away with pass interference, the second Hilton was very well covered deep downfield.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Looks like they are going to split garbage this year...

 

[Tau837]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

 

[need2know]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

luck only threw the ball 23 times....raiders played them tough

 

[jurb26]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4. Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

 

[Tau837]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sI seOets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

luck only threw the ball 23 times....raiders played them tough

OK, looking at the box score, I see the following for Luck: 23 pass attempts, 4 sacks, 6 rushing attempts. Not sure if those rushing attempts were called or scrambles. If I assume all were scrambles, that means 33 called passing plays. Meanwhile, the Colts' RBs rushed 26 times. If any of those Luck rushing attempts were called, it's even closer to a 50/50 passing/rushing ratio.

Would this be due to the game plan and how Oakland played them, or is this a sign of a more balanced Colts offense this season?

 

[We Tigers]

Dwayne Allen's got a hip injury, so the degree of that'll be fairly important. If he's out for a while, they'll have to move to a heavy dose of 3WR sets.

 

[Pipes]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4. Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hilton owners gotta be underwhelmed right now.

 

[jurb26]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4. Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

No, the guy we drafted 10 rounds later performed better.

 

[Man of Zen]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

 

[jurb26]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

Yeah, there's that too. I don't know many DHB owners who played him. Every Hilton owner I know did.

 

[cstu]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

 

[Man of Zen]

I started the much safer Dwayne Bowe in two out of three leagues.

Week one is a whore.

 

[We Tigers]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

Yeah, there's that too. I don't know many DHB owners who played him. Every Hilton owner I know did.

I didn't play Hilton, but as I mentioned way earlier in this thread, I seem to have gotten him a lot cheaper (7th round in a 14-team league) than most.

 

[jurb26]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

Yeah, there's that too. I don't know many DHB owners who played him. Every Hilton owner I know did.

I didn't play Hilton, but as I mentioned way earlier in this thread, I seem to have gotten him a lot cheaper (7th round in a 14-team league) than most.

Nothing wrong with that value.

 

[Pipes]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

That is just silly. You don't want your bench to produce? As an owner of both I'd like to see one of them step up and it doesn't matter to me if its DHB even if I drafted him 4 rounds after TY.

 

[Man of Zen]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

DHB owners picked him up for free out of FA after their drafts, didn't start him, and could care less.

That is just silly. You don't want your bench to produce? As an owner of both I'd like to see one of them step up and it doesn't matter to me if its DHB even if I drafted him 4 rounds after TY.

I don't much care if my bench produces early on, so long as I eventually get guys in there who do. Like many who came down on the "DHB starting will limit Hilton's effectiveness" side of the fence, I stayed away from Hilton, so all today does is help me feel better about steering wide of the situation.

I don't have DHB -- think I drafted him in 1 out of 3 leagues, but he didn't make it to opening day as part of the roster -- but if I did, I wouldn't sweat cutting bait on him to pick up somebody who saw goodly amounts of action week one.

If I drafted Hilton, I'd pretty much be committed to riding it out. And that would suck, since I don't see the ride getting a lot smoother.