How do you see the T.Y. Hilton/DHB Split working out? (1 Viewer)

[ponchsox]

My concern is if Luck will throw enough this year to make Hilton relevant.

 

[Tau837]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

Agreed, TE gonna be a problem with Allen down, might be 3WR sets for a while.

 

[cstu]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

I don't see the point of owning him if you aren't willing to do that. He's a boom/bust player so if you bench him on one of his boom weeks you're losing a lot of his value.

 

[Touchdown There]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

I don't see the point of owning him if you aren't willing to do that. He's a boom/bust player so if you bench him on one of his boom weeks you're losing a lot of his value.

He is droppable in redraft.

 

[Hagger]

What happened to Luck's throwing attempts? Did Pep really go ultra-conservative or did Luck just not get on the field in the second half? I didn't watch this game.

 

[Hoss Style]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

No, the guy we drafted 10 rounds later performed better.

I haven't watched the game yet (only read about it and saw highlights) but from what I've gathered T.Y. still looked better. He was targeted more than a few times on long passes but didn't connect. Unless you're basing the "performed better" on the few more yards receiving? Surely you're more saavy than that.

Am I missing something here? Did you get to watch the game, jurb? Sincerely curious, because from what I know so far T.Y. looked a lot more involved and seemed to have a better game, but Luck hardly threw much against the Raiders. I'll probably watch the game tomorrow, but it seems that 23 pass attempts isn't going help any of the WRs much. We'll have to see what happens the next few weeks.

Anyway, this doesn't worry me because I didn't bank on him to carry my WR crew (held him in a Keeper league). I've always said that DHB was a OK value where he was going in drafts and that T.Y. would break out at some point this season. I still think he will.

But it could happen next week or week 8. Who knows?

 

[Eminence]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

 

[FF Ninja]

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

 

[jurb26]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

No, the guy we drafted 10 rounds later performed better.

I haven't watched the game yet (only read about it and saw highlights) but from what I've gathered T.Y. still looked better. He was targeted more than a few times on long passes but didn't connect. Unless you're basing the "performed better" on the few more yards receiving? Surely you're more saavy than that.Am I missing something here? Did you get to watch the game, jurb? Sincerely curious, because from what I know so far T.Y. looked a lot more involved and seemed to have a better game, but Luck hardly threw much against the Raiders. I'll probably watch the game tomorrow, but it seems that 23 pass attempts isn't going help any of the WRs much. We'll have to see what happens the next few weeks.

Anyway, this doesn't worry me because I didn't bank on him to carry my WR crew (held him in a Keeper league). I've always said that DHB was a OK value where he was going in drafts and that T.Y. would break out at some point this season. I still think he will.

But it could happen next week or week 8. Who knows?

I didn't watch the whole game but caught bits and pieces. It looked basically as I expected going in. Both DHB and Hilton are battling for targets and neither was clearly targeted more or in better situations. It's going to be a deal where each guy has hot and cold weeks IMO. No, Hilton did not look better IMO. They looked about the same if you ask me.

 

[JuniorNB]

Disappointing game for Hilton. About what can be expected from DHB.

 

[Touchdown There]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

This is what it all comes down to. Most owners started Hilton. Owners of DHB most likely did not start him.

 

[We Tigers]

Now that I'm looking at the numbers more closely, I wouldn't make much of yesterday's game. I only caught bits on Redzone so I didn't pick up on it live, but they ran just 49 offensive plays, which is very low. Luck also only threw 23 times compared to 26 rushes, and I think he's far more likely to throw closer to 33 a week than 23 again.

With obvious deference to the irrelevance of small sample sizes, Hilton was targeted on 21% of pass attempts yesterday. If Luck throws 33 times a game, that's over 7 targets for Hilton (and just under 6 for DHB). In short, drawing conclusions from yesterday besides "Reggie Wayne and Luck are still best bros" is likely premature. That was a weird little game.

 

[jurb26]

Disappointing game for Hilton. About what can be expected from DHB.

Disappointment is a product of expectation. Hilton's were too high and continue to be.

 

[JuniorNB]

Disappointing game for Hilton. About what can be expected from DHB.

