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How much longer does Gore and Sjax hold there elite "TRADE VALUE& (1 Viewer)

Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types.

Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they hold

premium trade value?

 
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Might want to throw DeAngelo Williams into the discussion since he's a month or two older than both of them.

I think all three of them have two more top seasons left but the guy whose value is about to hit a brick wall is Michael Turner, even despite the low number of carries. After this season many owners are going to be very wary of him since he turns 30 at the end of 2011.

 
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Sjax is someone I would look at trading mid-season to a contender definitely. He's closing on 1700 carries for his career. I think that would be the right time to trade. Same goes with Ryan Grant. I would wait longer with DeAngelo since he's had less mileage. Even though Ryan Grant hasn't had a lot of carries in his career, his YPC is already quite low compared to D Will.

Trade Gore next year pre-season in my opinion. I think he still has 1-2 top 15 season left in him.

 
Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types. Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they holdpremium trade value?
I went in to this offseason toying with the idea of moving SJax. It just doesn't seem like he holds the elite value anymore. The majority of people see jackson as a solid tier 2 Dynasty running back right now. The Problem is that all the tier 1 guys (CJ, MJD, Rice, ADP, and Stewart) are all at least 2 years younger and hard enough to trade for as it is right now. So to get one of those guys an owner is giving up a stud back along with another feature player or pick. Trading for some of the backs in tier 2 is mostly just treading water if age is the primary factor in moving him. Turner, D Williams, Gore are all older. The low end tier 2 early tier 3 group of Mendenhall, Morano, Wells, Charles, Forte and McCoy is likely where an owner would need to be looking right now if they were serious about moving Jackson/Gore. The problem with this group is that most owners would probably only trade these guys strait up for Jackson or offer a low end prospect or pick to go along. As the Sjax owner, I personally wouldn't trade him strait up for Morano, Forte or McCoy and would have a hard time pulling the trigger on Mendy, Wells or Charles due to their limited track record. If you have the luxuary of moving either of these guys for a WR, you can probably get a nice return on that investment. However I cant see many owners being that stocked with RB talent to move a top 5 back for a WR/QB. Overall jackson seems like a hard guy to move right now. Any team in contention would be crazy to package him in a lesser player deal. Guy is just a flat out stud and I wouldn't be suprised to see a top 2-3 finish from him this season.
 
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Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types. Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they holdpremium trade value?
I went in to this offseason toying with the idea of moving SJax. It just doesn't seem like he holds the elite value anymore. The majority of people see jackson as a solid tier 2 Dynasty running back right now. The Problem is that all the tier 1 guys (CJ, MJD, Rice, ADP, and Stewart) are all at least 2 years younger and hard enough to trade for as it is right now. So to get one of those guys an owner is giving up a stud back along with another feature player or pick. Trading for some of the backs in tier 2 is mostly just reading water if age is the primary factor in moving him. Turner, D Williams, Gore are all older. The low end tier 2 early tier 3 group of Mendenhall, Morano, Wells, Charles, Forte and McCoy is likely where an owner would need to be looking right now if they were serious about moving Jackson/Gore. The problem with this group is that most owners would probably only trade these guys strait up for Jackson or offer a low end prospect or pick to go along. As the Sjax owner, I personally wouldn't trade him strait up for Morano, Forte or McCoy and would have a hard time pulling the trigger on Mendy, Wells or Charles due to their limited track record. If you have the luxuary of moving either of these guys for a WR, you can probably get a nice return on that investment. However I cant see many owners being that stocked with RB talent to move a top 5 back for a WR/QB. Overall jackson seems like a hard guy to move right now. Any team in contention would be crazy to package him in a lesser player deal. Guy is just a flat out stud and I wouldn't be suprised to see a top 2-3 finish from him this season.
totally agree, baring injury.id much rather trade for a mendy/moreno and get what i can for sjax now... its much harder to move RBs that are nearing their late 20's...
 
Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types. Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they holdpremium trade value?
They won't hold their trade value. Their trade value is going to continually drop from here. They're officially "expiring assets" at this point. Which isn't to say you should immediately get rid of them or anything- their production on the field is going to be key to quite a few championship runs over the next two years- it's just to say that you shouldn't ever expect to get quality value in return for either of them after this offseason.
 
they are the kind of guys you have to wait until midseason to trade after a big game or two. Right now everyone is after youth and potential. Once a couple teams youth and potential don't pan out on the field, they'll be after actual production.

 
Max Power said:
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA said:
Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types. Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they holdpremium trade value?
I went in to this offseason toying with the idea of moving SJax. It just doesn't seem like he holds the elite value anymore. The majority of people see jackson as a solid tier 2 Dynasty running back right now. The Problem is that all the tier 1 guys (CJ, MJD, Rice, ADP, and Stewart) are all at least 2 years younger and hard enough to trade for as it is right now. So to get one of those guys an owner is giving up a stud back along with another feature player or pick. Trading for some of the backs in tier 2 is mostly just treading water if age is the primary factor in moving him. Turner, D Williams, Gore are all older. The low end tier 2 early tier 3 group of Mendenhall, Morano, Wells, Charles, Forte and McCoy is likely where an owner would need to be looking right now if they were serious about moving Jackson/Gore. The problem with this group is that most owners would probably only trade these guys strait up for Jackson or offer a low end prospect or pick to go along. As the Sjax owner, I personally wouldn't trade him strait up for Morano, Forte or McCoy and would have a hard time pulling the trigger on Mendy, Wells or Charles due to their limited track record. If you have the luxuary of moving either of these guys for a WR, you can probably get a nice return on that investment. However I cant see many owners being that stocked with RB talent to move a top 5 back for a WR/QB. Overall jackson seems like a hard guy to move right now. Any team in contention would be crazy to package him in a lesser player deal. Guy is just a flat out stud and I wouldn't be suprised to see a top 2-3 finish from him this season.
This is EXCELLENT posting, thank you Max Power. I laso have been toying with the idea of moving Jackson, but do not want to make the same mistake I did with Faulk years ago. I moved Faulk in his prime for nice prospects. Faulk had like 3 or 4 more great years and the prospects were out of the league in like 2 years. Sometimes it is best to hold and ride it out. Yes, I would have got nothing for Faulk if I held him, but I could have had two more titles I am sure.
 