Disappointment is a product of expectation. Hilton's were too high and continue to be.

People just expected him to continue what he did in the second half of 2012. Certainly not a crazy expectation. Nor is it still an impossibility. Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson did nothing either yesterday. My league doesn't start its playoffs after week one. I don't know about yours.

At least no one will be let down by DHB. He's always been horrible.

 

[Tau837]

they ran just 49 offensive plays, which is very low.

You missed 4 sacks, so it was actually 53 offensive plays. However, your point is valid. Last season, the Colts averaged 74 offensive plays per game. I expect more balance this season, and thus I expect they will average fewer than 74 offensive plays this year, but I agree they will normally run more than 53.

 

[FF Ninja]

I didn't see the game. I see the following WR numbers:

Wayne 8/96/1

DHB 3/33/0

Hilton 3/20/0

I don't know where to find target numbers and snap counts until later in the week. How many other targets did the WRs get?

For those high on Hilton (and saw the game), comments on his usage and performance?

Also, I see the TEs only combined for 2 receptions. Can anyone comment on the (rough) percentage the Colts ran 3 WR sets vs. 2 TE sets vs. other sets?

Targets; Hilton 5, DHB 4.Hilton owners will go into hiding for a while...

Shouldn't the DHB owners as well since he got less targets as the WR2?

The amount of concern is directly proportional to FF depth chart. If you drafted Hilton as your 2 or 3, you are in a pinch. If you drafted DHB as your #5 then you're just happy he's not dropping passes and getting benched.

 

[Tau837]

I haven't watched the game yet (only read about it and saw highlights) but from what I've gathered T.Y. still looked better. He was targeted more than a few times on long passes but didn't connect.

...from what I know so far T.Y. looked a lot more involved and seemed to have a better game...

Hilton had 3 catches for 20 yards on 5 targets. How could he have been targeted on long passes "more than a few times"?

Meanwhile, DHB had 3 catches for 33 yards on 4 targets. How could Hilton have been "a lot more involved" and what makes it seem that he had a "better game"?

Let's look at PFF data:

Hilton:

26 snaps: 21 pass plays and 5 runs

PFF graded his performance at -0.2 as a receiver and -0.1 overall

5 targets:

- 1 target 2 yards behind the LOS, caught for 5 yards

- 1 target 3 yards downfield, caught for 3 yards

- 1 target 11 yards downfield, caught for 12 yards

- 2 targets 20+ yards downfield, neither caught

DHB:

36 snaps: 23 pass plays and 13 runs

PFF graded his performance at +0.2 as a receiver and +0.7 overall

4 targets:

- 1 target 1 yard behind the LOS, caught for 8 yards

- 1 target 6 yards downfield, caught for 9 yards

- 1 target 14 yards downfield, caught for 16 yards

- 1 targets 20+ yards downfield, dropped

DHB played more, as expected. He was also in on more pass plays, as expected (by some of us). His YPR was better and he had more YAC (14 to 8).

It's obviously a small sample size. We'll see how things evolve going forward.

 

[Mello]

From what I saw of the game yesterday, Luck took a couple of deep shots to Hilton and was just off. He'll be a monster in the weeks where the connect. When they don't, you'll have numbers like yeserday. I thought that was what people expected when drafting him.

 

[monk]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...

Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

 

[FF Ninja]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...

Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

 

[monk]

I haven't watched the game yet (only read about it and saw highlights) but from what I've gathered T.Y. still looked better. He was targeted more than a few times on long passes but didn't connect.

...from what I know so far T.Y. looked a lot more involved and seemed to have a better game...

Hilton had 3 catches for 20 yards on 5 targets. How could he have been targeted on long passes "more than a few times"?

Meanwhile, DHB had 3 catches for 33 yards on 4 targets. How could Hilton have been "a lot more involved" and what makes it seem that he had a "better game"?