Jackson owner here. I've tried shopping him this offseason and received the following offers:

1) Forte + 1.11 for Jackson

2) Hester + 1.09 for Jackson

I thought about Forte and 1.11, but didn't think it was enough.

 
I think there are a couple of things that factor into this, namely the quick and sharp decline of once stud RBs. LT, Westy, Alexander and LJ all went from top 3 RBs to barely finding a job. Many were able to see this coming (namely with LT) but many were also caught off guard. Because of this, I am sure owners that were left holding the bag on these guys do not want to be in the same position again with the Gores, SJaxs and DWills of the league. In fact, I have seen Spiller rank in the top 10 RBs of many owners.

 
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Might want to throw DeAngelo Williams into the discussion since he's a month or two older than both of them.I think all three of them have two more top seasons left but the guy whose value is about to hit a brick wall is Michael Turner, even despite the low number of carries. After this season many owners are going to be very wary of him since he turns 30 at the end of 2011.
I think D Will is going to age like Thomas Jones did in NY, small and quick rather than a bruiser, with less miles than most RBs at 27. Deangelo IMO will still have plenty left at 30 than Gore or Jackson.
 
In general, in dynasty it is difficult to maintain a great team if you ride your studs into the dirt. By that I mean, if you ride out someone like Gore or Jackson until their trade value hits zero, then you have to reaplce them with another stud from scratch. How do you get a stud for nothing? The only way to do it is within the draft. If your team is good you will never be drafting in the top half.

I am personally trying ot trade Gore right now and I will undersell him if I have to. I realize he might be a top 5 back again (*might*), but I also realize that this is the most I could get for him...ever. Just be smart with your trading. Swap Gore out for Shonn Green or Felix Jones.

It would not take a big stretch for the follow few events to happen....

SF drafts Spiller

Week 1 Gore has 10 carries for 35 yard

Week 1 Felix Jones has 16 carries for 125 yards and 1 TD

Those lines would not surprise anyone at all. And if that happened there's no possible way on earth that the Felix owner would trade for Gore. I'm not trying to pump felix, but there are many backs in that category that don't seem valuable enough for Gore right now.... but try to look beyond the surface.

 
I would have to agree with previous posts that the TRADE VALUE of the S Jackson, Gore, D Williams types will begin to decline. However, I don't necessarily think that equates to a decline in production in all three cases.

My take on these three (disclaimer - I don't own Jackson or Gore, but have Williams in one league):

S Jackson - He seems the most likely of the three to fall off a cliff. He's battled injuries throughout his career, with the recent back troubles causing the most concern IMO. On top of being beat up throughout his career, he has ~400 more career carries than Gore and ~800 more than DeAngelo. Of the three, he's also had the most burden of carrying a truly awful Rams team with little to no help offensively and defenses focused solely on stopping him and only him. My take: If I'm not a top contender in my league, I'd be looking to move Jackson immediately for a top young RB prospect or high rookie pick.

D Williams - Has been extremely productive the past two years, but Stewart isn't going anywhere which is what tempers my enthusiasm for DeAngelo just a bit. I think he may have the longest career of these three, but his upside will be more limited than it has been now that Stewart has established himself. That is, unless Carolina lets Williams walk or trades him which I don't see happening. I see Williams putting up low-end RB1, high end RB2 numbers for the next 3-4 years. My take: I think Williams value will hold steady for the next year or two, as should his great-but-not-quite-elite production.

F Gore - The most likely of the three to produce elite numbers IMO. With Gore at 27 years of age and Coffee drafted in the 3rd last year, I'm not buying any talk of SF being interested in Spiller in the 1st. It would seem that Gore would be in line to be the horse in an improving offense for the better part of the next 3 years. After that, he probably sees a reduced workload and begins his time in a RBBC for a year or two. For all the talk of Gore's injury history, he's never played less than 14 games in a season and hasn't had a major injury that I can think of. My take: The most likely of the three to propel you to a title in the next 2-3 years.

Basically, I'd be looking to sell Jackson in all scenarios and the only way I'd hold him is if I was an elite contender. If I'm in a position to be a contender in the next 2-3 years, I'd strongly consider moving off some younger less productive talent or high rookie picks for Gore or Williams.

 
The age at which these guy's trade value drops off just keeps getting lower and lower. It used to be you could still move a 29 year old guy at decent value for the 1-2 years he had left. Then it was moving him at 28 before he hit that 29 year old barrier that meant he was a year or two out. Now we're actually talking about not only moving guys while they still have value, but ALREADY having them lost a lot of value at the age of......26.

I think we may be getting carried away with ourselves in trying to be like the real life Eagles and move guys while they still have "value". In the offseason dynasty thread Gore has gone for as little as a 2011 1st round pick and as much as Aaron Rodgers (to a team that already had Romo). Those aren't exactly great returns for a guy that should be a top 10 RB for the next few years at least, and possibly even longer.

There's something to be said for not having to rebuild from dirt as footballsavvy mentioned. But at the same time, there's something to be said for being a consistent contender and not having "rebuilding" years. As Max Power described, even with likely 3 years of elite production left these guys already have trade values where you're either trading for someone older or someone that could never end up being any good.

If you hold onto them until the end then you're rebuilding that position in 3 years, but if you trade them for a prospect that doesn't pan out you could be rebuilding that position tomorrow, and with the added cost that you just wasted 8 weeks starting a dud as your RB2 thinking he might be the next big thing. It's definitely a slippery slope, and one thing keeping these guys for another 3 years alotts you is the ability to let the rest of your prospects develop on your bench (rather than relying on them as a starter), which means maybe you won't be rebuilding from dirt in 3 years afterall.