Let's look at PFF data:

Hilton:

26 snaps: 21 pass plays and 5 runs

PFF graded his performance at -0.2 as a receiver and -0.1 overall

5 targets:

- 1 target 2 yards behind the LOS, caught for 5 yards

- 1 target 3 yards downfield, caught for 3 yards

- 1 target 11 yards downfield, caught for 12 yards

- 2 targets 20+ yards downfield, neither caught

DHB:

36 snaps: 23 pass plays and 13 runs

PFF graded his performance at +0.2 as a receiver and +0.7 overall

4 targets:

- 1 target 1 yard behind the LOS, caught for 8 yards

- 1 target 6 yards downfield, caught for 9 yards

- 1 target 14 yards downfield, caught for 16 yards

- 1 targets 20+ yards downfield, dropped

DHB played more, as expected. He was also in on more pass plays, as expected (by some of us). His YPR was better and he had more YAC (14 to 8).

It's obviously a small sample size. We'll see how things evolve going forward.

Good idea ... Don't mention that drop it will kill your argument.

Or the fact that DHB was target on 11% of his snaps vs. 19% for Hilton

 

[JuniorNB]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...

Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Or a WR1 and getting 3/22 like those dummies who wasted a pick on Dez Bryant.

I've always been a huge fan of the week one overreactions, but having guys brag about their brilliant late round picks who managed a whopping 33 yards is a new one.

 

[monk]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...

Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Nope ... Far better to draft someone that you expect 5/70/1.

If you draft anyone expecting 3/33/0 than your season is already over ...unless you get points for low expectations

 

[jurb26]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Nope ... Far better to draft someone that you expect 5/70/1.If you draft anyone expecting 3/33/0 than your season is already over ...unless you get points for low expectations

What are you talking about. DHB owners drafted him hoping he would exceed his value but up understanding days like yesterday were possible. Hilton owner drafted him to be a starter and dreaded days like yesterday. Keep fooling yourself.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Nope ... Far better to draft someone that you expect 5/70/1.If you draft anyone expecting 3/33/0 than your season is already over ...unless you get points for low expectations

What are you talking about. DHB owners drafted him hoping he would exceed his value but up understanding days like yesterday were possible. Hilton owner drafted him to be a starter and dreaded days like yesterday. Keep fooling yourself.

This sums it up. Period.

 

[JuniorNB]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Nope ... Far better to draft someone that you expect 5/70/1.If you draft anyone expecting 3/33/0 than your season is already over ...unless you get points for low expectations

What are you talking about. DHB owners drafted him hoping he would exceed his value but up understanding days like yesterday were possible. Hilton owner drafted him to be a starter and dreaded days like yesterday. Keep fooling yourself.

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

 

[cstu]

I don't know any Hilton owner who is happy about yesterday, but he had a lot of games like that last year. That's just what you're going to get with him.

Bench him week 2 at your own risk, don't say you weren't warned.

 

[ponchsox]

I don't know any Hilton owner who is happy about yesterday, but he had a lot of games like that last year. That's just what you're going to get with him.

Bench him week 2 at your own risk, don't say you weren't warned.

This. He's a Torrey Smith boom or bust WR. He will put up 2 or 3 stinkers and then explode for 100/2 TDs. You don't get his value unless you start him weekly.

 

[Tau837]

I haven't watched the game yet (only read about it and saw highlights) but from what I've gathered T.Y. still looked better. He was targeted more than a few times on long passes but didn't connect.

...from what I know so far T.Y. looked a lot more involved and seemed to have a better game...

Hilton had 3 catches for 20 yards on 5 targets. How could he have been targeted on long passes "more than a few times"?

Meanwhile, DHB had 3 catches for 33 yards on 4 targets. How could Hilton have been "a lot more involved" and what makes it seem that he had a "better game"?

Let's look at PFF data:

Hilton:

26 snaps: 21 pass plays and 5 runs

PFF graded his performance at -0.2 as a receiver and -0.1 overall

5 targets:

- 1 target 2 yards behind the LOS, caught for 5 yards

- 1 target 3 yards downfield, caught for 3 yards

- 1 target 11 yards downfield, caught for 12 yards

- 2 targets 20+ yards downfield, neither caught

DHB:

36 snaps: 23 pass plays and 13 runs

PFF graded his performance at +0.2 as a receiver and +0.7 overall

4 targets:

- 1 target 1 yard behind the LOS, caught for 8 yards

- 1 target 6 yards downfield, caught for 9 yards

- 1 target 14 yards downfield, caught for 16 yards

- 1 targets 20+ yards downfield, dropped

DHB played more, as expected. He was also in on more pass plays, as expected (by some of us). His YPR was better and he had more YAC (14 to 8).