Chris Johnson, MJD, and AD are all less 2 years younger than the guys we're talking about here. Even if you had moved someone at the 26-27 age and hit it big on one of those guys last year, does that mean in a year and a half we're doing it all over again? How many times in a row can you hit on a guy you think will be the next big thing? Even once is lucky.

On the flip side, holding them is a big risk too because any somewhat severe injury to these guys COMPLETELY kills their value. Just look at Ronnie Brown.

 
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I have Sjax on a very young team overall and would like to move him to another contender for the right price. However, I won't move a 26 year old stud RB who is one of very few legit 3-down backs for peanuts. How many of those guys are around? When it comes to age, he's a little over a year older than both Adrian Peterson and MJD, and everybody still talks about those guys like they are new kids on the block. Perception seem to color age quite a bit.

On a truly horrible team, he's still very serviceable (the guy ran for 1400 yards last year at a nice 4.4 clip, second only to Johnson). If the team becomes average, he's back in the top three or five. He could flame out early due to injury, but unless something unusual happens, he still has three or four elite years left. I am VERY conscious of youth in a dynasty league, but three or four years is a long time, especially since there is at least a possibility he'll last a little longer.

Bottom line, it is going to take more than a mediocre WR and a crap-shoot mid-first round draft pick for me to trade him.

In the same league, I have Dwill and I wouldn't realistically even consider trading him at this point. Everyone is just assuming he's stuck in a RBBC for the rest of his career, and that has impacted his value greatly. But despite that, he's in the last year of his contract and doesn't have a new deal yet (again, folks assume he'll be re-signed, but I'm not as certain of that as everyone else seems to be). In the worst-case scenario, he stays in Carolina and does what he's BEEN doing, which ain't too shabby. If he DOES move to a decent team to be a featured back, he's gold, Jerry. The guy's talent in under-rated IMO. He's averaged over 5 YPC in three straight years, which absolutely SICK. ADP for example averaged over 5 only once in his three years. Mega-star Chris Johnson just missed 5 in his rookie year. MJD hasn't hit it since his rookie year as a part-timer. Anyway, you get the point.

Gore I'd sell if I had him. Huge injury history, lots of rumors about the team being interested in another back to share the load etc. Lots of talent, but just too many issues. His 1700 yard hey-day was four years ago. Since then, he's scraped out over 1000 yards each year to keep him relevant, but nothing dramatic.

 
Any thoughts on Turner??

He had that one huge carry year in 2008, but he has relatively low mileage otehrwise, and was playing amazing until someone fell on his ankle last year.

Thing is, he is 28 now and anything can start to happen.

I also have a very young team...so maybe look to move him...?

 
I have Sjax on a very young team overall and would like to move him to another contender for the right price. However, I won't move a 26 year old stud RB who is one of very few legit 3-down backs for peanuts. How many of those guys are around? When it comes to age, he's a little over a year older than both Adrian Peterson and MJD, and everybody still talks about those guys like they are new kids on the block. Perception seem to color age quite a bit.On a truly horrible team, he's still very serviceable (the guy ran for 1400 yards last year at a nice 4.4 clip, second only to Johnson). If the team becomes average, he's back in the top three or five. He could flame out early due to injury, but unless something unusual happens, he still has three or four elite years left. I am VERY conscious of youth in a dynasty league, but three or four years is a long time, especially since there is at least a possibility he'll last a little longer.Bottom line, it is going to take more than a mediocre WR and a crap-shoot mid-first round draft pick for me to trade him.In the same league, I have Dwill and I wouldn't realistically even consider trading him at this point. Everyone is just assuming he's stuck in a RBBC for the rest of his career, and that has impacted his value greatly. But despite that, he's in the last year of his contract and doesn't have a new deal yet (again, folks assume he'll be re-signed, but I'm not as certain of that as everyone else seems to be). In the worst-case scenario, he stays in Carolina and does what he's BEEN doing, which ain't too shabby. If he DOES move to a decent team to be a featured back, he's gold, Jerry. The guy's talent in under-rated IMO. He's averaged over 5 YPC in three straight years, which absolutely SICK. ADP for example averaged over 5 only once in his three years. Mega-star Chris Johnson just missed 5 in his rookie year. MJD hasn't hit it since his rookie year as a part-timer. Anyway, you get the point.Gore I'd sell if I had him. Huge injury history, lots of rumors about the team being interested in another back to share the load etc. Lots of talent, but just too many issues. His 1700 yard hey-day was four years ago. Since then, he's scraped out over 1000 yards each year to keep him relevant, but nothing dramatic.
Gore was able to pull off 1100 yards rushing last year on 229 carries for just less than a 5ypc. If that was translated to his high carry year, he would have pulled down over 1500 yards rushing. I don't think he's scraped by for anything. I think they've reduced his carries to make him more effective and keep him going all season rather than run him into the ground ala LJ. They now also have some receiving weapons which means that he doesn't need to be the focal point of the offense.
 
cstu said:
.....but the guy whose value is about to hit a brick wall is Michael Turner, even despite the low number of carries. After this season many owners are going to be very wary of him since he turns 30 at the end of 2011.
FBGs give me some grief recently where I traded Turner for Ahmad Bradshaw, the 2010 2.01 and 2.02 picks, and a 2011 1st rd pick. :thumbup:
 
Gore I'd sell if I had him. Huge injury history, lots of rumors about the team being interested in another back to share the load etc. Lots of talent, but just too many issues. His 1700 yard hey-day was four years ago. Since then, he's scraped out over 1000 yards each year to keep him relevant, but nothing dramatic.
Not sure I agree with this, especially when you're lauding SJax but saying Gore is borderline average. Gore's "Huge" injury history is well in his past -- no major injuries in years. SJax has missed more games than Gore in their pro careers. In my main league, Gore was the 6th highest scoring RB last season, SJax 10th.In '08, Gore was the 14th highest scoring RB, SJax the 16th. In '07, Gore was the 8th highest scoring RB, SJax the 14th.In '06, Gore was the 5th highest scoring RB, SJax the 2nd.You're suggesting Gore hasn't been very good, but he has outscored SJax every season except one since he took over the starting gig, and the one year SJax outscored him Gore was 5th best. He's not "scraping" together anything IMO, he is a premier talent in the prime of his career.
 
I have Sjax on a very young team overall and would like to move him to another contender for the right price. However, I won't move a 26 year old stud RB who is one of very few legit 3-down backs for peanuts. How many of those guys are around? When it comes to age, he's a little over a year older than both Adrian Peterson and MJD, and everybody still talks about those guys like they are new kids on the block. Perception seem to color age quite a bit.
Let's just get the facts straight.SJax: 7/22/83

AP: 3/21/85

MJD: 3/23/85

SJax is 20 months older than AP and MJD. Which is a lot closer to 2 years difference than 1 year difference.

And sure, SJax and Gore are only 26. Today. When the season starts, both will be 27. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but a guy who is 27 on opening day vs 26 on opening day makes a slight difference.

 
I have Sjax on a very young team overall and would like to move him to another contender for the right price. However, I won't move a 26 year old stud RB who is one of very few legit 3-down backs for peanuts. How many of those guys are around? When it comes to age, he's a little over a year older than both Adrian Peterson and MJD, and everybody still talks about those guys like they are new kids on the block. Perception seem to color age quite a bit.
Let's just get the facts straight.SJax: 7/22/83

AP: 3/21/85

MJD: 3/23/85

SJax is 20 months older than AP and MJD. Which is a lot closer to 2 years difference than 1 year difference.

And sure, SJax and Gore are only 26. Today. When the season starts, both will be 27. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but a guy who is 27 on opening day vs 26 on opening day makes a slight difference.
:goodposting: the number of carries they have is quite a difference as well. mjd was splitting carries up until last year and adp as well. i think this will bode well for both in the long-term.

 
I actually just bought Turner and paired him with SJAX because I'm trying to win.

If I was rebuilding, I would move both because they would be done by the time my team is ready and you can still get good value for both today.

It's pretty simple logic, I think some are over-thinking this a bit.

 
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the number of carries they have is quite a difference as well. mjd was splitting carries up until last year and adp as well. i think this will bode well for both in the long-term.
AP has carried the ball 915 times in 46 games, over 3 years. That's 19.9 carries per game. He's also carried it 677 times in the last 2 seasons, or 21.2 carries per game. AP hasn't been splitting carries the past 2 years.
 
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I have Sjax on a very young team overall and would like to move him to another contender for the right price. However, I won't move a 26 year old stud RB who is one of very few legit 3-down backs for peanuts. How many of those guys are around? When it comes to age, he's a little over a year older than both Adrian Peterson and MJD, and everybody still talks about those guys like they are new kids on the block. Perception seem to color age quite a bit.
Let's just get the facts straight.SJax: 7/22/83

AP: 3/21/85

MJD: 3/23/85

SJax is 20 months older than AP and MJD. Which is a lot closer to 2 years difference than 1 year difference.

And sure, SJax and Gore are only 26. Today. When the season starts, both will be 27. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but a guy who is 27 on opening day vs 26 on opening day makes a slight difference.
I was subtracting the wrong numbers and thinking it was 12 + 4 months = 16 months. My bad. Still though, it's less than two years, and if you had to guess based on the way some folks portray the various ages involved, you'd think it was 5 years. That was my point.So if Sjax has 4 years left, ADP and MJD have six (give or take).

 
I was subtracting the wrong numbers and thinking it was 12 + 4 months = 16 months. My bad. Still though, it's less than two years, and if you had to guess based on the way some folks portray the various ages involved, you'd think it was 5 years. That was my point.So if Sjax has 4 years left, ADP and MJD have six (give or take).
No worries, hope my response didn't sound harsh. Just typing quickly while pretending to work. :shrug:I'm with you on the broader point - 27 years isn't a death sentence, and SJax is a talented guy. My concern with him is that his team is in shambles, so by the time the are decent he's 28 or 29. By then, it's too late to sell. By keeping him (or trading for him) you are basically placing a bet that the Rams turn things around enough in 2010 that he is top-5 again.
 
I just moved Turner and 1.11 for Beanie Breaston and 2011 1st
Great deal for you. I wouldn't move Beanie straight up for Turner if it was me, much less add more to the trade. Turner's trade value is very low right now from what I've seen him moved for in my leagues and in the Dynasty Trades thread. I think he's actually a great buy candidate if your team is competitive as his price is much lower than Gore, SJax, & DeAngelo.
 