It's obviously a small sample size. We'll see how things evolve going forward.

Good idea ... Don't mention that drop it will kill your argument.Or the fact that DHB was target on 11% of his snaps vs. 19% for Hilton

I did mention it. I bolded it for you in case you missed it the first time. DHB was still on the field more often and more productive with his targets.

And PFF is an objective source that gave DHB a positive rating and Hilton a negative rating, as noted above.

As I said in the post you quoted, it's a small sample size. We'll see if things change going forward. But week 1 went about like many of us who were not on the Hilton hype train expected.

 

[cstu]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

 

[Man of Zen]

I don't know any Hilton owner who is happy about yesterday, but he had a lot of games like that last year. That's just what you're going to get with him.

Bench him week 2 at your own risk, don't say you weren't warned.

This. He's a Torrey Smith boom or bust WR. He will put up 2 or 3 stinkers and then explode for 100/2 TDs. You don't get his value unless you start him weekly.

That was fine last year when he was a free agent pickup in every league on the planet.

This year you had to pay a pretty handsome price to get him. If he returns that same kind of value and inconsistency, he'll be one of the year's biggest busts.

Torrey Smith was terrible on Thursday, and put up almost 100 yards. He's light years ahead of Hilton, value-wise, if that's his downside.

 

[JuniorNB]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

 

[Touchdown There]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

You saw enough of him on the Raiders. Now you get to see him as the starter for the Colts, with Hilton coming off the bench.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

Well of course! Who wants to tie up 5 roster spots? I hope you didn't just use "Dez Bryant" and "Ty Hilton" in the same sentence. I'd not have 5 Ty Hiltons for your one Dez Bryant. See how that works?

 

[JuniorNB]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

Well of course! Who wants to tie up 5 roster spots? I hope you didn't just use "Dez Bryant" and "Ty Hilton" in the same sentence. I'd not have 5 Ty Hiltons for your one Dez Bryant. See how that works?

Me neither. And, yes, I see how that works. You proved my point for me. There's a huge difference in talent between Bryant and Hilton. And a similar one between Hilton and DHB.

 

[urbanhack]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

Well of course! Who wants to tie up 5 roster spots? I hope you didn't just use "Dez Bryant" and "Ty Hilton" in the same sentence. I'd not have 5 Ty Hiltons for your one Dez Bryant. See how that works?

There's a huge difference in talent between Bryant and Hilton. And a similar one between Hilton and DHB.

LOL

 

[Wilfredo Ledezma]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

I don't see the point of owning him if you aren't willing to do that. He's a boom/bust player so if you bench him on one of his boom weeks you're losing a lot of his value.

He is droppable in redraft.

Classic overreaction

 

[JuniorNB]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

You saw enough of him on the Raiders. Now you get to see him as the starter for the Colts, with Hilton coming off the bench.

Lol. Does your league award points for run blocking? Because that's why DHB starts. And I'll take Hilton off the bench. He had five TDs in the last eight games last year, 'coming off the bench', while Donnie Avery started. Don't get too caught up in that starter label.

 

[JuniorNB]

Still gotta start Hilton every week IMO.

Crazy talk IMO.

I don't see the point of owning him if you aren't willing to do that. He's a boom/bust player so if you bench him on one of his boom weeks you're losing a lot of his value.

He is droppable in redraft.

Classic overreaction trolling

Fixed that for you. Even he's smart enough not to drop him. I would hope.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

By the end of the year, Hilton will be in starting lineups and winning games for his owners. DHB will be cut from everyone's rosters so his previous owners can sign a bye week defense. Once a scrub, always a scrub.

THAT sums it up.

You sound like a bitter Hilton owner. The truth is that they will both have good games, Hilton likely more so but DHB will still be useful.

Nah. I'm bitter about Dez Bryant. But I wouldn't trade TY Hilton to for five DHBs. I've seen enough of him to know he's free agent fodder.