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Gore I'd sell if I had him. Huge injury history, lots of rumors about the team being interested in another back to share the load etc. Lots of talent, but just too many issues. His 1700 yard hey-day was four years ago. Since then, he's scraped out over 1000 yards each year to keep him relevant, but nothing dramatic.
Not sure I agree with this, especially when you're lauding SJax but saying Gore is borderline average. Gore's "Huge" injury history is well in his past -- no major injuries in years. SJax has missed more games than Gore in their pro careers. In my main league, Gore was the 6th highest scoring RB last season, SJax 10th.In '08, Gore was the 14th highest scoring RB, SJax the 16th. In '07, Gore was the 8th highest scoring RB, SJax the 14th.In '06, Gore was the 5th highest scoring RB, SJax the 2nd.You're suggesting Gore hasn't been very good, but he has outscored SJax every season except one since he took over the starting gig, and the one year SJax outscored him Gore was 5th best. He's not "scraping" together anything IMO, he is a premier talent in the prime of his career.
You make excellent points, particularly on statistical performance.Still, I view Jackson's 1,400 rushing yard performance last year on a god-awful team as more impressive from an actual NFL performance standpoint than gore's roughly 1,000 yards rushing for each of the last three years. As you mention, part of the difference in net yearly performance is the fact that Jackson missed four games each in 2008 and 2007. The team's overall TD total didn't help his fantasy value either, but I don't think they'll be that bad forever.When he's in the game, you can count on him producing. He's averaged about 89 rushing yards per game over the last 3 years. Gore's last three years have been 74, 74, and 80. Overall, Jackson doesn't seem like a guy who's winding down to me, whereas Gore hasn't been dominant since 2006. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.As for injuries, again another good point that Jackson has missed more NFL games than Gore, and most of Gore's big injuries were quite a while ago. But (there's always a but), I personally tend to think knee reconstructions (which Gore has had several of) tend to reduce the life span of the joint. Every time you go in there to do something significant, that's just a little more creakiness a little earlier in the career. Jackson hasn't had anything like that. The scariest thing for him is the back.
 
I was subtracting the wrong numbers and thinking it was 12 + 4 months = 16 months. My bad. Still though, it's less than two years, and if you had to guess based on the way some folks portray the various ages involved, you'd think it was 5 years. That was my point.So if Sjax has 4 years left, ADP and MJD have six (give or take).
No worries, hope my response didn't sound harsh. Just typing quickly while pretending to work. :lmao:I'm with you on the broader point - 27 years isn't a death sentence, and SJax is a talented guy. My concern with him is that his team is in shambles, so by the time the are decent he's 28 or 29. By then, it's too late to sell. By keeping him (or trading for him) you are basically placing a bet that the Rams turn things around enough in 2010 that he is top-5 again.
I can't lie and say that exact scenario doesn't worry me. But like I said in another post, even WITH the nightmare situation, he's posted respectable numbers, so it won't take the Rams turning into the greatest show on turf again for there to be a significant improvement in Jackson's numbers relatively quickly.
 
Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.
Care to expand on this? I guess I would be surprised to see Gore in a RBBC. Why? Because he's their centerpiece and he's going to continue to get 250-300+ touches per year until the wheels fall off, which I suspect won't be for another 3+ years. This may very well get bumped in a week, but I find it crazy that the Niners would be openly expressing potential interest in Spiller if they were really, truly interested in him. This talk of a 3-headed RBBC with Gore, Coffee and Spiller is pure smokescreen IMO. One way or the other I don't care, as I own none of Gore, Coffee nor a high rookie pick. But I just don't see SF using a high pick on another running back.

 
Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.
Care to expand on this? I guess I would be surprised to see Gore in a RBBC. Why? Because he's their centerpiece and he's going to continue to get 250-300+ touches per year until the wheels fall off, which I suspect won't be for another 3+ years. This may very well get bumped in a week, but I find it crazy that the Niners would be openly expressing potential interest in Spiller if they were really, truly interested in him. This talk of a 3-headed RBBC with Gore, Coffee and Spiller is pure smokescreen IMO. One way or the other I don't care, as I own none of Gore, Coffee nor a high rookie pick. But I just don't see SF using a high pick on another running back.
I'd agree that Gore is more likely than Jackson to see a backfield companion simply because SFO is a more complete team than St. Louis is. There are certainly places that the 9ers can spends draft picks on, but if they invest in another RB its not going to be a huge sacrifice to another position. Assuming they ( like most NFL teams now) want a pair or trio of runners, its one of the last few pieces to the puzzle there. The Rams have so many holes that spending just about any pick on a RB when its their only position of strength is somewhat counter-intuitive.
 
Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.
Care to expand on this? I guess I would be surprised to see Gore in a RBBC. Why? Because he's their centerpiece and he's going to continue to get 250-300+ touches per year until the wheels fall off, which I suspect won't be for another 3+ years. This may very well get bumped in a week, but I find it crazy that the Niners would be openly expressing potential interest in Spiller if they were really, truly interested in him. This talk of a 3-headed RBBC with Gore, Coffee and Spiller is pure smokescreen IMO. One way or the other I don't care, as I own none of Gore, Coffee nor a high rookie pick. But I just don't see SF using a high pick on another running back.
Like I said, just a hunch - nothing real to back it up other than the rumors everyone has heard. And I wouldn't bet the farm it'll happen, just that I'd be a lot more surprised to see the Rams than the 9ers do it. But even on the centerpiece thing I'm not sure I agree. It is virtually unarguable that Jackson is the centerpiece of his team, but with the 9ers you could argue that Davis, and maybe Crabtree in the near future might be the highlighted guys.

You are right though, there is nothing REAL to base any of that on.

 
its not all about there age as some are pointing out.

Injury history and workload also are factors.

And like one other guy said....One BIG INJURY and his value is completely shot!

Thats my point of starting the thread....Now i do think Both Gore and Sjax are very productive moreso than you can get back in a trade right now.

Ive seen some horrible offers for Sjax and Turner to lead me to believe they may be already losing alot of dynasty value already. Sure they are ranked high by some staffers and even in F&L blog, but i see alot of guys would trade alot of lower ranked guys for these few guys.

 
I had both these guys as my starters last year in my league and I have moved both in 2 separate deals this off season. I thought their value had peaked so I wanted to maximize the value.

 
I had both these guys as my starters last year in my league and I have moved both in 2 separate deals this off season. I thought their value had peaked so I wanted to maximize the value.
...for?? :popcorn:
 
You make excellent points, particularly on statistical performance.Still, I view Jackson's 1,400 rushing yard performance last year on a god-awful team as more impressive from an actual NFL performance standpoint than gore's roughly 1,000 yards rushing for each of the last three years. As you mention, part of the difference in net yearly performance is the fact that Jackson missed four games each in 2008 and 2007. The team's overall TD total didn't help his fantasy value either, but I don't think they'll be that bad forever.When he's in the game, you can count on him producing. He's averaged about 89 rushing yards per game over the last 3 years. Gore's last three years have been 74, 74, and 80. Overall, Jackson doesn't seem like a guy who's winding down to me, whereas Gore hasn't been dominant since 2006. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.As for injuries, again another good point that Jackson has missed more NFL games than Gore, and most of Gore's big injuries were quite a while ago. But (there's always a but), I personally tend to think knee reconstructions (which Gore has had several of) tend to reduce the life span of the joint. Every time you go in there to do something significant, that's just a little more creakiness a little earlier in the career. Jackson hasn't had anything like that. The scariest thing for him is the back.
Jackson's performance might have been more impressive from an NFL standpoint... but Gore's was far more impressive from a fantasy standpoint. You keep mentioning the rushing yards, but when last I checked, receiving yards count the same. Gore's 109 yards per game last year were only slightly behind Jackson's 116 ypg, but Gore had 13 TDs in 14 games (a per-game scoring average Jackson has only touched once in his career), while Jackson had 4 TDs in 15 games. I don't know why you keep trying to minimize Gore's season last year. He was RB5 despite missing 2 games. He outscored Ray Rice in PPG by three quarters of a point... and that's despite the fact that in one of his games he got hurt on the very first carry and finished with just 4 yards. If you toss out that one game and just go by the 13 games where he received more than 1 carry, Gore scored 17.71 PPG, which ranks him THIRD, just behind Peterson (18.16), just ahead of MJD (17.03), and TWO POINTS ahead of Ray Rice (15.76). He was also FOUR AND A HALF POINTS PER GAME better than Steven Jackson.You want to talk about how Jackson produces when he's in the game? I'm with you 100%- go check out the Deangelo Williams vs. Steven Jackson thread last offseason and you'll see it's littered with posts where I defended SJax to the hilt. He's a stud... but so is Frank Gore. Over the last three years, SJax has scored 14.26 points per game. That's fantastic production when healthy. It's also only seven hundredths of a point more than Gore has scored per game over the same span- and if you discount the game where Gore got hurt on his very first carry, he's actually scored a quarter-point more per game than SJax over that span. If Jackson produces when he's healthy, then Gore does, too- and to the exact same degree.Gore was DOMINANT last season, scoring on par with Peterson and Jones-Drew on a per-game basis. And he's been consistently good since 2006, just like Jackson. He produces every bit as much as Jackson, he's just a lot less heralded because, as EBF is fond of saying, Jackson is more "freaky good" while Gore is more "sneaky good".As for reconstructive surgeries hampering Gore... a lot of times, knees are stronger after reconstructive surgery than they were before the surgery. If Gore hasn't shown ANY ill effects in over 5 years, then I think it's really silly to still keep holding those against him. Plenty of players have undergone reconstructive surgery on their knees and the stigma is gone within a year, but for some crazy reason, this whole "Gore is an injury risk" thing is still haunting him more than a half decade after his last major injury. If something were going to go wrong, it would have gone wrong by now. SJax is far and away the bigger risk right now, partly because he needs more touches to score his points (and every touch represents a chance to get hurt), and partly because he's the one currently nursing an injury.I love SJax. He's a stud. But let's give Gore his due, here. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how SJax could be rated above Gore in dynasty right now. And again, this is coming from one of the biggest SJax fans on the board. Gore's done the whole "stud RB carrying a terrible offense" thing just like SJax has ... but Gore's also now logged TWO YEARS as a fantasy uberstud compared to Jackson's 1, and Gore is healthier, has less mileage, and is playing in a better offense. His career ypc is a half yard better than Jackson's, and their receiving numbers are almost identical (3.1 r/g @ 8.2 ypr for Gore, 3.3 r/g @ 8.1 ypr for SJax).
 
To be perfectly honest, I don't know how SJax could be rated above Gore in dynasty right now. And again, this is coming from one of the biggest SJax fans on the board. Gore's done the whole "stud RB carrying a terrible offense" thing just like SJax has ... but Gore's also now logged TWO YEARS as a fantasy uberstud compared to Jackson's 1, and Gore is healthier, has less mileage, and is playing in a better offense.
While extreamly similar in value, I think currently Sjax has to get the edge due to speculation from what we are hearing from each team.STL has stated several times that they want to upgrade their backup Runningback.

With SF we have seen some rumors of them taking a change of pace back early in the draft.

SF is a solid enough team that they can afford to take a RB early enough. STL still has too many holes to address their RB2 need in the first several rounds of the draft. Even the thought of Gore losing a chunk of carries to a Spiller or Best has owners thinking twice about making a move for him.

As long as Jackson is healthy, I dont see any reason he wont see 350 touches again.

 
The age at which these guy's trade value drops off just keeps getting lower and lower. It used to be you could still move a 29 year old guy at decent value for the 1-2 years he had left. Then it was moving him at 28 before he hit that 29 year old barrier that meant he was a year or two out. Now we're actually talking about not only moving guys while they still have value, but ALREADY having them lost a lot of value at the age of......26.
Agreed. Each player has already lost his Elite Trade Value. It's a buyer's market for Jackson. I'd still look to acquire him, on the cheap, if I could, if the price was right, providing my team was a contender this year (it usually is, as I don't yet believe in rebuilding).
 