Well of course! Who wants to tie up 5 roster spots? I hope you didn't just use "Dez Bryant" and "Ty Hilton" in the same sentence. I'd not have 5 Ty Hiltons for your one Dez Bryant. See how that works?

Me neither. And, yes, I see how that works. You proved my point for me. There's a huge difference in talent between Bryant and Hilton. And a similar one between Hilton and DHB.

I don't see how I proved Ty Hilton is 5 times better than DHB? Looks like a strawman.

Anyhow, just remember DHB was likely drafted last year while Hilton was a waiver wire of the week special that got on a hot streak. He had a dynamite preseason, and on the strength of his preseason hype and preseason TD's which fuel the hype train like jet fuel, he got overdrafted in many leagues. This is not just opinion. It's fact. I saw him go ahead of Boldin, Nicks, Decker, S Smith, Desean, ahead of some decent starting RB's like Gore. Expectations based on his ADP were outrageous! Now don't go blaming or trashing DHB owners for getting a reasonable facsimile of Hilton at 15th round value.

 

[Touchdown There]

Even he's smart enough not to drop him. I would hope.

I am smart enough to not draft Hilton. For those in 10 or 12 team leagues, he is droppable.

 

[Man of Zen]

I honestly think most people referencing DHB in this thread were doing so to point out that they expected he'd be almost as valuable as Hilton at a fraction of the price -- not that they saw him as all that valuable or even rosterable. I'm six deep at WR, and wouldn't trade a one of them for either of these guys.

 

[JuniorNB]

Even he's smart enough not to drop him. I would hope.

I am smart enough to not draft Hilton. For those in 10 or 12 team leagues, he is droppable.

I wish you were in my league. I'd just wait around and scoop up all the players you hit the panic button on after one bad week. Easy pickins'

There are guys like you in every league. I call them 'money donators'.

 

[Touchdown There]

Even he's smart enough not to drop him. I would hope.

I am smart enough to not draft Hilton. For those in 10 or 12 team leagues, he is droppable.

I wish you were in my league. I'd just wait around and scoop up all the players you hit the panic button on after one bad week. Easy pickins'

There are guys like you in every league. I call them 'money donators'.

 

[donkshow]

Luck didn't even have 30 passing attempts. Hilton was continuously looked at down field for the big play, but was covered very well all game. Raiders played the Colts tough. The Colts will have to better utilize their best weapons (Luck/Wayne/Hilton/Allen) moving forward, while sprinkling in some runs.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I've been avoiding this like the elephant in the room, but....

does the loss of Arians have a negative effect on this offense?

 

[FF Ninja]

Hope no one had to start either of these guys.

Hilton owners HAD to start him, and they would be wise to continue to start him. He will be boom/bust and no one can afford to miss out on the boom weeks, considering how high he was drafted.

DHB owners likely didn't consider starting him. He's a WR5 for where he was drafted. Only to be used during the bye weeks. Don't feel bad for DHB owners. 3/33/0 was about what we expected. I don't think the same can be said for Hilton owners.

You drafted someone expecting 3/33/0 ...

Good luck ...sounds like you are going to need it!!!

Far better to draft a WR5 expecting 3/33 and getting it than to draft a WR2 expecting 5/70/1 and getting 3/20/0.

Or a WR1 and getting 3/22 like those dummies who wasted a pick on Dez Bryant.

I've always been a huge fan of the week one overreactions, but having guys brag about their brilliant late round picks who managed a whopping 33 yards is a new one.

I actually don't have DHB in any of my leagues, but I think he is a fine flyer as a WR5.

Watching pumpers who overdrafted a WR3 (real life, not fantasy) get defensive after week 1 is funny. Nobody is bragging about drafting DHB. They are mostly just laughing at you.

 

[audiolover]

I've been avoiding this like the elephant in the room, but....

does the loss of Arians have a negative effect on this offense?

Yes, there was to much reliance on 1 WR 3 TE formations during the game and in those situations the line could not block well for either running plays or passing attempts. Also the play calling seemed rather boring and predictable. I am not a fan of the new power running philosophy. You have one of the bright young stars of the game at QB not Trent freaking Dilfer. TY and DHB both spent to much time on the bench and allen and fleener were mostly mia as well.