Well i pose this question as ive been offered these 2 guys in particular in a few leagues and have heard from others not wanting to trade for these types unless they was in win now mode. No they arent Westy/LT old by no means, but both have some worn some tread on them tires. I even find myself rather taking a chance on a younger up and comer over these types. Wonder more on there trade value than production. Ive seen the value slippin some already from just last year, so i wonder how much longer you guys think they holdpremium trade value?
I went in to this offseason toying with the idea of moving SJax. It just doesn't seem like he holds the elite value anymore. The majority of people see jackson as a solid tier 2 Dynasty running back right now. The Problem is that all the tier 1 guys (CJ, MJD, Rice, ADP, and Stewart) are all at least 2 years younger and hard enough to trade for as it is right now. So to get one of those guys an owner is giving up a stud back along with another feature player or pick. Trading for some of the backs in tier 2 is mostly just treading water if age is the primary factor in moving him. Turner, D Williams, Gore are all older. The low end tier 2 early tier 3 group of Mendenhall, Morano, Wells, Charles, Forte and McCoy is likely where an owner would need to be looking right now if they were serious about moving Jackson/Gore. The problem with this group is that most owners would probably only trade these guys strait up for Jackson or offer a low end prospect or pick to go along. As the Sjax owner, I personally wouldn't trade him strait up for Morano, Forte or McCoy and would have a hard time pulling the trigger on Mendy, Wells or Charles due to their limited track record. If you have the luxuary of moving either of these guys for a WR, you can probably get a nice return on that investment. However I cant see many owners being that stocked with RB talent to move a top 5 back for a WR/QB. Overall jackson seems like a hard guy to move right now. Any team in contention would be crazy to package him in a lesser player deal. Guy is just a flat out stud and I wouldn't be suprised to see a top 2-3 finish from him this season.
This is EXCELLENT posting, thank you Max Power. I laso have been toying with the idea of moving Jackson, but do not want to make the same mistake I did with Faulk years ago. I moved Faulk in his prime for nice prospects. Faulk had like 3 or 4 more great years and the prospects were out of the league in like 2 years. Sometimes it is best to hold and ride it out. Yes, I would have got nothing for Faulk if I held him, but I could have had two more titles I am sure.
I traded SJax a couple years ago because he always gets hurt. He plays for a bad team and is their only real option. Thi year if the ine improves would be a time to trade him in season when his value would be higher.
 
You make excellent points, particularly on statistical performance.Still, I view Jackson's 1,400 rushing yard performance last year on a god-awful team as more impressive from an actual NFL performance standpoint than gore's roughly 1,000 yards rushing for each of the last three years. As you mention, part of the difference in net yearly performance is the fact that Jackson missed four games each in 2008 and 2007. The team's overall TD total didn't help his fantasy value either, but I don't think they'll be that bad forever.When he's in the game, you can count on him producing. He's averaged about 89 rushing yards per game over the last 3 years. Gore's last three years have been 74, 74, and 80. Overall, Jackson doesn't seem like a guy who's winding down to me, whereas Gore hasn't been dominant since 2006. Also, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Gore end up in a semi-RBBC situation at some pint soon whereas I don't think that's likely for sJax. I think the Rams would love to drop his touches a bit, but more in a "let's get a better backup" way rather than a "let's put him in a committee" way. Just a hunch.As for injuries, again another good point that Jackson has missed more NFL games than Gore, and most of Gore's big injuries were quite a while ago. But (there's always a but), I personally tend to think knee reconstructions (which Gore has had several of) tend to reduce the life span of the joint. Every time you go in there to do something significant, that's just a little more creakiness a little earlier in the career. Jackson hasn't had anything like that. The scariest thing for him is the back.
Jackson's performance might have been more impressive from an NFL standpoint... but Gore's was far more impressive from a fantasy standpoint. You keep mentioning the rushing yards, but when last I checked, receiving yards count the same. Gore's 109 yards per game last year were only slightly behind Jackson's 116 ypg, but Gore had 13 TDs in 14 games (a per-game scoring average Jackson has only touched once in his career), while Jackson had 4 TDs in 15 games. I don't know why you keep trying to minimize Gore's season last year. He was RB5 despite missing 2 games. He outscored Ray Rice in PPG by three quarters of a point... and that's despite the fact that in one of his games he got hurt on the very first carry and finished with just 4 yards. If you toss out that one game and just go by the 13 games where he received more than 1 carry, Gore scored 17.71 PPG, which ranks him THIRD, just behind Peterson (18.16), just ahead of MJD (17.03), and TWO POINTS ahead of Ray Rice (15.76). He was also FOUR AND A HALF POINTS PER GAME better than Steven Jackson.You want to talk about how Jackson produces when he's in the game? I'm with you 100%- go check out the Deangelo Williams vs. Steven Jackson thread last offseason and you'll see it's littered with posts where I defended SJax to the hilt. He's a stud... but so is Frank Gore. Over the last three years, SJax has scored 14.26 points per game. That's fantastic production when healthy. It's also only seven hundredths of a point more than Gore has scored per game over the same span- and if you discount the game where Gore got hurt on his very first carry, he's actually scored a quarter-point more per game than SJax over that span. If Jackson produces when he's healthy, then Gore does, too- and to the exact same degree.Gore was DOMINANT last season, scoring on par with Peterson and Jones-Drew on a per-game basis. And he's been consistently good since 2006, just like Jackson. He produces every bit as much as Jackson, he's just a lot less heralded because, as EBF is fond of saying, Jackson is more "freaky good" while Gore is more "sneaky good".As for reconstructive surgeries hampering Gore... a lot of times, knees are stronger after reconstructive surgery than they were before the surgery. If Gore hasn't shown ANY ill effects in over 5 years, then I think it's really silly to still keep holding those against him. Plenty of players have undergone reconstructive surgery on their knees and the stigma is gone within a year, but for some crazy reason, this whole "Gore is an injury risk" thing is still haunting him more than a half decade after his last major injury. If something were going to go wrong, it would have gone wrong by now. SJax is far and away the bigger risk right now, partly because he needs more touches to score his points (and every touch represents a chance to get hurt), and partly because he's the one currently nursing an injury.I love SJax. He's a stud. But let's give Gore his due, here. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how SJax could be rated above Gore in dynasty right now. And again, this is coming from one of the biggest SJax fans on the board. Gore's done the whole "stud RB carrying a terrible offense" thing just like SJax has ... but Gore's also now logged TWO YEARS as a fantasy uberstud compared to Jackson's 1, and Gore is healthier, has less mileage, and is playing in a better offense. His career ypc is a half yard better than Jackson's, and their receiving numbers are almost identical (3.1 r/g @ 8.2 ypr for Gore, 3.3 r/g @ 8.1 ypr for SJax).
Again, excellent counterpoints. I could be a little biased because Gore is a guy I've avoided since he came in to the league.Fantasy points are the bottom line, so maybe I shouldn't disrespect Gore's 2009 - it was a good one, no doubt. I just get a little hesitant when a guy's production relies fairly heavily on TDs. Those tend to come and go depending on the year, whereas yards are a little more predictable. It's not like Gore's NOT getting yards, but TDs are what put him into the elite category in 2009.Also, to be clear, I don't know that I'd consider Gore to be particularly "injury prone" because of his reconstructions, but rather that the actual useful lifespan of those joints has been compromised. I don't have any statistical evidence to support that notion, but it makes sense to me. Guys just don't seem to last as long after major work like that.All in all though, you may be right, maybe there is not a ton of difference.
 
Fantasy points are the bottom line, so maybe I shouldn't disrespect Gore's 2009 - it was a good one, no doubt. I just get a little hesitant when a guy's production relies fairly heavily on TDs. Those tend to come and go depending on the year, whereas yards are a little more predictable. It's not like Gore's NOT getting yards, but TDs are what put him into the elite category in 2009.
Considering the offenses for the Rams and 49ers it seems that Gore will have much better chances at consistent TD production than Steven Jackson in the next few years. The 49ers have several weapons on offense right now and look to be hitting on all cylinders as soon as 2010. The Rams have just Jackson and will likely be breaking in a rookie QB.And, as has been pointed out, their yardage totals are nearly identical.

 
I had both these guys as my starters last year in my league and I have moved both in 2 separate deals this off season. I thought their value had peaked so I wanted to maximize the value.
...for?? :rolleyes:
No-PPRSJax and Roddy for Chris Johnson and LenDale White

Gore, Coffee, Beanie, Jennings, Finley for ADP, Mike Wallace, Celek, 1.5 and 3.5
Solid moves to make Chris Johnson and ADP your RB1/RB2 combo...
 
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This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.

The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.

It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

 
I just moved Turner and 1.11 for Beanie Breaston and 2011 1st
I don't know how scoring is structured in your league, but you couldn't move Turner + 1.11 for Beanie (himself) in any of the leagues I'm in, even the ones where I do not own him.......you got a helluva deal, IMO.
 
This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.
I agree with you 100% but I still wouldn't trade Wells for SJax. He is 5 years younger, 5 years less hurt, and just as talented. The only thing he isn't is proven. When you buy youth for youth's sake sometimes you get Kevin Smith or Matt Forte. But when you buy youth you think has elite talent, sometimes you get Chris Johnson or Ray Rice. No one is perfect at evaluating talent (in fantasy or even in the NFL) but if you don't trust your "I think this guy is going to be great" instinct, it's not worth playing dynasty.
 
I just moved Turner and 1.11 for Beanie Breaston and 2011 1st
I don't know how scoring is structured in your league, but you couldn't move Turner + 1.11 for Beanie (himself) in any of the leagues I'm in, even the ones where I do not own him.......you got a helluva deal, IMO.
I agree - though I can't say i'm playing with sharks either :goodposting: But people should know that while sharks looks a few years out and try to predict possible declines; Turner Gore Sjax etc are barely acquirable uberstuds in the eyes of many! So if you aren't swimming with all sharks, go out there and try to get some full value!
 
I've been offered Gore for my A Johnson straight up in my keeper league. It is close to a fair deal but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Opinions?

 
You have already begun losing value for these guys, lots of value IMO. Also what doesn't help is that you picked 2 injury prone RBs to discuss. Usually you could sell a 27 yr old RB for a good return... something like a top 3 rookie pick and mid-tier player. I think you'll be able to sell Peterson / Jones Drew / Johnson and still get a very good return in 2 seasons baring any type of crazy injury to either of them. But you know what; beginning next season their value will begin to drop a little because all 3 will be 26 in 2011. Once all 3 are 28 your better off just holding on to them for the last yrs.

Jackson and Gore are entering their 7th and 6th season and both have a lot of miles and a injury history so it shouldn't a surprise when other owners begin rejecting your trade offers to them. I think last yr would have been the right time to ship these guys away, 208 would have been a great time to move SJax when he was being Drafted in the top 3 of Start ups... did anyone actually think he would finish in the top 3 of RBs that yr?

Good FF Owners are aware of not only age but Mileage as well. Look at Portis, he had solid #s going into last season but you couldn't move him. Hell he was being drafted somewhere in the mid-rounds beginning in 08 when he was turning only 27!!!

DWill is going to turn 27, same age as Gore and Jackson but with a lot less mileage and less injury history.. so ofcourse his value is a lot more than the other 2. But I would say this is the last yr to get good value; especially after he had 2 good seasons. Even if he has another good season people are going to reply with "how long does he have".

Take the case of Shonn Greene, kid looked great when he touched the ball and hes in a great situation... what there not to like? He'll be 25 when the season starts. Hes like a new car, after you draft him this yr and drive him off the lot his value will begin falling.

A good rule of thumb is to beginning shipping the RBs out inbetween ages 26 - 27 to get a good return; the top guys who have no to little injury history can wait an extra yr but thats hit. Once an RB hits 28 on your roster I would just hold him unless you rebuilding... don't expect much in return though.

WRs I think you can get a good return inbetween ages 27 - 29.

 

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